Vintage 4x4s on Logandale's Bronco Falls Trail
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2025
- WE take 4 classic 4x4s, 3 Willys and a Land Rover, on The Bronco Falls Trail in the Logandale, NV trail system during the Hump n Bump event 2024 put on by the Vegas Valley 4 Wheelers. Thanks to Jeff Petrowich and Jesse Combs for providing videos for this production.
This was such a great weekend. The cherry on top was when one of the guys at the Bronco Falls obstacle told me "You guys can't go up this" , referring to the "buggy line"..... Well, I just HAD to do it😊 Thanks for a great video!
It's amazing how far these flat fenders can go, and make it look easy, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Thanks Don.
you know theyre not stock right?
@flight2k5 well I don't see no 20 grand worth of 4 link suspension and 500 horse power engines, so ye they are pretty much standard 😅🤣 all the best
@@donaldhalls2189 still has lockers and modified suspension 🤣😂
@flight2k5 not all have lockers
Great video glad to see you added the winch might need to drag me out sometime I get a kick out of it when guys want you to modify grandpa’s jeep and your whole game is what can I do in grandpa’s jeep
Thank you brother.
Armchair wheelers are the best.
GREAT TO SEE IT BACK ON THE TRAIL
Timm on the party pedal at the end 🤘
Great videos, great rigs, great landscape, and your comments are great too! I thought I was a Land Rover adict and would never want anything other but watching you creates more and more the wish to own an old Willy’s flatfender 😅 thanks for all that videos! Greetings from Austria! Flo
Timm, your 88 SI is awesome would love to here what you optimized - think there is a Rover V8 in it, what gearbox do you use and how did you manage to get this super low gearing? Thanks, Flo - owner of 88 SIIa and 109 SIII SW 😉
@@fpglinko8156 I know some loyalists have a undying love affair with the "brand" , but the "Rover" V8 isn't true Rover, and it's the most over-rated piece of junk they ever re-purposed.... Led to more 1990's USA market Land Rovers getting scrapped.... The "Penalty Box" has an iron block truck version of the Chevy LS (Gen III) small block V8.
This 4.8 litre engine is mated to a Chevrolet SM420 four speed (7.06 1st gear) and aftermarket Orion 4:1 transfer case. The extreme low gearing of these units offsets the 3.50 ring and pinion ratio that I swapped into the original axles (along with air lockers and my own 32 spline shafts). Overall crawl ratio is 99:1, and she cruises at 2700 RPM at 70MPH on the interstate. It's just a personal thing, but I have always driven my rigs everywhere, never trailered, so they have to cruise at freeway speeds and be very reliable.
Also, one key element that people who swap that crappy "Rover" v8 into these ignore, is that the original 4 cylinder engines are extremely heavy.... This nose weight is a big part of what makes these good rock climbers, and they throw that away !! I am currently working on a plug-in over / underdrive (3 speed) unit for the Rover and Willys transfer cases to allow this kind of gearing in an otherwise stock vehicle.
@@fpglinko8156 No "Rover" V8 (That's a Buick anyhow) those are really fragile and no power, anyway. I swapped in an iron block Chevy LS truck engine (the 4.8 litre flavor) that makes a TON more power than a 4.6 litre Rover v8, while being a lot more reliable. One of the biggest advantages, though, is that it retained the nose heavy setup like the original 4 cylinder... those were heavy engines !! Maintaining the nose weight in these really helps the climbing. I run a Chevy SM420 4 speed transmission with 7.06 first gear, and a 4:1 Orion transfer case. I retained the original series I Land Rover front and rear axles , adding air lockers and made my own 1.400" 32 spline front and rear axle shafts, keeping the original semi-floating rear setup (it's stronger) 24 spline shafts just aren't strong enough... Ring and pinion ratio is 3.50 (28x8), overall crawl ratio is 99:1 and it cruises effortlessly at 70 mph on the interstate. Chassis and leaf springs are stock, but shocks are relocated with different mounts for better clearance and 9" travel shocks. It's a very simple vehicle, but it's very reliable and goes good.
Great trail and driving!
@@nealesmith1873 Thank you.
Thanks for the ride. I am still banging a way at my 3A good things take time I'll be out there some time. Paul
@@PaulA-yh7kr Good luck. Thanks for watching.
Thanks much Stan as always! Max
@@maxvanrunkle1052 Thank you.
"There you go. Just get to the top and regroup." 😂
By the way, nice winch!
@@maxvanrunkle1052 Thanks. It works pretty good.
It looked like beautiful country good weather. You might could use a phone mount when you’re driving and filming? Thanks Stan for taking us along
@timmcooper294 that final wall climb was Jedi level.
Yea, the big guys with the goatees sneered at our little rigs, and they needed an attitude adjustment. Jeff and Jesse passed on doing it in front of the crowd, but later decided to give it a try. Jeff had business to get back to, but Jesse and I went back on Sunday and we carefully walked it, picked the line and he did it in Brutus !!! Stan has more common sense and knows where to draw the line !! (Sometimes😉) I think next year Jesse and Jeff, along with me, will all do it together.
Looks like a big gearing difference between Bam Bam and Grandpaws Jeep. Being able to go SLOW but steady without constant clutching is a big advantage.
@@jshulch He has a truck 4 speed with the granny low 1st gear. I have lower than stock gears in my t-case, but I still have to slip the clutch sometimes.
I assumed you were running a granny 1st 4 speed as well? That makes your driving even more impressive!
I see you added a bumper weight😁
@@tecovas3998 Works pretty good for other stuff to.
Stan! What a treat to have a new video. Have you thought about putting a couple extra inches in lift in? It would have helped you in a few spots.
@@matthewb8229 I did add about an inch with shackles. I don’t want to go any higher. I think the downsides outweigh the upsides. Plus “run what you brung” is kinda my thing.
@@Grampas-jeep Fair enough!
I am positive that one of the reasons our little rigs climb walls so well is the lower center of gravity. The Penalty Box felt rock solid at the top of the last obstacle (nobody else climbed it other than the trail leader black JK Buggy) Grampas Jeep does things that most "experts" would say it couldn't, and I also feel the downsides of lifting outweigh the upsides on these little rigs.
I was thinking about the exact same thing last night about your “little” rigs. I’m going to try and get my running gear as level with the underside of my chassis as possible and then cut down a body lift so I only have half an inch of clearance above the gearbox. Bigger tyres are the only way to get more room under your diffs unless you are spending big money on portal axles.
@@pdv76 One thing that several of us have done is "streamline" the running gear / suspension, reducing hang-ups. I won't raise my drive train, as again, too many drawbacks. I like stock propshaft angles for durability / freedom from vibration and U-joint breakage. I built "rock ski" spring plates, and shaved the drain plugs off my differentials, which gained the same as 2" taller tires. Little things can make a big difference !! I draw the line on my own mods, requiring myself to keep the original axle assemblies, original type leaf springs and mounting points, and the 7.50-16 tire size, which was the largest factory available size during the era. The spirit of these rigs is to keep them simple and very stock appearing. That has its limitations, but I'm super happy with those limitations...... It's fun !!!
Great video Stan. I see you got the winch mounted. Did you stay with the 6 volt? You need to do a video on the whole winch build and install. Looks good!!
@@dtallbaldguy winch is 6 volt. instagram.com/reel/DCGLTsSxSes/?igsh=amgxdTIzZ2x5eTFs
Finally first comment! Thanks for another awesome video!!! ❤
Thanks for watching.
My CJ5 build is coming together, I am also going to try and make do with “Armstrong “ steering for a more authentic experience. It should be fun but I’m not sure if I have the confidence to do some of the stuff that you guys do? I love it when you and Jeff release new videos and look forward to many more!
@@pdv76Seat time builds confidence. We wouldn't have dreamed of trying some of this stuff years ago. You also have to build up a bit of immunity to banging up your rig if you want to take on the tougher obstacles.
@ I like your triple layered skid plate. I want to lift my engine and gearbox up as high as I can go as my exhaust hangs below the chassis and looks overly exposed. I’ve never built such a small 4x4 before so not sure what is possible with drive line angles etc? I don’t want to lift the CJ5 to keep as much stability as possible and will only be running 31” tyres as they are the cheapest option in Australia. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comments. I’m jealous of your group of friends that go 4wheeling together, my Jeep friends all run big V8 rigs on 37s with long arm suspension. Stay safe on the trails
@ The triple layer stock skid plates were way better than just one. I still managed to bend them on occasion. I’ve since gone to this one from Brendan’s Garage made out of kryptonite or something. Probably hard to get down under.
brennans-garage.com/collections/frontpage/products/willys-jeep-belly-pan-skidplate-in-1-4-ar400-material
All those high dollar custom jobs with all of the bling bling boulevard appeal....these low buck. Low tech. Heavy dutty antiques put them to shame....(and way cooler)....youth is wasted on the young!
Absolutely!