Hello, it's the creator of the boros burn deck here. I spent a long long time perfectioning the deck and I finally reached a form I was very satisfied with. Every time I played I felt like I had an advantage on my opponent, it really looked to me like I was playing the best deck of the format, and even better I was the only one playing it. The games I lost were mulligans 5 or risky 1-land keeps that didn't pay-off. The deck has a crazy sustain into the middle-late game, so that losing the dice roll (which happened like almost every time) isn't really that big of a deal. It can have those bone-breaking starts that a prowess deck can have, while being a much more solid deck in general. I'm very proud of it.
That's so cool! Thank you for commenting about the deck! Awesome to hear how it hummed so well all weekend too, congrats on the amazing placing! Did you try other versions before settling on Boros? And is there a deck you think you might struggle against that you didn't see at the Event?
@@optimustomtv Well of course I tried the mainstream versions of rakdos and gruul, but they felt like very unstable decks. I found it hard to believe I could win consistently for 14 rounds with them. I settled on boros pretty quickly, then I worked a lot on which cards to include. Notably the slickshot show off is not present because in a format where the most common card is fatal push, slickshot show off was consistently dying before doing any damage. I decided on a curve with 14 1-drops, Eidolons as the only 2-drops and Screaming nemesis to top the curve. Eidolons being the only 2-drop that deals 2 damage when immediately removed was amazing... even when my opponents had plenty of removals, they were never efficient with them because of how my deck is built. Luckily I did not meet mardu greasefang. That is a tough matchup. I have a lot of 3-damage spells, so I can kind of deal with it, but keeping 2 mana open is not always possible.
@@leonardomagri4379 The card is very good, of course, however I am not convinced it would fit in this deck. I would still prefer lightning strike over it. The fact that it can hit creatures and is an instant is much more important than costing 1 less mana. Especially because you must be mana efficient on your initial turns, when playing creatures. However, when the opponent is low and you start moving to the "burn" part of the game, mana is not an issue anymore. The card is much better suited for a different kind of deck, that aims at closing the games fast with cheap spells. I'm talking about monored. With slickshot show off and 8 other prowess creatures, the new lava spike is going to be amazing. Just remove light up the stage from the usual monored list, add the new lava spike and you've got a deck. I probably will still stick to my boros version because it is more consistent in longer games and when the opponent has the answers for your initial threats. In my version of the deck I might be interested in trying ball lightning instead, it's a great topper for the curve... although that spot is already being taken by screaming nemesis, which is amazing as well.
great video! i’m getting back into magic after a (10 year) hiatus - and pioneer seemed a good starting point for what i’m looking for. chose to build rakdos prowess - didn’t realize i was going to be absolutely hated at the gs i end up going to lol
Fellow Prowess player! Haha yeah, I feel like Leyline in Bo1 Arena scarred a lot of people 😅 Deck can be a lot of fun though! People just don't like losing to Aggro...or Combo...or Control...or losing in general I suppose!
@@optimustomtv of the deck :D I mean, I feel that phoenix is kind of feeling not so strong as it was 2 or 3 months ago, I think blooumburrow and duskmorun really gave us some hard decks to defeat.
@@enleteli really? I think it's kind of the opposite. Artist's Talent is a HOUSE in the Black/X Midrange matches that Phoenix used to go even or struggle against. The fact that it and Proft's are enchantments that they can't interact with makes it impossible for them to deny your card advantage engine the same way they could when Phoenix needed to rely on Ledger Shredder. Jund Sacrifice using the Ygra Combo was the one deck that flipped it's Phoenix match up entirely, but Phoenix flipped the other B/x matchups in return so I think Phoenix is looking extremely strong. It was never good against the Enigmatic decks so that's nothing new even though it got upgrades in Duskmourn. Phoenix is also not an expensive deck. It's half the price of demons ($280 avg on Goldfish vs $576 avg) which makes it only $30 more expensive than Rakdos Prowess, and the only cheaper metagame deck ATM is Selesnya Company ($191 avg on Goldfish). Edit - you even have lists like this that are $178 on Goldfish, so Phoenix is verrrrrry cheap for a Pioneer deck: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6758241#paper
Hey Opts, what do you think about Bandit's Talent in a MonoBlack Demons? I noticed that, like Vamps, they're maindecking Duress, because Slasher & Annex are so busted that in some way power creep benefits discard (I nuke your hand, then good luck with my Slasher). I remembered discussing with you that Bandit's Talent was not a complement but a substitute of Waste Not... maybe this shell can prove it? Annex is your fuel, Geier is now Mutavault, etc. So far I went 7-1 in Explorah, but who knows, I'm interested in your take about this silly idea of mine! 😊
The frame (all x4), so to speak: Duress/Pusheize Talent/Oni/Removal Slasher/Annex Demon/Sheoldred (I'm trying a dumb split of one of each: Bloodletter, Dross, Sheoldred and... Spawn of Mayhem 😂) SB work in progress, the 2CMC removal is tricky (X2 Throats + X2 Edicts, or x2 Anoints...) and probably X4 Onis is too much, but that's the skeleton.
So I'm still not super sold on Bandit's Talent. To be honest, I would maybe run 1-2 in Waste Not now if you cut creatures for it. I view it as a Rack or Shrieking Affliction and not counting it as a discard spell - I just can't get behind what is essentially a Discard 1 for 2 mana when you aren't really working towards the payoff quickly. If anything, I'd look to run Go Blank - which I know some Demons lists are using in their sideboards. You have a hate card vs Phoenix now that also does damage to control decks. So many times Talent is going to hit the worst card in their hand that isn't a land - and it's really bad against Phoenix and Oculus decks since you're T2 enabling them with the dealer's choice of a card. I'm also not a huge fan of the split between your 4 drops. Annex + Bloodletter is a combo, Bloodletter + Slasher is a combo. Bloodletter seems mandatory to your closing speed. Without Bloodletter the Annex doesn't function as well, even if you ran something like Slasher+ Rogue's Passage to ensure Slasher connects. If I'm gunning for 16 Creatures I'd do 4 Slasher, 4 Bloodletter, dealer's choice of the last 8 preferably being 50-75% Demons. Something like 4 Archfiend 2 Sheoldred 2 Bronco (I'm not a huge fan of Blade unless you're going Aggressive in which case Talent and Go Blank are both bad Maindeck) I think you could build Demons in a more Aggro manner though, curving Blade into Spawn into Desecration Demon and Bloodletter. Archfiend could also work over Desecration Demon - but I'd be interested in trying it out since it gets larger quicker.
Hello, it's the creator of the boros burn deck here. I spent a long long time perfectioning the deck and I finally reached a form I was very satisfied with. Every time I played I felt like I had an advantage on my opponent, it really looked to me like I was playing the best deck of the format, and even better I was the only one playing it.
The games I lost were mulligans 5 or risky 1-land keeps that didn't pay-off.
The deck has a crazy sustain into the middle-late game, so that losing the dice roll (which happened like almost every time) isn't really that big of a deal. It can have those bone-breaking starts that a prowess deck can have, while being a much more solid deck in general. I'm very proud of it.
That's so cool! Thank you for commenting about the deck! Awesome to hear how it hummed so well all weekend too, congrats on the amazing placing!
Did you try other versions before settling on Boros? And is there a deck you think you might struggle against that you didn't see at the Event?
Hello Dusk-MTG do you have a decklist as a screenshot or text file?
I tried the deck and it's amazing man! What do think about the new foundation one mana bolt face spell?
@@optimustomtv Well of course I tried the mainstream versions of rakdos and gruul, but they felt like very unstable decks. I found it hard to believe I could win consistently for 14 rounds with them. I settled on boros pretty quickly, then I worked a lot on which cards to include.
Notably the slickshot show off is not present because in a format where the most common card is fatal push, slickshot show off was consistently dying before doing any damage.
I decided on a curve with 14 1-drops, Eidolons as the only 2-drops and Screaming nemesis to top the curve. Eidolons being the only 2-drop that deals 2 damage when immediately removed was amazing... even when my opponents had plenty of removals, they were never efficient with them because of how my deck is built.
Luckily I did not meet mardu greasefang. That is a tough matchup. I have a lot of 3-damage spells, so I can kind of deal with it, but keeping 2 mana open is not always possible.
@@leonardomagri4379 The card is very good, of course, however I am not convinced it would fit in this deck. I would still prefer lightning strike over it. The fact that it can hit creatures and is an instant is much more important than costing 1 less mana. Especially because you must be mana efficient on your initial turns, when playing creatures. However, when the opponent is low and you start moving to the "burn" part of the game, mana is not an issue anymore.
The card is much better suited for a different kind of deck, that aims at closing the games fast with cheap spells. I'm talking about monored. With slickshot show off and 8 other prowess creatures, the new lava spike is going to be amazing. Just remove light up the stage from the usual monored list, add the new lava spike and you've got a deck. I probably will still stick to my boros version because it is more consistent in longer games and when the opponent has the answers for your initial threats.
In my version of the deck I might be interested in trying ball lightning instead, it's a great topper for the curve... although that spot is already being taken by screaming nemesis, which is amazing as well.
great video! i’m getting back into magic after a (10 year) hiatus - and pioneer seemed a good starting point for what i’m looking for. chose to build rakdos prowess - didn’t realize i was going to be absolutely hated at the gs i end up going to lol
Fellow Prowess player!
Haha yeah, I feel like Leyline in Bo1 Arena scarred a lot of people 😅 Deck can be a lot of fun though! People just don't like losing to Aggro...or Combo...or Control...or losing in general I suppose!
dang i wonder where that rakdos demons deck got its start 👀
I think that also the prevalence of Izzet Phoenix as one of the most played decks has relation with the "price".
Price of what?
@@optimustomtv of the deck :D
I mean, I feel that phoenix is kind of feeling not so strong as it was 2 or 3 months ago, I think blooumburrow and duskmorun really gave us some hard decks to defeat.
@@enleteli really? I think it's kind of the opposite. Artist's Talent is a HOUSE in the Black/X Midrange matches that Phoenix used to go even or struggle against. The fact that it and Proft's are enchantments that they can't interact with makes it impossible for them to deny your card advantage engine the same way they could when Phoenix needed to rely on Ledger Shredder.
Jund Sacrifice using the Ygra Combo was the one deck that flipped it's Phoenix match up entirely, but Phoenix flipped the other B/x matchups in return so I think Phoenix is looking extremely strong. It was never good against the Enigmatic decks so that's nothing new even though it got upgrades in Duskmourn.
Phoenix is also not an expensive deck. It's half the price of demons ($280 avg on Goldfish vs $576 avg) which makes it only $30 more expensive than Rakdos Prowess, and the only cheaper metagame deck ATM is Selesnya Company ($191 avg on Goldfish).
Edit - you even have lists like this that are $178 on Goldfish, so Phoenix is verrrrrry cheap for a Pioneer deck: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6758241#paper
Another sad day for lotus field 😢
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Hey Opts, what do you think about Bandit's Talent in a MonoBlack Demons? I noticed that, like Vamps, they're maindecking Duress, because Slasher & Annex are so busted that in some way power creep benefits discard (I nuke your hand, then good luck with my Slasher).
I remembered discussing with you that Bandit's Talent was not a complement but a substitute of Waste Not... maybe this shell can prove it? Annex is your fuel, Geier is now Mutavault, etc. So far I went 7-1 in Explorah, but who knows, I'm interested in your take about this silly idea of mine! 😊
The frame (all x4), so to speak:
Duress/Pusheize
Talent/Oni/Removal
Slasher/Annex
Demon/Sheoldred (I'm trying a dumb split of one of each: Bloodletter, Dross, Sheoldred and... Spawn of Mayhem 😂)
SB work in progress, the 2CMC removal is tricky (X2 Throats + X2 Edicts, or x2 Anoints...) and probably X4 Onis is too much, but that's the skeleton.
So I'm still not super sold on Bandit's Talent. To be honest, I would maybe run 1-2 in Waste Not now if you cut creatures for it. I view it as a Rack or Shrieking Affliction and not counting it as a discard spell - I just can't get behind what is essentially a Discard 1 for 2 mana when you aren't really working towards the payoff quickly.
If anything, I'd look to run Go Blank - which I know some Demons lists are using in their sideboards. You have a hate card vs Phoenix now that also does damage to control decks. So many times Talent is going to hit the worst card in their hand that isn't a land - and it's really bad against Phoenix and Oculus decks since you're T2 enabling them with the dealer's choice of a card.
I'm also not a huge fan of the split between your 4 drops. Annex + Bloodletter is a combo, Bloodletter + Slasher is a combo. Bloodletter seems mandatory to your closing speed. Without Bloodletter the Annex doesn't function as well, even if you ran something like Slasher+ Rogue's Passage to ensure Slasher connects. If I'm gunning for 16 Creatures I'd do 4 Slasher, 4 Bloodletter, dealer's choice of the last 8 preferably being 50-75% Demons. Something like 4 Archfiend 2 Sheoldred 2 Bronco (I'm not a huge fan of Blade unless you're going Aggressive in which case Talent and Go Blank are both bad Maindeck)
I think you could build Demons in a more Aggro manner though, curving Blade into Spawn into Desecration Demon and Bloodletter. Archfiend could also work over Desecration Demon - but I'd be interested in trying it out since it gets larger quicker.