Why I fell for Wim Hof and Andrew Huberman
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There's no way I'll ever read your books.
@@digital_intel Are the books about Wim Hof? It is not a rhetorical question, I dont know.
Stop idolizing these people and you won’t be disappointed. They’re human. Just like all of us. Nobody is perfect. We all have things in our lives that we aren’t happy about. We all make mistakes. We all have done things we would be mortified if the public knew. If you don’t, you’re lying.
Those are all fair observations.
Most adult men don't "idolize" another man. Many of us including the video poster have gotten benefits from huberman's podcasts. no one cares what he does in his private life. it should not take away from his science. this character assassination is irrelevant to his work. we don't care about what he does or doesn't do with women. it's his life and he isn't breaking the law. I will however forever be greatful to huberman for introducing me to cold plunge/sauna and the methodologies and timing on how to use for maximal benefit.
I was Asked to Be Civil And Respectful in this comment.
So I was asked not to be honest about a disgrace of a human being 😅
I’m a huge skeptic and still fell for Huberman. It was the Stanford pedigree, his seemingly humble nature, his seeming focus on and dedication to real science. He never brags about himself, he doesn’t make it all about him, he listens well to his guests. He has a lot of self-awareness and thus was able to create this humble, science-focused character.
After a while I started noticing that his podcasts were getting way too long, he was getting really deep in the weeds of stuff outside his expertise, and that all these protocols were impossible to follow all at once. Some of the stuff he was saying just sounded too far-fetched. It was just too much, and that’s when I started to wonder about him. That and his friendship with Lex Fridman was a huge red flag. Then he went on Jordan Peterson’s podcast - another huge red flag. I’ve been done with him for a year and in that year heard rumblings of his shoddy science and tendency to exaggerate.
I was really shocked by the article. I figured he was a bit off but I never would have imagined all this.
I guess even the biggest skeptics are susceptible to these people who are expert manipulators. Have compassion for yourself, Scott.
thanks
What's wrong with Lex Fridman?
@@minahana1112 Everything
@@SuperFilmregisseur well can you be more specific? I'm really curious
@@minahana1112 actually I can't. You won
I appreciate your commitment to honesty and having an open mind!
Thanks for showing up here.
@@sgcarney 👍🏻 I’m in a similar place, teaching health practices that are often used to trick the public. It’s why I teach for free, to avoid those conflicts that you mentioned! There’s a treasure here, if you disentangle it from the BS!!
🙏 keep going brother!
Don't pay attention to individuals, pay attention to the information they offer and whether or not it is valid or useful based on your own judgement. Keep your sources of information broad and don't take anyone seriously. There's a high likelihood they are wrong, lying or exaggeration their expertise. Don't over commit your resources (time, money and energy) to any particular individual or they will inevitably gain control of you.
You're the master of yourself. You decide what comes in what goes out.
Well said. This one comment is way better than this whole video. He could have saved himself the time.
Scott. Do you still do the wim hof method why or why not?
I hadn’t done it but one thing I stumbled across looking at stuff on tinnitus were a whole slew of people whose tinnitus had come from doing win hof breathing. So I decided to never do it because I already have tinnitus. Just consider that if you do the breathing. Hope that’s helpful.
I was in on it back in 2014, early adopter. But the weird thing was, I could never graduate very far with the cold exposure times (but got great benefits from the breathing and ending all showers on cold). Every single time I slowwwly tried with actual cold dips, I’d get super sick. Like, worst flu of your life sick. So, I finally had to let it go. I was heavily into looking for tips on the wim Facebook group, and most definitely can confirm what the other person here said…lots of people reported either worsening tinnitus, or actually getting it from starting whm. Finally heard enough warnings too about those who are hypothyroid should not do the cold training (and that was me too), that I actually began to worry I’d do myself harm if I kept trying. So, breathing great. Cold, only for some, and for others it truly aggravated a condition. And in the end, the weirdo cult like fighting on the Facebook group during Covid meant I couldn’t ditch it fast enough!
@@tnijoo5109 yeah, it's really strange, but for some reason holding your breath a long time gets your ears to start ringing. I noticed it several times. I wonder if people who developed eternal tinnitus just did way beyond the 3 or 4 rounds typical in WHM. I know they do prolonged breathwork during the in-person retreats with Wim, but I personally get bored after 15-20 minutes. I'm not going to keep doing breathwork for an hour to get some sort of effect somewhat similar to LSD. I already did plenty of LSD and got bored of it.
How are you still talking about Huberman? This is becoming embarrassing... well... it's been embarrassing, but now it's out of control.
Tune in for more updates next week.
That’s growth! Good for you. I think as we move forward it’s becoming more crucial that we take a moment to really get a feel for someone, check in on your instincts and intuition. Even if you have no physical evidence, just trust yourself. Can you believe I actually felt bad at one point for not liking Huberman? So many people like him and live by what he says, I kept trying to force myself to watch his videos but every time alarm bells would go off in my stomach, like something is just not right about this guy. Then the article came out, then after I dug into it more I found more scientists and doctors who had made videos months back debunking his science. Now I know just to listen and trust myself with or without proof.
The haters are going to hate. Plain and simple. You dug into what? Have you ever met and shook Hubermans hand?
this!!!! Twice I've had SAME intuitive negative reaction against someone who was revered in my friend group. And both times, I was proven correct when horrible things happened approx two years later. Taught me, I can definitely trust my instincts on people. Regarding AH, I watched maybe 20 of his early vids, but then drifted away as he started blowing up. Not a coincidence
Rough times, excellent honesty, well articulated. thank you.
Cold exposure and WH breathing technique has worked wonders for me.
Thank you for your honesty! Really appreciated. I agree that taking sponsorships and promoting products is a conflict of interest. Very cool that you choose to make your income on social media through your books.
Thank you for sharing vulnerably, for honesty and integrity! Those are the most valued things.
Thank you for this Scott. I began listening to Huberman Lab in Nov 2021, and have listened to nearly every episode. I have taken a lot from them, however as the years progressed and Huberman's fame grew I have become uneasy with the direction this podcast is going in. Before I get to that, there are a few things that always bothered me about him, which I mention here because I have not come across others saying these things and they are worth thinking about now, given all the recent goings on:
-His exceptionalism is everywhere! If you start listening for it you will hear it all over his show. Some are silly things along the lines of (throughout I am paraphrasing) 'I love blueberries more than anybody'. But many are darker: 'A thing nobody gets is....', 'what people don't understand', 'What nobody realizes is...' etc. Why are you assuming your listeners are so uneducated? Why do you think you are the only holder of knowledge? 'When I studied, I would read the text, then underline it, and highlight it, I mean I really studied hard'. Hello? This is not exceptional, this is how anyone with a serious academic mindset studies. And my personal favorite 'I really hate bug bites, I mean I really hate them.' No kidding!
Why does this matter? Because he seems to be going through life thinking that he is living on some higher plane than the rest of us, where his likes and dislikes are greater, more telling, more meaningful than ours, and his knowledge is above others. There is moral fallout from this.
-He frequently will talk about people "dissolving in a puddle of their own tears". He seems obsessed with this idea of weakness, can't hide his disdain for it. But why? Why perseverate on "weakness"? Why keep bringing it up? We are all human, we all have strengths and weaknesses, good moments and bad, why is he so hung up on this concept? I suspect it's a outgrowth of his exceptionalism. He's up here and the losers are dissolving into puddles of their own tears down below. Maybe he needs to learn that having a good cry can be therapeutic, and that tears are not always a sign of weakness or something to fear.
-He makes a lot of faux-contrite statements such as (again, I'm paraphrasing): 'Lord knows I'm not perfect', 'I have many flaws'. He talks about praying to God to be better. [Side note: He's been bringing God up a lot more in recent podcasts, that's part of the directional shift of his content.] Knowing what we know now, the self-deprecation seems highly manipulative. Allowing your partner(s) to think you are monogamous, and thus getting to have unprotected sex with them and others is pure evil. I came of age in the time of HIV/AIDS. Perhaps his younger fans don't understand how truly reprehensible his actions are. You are playing with people's lives. To say things like 'gee shucks I've got flaws' is a clever way to disarm the listener. We are sympathetic to someone who admits to flaws. We naively assume, because of his honesty, that he his speaking about the kind of garden-variety flaws that we all have, not that he is grossly lying and manipulating people and playing with their lives. I do not know a single woman who would have unsafe sex with her partner if she knew they were not monogamous. Maybe I'm showing my age (52), but that's just a hard no.
-Huberman has an unsettling view of women and romantic relationships that he shares with his great friend Lex Fridman. They often wax on about finding love, how they want to start families. Lex will go on about trust being all important. They idealize love, and the perfect woman, in a manner that a) explains why they have not yet created families of their own and b) comes across as misogynist. Stop seeing women as "the other", stop fantasizing about some teenage bro idea of being in a relationship. Start seeing individual women as the people that they are (human, real, wonderful and flawed- all of us) and then perhaps you may find real love. And stop being so paranoid about trust!!! Then again, if you are a serial cheater, maybe you think everyone else lies. That must be a hard way to go through life. Now I'm digressing.
As for the direction Huberman Lab has been going in. You talk about this in this video, so I won't go long here. Just wanted to say that as his popularity grew I watched him veering further away from science and more into the toxic Bro podcast space. All those navy seals and ultra-marathoners. Maybe he's just following the money, but he's a fool if he thinks we don't notice. He is increasingly grasping at straws, trying to get his guests to formulate "protocols" out of their research. I understand the appeal of codifying things, it can give us something to follow that may be beneficial. But to my mind he is trying harder and harder to package bunk as "science" to keep it on brand, when it clearly is not.
-And finally, could he, Lex, et al please stop thinking that because they are experts in one area it makes them qualified to aver on everything. Listen to Lex's latest interview with Elon Musk if you want an example of how dangerous and ridiculous this can get. Elon gets talking about China's history at one point; it's all said with assurance but he's just flat-out wrong about the facts. It goes back to the exceptionalism: they are like little kids who think their success in one area has magically made them all-knowing and given them the right to expound on all things, and that's dangerous and should be called out.
Thank you for reading.
Not many people are willing to admit their mistakes in public in the way you just did. I Much respect to you.
Thanks for being here.
I agree! That's the mark of being a good journalist. Glad your voice is out there
Re your comments on friendship: real friends behave like friends, and we get to choose our friends - we continue to choose them based on their behaviour, actions, values. We have every right - and are correct - to rescind our friendship if a person shows themselves to be not a good person, treats us badly or treats others badly, and is unrepentant. Friendship IS conditional. It's about our integrity to ourselves as well as to others.
exactly.
Great video Scott. Everything you are saying about conflicts of interest makes sense. And although I'm sad to see your wedge workshops go, that also makes sense... and I wonder if maybe you can do something with it in another way?
So glad to hear that someone else was thinking along similar lines. I initially listened to him because of his Stanford pedigree, his down to earth nature and the fact that he was talking about interesting subjects in a knowledgeable way but gradually fell out of love with him when he started pontificating at great length about subjects he wasn’t an expert in, (2 or 3 hours’ worth - it really sounded like bamboozling, not science communication!) and those embarrassing adverts really put me off. Stopped listening to him last year and was a bit mystified that the longer the videos, the more people seemed to like him.
Also people are adults Scott-when you find that perfect guru who is never wrong and adults who never make bad decisions, let us know !!
Congrats on discovering baseline ethics. Give yourself a gold star.
This is a good question Scott…
In regards to WH and Hooberman or whoever else I certainly don’t think that the baby should be thrown out with the bath water (it doesn’t seem to me you’re saying that either) however, we should be aware that the water is dirty and that the baby needs a check up and possibly antibiotics. Reporting on these things is important.
Thank you for your vulnerability and for your work. I first learned from you that hyperventilation and cold plunge don’t belong together. Lots of my WH friends weren’t aware of the danger either despite having done WH courses. Maybe nothing would’ve happened but maybe you saved lives, who knows. Thanks for your efforts, I can’t imagine what it takes to speak up publicly about wrongdoings of famous people with guru status (who you once endorsed on top of it all). It’s refreshing to see people with integrity in this era of moral relativism.
Now I feel sorry for the baby 😢
I think science is the baby and people like Huberman who misrepresent it and make unfounded claims for profit are the bathwater.
I would feel bad for him if not for the fact qualified people have been politely fact checking him for years and he ignores them and never corrects his many many errors.
Wim Hof himself even tells you to not do the breathing method when you're going to do cold exposure in the tank... like everybody knows the risk of passing out, so why would everyone talk about it as if he's promoting doing both of the same time...
@@dickdilligaf9240 no he doesn’t. Maybe in his latest interviews, I don’t know but wherever I listened to him he never once mentioned it. On one podcast the podcaster (I don’t remember who, I listened to so many with WH) said they do hyperventilating before going into water bc it feels easier to handle freezing water and he didn’t say that there’s anything wrong with it. I had his app where I did intro course where you increase cold exposure little by little and nothing about shallow water black out was mentioned there. Obviously it’s not common knowledge if so many people have died of it. I certainly didn’t know and I’m not a dummy. I’m not saying that WH method doesn’t work nor am I saying that WH is a bad man but informing practitioners about dangers is certainly not what Wim was doing. If he’s more careful now, awesome.
Thanks Scott! Nobody could have said it better!! 👍 And as the proverb says "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Thanks once more! Good work!! 👍👍👍🙏
Thank you for having the courage to share what you've learned painful experiences. I appreciate your commitment to journalistic integrity and ethics. I do not have money, but I always engage, comment, share, etc!
I just added a link to this vid to a blog post I wrote yesterday about times I've been fooled--even though I'm an educator who teaches critical thinking/rhetoric!
And let me reiterate: Zelph on the Shelf (exMormon commentary/humor) yters reacted to the fall of AH as his fans the other day. You can watch Tanner's POV shift and his disappointment grow as the veil is lifted. Like you, he rejects the bro code for truth. I'd love to see a collab between your 2 channels!
Be well. Thanks for your service to The People.
thanks for being here.
Scott, I have commented on some of your posts with exactly this. I don’t say this to pat myself on the back. I am saying this because what you yourself are doing is fueling that feedback loop. Where is your cut off when your own success requires you to continue to push the narrative - the algorithm is going to require it at some point.
The pattern of this medium driven phenomena has caused me to question / be sceptical of everyone who has success in the health and wellness space, but also the growing subset of ‘purist scientists’ (for lack of better term) who are gaining momentum with their pseudo moralistic messaging. Make no mistake about it, if you and Dr. Love do not acknowledge you are capitalizing on the current appetite the public has to hammer down on those trapped in the pattern you describe in this video, then you will be those very same people when the algorithm requires you aren’t 100% true to yourself either. You are not infallible.
You can't unring a bell! It seems as soon as the bell rings for you, you have a consciousness that kicks in, and then you act accordingly in a manner that is right and just. This manner can only be based upon what you know at that time. I think the same is true for most people of good and morals and values. Keep moving forward, keep doing good work, and make adjustments and corrections along the way as necessary to continue the work and your purpose. What is wtong with that? Nothing at all, this is the point of learning and growing, and how we do so. Admit wrongdoings, apologize and accept them, learn the lessons, and get better and better each time. This is wisdom. Ok, I need to listen to my own self here lol!
Scott, utmost respect for you and your work #realjournalism.
You deserve a lot more credit than your followers reflect here.
Keep at it, the truth ALWAYS prevails. 👍🏼
I appreciate that!
Scott Carney Thanks for the honesty
I loved your books, you tried your best.
Like Jordan Peterson, , I like Huberman when he stays in his lane. The problem is the need to produce content, both to stay relevant and for profit, which dilutes the product. I don't need 2-3 hours of Hubeman a week...there's way to much overlap and redundancy.
As someone who's studied psychology.. I'm not sure JP has a lane. Maybe very very specifically Jung. Freud and Jung aren't part of psychology anymore, just its history. And I've heard Jung scholars say he gets Jung wrong.
He says random things about mental health and addiction which are not based in evidence or in any hypothesis from modern psychology. He says some stuff from psych 101 that's correct, but peppers it with random opinions and doesn't tell you when he's veering into unfounded stuff
@@therabbithat Surely you aren’t discrediting his tenure as a professor? That would reflect more poorly in his employer at the time than on him. Maybe he wasn’t the best psyche prof out there, but he was a professional with the appropriate credentials. Let’s not be dismissive of that. Since then he’s been given a platform to express his opinion on a wide range of things. Who wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to monetize their opinions? I don’t take his opinions as gospel, but I surely do consider them. Why not? He’s intelligent, educated and experienced. Doesn’t mean he’s always right, but at least he’s not afraid to put it out there.
…and that’s not mentioning his vast experience as a clinician.
Do you still do breathing techniques and cold baths/showers at all? Its helped me for a year, but I'm unsure of long term things. It helps me with anxiety and overthinking.
Yea. Still do all the time.
@@sgcarney Thank you for the response. I really appreciate it.
People want if not gurus and masters, then authorities. It's like putting face on a "magic pill ". Distill what works and move on without expecting humans to be perfect. In Wims case I would say showing him to be himself would have been better strategy, showing that even normal (flawed and suffering) person can get a control of himself.
Thank you
Oh, that's such an interesting and relevant topic! And I highly respect you to talk about it, for sharing your truth and sensing what are the right consequences for you to take. Thank you so much for it! I can imagine how hard it might be to realize that one fell for someone who lost their way due too much popularity, expectations, money and so on.
Looking at myself, I know how wonderful it was for me to find Ann Weiser Cornell and Inner Relationship Focusing and have this feeling of... finally finding the answers I was so desperately looking for... And to me, it's still the real thing, because I spent so much time with Ann and she's... real. And it's a really powerful method...
And still... looking up to her as an idol, doesn't feel like.a healthy thing to do for me and it's not fair to her, either. And while practicing Focusing changed my life and still does and I love to share and teach it... I don't want to people blindly believe in it. Just because it's working for me and the people I know in this community doesn't mean it works for everyone. And that's okay. It doesn't matter if you do Focusing, journalling, talking to a very good friend, go to therapy or don't even emotional self-care at all, as long as it's what you consciously choose to do.
And still, this seams to be what many people are looking for. Something to believe in. A god, a famous scientist, an idol, a method of any form... maybe because it makes us feel safe and giving us a sense of clarity in a scary and confusing world...
No wonder...
What just came while I was outside... Setting aside Andrew Huberman and Wim Hof... Working at a University (I studied German linguistics and worked there afterwards) made me very disillusioned about Science in general. There was so much pressure to publish articles and show up at important conferences... and that did something with us. The demand for new findings was much higher than the reality and I've been at conferences in talks with cool sounding titles - just to find out that they didn't even begin the research, it was just a 'that's what we want to do'.
Also, the statistics guy of our department did a study on several articles, finding out that the statistics in most of them (I don't recall the exact number - it's been years ago - but I remember how impressive high it was) was full of errors. And no wonder, unless those scientists in the Psychology department, we Linguists didn't have any statistics training, so most of us had no idea what we were doing. (In German there's a saying: 'Don't trust a statistics you didn't fake yourself.' and yes, that's also there, because if your study isn't successful, there might be no further funding and no chance to publish those articles, so the temptation to play around with the numbers a little bit is high).
So you have papers that were generated under immense pressure, including all these statistics problems and then comes the media that flattens the complexity of the findings to make flashy articles for the general public...
And I don't want to blame any of them. Not the scientists under pressure, not the journalists, not the public. The system, as flawed as it is, it makes sense. And yet, I wish that we would speak about all of this more... So thank you again for this chance to think and write about it.
Groupies will always get their hearts broken by the rockstar.
This is what happens when journalists w/ no medical or scientific background write about science & healthcare… if you had that background I’m sure you would have had more discernment
I have a degree in medical anthropology.
What does that tatoo say on your hand?
Hanuz Dilli Dur Aast
@@sgcarney What is Dilli? It is still far...
I ❤buying your books 🎉
“Faire du bois de chauffage à partir de l'arbre tombé”.
Everybody makes mistakes, the ability to take on new information, change your opinion, and acknowledge your mistakes is the best we can do.
8:00 u would love to be there u are trying to get there actually right now. U are the one who is talking without evidence from jealousy. Gimme a good example of Andrew talking without evidence and saying that its 100%
My job is to lay out the evidence in the way I have in the various videos and with fact-checked journalism. My duty is to the truth, not to changing the minds of people who can't accept facts.
Hi Scott! I wonder if you are planning to put together any supplementary material for the wedge with this in mind, like just a list of things to think about or if something has turned out to not be founded in science. Would really appreciate it as I’m starting to read it now
I am going to do som updates to WDKU and probably the Wedge, too.
Thanks for being brave enough to do this series Scott. Regarding health journalism, would you also be able to delve deeper into the current topic of the airborne thing that cannot be mentioned (it rhymes with MARS-Trove-2), which most people now believe is over and done with? For example, anti-masking rhetoric has reached all-time highs, and plenty in the healthy profession (including at top levels) are in denial about the risks of airborne transmission (it's astounding how many places including hospitals often have no regard at all for this anymore despite the numbers of vulnerable patients and visitors and risks of transmission). Interestingly also, after 4 years of denial by the WHO, they've finally properly acknowledged that the thing that cannot be mentioned is airborne.
All the long-term risks (which I'll call "long c") need to be regarded a lot more seriously as it continues to silently decimate workforces around the world. There is plenty of evidence published in reputable journals like The Lancet, Nature, etc, along with thousands of other papers - risks that governments and medical/media personalities don't wish to acknowledge due to perceived risks to the economy (I would have thought good health would lead to a good economy but what would I know). So instead, they push for unproven hypotheses such as so-called hybrid immunity (which doesn't explain why things like EBV reactivation, tuberculosis and shingles is happening), along with other dangerous ideas - much like what Huberman has been suggesting in relation to avoiding such illnesses.
For an example of the disparity, note how different Australia's lackadaisical approach has become (you might be shocked at some of Dr John Gerrard's recent/continuing remarks on this topic) compared to Germany's health minister. This topic is something that apparently very few in media wish to touch upon - it's bizarre; and I dare say, corrupted by personal wealth and social ladder ambitions.
Can’t blame gurus. People CHOOSE mentors, not the other way around.
I've always been impressed with Wim Hof.
I dont think you are saying anything. What's your point in all this? Do you have a conceived notion that people deify Hof and Huberman?
It seems like you're trying to discredit them for baseless reasons. Their personal lives have no bearing on whether or not their teachings are true or not, and you've only given one vague reference to am article that supposedly disproves something.
Do you just dislike that they make money? Do you make money on TH-cam?
Yes. I’m concerned they’ve been deified.
Commitment to the truth!
That's the guiding star. 🌟⭐️
It's just too bad that I have to keep recalibrating where the truth actually is.
@@sgcarney We all have to do that, and it is actually hard work. A mature person does the work and can admit, that they made a mistake. That's the best we can hope for in any person. Congrats on your courage!
Hi Scott, I hope this is the right place to ask you this. I read your book 'The Wedge', and your experience that happened at the yoga class with Elisabeth Lee made me jealous. Yes, jealous.🥰 I also want to experience it. Now, I've been doing the Wim Hof breathing for around 2 years. My longest breath hold is just about 2 minutes. (I lost 14 kg but I'm still 30 kg overweight, still keeping a strict diet. Back when I was heavier, my breath hold was just a minute after the 3rd round, so I see a correlation between weight and breath hold). What can I do to experience it? Does it happen to you often or only once in a blue moon?
And secondly, under techniques, you described the tools for DMT breathing. I tried it but didn't feel 'high'. Is there a breathing technique (I don't mind if it takes 40-60 minutes) to feel high naturally for like an hour as if you smoked a joint? Thanks a lot.
Try breathing a little slower and do about 200 breaths (while lying down) then do the hold and push. See what happens.
Thanks
Integrity may not pay as much, but at least you can sleep well each night. Though TH-cam decided to play me a supplement advert half way through 😂
LMAO, really? What supplement am I unintentionally shilling?
HUELs daily greens, which ironically i think is like a British rival to AG1. I do watch a bit of “dairy of a ceo” with Steven Bartlett who is always pushing it, someone else with a conflict of interest, as he’s a director in the company.
There is nothing wrong with making mistakes in life, but refusing to correct your mistakes is the issue, you are a better person to stand up and say I was wrong and here is why.
Thank you
Just continue be calm. and enjoy yourself and do what you really want to do
I've watched this video three times (you're welcome! 😊), but most of this video seems to be:
. explaining why OTHER people fell for these phonies (which was interesting),
. how you became skeptical of them (also interesting)
. explaining how you're going to avoid conflicts of interest in the future (laudable).
But you barely grapple with how and why YOU fell for these guys. I've been watching you, off and on, for a while and I really wanted to hear a bit more introspection on that topic. There are lots of videos on TH-cam speculating about why people fall for cults and scams etc, but not much is expressed in the first person. I was hoping for a bit more introspection in this one.
Tbh this is really hard, in terms of pinpointing the specifics. If we knew at the time when we were falling for stuff, we'd know. I'm trying to write something right now about being caught up in a separate unrelated thing and then realising I was wrong and all I remember are the feelings... It's hard!
@@meretriciousinsolent that's a fair comment - introspection is hard, especially when trying to recapture states of mind from the past that one has now rejected. I'm not expecting him to have realised why he feel for them at the time he fell for them, but this video is made with the advantage of hindsight, and the title of the video led me to expect a bit more introspection.
I love to see you practicing what you preach. Science has no room for celebrity.
You make a very interesting point: someone can be very charismatic when they are in a positive or even manic phase, but that isn't all of them. I teach at a university, and if I am well-rested and excited about the material, I can give a good impression,
but my family knows I am more complicated than that! A popular singer or musician, a psychiatrist, a professor, a movie star,
a politician, a guru all should know these dangers very well, and worst of all that they themselves can get sucked into thinking they actually are that image. For example, a great martial arts or meditation teacher may only truly be "great" when they are in front of the group. Enlightenment in general is only temporary: it is of this moment and can be washed away in the next if
we are not attentive. So it is a mistake by students or followers to attribute that "enlightenment" to the personality. There may be rare exceptions, like Buddha or Jesus, who are enlightened so deeply that they manifest that nearly all the time. For the rest of us, it is a constant practice, a constant discipline, and a challenge to be constantly "woken up" by our own flaws and also by the necessity of helping others in need. It seems to me that for YT influencers there are two huge additional dangers: the addiction to money and power driven by the demands of "the algorithm", and the fact that one naturally edits videos to only show the "great" part.
the only book that people read was the one about wim hof ..... and this is how you treat him lol
Hey look, an example of the toxic loyalty mindset that Scott just described in the video!
@@oaschbeidl you sound pretty toxic yourself… takes one to know one as they say lol
I take it you didn't watch the video and/or didn't understand my comment.
When yoga was the cure all for everything claim. Many yoga teachers would warn there students that yoga is not a panacea. I think that is the word your describing for the win off and Huberman methods. They are not Panaceas. I mean come now all physical therapists use ice and ice baths for certain issues. We are looking for natural methods for self empowered ways to heal and have a pain free life outside of pharmaceutical medicine. Scott this a great video we need truthful seekers and like you we are all learning on this life path.
Thanks for watching.
When the body is healing it tells you to slow down. It's sore. Ice works by stopping that process so you can give it your all. It's great before a competition, it's a terrible idea to do it regularly as it prevents recovery and muscle growth from happening during that "sore" process
This is why physios use a cool spray on the pitch during a soccer game but never when you go to see them in clinic with an injury
They'll also use it to give you a break from chronic pain, or when the healing process is going overboard like in an autoimmune condition
Worth mentioning (has not been brought up yet) , animal testing pertaining to AH.
There is an article called "The Psychopathology of Animal Researcher."
The way we treat animals is the way we treat people.
Sidney Ross Singer 2019
Thank you for your work Scott!
Good point
I knew this at 3 years old, but it's nice to see some research on it.
im contemplating if i should be supportive of animal research, can you tell me exactly what article you meant with the psychopathology of animal researchers?
We have this fallacy, I don't know if it has a name, so I gave a name. I call it the A-hole fallacy. People can be revolutionary in some aspects, even change the world. But this doesn't mean they weren't A-holes, and being an A-hole doesn't take away from the magnitude or veracity of their accomplishment even if it's not pallatable to our sensibilities. And it also doesn't mean that they were RIGHT all the time. Newton was an alchemist, Steve Jobs was a toxic boss, Edison was a gigantic pr!ck. Wim Hoff may be crazy, and many of his methods dangerous. But cold plunge therapy is back in the zeitgeist and it does seem to have a lot of positive health effects. Huberman always rubbed me the wrong way as a person, but he also has some decent podcasts about cannabis and psilocybin that are exhaustive and pretty good. He's wrong about some things, but wild podcasting success tends to steer people off course sooner or later. Joe Rogan has had some great guests, but he's often laughably wrong about things too. Just sayin.' Can't wait to hear what Carney says, my dude who shovels snow in his skivvies.
Newton was notoriously unpleasant.
Its nice to see another sensible human, thank you for your beautiful brain.
@@HikarusVibrator You shouldn't do the breathing right before swimming, especially holding your breath under the water. Some people have blacked out in the water and drowned! I don't know how much time one should wait. I'm just guessing 10 minutes is enough.
Like the Turing test. Mister Turing as a horrible criminal who did time, but that's all ignored now.
What did he say about psilocybin
This rationality helped me on the channel I'm not going to make.
Thanks
Thanks!
You’ve always been my favorite journalist. You had me worried for a minute. But after watching this I am so relieved. And so impressed. Someone once said something like: The most important truths are often paradoxical. Love you, Scott.
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Is your Tatu is in Arabic? what does it says?
Farsi. It says "Delhi is far still away." Hanuz dilli dur aast.
You haven't debunked anything.
You also are not acknowledging the truth in Hunermans claims. You are being faithless and biased.
Do more thinking before making these videos.
sounds like you didn't listen to what I was saying.
Dopamine if i could pack it in a diet i would .
Seems like Carney has got some disappointment with Daddy issues. Or maybe just some jealousy $ issues. Life coaches (surrogate daddys are trapped by the projection to some degree) always get distorted by the clientele/fan base. The ole guru hustle. So what ! ? They often have their willing groupie circles.
I did not understand this comment so I put it into Google's AI to rephrase it into intelligible english. This is the result:
Here's a rephrased version of the comment that's more clear and avoids potentially insensitive terms:
Original: Seems like Carney has got some disappointment with Daddy issues. Or maybe just some jealousy $ issues. Life coaches (surrogate daddys are trapped by the projection to some degree) always get distorted by the clientele/fan base. The ole guru hustle. So what ! ? They often have their willing groupie circles.
Rephrased:
It seems Carney might be feeling some dissatisfaction, possibly related to their father or financial situation. Life coaches can be influenced by their clients or fans, which can sometimes be seen as manipulative. However, they often build a loyal following.
Changes made:
Removed "Daddy issues" - This term can be dismissive and disrespectful.
Replaced "$ issues" with "financial situation" - More clear and avoids speculation.
Replaced "surrogate daddys" with "life coaches" - More neutral term.
Replaced "distorted" with "influenced" - Less judgmental.
Replaced "The ole guru hustle" with "seen as manipulative" - More specific and avoids negativity.
Removed "So what ! ?" - Unnecessary and adds negativity.
I hope this is helpful!
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There are so many parallels between this and people who initially think gender ideology is based in reality. I know that's not your area and it's often a risky career move to dive into (and full of its own shouters on both sides, which makes it a tumultuous space) but if you have the time/headspace to get stuck into it and make the comparison between this and the medicalisation of gender ID - particularly in the US - it all looks like the same pattern repeating. It makes me wonder why we're still like this. We don't seem to be able to evolve to critically think quickly, as a species. (I don't know what that would entail tbh!)
"It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation." - Herman Melville
I dislike Huberman as well, but don't let him drown your channel in monotony. Don't lose what made your channel special.
This is a reply I gave to someone but I wanted it to be in the main replies as well. Stop caring about "pedigree". Look, the only case in which "pedigree" is a huge deal is when you have someone who is a complete blind follower. This is what the whole social system wants you to be. Get your news from the professionals. Get your medical advise from the professionals. Outsource everything. But we are now living in an age of information, in which ignorance is a choice. You don't need to "trust" anyone. Do your own research. Don't outsource your health. If Huberman says something that is empirically incorrect, don't do it. Take what he says that is good. Are you that much of a blind follower that you have to completely stay away from all of someone's output because of one mistake? YOU and YOU alone are responsible for the information you act on.
And Huberman is responsible for his actions, too.
I thought Stanford put out a statement saying his lab is fully operational.
As I understand it, Stanford said that the lab was not currently functional as it was moving from one building to another. Meanwhile people who used to work at the lab said it hadn't been active for a very long time and didn't believe it was starting up again.
10:00 actually he says that in almost every video (when its the case)
btw im pretty sure Huberman has read more scientific articles on neuroscience than you and Dr. Love combined...
Read =/= understood
Have you read any of the studies Hubermam cites? Because none of the ones I've read say what he says they say. It's almost like he just reads the title and if it has a relevant keyword he cites it. They often contradict his claims, so he is counting on you to be impressed and intimidated by citations and not read them I guess.
@@therabbithat I don’t think Huberman tries to talk over his audience. He’s a teacher …not a Nobel prize scientist. Like if I was struggling in an introduction class to neuroscience, I think Huberman could explain it pretty well. I’m sure even Scott and Love learned from him (but don’t want to admit the crush they have). And still bet he reads at least one scientific study a day. Do you people think they just let anyone be a professor at Stanford 😂
And just a question how many articles did you read? I read none … but hoping you could explain it better than Huberman, after that’s why I’m here, to learn just everyone else.
I’m getting strong “Narcissists duking it out” vibes here. Not saying that everything you bring up won’t play out in the end (you might be 100% correct and fully justified in being this…LOUD…about it?). BUT, something about the way you are delivering this has me ALSO scratching my head over YOU.
And I even followed similar trajectory to yours with them: I was early WHM adopter (2014/15), and early fan of Huberman (pre fame). Left both for same reasons (wim making too many claims and not being safe or humble enough, and Huberman began to feel like more of a narcissistic money grab than good science)….but I still get the heebie jeebies off you AS WELL, guy! 😂 You seem weirdly over animated in your wanting to be distanced from them.
Sorry, but that’s the truth. Something is amiss here and I can’t put my finger on it yet.
But I highly suspect it has a dollar sign stamped on it for you as well.
Why do you call him Hooberman?
I've always called him that and it is incorrect, just a bad pattern that I haven't been able to break.
People who will watch 327 Amber Heard takedown videos in a row are enraged that Joe Neurogan is getting consecutive videos.
that is accurate.
'It's not that I loved Huberman less, it's that I loved truth more.'
That's oddly sweet.
Who are you?
I would say you didn’t fall for anything… these guys opened our minds to this type of wellness to explore. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that - if you let them control your life and followed them off a cliff, sure, but use it as needed!
I agree that the 20% can be dangerous, look at Joe Rogan - it’s insane the 180 degree heal turn he’s taken with such bad information, but I don’t view Wim or Huberman in that same light. Wim is a bit more aggressive but Huberman is always just giving you the science / research and never really forces stuff upon you. Again, nothing like Joe Rogan who knows everything and demands you dress the same, think the same, and act the same
"Making money pushing this stuff is a conflict of interest, which I won’t be apart of anymore… However… " ***proceeds to list all the ways you can pay him directly instead of through affiliations***
Exactly. If you want independent journalism then it has to be supported by viewers. I don’t have a trust fund.
You might have your own opinions about Wim Hoff, but his technique comes from a great line of Tibetan monks who would make their bodies produce steam by itself. The method is called Tummo and I don’t think it should be discredited just because of its modern interpretations. Cheers
The WHM has nothing to do with tummo. The methods are actually opposite to one another.
The path that most influencer eventually go down is all the same. Huberman as well.
bro, it's obvious from your mannerisms, gestures and manner of speaking that you're troubled by something (or a number of things). No shame but I hope you're able to work through it. Take a moment to reflect on your obsessions.
Is that a diagnosis? What's your basis for that?
@@sgcarneyhe probably watched a huberman video
7:53 Carney Lab struck my funnybone
Why would a journalist need to put Andrew Huberman down for just encouraging people to get sunlight, breathe well, use natural remedies. His techniques and videos are helping people tremendously. Especially after the lockdown and imprisonment that the matrix has held people inside their homes for months and affecting negatively people’s mental health on the entire globe.
Big pharma is already loosing so much from Huberman s advices.
If Big Pharma is not financing this attack on Huberman, then please get a life, you don’t need to search for validation from people over your honesty. You don’t need to put someone down or gossip about if someone use to be an alcoholic or has mental issues, instead of applauding for him bcz he overcame his addiction.
I support your idea regarding the danger of cold bath for people with heart or lipidic problems. But to put Huberman in the same basket, and lead this propaganda against him is very exaggerated and this is not right at all 😉.
Why do people fall for david letterman for 20yrs?
Because you are a sincere seeker. Take what is good, discard what is bad, and keep doing your excellent work!
I appreciate that!
there are two types of people in this world. people who dedicate their time to tearing other people down and people who work on themselves and not worrying about what other people do and try to bring positive force to the world and preach their own methodologies. no reason to spend time hating on other channels good or bad. this guy is acting like a woman on her period.
What makes you think that brilliant people and their ideas don’t also have serious flaws as well ? Of course they do and that doesn’t make him less brilliant or credible.
Robin Williams -brilliant and flawed
Sigmund Freud -brilliant and flawed
Everyone
-brilliant and flawed
Thank you for having the courage to call out these dudes abusing their influence for personal gain.. no integrity amongst them
thanks
@@sgcarney I'm from Australia, never heard of you before but subscribed now, in light of the Emotionally Unhealthy Western Leadership that you are calling out. 🙏🏽❣️
Theres something called assumption of the risk.. (look it up) thats why you cant' blame wim hof for people drowning
Scott Carney
is the biggest risk to encounter
You can when he instructs people to do it in video.
At least you did not criticize Franz Bardon. I can accept to lose WIm Hof and Andrew Huberman as a Guru.
hi Scott what you're saying is simply not true. Justin Rosales with his great book was way before you.
Justin Rosales is not, nor has he ever been a journalist. I was the first actual American journalist to write about Wim. Justin's book was certainly interesting and worth referencing, but it's also a travelogue of an 18 year old kid taking his first international trip abroad.
Ok. However, many european people like me where into Wim's work already in 2013/14. Got your book on my shelf. Listened to it on audible, liked it. But to me it is not more Journalism than Justin's book.
Nearly every TH-cam ad I get is some “wellness” industry scam. Thanks for being honest about changing your perspective. Everyone will come to this conclusion eventually.
I appreciate you being here and listening.
They both have their benefits just. Don't expect them to be perfect role models
There's an important difference between being an imperfect role model and being a sociopath though
Is this a tell all? #messy
Probabaly not your first and only mistakes... 🙃🙃🙃🙃
I should make a video “Why I fell for Scott Carney”
Loved your 2 books. Have them displayed next to my ice bath. But I’ve learned since then that you have an obsession with attacking ppl’s flaws. You can call it journalism but it’s just a cumulative need to crap on ppl.
What does Huberman being with multiple women have to do with his science. If that news didn’t come out would you be saying this? No, you wouldn’t. You just kick ppl when they’re down.
32 ppl have died doing Wim Hof. That’s not Wim’s fault, it’s their own fault for not doing it properly and in a safe manner.
P.S. If you were friends with Huberman before all this then yes, you are a crappy friend. Cause a good friend would have called him out much earlier, and to his face, not on social media.
I stand for truth in all things. I’m just telling you like it is. If that makes you want to not like my work anymore that’s on you. My journey has not changed.
Scott I appreciate you for being genuine and soul searching reasons why you (and many of us!) are drawn towards personalities like Hof and Huberman. Hof is such an odd bird I wouldn't dare diagnose his psyche. But for sure, Huberman is a quintessential narcissist!! I never explored what makes a narcissist or knew just how dangerous and destructive narcissists are, until discovering it via a corrosive family member.
For those who have not studied narcissism, a fantastic resource is clinical psychologist Dr. Ramani, on TH-cam. She was once a victim, and focuses solely on narcissism. She is brilliant, informative, and teaches us how to recognize and deal with this personality disorder. BTW, I get 0 (zero) financial incentive by mentioning Ramani. 😆
Thanks for being here.
12:14 the friendship = blind loyalty. I’ve been accused of not being loyal when I spoke out about a friend harming themselves. Truth is best!
Wow what a great video!! Number one, truth is EVERYTHING. I think it’s one of the absolute most important things in life. Then, you’re going to decline sponsorships is so good and true makes sense as to why. Really proud of you thank you for your honesty and speaking the truth!
Thanks.
You are clearly jumping on the cancel bandwagon in order to ensure your own longevity.
Everyone is selfish, aren't they?
You are clearly not being open to debate. Be sceptical about everything and do research. If what you think to be true is challenged then be open enough to fact check. It rained with Wim Hoff at his home in 2019 and I was put off by the tree huggers and crystal nobs. It seems clear that there are mental benefits to his method but his physical claims to health benefits need research and peer review.
So are you😂😂😂
I think you need to have another go with this and really focus in on exactly what they’ve done wrong. I’m hearing a lot of allegations but nothing of real substance. Huberman may deserve criticism for his impact on the scientific method, but when you’re talking about Wim Hof and people dying, what exactly were they doing. This is your job. as the journalist. What is the clear and present danger. I read your book and I do Wim Hoff on a weekly basis. As far as I can tell Whim says do the breathing and the ice separately. If one is doing that and one still dies then they were probably going to die from something anyway. People have heart attacks on treadmills for instance all the time doesn’t mean we stop using treadmills. What is it exactly that is the job in front of you.
You should watch my related videos if you want those details.
They just seem like more mature versions of Andrew Tate😂😂😂
Not sure what you mean by “fell for”. It’s not falling for, it’s taking useful information and doing whatever you like with it. He’s not telling you what to do but leaving information in the open and you choose what to do with it. I’m pretty sure they want you to do your own research and think for yourself in a way that makes you better. That article you mention about Huberman isn’t “great”. It’s very biased. This video just doesn’t get anywhere and it’s sad that people like you think it’s beneficial to hate on these two men and twist things in a way that make them the bad guy. So terrible, with all do respect, I think you should lift weights, do whim hoff, and eat some beef or something because this isn’t the truth at all 🤣
I’m sorry you are still stuck in unreality. I was there for a while. A lot deeper than you.
Unreality? What are you talking about? You’re sorry? Idk if your blood work is in check but mine is and so is my lifts, mental health, and W2. I think the way I live life is much better than yours, especially with what I’ve been given. You are spoiled with your life and don’t know how to make the world a better place. Your opinion is false in this video. The way you try to twist and debunk is not it. Whim hoff hasn’t killed anyone, neither has his method, it’s the people who do it that make the mistake. God bless them but it’s not whims fault. He has helped a lot more you ever will. You won’t even help 1% of the people whim has helped haha. Don’t twist stuff to make your self seem credible and make more money 😊
@@thomasdunham8033you clearly haven’t watched or understood the video. Also please improve your grammar.