#28 D1 Collegiate Wrestling Standup: works in Jiu Jitsu too
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a very advanced stand up. It was what Andy Seras taught while I was a D1 wrestler. It really takes into account all the fundamental principles of effectively getting off the bottom from worthy opponents. Practice this and you will not be held down. Do not stand up without hand control. You will get mat returned super hard. If you want to see a good mat return in action, check out Cayden Henschel’s channel. That kid has an excellent mat return. It’s going to win him a lot of matches.
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sooo much gold here for us jiu jitsu guys without any folkstyle or freestyle experience. thank you so much for this content. i really appreciate it. way better than danaher or any other jiu jitsu guy trying to peddle wrestling products.
Thank you man! I appreciate the support! I will never be able to coach Jiu Jitsu like John. It takes a lifetime of wrestling to really understand it. He spent his life on BJJ until recently. I spent my life on wrestling until recently.
Thank you sir thank you
Very good video. Standing up is very important to know. Unfortunately most bjj guys learn to pin themselves. That's why I think that collegiate/folkstyle is so good.
Would be great to see the Turn In variation as opposed to standing up! Really helpful videos.
I can make that for you! It’s got to warm up here
Saw your channel linked on Reddit, you’re doing incredible work. Have this sub sir, thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate your support!
dude your channel is awesome. keep up the videos.
Thank you for your support!
The fundamentals are amazing
Great stuff, thank you!
Thank you!
Are you familiar with Priit Mikhelson? His ideas about different forms of turtle are amazing, and it's all centered around the exact type of elbow position you are showing here. He often references Greco when he talks about handfighting from these positions in jiu jitsu. He has a series of what he calls "trenches": safe turtle positions that you can move through on bottom to stay safe, without giving up underhooks or being flattened out.
No, I haven’t, but I should check him out! Thanks!
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 I wonder if you'll like him because a lot of people say he's too passive and is ok with getting smashed
@@samsantos9260 I saw him rolling with Jordan. In training, if I have no worries about the person on top, I will take my time, but I am not that passive. However that might change with age. I’m 43 now and am in good shape, so I can still roll at like 65%-70% for a long time. But I gather that will change at some point. I don’t know if I’ll be that old guy who just gets smashed and you can’t submit, but that is sort of hilarious. We had an old blackbelt like that. He gave me hours on his back and I only submitted him twice. Lol
Priit and Ryan hall got me thinking about why we don't turn away to prevent the guard pass. Are jiujitsu guys actually good at attacking the back, or is it actually that they suck at defending the turtle so they seem good at attacking the back? Why are we accepting a pin and score from the guard pass over turning away and maybe giving up the back? One of those is passive and a definite, and one is active and you are still in the fight. I think some of the theory in jiujitsu is really unsound because there is a general lack of skill in key areas. Telles was turtling out successfully decades ago and he didn't even have the access to high level wrestling we do these days. Fighting off all fours is one of those skills that I think could have a profound effect on the direction of jiujitsu.
Yes, in a fight, both have issues. If you just want to lay there and let him punch you in the face, is that worse than getting hand control, so at least one hand is isolated, and get the fuck out of there? I would rather take my chances getting out of there then having my back on the mat and then the back of my head bounces off the ground with each punch. From a purely grappling perspective I do think we need legitimate bottom “turtle” defense for sure. I don’t have to stay down there with him and there are MANY options for reversal that we can use from scholastic wrestling
1:25 standing up
I have been working that hand control for the last few months. The experiment is simple. Get that hand control and then completely ignore attempts at my neck for chokes. So far no one has been able to control me or choke as long as i have that hand. The defensive power of that simple fundamental detail has changed a lot of how i defend on all fours. The d1 wrestler i work with a lot is recovering from a surgery, but when he comes back i asked if he would do some really fundamental defense with me. The more of this stuff I learn the harder it gets to hold me down and control me. I personally think that is more powerful than any technique, because it lets me chose where the match happens. I have been doing Jiujitsu for 16 years and this is the type of stuff i have been searching for!
Awesome man!! And that inside block with the elbow is equally important, because otherwise they can get inside and get a cross wrist. Now you are in trouble, have to free it up, block off the inside again and go.
The head shrug is also a favorite of mine.
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So effective against someone who can’t get inside that arm but is annoying good at holding you down or padlocking the ankle, like I show here.
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The defense of freeing the ankle to the headshrug is identical to how I do it with the head granby. Not everyone can or wants to do the granby, but everyone should be able to do the shrug
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 That is an offensive project on my part. I am going for the neck less, and getting control under the near arm for spiral, cross wrist, claw etc. Establish control and then choose an attack that will be much more successful, because I have a more dominant position. Defensively, everyone is always jumping for the neck so sealing off that near side is rarely a struggle. It is definitely in my mind though and something I want to build into habit. Not everyone will be a bad wrestler :P
No doubt. The athletes in BJJ are more than capable of being high level wrestlers. I have been able to take kids with limited athletic ability to state titles in a few years. That’s starting from nothing and then going to college on a wrestling scholarship. Wrestling really isn’t as scary as many people think. What happens is that the coaches who are teaching it don’t understand wrestling, so then the athletes run into lots of resistance and walk away thinking wrestling is just too hard so forget it. No, it’s because you are clueless because so is your coach. Lol! I can’t tell you how many comments I’ve read on Instagram of people saying how wrestling has no technique; it’s just athleticism and strength. Well, that person just outed themselves as someone who is clueless about how much technique there is. There’s always a more technical solution. Just like in BJJ, getting your guard back seems impossible at first. Then when you refine it, you realize that you were fighting yourself. I used to not be able to recover guard from side control and then realized I was pushing my knee into their lower back…yeah that’s not going to work Joe. Your knee isn’t a sword. Go around it, not through it. Lol
Every time you say “I can show you that too if you want to know,” just assume we want to know, cause we do LOL
Lol!
We do this in bjj, just starting from a tighter turtle position is all. The details here are better than we learned though.
Going to referee's position is one of the habits of wrestlers we have to break so they don't get choked. We always know a new person has wrestling experience when we teach a technique from turtle and they go to that position. Haha.
Yeah, I can tell when a whitebelt has wrestled, because the way that they move to turtle when you pass their guard is so predictable. If they were a legitimate wrestler, then they will do a good job of controlling your hands and blocking off the inside
Actually now that you mention it, if your opponent getting beating you to the inside off the whistle (getting on the inside of that near elbow) Seras’s advice was to ball up off the whistle until you could get the hands out, now fight to get your foot out front. The thing is that in wrestling, you better be damn quick with that, because refs hate that. They will hit you for stalling if they think you’re sandbagging down there. But a stall warning and then getting an escape still puts you up by a point. That can be the difference in victory or defeat. Everything matters at that level.
Ty. Will drill !
Problem in bjj is that by raising your far leg first, you make it easier to insert the near hook.
Same “problem” in wrestling. That hook is going to get caught by my arm that is pinned to my side and when he tries I go right to the head shrug and I am out. He has no upper body control as I have hand control on the far side and my shoulders get turned sideways so he is stretched out. He tries to put in that leg and he relinquishes what little control he had. Leg riding was not invented by BJJ guys. I would argue that folkstyle wrestling has much better top control and bottom escapes by a very very long measure
Thanks for the video! I've been taught to Granby from here but always preferred to stand up. I'm going to implement grip fighting before blasting up now 🥴
You need both. You need a good switch too. If I cover your hips well by parallel riding you, then your Granby is toast.
With Craig’s “just stand up” is that you can’t just frickin stand up against anyone who knows how to wrestle you down. Getting off the bottom position in collegiate wrestling is incredibly difficult. It’s the hardest part of high level scholastic wrestling.
Why can’t people just frickin stand up against Spencer Lee? Lol! Because you can’t man. Not when someone knows how to break you down. I saw some of Craig’s stand up, and I see why he does what he does…you will need to adopt a lot of bottom control and put your leg out farther in front like I show here. He has his leg close and that will get you driven over or in wrestling, get you cradled. I have seem some people use the cradle to set up knee bars and stuff. So all that has to be considered
“Learn it right and you’ll do it right the rest of your life. Learn it wrong, and you’ll spend the rest of your life trying to get it right.”
-J Robinson-
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 learned that the hard way last night. One of my partners wrestled in college and I kept getting slammed 😂
@@BjjDrillers well now you know at least, LOL!! It is important to learn the arts from people with legitimate experience in those arts.
Judo will definitely help you, and although I have done Judo, I don’t believe I’m qualified to teach it.
Same goes with BJJ. It’s literally the only martial art I do right now, but I teach wrestling on my channel for Jiu Jitsu-not classic Jiu Jitsu.
The wrestler in your gym will be able to teach you things you’ll never be able to learn from someone without that legitimate experience. End of story. Even Danaher’s wrestling instructionals are filled with low level errors. I just saw that new wave video come out, and John is teaching people to collar tie with the same arm of his lead leg. That’s literally a JV mistake. So that is where wrestling is right now in Jiu Jitsu. It is good that you are getting into it now and taking it seriously. Because in 5 years, you will see drastic improvements.
Not sure if this has been covered already, but what would be the best response to a jiujitsu player who will fall back down (and pin themselves) to try and get the 2 hooks and/or rear naked. That type of reaction would never make sense in folkstyle because they would be pinning themselves but it is a common response I get when I am using an escape where I am driving my bodyweight back into them. Appreciate the content I am steadily progressing through the series + drilling at open mat.
You have to use classic leg riding escapes. I really meant to record that on my channel and the instructional, but just didn’t have the time. You lean forward and choose a foot, put his foot on the mat, hop over it and go to the head shrug or turtle to get grips and stand up
in jiujitsu, when would you choose to go this technique instead of a head granby (since they seem to be responses to the same position)? is it if they haven’t locked their hands in a seatbelt yet?
Honestly, I find it is so easy to get out in Jiu Jitsu that I often just go to the head shrug in slow motion and then take their back with the “cop grip” that I show. If I were in a tournament and needed to get away because the person was tough, I might go to the stand up and then I could either take them down again if they engaged or just play in their open guard from space. I think it depends on a lot of things. If I knew they were good at getting hooks in, I would use the stand up and get out of there so they wouldn’t have a chance
what if they pull you backwards? you’re preventing them from pushing you forwards with your front foot but couldn’t they still pull you back (straight into back control if it’s bjj)?
What you are talking about is not specific to BJJ. Wrestlers want that control more than anything, but he won’t get there if I maintain my position.
First, I’ve got hand control and his other hand is blocked off. He has little power with that hand because of how I am rotating my shoulder sideways into his chest and elongating his arm. I keep my knees are close to my elbows and my back foot is under me in a solid base. If he tries to pull me back, he will put himself in a compromised position. He has no legs in, and has no inside control whatsoever. So, even if me managed to pull me back, which he won’t his hand under my control and the other side blocked off, I will keep my knees tight to my chest and when he goes to his back, I use basic wrestling leg riding defense to control his leg on the mat so he can’t get it in, and I can turn into him or go to the head shrug/granby. I haven’t posted the head shrug yet, but hopefully I will get it posted by tomorrow.
If you had a collegiate wrestler to train with, then let them do this position to you (they will understand the details) and you will feel just how hopeless you feel to control him.
If you notice in NCAA, it appears that the top man gives up and lets them go, but it’s because once they realize he’s got positional control, they’d rather give him a one point escape. This is because if they try to force the position, it will likely result in a reversal which is two points.
As always love your content, always good to get turtle tips as honestly BJJ turtle sucks atm, its slowly getting there though I think.
A question, do you ever step up with the close side leg? Ive seen it taught that way and hasnt ever worked for me.
Yeah, in HS I used that stand up and in college, I just found that guys were better at dropping down and lifting. I was going to show one from there. It’s less methodical than this one. The nice thing about this is that it really teaches concepts of blocking off inside control and then ties in well with my existing system
Man you need way more exposure.get yourself on the bjj podcasts, they would love to hear your point of view.
Hypothetical question, if you took a high level bjj black belt, how much time would you need to train him before he could win adcc?👍
Oh man, maybe never!! There are so many things to consider…athleticism, dedication, age, strength, endurance, openness to learning new things, preexisting injuries, etc.
I’ve only been posting videos for a few months and and happy with the rapid progress. I hope will be able to share my knowledge on a larger platform. About 10 years ago, I had a conversation with Andy Seras on the phone about a high level highschool student I was coaching at the time (who ended up winning several state titles and received a full ride to college), and Andy said to me “share the knowledge.” After getting to a good place in my career, and seeing a need for good wrestling in Jiu Jitsu, I started that process. If we continue on the same trajectory, we will have a much larger audience very soon. And it’s people like you who are the foundation of the following. Thank you for your support
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Hey mate, I would be happy to chat with you sometime on my podcast "The Sonny Brown Breakdown"!
@@SonnyBrown very cool!
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Are you at Eastern Michigan University? I think I can get an email from there?
@@SonnyBrown that’s me!
Can you address dealing with chokes when trying to stand?
I had a major knee operation a few months ago. I won’t be doing anything on the mat for a little bit. I might start off light soon, but nothing that requires a lot of movement from me. I cover how to deal with the seatbelt grip, which is the most common grip when transitioning to a RNC. If I am sealing off one side and hand control on the other
Sir please give me adice how I can win a tournement in two months from today, my entire family will be watching. I understand alot of wrestling and im very proficent in jajitsu. if you had to do a blue belt tournement in two months ow would you approach it. I feel like my entire life stands on the pillers of this tournement, everything i've worked for. How do I wrestle other blue belts down to the ground so they cannot attack me.
You can’t weigh your entire life on a single tournament. That would be my biggest piece of advice. Otherwise you will have too much adrenaline and will make simple mistakes.
Without seeing any of your training footage I can’t tell you what you need to work on. But trust in the fundamentals. Good stance, head position, and hand defense will frustrate people and get them out of position
Will you do more on standig up or not allowing the opponent to stand up?
Can you be more specific?
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 I didn't mean a specific technique. But I mean more techniques like this one. Like from other positions. If the oponent rides your leg to prevent you from standing up for example.
I am going to do some more escapes and rides. I have an instructional that I will be working on soon, so some shorter videos might come from that
in your other videos you frequently stress the importance of not stepping a leg to the outside when you have a bodylock, but it seems like that’s the exact position you’re putting yourself in at 7:12. is the reason that it’s okay in this context because your intention is to immediately lift (and therefore the window of opportunity for them to uchi mata/sagging headlock you is very narrow), or is it because your head is on the outside rather than the inside (which could prevent the uchi mata/headlock)? would you still use this mat return if your head was on the inside?
Yes, I have to lift him immediately. I go from the back to the side and hit him with my hips. This takes him off the ground. He is dangerous when his feet are on the ground, but not when they are in the air. He has no control with his arms either. The position I hate is when people come to the side to chase the back and he has an overhook. This is because there are a ton of highly effective throws from there. If in the process of me lifting he gets a whizzer back, I will likely drop in the crotch and lift him. But the technique I am doing here is tried and true wrestling. When done properly he doesn’t stand a chance of doing anything. People who stand around there for any length of time are asking for it, so you do it as he is standing up
@@josephbreza-grappling9459 Thank you! I was also wondering why you send him forwards onto his hands and knees instead of backwards onto his back from this position. since you’re perpendicular to him it seems like both directions would be equally viable, and surely putting him on his back would be more advantageous
Why are you putting your foot straight in front of you rather than forward and right a bit so that you can drive straight into him?
Because then it’s easier for him to switch that tight waist to and underhook and sucker drag me to my back. My shoulders turn so it’s in the center of his chest, which gives me some angle and makes me wider (like I show where he loses strength now). Also, when someone is driving forward. It’s hard enough to get it out front. You want to try as much as you can to get it in the middle instead of not all the way there, to help prevent the chop. With it in the middle I have maximum power of the brake to push back into him and use his drive forward to help me stand up