Expert Information From A HeatMaster Outdoor Wood Boiler Installer! -47
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- Take a tour through all the new 2022 models of HeatMaster outdoor wood boilers with an expert installer/dealer. Learn about HUGE government tax credits available currently. Decide if an OWB is right for your property.
Karl Schwingel
sustainableheatingwi@gmail.com
HTTPS://www.sustainableheatingwi.com
#firewood #Heatmaster #OWB #outdoorwoodboiler #fireplace
As a hydronics heating installer in PA I was ask to install 2 wood boilers this year. One was a Hyprotherm regular wood stove which clearly but confusingly said "Coal only" now I understand why. The second one was a gasification unit made by an Amish firm in Lancaster PA. The gasification unit was tied into a large shop radiant floor system and a home with convection heat. The "Coal" unit was tied into a hydrocoil on a ducted system and a indirect water heater. Both of these jobs led me to look deeper into these units. It appears the two best units available are the Heatmaster and the Polar. I use a quadrafire wood stove in my home for wood burning and a condensing lp boiler for the radiant floors. With a wood boiler I will be able to get the freedom of wood burning and still use my radiant floors. The idea of using a Lambda sensor for O2 is interesting as long as it is not troublesome and the unit can still be used if it fails. The use of ferritic 409 ss has proven itself in many condensing boilers and has me definitely leaning towards the Heatmaker. You are fortunate to have an installer that is well versed in hydronics as entering into this wood burning you find yourself many times in the middle of Newtonian physics and the Mother earth news lol Your man is correct about the air to water heat pumps, I was just in Atlanta for the ARH Expo and there are at least 7 manufacturers that have these units. They are monoblocked so they require no charging of refrigerant, you just set them and pipe them in with PEX. Their biggest problem is the max temp of 120 and that is pushing it. Again, an excellent video Tony, you obviously do a lot of research before you purchase equipment. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos.
I helped son put o
In the wood master last month. Both are nice units
That was well beyond my capabilities, I let the professionals put mine in . I’ve really enjoyed using the boiler these past 4 years. Thanks for watching and commenting.👍TCT
Nicely done, Tony.. Thanks for taking us on the field trip.. 😁👍
Daniel always great for you to join me on my journey. Thanks for always watching and commenting ! 👍TCT
Very informative and filled with valuable information! Thanks for taking the time and effort to get Carl on here and let us view this information. Another good one Tony ! 🪵🔥👍👏🇺🇸 Rick
Rick thanks for letting me know you found this info valuable. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Excellent video, Tony. Great explanations from Carl. I have the G7000 on order and it is supposed to be delivered in the next 10 days. So this video is especially helpful for me. Thanks so much! 👍
Wow Steve you’re right, that is great timing on this video. I’m sure you can’t wait, you’re going to have fun with it I’m sure.
Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Thank you for a very informative video on the new models. You both covered so much.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Having an expert who sells and installs these units makes a big difference with honest and accurate information.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great video Great information 👏 Thanks for sharing Tony 👍
Frank, glad you enjoyed my video and were able to take some info from it. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great job you two👍👍. That was the more informative video I've seen to date! Keep up the great work Toney and merry Christmas to you and your family 🎄
Really glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative. Carl is a wealth of knowledge about HVAC, Heat Pumps and Solar.
I appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great information Tony!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
David, glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great video. In the planning stages of a new house and shop. I will be putting in a wood boiler to heat both. This video really came in handy. Thanks for the work you put in to your videos.
My pleasure Sean, I’ve learned so much from TH-cam I’m just Passing it Forward. Glad you found it informative and will help during planning stages of your new house and workshop. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Very good informative production, good job.
Seems very intricate,complex and involved to a novice boiler newbie.
I thought you just fill a tank and toss logs.
But not the case.
Glad I watched.
If you spend a little time running good quality wood, and follow a few simple tips, it's not difficult.
Jean like the saying “we fear what we don’t understand “, the OWB isn’t that complicated and someone could learn quickly but there is definitely a learning curve. I was in you position 4 years ago saying this is too complicated but it truly isn’t. Appreciate you watching and commenting. 👍TCT
Hi Tony, thank you for this video, really interesting.
Thanks Adrian, appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Excellent video Tony! Lot of good information coming from someone who quite obviously knows wood boilers inside out! Keep up the good work! Len (Devon 🇬🇧)
Thanks Len, Karl really knows his stuff. Can’t wait to learn more about the new technology being used for heat pumps. Hopefully will have video in the future on that. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Wonderful interview Tony😊
Rick I had fun learning all the new innovations on Heatmaster wood boilers. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
Excellent vid Tony. We never stop learning. BTW, my plumber verified that running the circulation pump during the off season is recommended with the outdoor wood stoves. 😊
Glad you found my video informative, and thanks for confirming letting the circulation pump run all year is a good practice. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
I'll definitely be contacting him to talk more about a new boiler! I really like what I see in the new styles available now!! I am use to the old non gasification style like I use to have so it would be a big learner curve for me!! Stay safe my friend
Tim I’d take advantage of that 26% tax credit being offered now.
With all the wood you have it makes sense to own a OWB.
Appreciate you watching 👍TCT
Great review!
Geoff glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
👌Good info Tony.
Thanks Tony glad you enjoyed the video. Appreciate you watching 👍TCT
Great video!
Eric glad you enjoyed and found it informative. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍 TCT
Great video. I more and more convinced that the HeatMaster is the product I will go with when the time comes. Not dealers close by, possible I could be a dealing one day too. I have always been involved in the wood industry whether it's logging, sawing lumber, or processing firewood. God Bless!!
You definitely can’t go wrong with the Heatmaster brand, they seem to be on the cutting edge of the new gasification units out there.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great video. It would have been great to see their standard two pass models and their multi-fuel models as well.
Pete I’ll talk with Karl and see if we can make that happen. Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
hi there very interesting . thanks for this one . john
Thanks for watching John. 👍TCT
nice unit
Steve all the units were pretty neat, love the new innovations.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
This is a fascinating topic to me Tony. I’d love to have one, but the climate where I am in NC doesn’t justify the initial cost at this point. That might change!
Dick you’re right for a Woodhound like you having a OWB only makes sense if you live a bit further North. Now that I’ve used one for 4 years I wouldn’t go back to other heating method. Thanks for watching 👍TCT
Only way I could see it is if you have multiple building you want to heat that are big
Nice looking units there Tony. This industry is always innovating. I do have some questions/concerns…
1) How do you clean ash out of bottom of turbulators and back of secondary chamber? With multi passage refractory I see they took a page out of Woodgun boilers.
2) Stainless Steel for nozzle?? It’s hard for me to believe it holds up for a year or 2. 310 SS might last but I’d be skeptical. I looked into making a nozzle out of Inconel but never materialized.
3) 2 separate fresh air intake servos are a much better design. I always tell folks it’s like a cutting torch. Get pressures right at regulator (primary air) then balance the cutting flame with oxy/acety needle valves (secondary air).
3) I would like to see how these boilers would perform if they were charging a storage tank…just like the Europeans do. They are built damn near identical now. Having a boiler burn full tilt burns cleaner and more efficient. Same principle as generators and plane engines. I think US mfgs could meet even lower emission stds by doing this.
1: there are clean out tools, and they are designed to reach around and thru to grab ashes and pull them out.
2: it holds up. I have 2 seasons on mine and it is still sharp from the laser cutter. there is always a little air coming thru the bottom damper when the stove is running to keep it cool. I pulled it out this summer, and it's not even warped. they got that one just right!.
3: Yes.
4: being able to throttle heat production and having a 200 gallon buffer in the 7000 goes a long way toward making that stove not need storage. I used to install euro boilers (still do sometimes) that needed lots of storage, and indoor space. the G-series was the product that got me away from that mentality.
I’m going to let Karl address your questions since I don’t have the knowledge or background to do it. I’ve asked Karl to view comments and answer when he has a moment. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
@@karlschwingel9715 thanks for replying. Good to hear about the nozzle.
One major hurdle I see in these stand alone boilers be it gasser or non is the shoulder seasons and summer. Having a boiler with good insulated water storage is unaffected by extended warm weather. No worries about wood smoldering or relighting. I agree, storage takes up a lot of valuable space and even more so retrofitting into existing bldgs. If a person has the space or is building new I’d plan room for Garn boiler hands down. Im still curious to see how these boilers perform charging storage.
Good morning everyone
And a good morning to you as well. 👍TCT
Great video Tony.
Can you use the Firestarter chips that Outdoors with the Morgan's sell or any other brand that's available to start your fire 🔥?
Steve thanks for watching, I will have to try and find that video the Morgan’s put out since I’m not familiar with Firestarter Chips. 👍TCT
@@TonysCoolTools
OWTM fire starter is pinewood and soy wax. They would not hurt anything.
Great vid Tony! I would love to install an outdoor wood boiler to heat the garage and house. Do you have any idea on what the ballpark cost on an install of a 4k unit was? Just curious especially with the 26% tax credit. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻-TOA
It varies widely. basic install with good underground line is $4,000-5,000
Todd I will ask Karl, I’m sure Karl can quote the cost of the OWB but installation is the big question. Hopefully he responds soon.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Great video Tony! How many facecords of wood do you use in a heating season with one of these?
I estimate I go through 21 to 24 face cords or 7 to 8 “full cord” to heat my house and pole barn. Because my pole barn is so well insulated I only turn heat on when I’m working inside. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
@@TonysCoolTools how many 1/4 miles per quart of diesel do you use when driving your truck?, Lol
@@huckbeduck Unfortunately my Dodge Ram is gas not diesel.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Interesting that he shuts his unit down during the day. Is it oversized for what he is heating? I thought most people let them go once you light them for the season to prevent or decrease the thermal cycles which can be bad for stoves (excessive heating and cooling repeatedly). Not saying he is wrong by any means. Doesn't seem to be that cold there yet so maybe it is just a little early to be running it? Thanks for the look. I've always wanted a boiler. Just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I have a wood stove and a pellet stove..
It is oversized for this time of year and weather. I mostly run it this early so customers can come see it run, and to keep the semi tropical greenhouse happy in the chilly nights. But when it gets cold, It works hard, heating 3000sf house, 400 sf greenhouse, and 2000 sf of poorly insulated barn/shop.
Adam thanks for watching, I’m sure Karl will comment on why he runs his unit the way he does.
Appreciate you watching and commenting 👍TCT
@@TonysCoolTools
I am a total beginner. I infer that the air goes into the wood chamber and more air gets added as it all goes down to the bottom. From the bottom I infer it goes up into the top chamber and from there it is discharged.
@@jakebredthauer5100 Jake I’ll let Karl answer your question. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Please do the video on the hot water heat pump.
Lance when Karl told me heat pump technology has really improved I told him we would have to do a video on it. He also teaches heat pump and HVAC at the local college. Stay tuned I’ll se what I can do regarding that video.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Would love to have one, just can't justify the cost. The couple hundred dollars I spend to heat a year ( indoor woodstove), the payback would be close to a century.
No you are right, though OWB sounds great it definitely isn’t for everyone. Sounds like you have the right process for you specific situation.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
Tony. Do you know what the G 7000 cost. Thanks. Great video.
Eric I’ve asked Karl to answer the comments/questions about installation and unit cost. He mentioned he would answer questions when he had time.
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
you would want to contact your local heatmaster dealer.
Fascinating! As a New Jersey resident I do not believe that the outdoor boilers are legal.
Is anything legal in NJ anymore?
Washington state is the same when it comes to boilers..
I find it extremely interesting regarding rules and regulations for every state, city and township. It’s a shame you can’t take advantage of cheaper fuel costs. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
@@Gideon_Judges6 Sadly drug use and entry of illegal aliens seems fine by the politicians.
I like it…. What is the price for the G10000?
I will have to let Karl answer that question , but you may want to email him at:
sustainableheatingwi@gmail.com
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
I would like to know what the G 7000 cost to buy and an install cost
Brian I’ve asked Karl to address viewers questions on pricing. Unit cost is no big deal but installation varies for every situation. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT
I love innovation but I hate when my shit gets outdated
I agree with you 100% but I guess ours was the newest at one point😂
Thanks for watching 👍TCT
Why don't you show prrices ?
Will a load of wood last more than one day ?
I load my G200 about half full and it last a little more than 12 hrs.
Regarding price I would contact Karl at the web page listed below, there are many variables.
www.sustainableheatingwi.com/
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍TCT