During a Democratic primary debate in 1984, Gary Hart was criticized by some of his competitors for the nomination for not offering serious, substantive policy proposals.
I think the format back then, where they're just sitting on chairs near each other on a stage helped keep it more friendly. With the candidates standing far apart on podiums it's probably harder for them to relate to one another.
GingerGilligan he was right and wrong. The Soviets would have never done something like that. But in 1984 we couldn’t really imagine anyone else doing it either.
@@joerules829 Like Mondale just couldn't imagine any other enemies of the U.S. besides the Soviets, could he? The question was asked so *some* people must have been able to imagine it.
GingerGilligan I’m not saying Mondale was a genius. I’m just saying no one in 1984 thought it was plausible for anyone to intentionally fly a jet liner full of innocent people into a building. That’s where Chancellor was going with the question. But none of the candidates seemed to grasp it and he didn’t clarify what he meant.
@@GingerGilligan The question he was asked was implied to be in reference to the Soviet Union, since the plane in question was described as coming from Czechoslovakia, which as the guy asking the question pointed out, was a communist country. This isn't a question about a hijacked plane, as 9/11 was, it's a question about "is this or is this not a plane deliberately launched to attack the United States by communist forces?" Beyond that though, Mondale probably did the smart thing by trying to deflect from the question. If he did answer it, he could easily have given a dumb response like Hart did. If the question is one that you can't give a good answer to, or that you could give a better answer to by answering a different question, then don't answer the question. That's just good politics.
Update; Joe Gatto was found alive after 30 years trapped in a cave. He was wearing a shirt that said "I'm the beef," and asked if Mondale was reelected.
I once got into an elevator back in 1988 in Washington DC to find Walter Mondale in there with a very large guy that I assumed to be his body guard. And back in 2005, I was walking around town in Jasper, Alberta and walked right by Senator Hart... so this is a cool video for me to see of the two of them together. Love the friendly dialogue between the candidates. RIP Mr. Mondale.
Rest in peace. Thank you for your countless years of civil service, sir. I have an original campaign pin of his, 1984. He was an inspiration to us all!
Oh yeah, Mondale was a bright guy. A little too bright for a majority of the American people who didn't want any brainpower in the White House at the time.
I have never been a Democrat or even remotely to the left of center, but Mondale always struck me as a straight shooter and good overall guy. I felt bad for him when he got drafted to run for Wellstone’s seat after he died. I felt like after 1984 he was fine just being an elder statesman
Very clever knockout that’s worth a smile. Would’ve been way better for a Democrat to throw that at a Republican in a general election debate though. Very nice primary debate too. Love how everyone’s having fun. Sad to see how this political climate was compared to today’s. One thing I don’t understand is why these two clips are combined together.
The Democrats knew that perfectly well, but they also knew that Ronald reagan was invincible and that's why they decided to choose anyone to be sacrificed. The Democrats had Gary hart booked for 1988 where he was a sure win, but the Donna rice case made Gary hart unable to run and they had to settle for Michael dukakis.
Wow - interesting how 9/11 was brought up in the 1980's!!!! I wonder if he ever rethought his answer after the planes were hijacked and used as weapons
I agree, Mondale nailed it by calling out Chanceller with such a ridiculous senario that made absolutely no sense at all. Mondale added further it would have made no sense for the Russians to attack America with one 707 plane because as he said they would throw everything at us. Silly question
@@dp6297 Really? I think it is the same. A foreign enemy using a commercial-style aircraft to attack this country. If you asked Fritz about the probability of 9-11, he would give you an even more puzzling answer.
Marc Parella Well...it’s different in the fact that we have identified the plane in the first scenario with military jets already engaged with the target. That scenario did not happen on 9/11.
Ironside - Season 1 - Episode 2 - The Leaf in the Forest. The best hiding places are these . . . The best place for a book is the library. The best hiding place for a man - a city. The best hiding place for a leaf - the forest. Ancient Persian Proverb.
I have always felt that Hart should have responded to "Where's the beef?" by asking Mondale "where's the beef, with you?", someone who the voters had overwhelmingly rejected, (and again after this debate took place).
@@natethebluesman Right, they made a mistake by choosing Mondale as the nominee, that worthless old stooge, with OLD IDEAS. But alas, the American voter is so very astute (sarcasm).
@@natethebluesman No, I don't believe he was truly progressive. He was a product of special interests and also one of a dying breed of "New Deal" liberals which is primarily the reason why Dems were persistently losing elections for high office during that time.
Well, Nicky... you get what you pay for today. Politics in the day wasn't a spectator sport yet. People expecting politicians to answer questions without insults. Today we just have the insults.
1st of all. Stupid question from the moderator. Even if it's just hypothetical. Czechoslovakia was occupied by Soviets and communist countries since the revolution in 1968. No one, from our country would attack the USA, even despite the fact, we got no support in 1968 to beat the real comunim and establish a democracy. Why would soviet union send heavy militarily to such a small satelite country and occupy it till 89? It was a message, the US and the western democratic countries missed the chance to influence the Central Europe after the ww2 and show what values really matter. Sad, but true.
Former astronaut (and at the time, Ohio Senator) John Glenn. As for the comment by Mondale, it's safe to say it was all downhill for him after that crack.
Hart wasn't without solid ideas, his written work reflected that. Unfortunately he fell prey to the Kennedy comparisons while on the presidential trail. I often wonder if that Donna Rice lady wasn't an opo plant.
Why can't debates be like this today?
Look how much fun they’re having, even as they debate ideology and serious questions. So different than presidential debates today.
I think the format back then, where they're just sitting on chairs near each other on a stage helped keep it more friendly. With the candidates standing far apart on podiums it's probably harder for them to relate to one another.
This way way before the the lunatic fringe took over the democrat party. The democrats at that time weren’t anti American jackasses.
@@nictheperson6709 dont get to Nice on eachother. Good point
The laughter for “sleeping in the White House” at the beginning of the question is contagious
Let's not forget that Lisa Simpson of Springfield, Oregon was born the next day on March 12th, 1984.
cripplehawk She’d be 36 by now! (as of 05/13/2020)
36 years and hasnt aged a bit. Literally
'No wonder he won MN!' LOL
9-11-01 proved that a civilian plane full of passengers could be a military threat of huge proportions.
Mondale was not very prescient, was he?
GingerGilligan he was right and wrong. The Soviets would have never done something like that. But in 1984 we couldn’t really imagine anyone else doing it either.
@@joerules829 Like Mondale just couldn't imagine any other enemies of the U.S. besides the Soviets, could he? The question was asked so *some* people must have been able to imagine it.
GingerGilligan I’m not saying Mondale was a genius. I’m just saying no one in 1984 thought it was plausible for anyone to intentionally fly a jet liner full of innocent people into a building. That’s where Chancellor was going with the question. But none of the candidates seemed to grasp it and he didn’t clarify what he meant.
@@GingerGilligan The question he was asked was implied to be in reference to the Soviet Union, since the plane in question was described as coming from Czechoslovakia, which as the guy asking the question pointed out, was a communist country. This isn't a question about a hijacked plane, as 9/11 was, it's a question about "is this or is this not a plane deliberately launched to attack the United States by communist forces?"
Beyond that though, Mondale probably did the smart thing by trying to deflect from the question. If he did answer it, he could easily have given a dumb response like Hart did. If the question is one that you can't give a good answer to, or that you could give a better answer to by answering a different question, then don't answer the question. That's just good politics.
40 years ago, this event happened when Walter Mondale heard Gary Hart's "new ideas" and reminded them of the "Where's the beef?" ad.
Update; Joe Gatto was found alive after 30 years trapped in a cave. He was wearing a shirt that said "I'm the beef," and asked if Mondale was reelected.
Which is funny because 30 years ago from that movie mondale had been out of office for 39 years
I once got into an elevator back in 1988 in Washington DC to find Walter Mondale in there with a very large guy that I assumed to be his body guard. And back in 2005, I was walking around town in Jasper, Alberta and walked right by Senator Hart... so this is a cool video for me to see of the two of them together. Love the friendly dialogue between the candidates. RIP Mr. Mondale.
That's incredible. It really is a pretty small world sometimes haha
Rest in peace. Thank you for your countless years of civil service, sir. I have an original campaign pin of his, 1984. He was an inspiration to us all!
Still the best use of a meme in a political campaign ever.
Rest in peace, sir.
wow, what a difference between this and what happened yesterday in Ohio
R.I.P walter mondale
Damn for all the hype Reegan gets for zinging Mondale in their debate, good old Mondale pulled some good ones in this one.
Mondale had friendly fire, and only friendly fire on that year
Oh yeah, Mondale was a bright guy. A little too bright for a majority of the American people who didn't want any brainpower in the White House at the time.
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 The American people actually quite liked Mondale, at least during Carter's presidency. They just loved Reagan more.
I have never been a Democrat or even remotely to the left of center, but Mondale always struck me as a straight shooter and good overall guy. I felt bad for him when he got drafted to run for Wellstone’s seat after he died. I felt like after 1984 he was fine just being an elder statesman
“Wait a minute, he’s gonna tell you where the beef is”. 😂. I’m done.
It's UNDER the pickle.
Hart lost because he couldn't effectively respond to "where is the beef"? If this were Trump, he would say "I have a very huge beef right here"
Xdxd....come and get it...xd
yet another tragic result of politics being reduced to sound bytes and just another form of entertainment
I have a beautiful beef, I mean, a perfect beef. A lot of people don't know that.
Walter Mondale cited a Wendy's commercial at Gary Hart. Think about that.
I like this clip. Its a real conversation, not some puerile shouting match.
Yes, a reference to the then-current Wendy's Hamburgers commercial. But in 1988, the question about Hart was, "Where's the brains?"
In Hart's pants, apparently.
Rest In Peace Mr. Mondale
If it hadn't been for the Donna rice case, in 1988 Gary hart would have been President
Very clever knockout that’s worth a smile. Would’ve been way better for a Democrat to throw that at a Republican in a general election debate though. Very nice primary debate too. Love how everyone’s having fun. Sad to see how this political climate was compared to today’s. One thing I don’t understand is why these two clips are combined together.
Came back here after hearing about his death. RIP
Well Gary Hart was more qualified in my opinion.
No disrespect meant towards the late VP Walter Mondale.
The Democrats knew that perfectly well, but they also knew that Ronald reagan was invincible and that's why they decided to choose anyone to be sacrificed. The Democrats had Gary hart booked for 1988 where he was a sure win, but the Donna rice case made Gary hart unable to run and they had to settle for Michael dukakis.
No wonder he won Minnesota
Barely.
3:10 you're welcome!
Man, you can tell this was before 9/11...
Hard to believe this is a debate
Rest In Peace Vice President Mondale
That catchphrase was popular back then and it was used in the Wendy's hamburger commercials with a elderly woman named Clara Peller
RIP Mondale
Wow - interesting how 9/11 was brought up in the 1980's!!!! I wonder if he ever rethought his answer after the planes were hijacked and used as weapons
LOL on him using that phrase for his response. So civilized. Members of both parties were much more civil toward each other back then.
Gary Hart would have only lost 48 states in November.
Colorado and what else?
We sure let our politicians in the past get away with these canned lines. We still do as a matter of fact.
1:34
What are the odds a Civilian airliner commits an act of war?
*9/11/2001.*
Fritz really wanted to use that line. He had it all ready and Hart kept talking but he finally got it out.
I would go back to sleep. We’re in 2021.
It's refreshing hearing a dumb question called out. I liked John Chancellor a lot, but that was a kooky scenario.
I agree, Mondale nailed it by calling out Chanceller with such a ridiculous senario that made absolutely no sense at all. Mondale added further it would have made no sense for the Russians to attack America with one 707 plane because as he said they would throw everything at us. Silly question
Starsky and Hutch Season 2.
Episode 1 and 2.
January 22, 1977 and January 29, 1977.
The Setup.
Ironside - The Leaf in the Forest.
@3:33 What are the odds, Fritz? Wait another 17 years... you'll get your answer.
Completely different scenario
@@dp6297 Really? I think it is the same. A foreign enemy using a commercial-style aircraft to attack this country. If you asked Fritz about the probability of 9-11, he would give you an even more puzzling answer.
Marc Parella Well...it’s different in the fact that we have identified the plane in the first scenario with military jets already engaged with the target. That scenario did not happen on 9/11.
@@dp6297 I don't think that fact will convince Fritz Mondale that this scenario is any more likely.
Marc Parella Just admit they are two different scenarios....if you can’t then so be it.
Ironside - Season 1 - Episode 2 - The Leaf in the Forest.
The best hiding places are these . . .
The best place for a book is the library.
The best hiding place for a man - a city.
The best hiding place for a leaf - the forest.
Ancient Persian Proverb.
No wonder they lost
I have always felt that Hart should have responded to "Where's the beef?" by asking Mondale "where's the beef, with you?", someone who the voters had overwhelmingly rejected, (and again after this debate took place).
they made a mistake
@@natethebluesman Right, they made a mistake by choosing Mondale as the nominee, that worthless old stooge, with OLD IDEAS. But alas, the American voter is so very astute (sarcasm).
mezchr wasnt mondale a progressive?
@@natethebluesman No, I don't believe he was truly progressive. He was a product of special interests and also one of a dying breed of "New Deal" liberals which is primarily the reason why Dems were persistently losing elections for high office during that time.
Hart was actually beating Mondale though. Both before and after this statement. However, Hart's own monkey business costed him in the election.
Jesse Jackson came out the best in these exchanges simply by not opening his mouth.
i thought it was meant to be 3 am in the white house not 2 am
"nuevo libro de Gonzalez: aclamado"
In the age of Trump, all these old debates are so boring in comparison.
BORING YES, BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE CIVILIZED COMPARED TO NOW A DAYS !!!!
GOD I MISS THE DAYS BEFORE SEPT 11 2001!!!!
Well, Nicky... you get what you pay for today. Politics in the day wasn't a spectator sport yet. People expecting politicians to answer questions without insults. Today we just have the insults.
yeah cuz they were actually debates. not playdates between preschoolers that hate eachother
Where’s the Beff
Well this didn't age well, probably all these guys died before 9/11
1st of all. Stupid question from the moderator. Even if it's just hypothetical. Czechoslovakia was occupied by Soviets and communist countries since the revolution in 1968. No one, from our country would attack the USA, even despite the fact, we got no support in 1968 to beat the real comunim and establish a democracy. Why would soviet union send heavy militarily to such a small satelite country and occupy it till 89? It was a message, the US and the western democratic countries missed the chance to influence the Central Europe after the ww2 and show what values really matter. Sad, but true.
What about 9/11?
Oh this is where wendys got it form gotcha
Nuevo libro de González? Creí que no te gustaba!
jajaja claro, pero es que no habia leído la crítica
Speech
Way before 9 eleven, mentally
Who was that funny bald guy teasing Gary hart?
Former astronaut (and at the time, Ohio Senator) John Glenn.
As for the comment by Mondale, it's safe to say it was all downhill for him after that crack.
John Glenn
HRTVFan2 RIP :(
HRTVFan2 I just realized how good Ed Harris was at playing him in The Right Stuff
7/11???
And then 9/11
He a Sell out.
🤣😁
Hart wasn't without solid ideas, his written work reflected that. Unfortunately he fell prey to the Kennedy comparisons while on the presidential trail. I often wonder if that Donna Rice lady wasn't an opo plant.
Look kids. These are moderate democrats
RIP Mondale