As a player who played MGS1 in 1998 and eagerly awaited 2, I can confirm that this game was truly something special. It knew and used our memories and expectations to inspire critical thought and thats why to me it is one of mankind's finest artistic works.
Little did i know back then when MGS2 was released, how frightening it really was. One has to take into account that the story and plotline for MGS2 was written way before the internet blew up, how the hell did Kojima know? Hes a freakin genious!
To be fair, he wasn't the only one nor the first one to understand the consequences of the internet, look at anime series like Serial experiments Lain or Ghost in the shell: stand alone complex
I remember reading a theory years back stating that Japan was rapidly accelerating the use of internet and computers for the rising economy. As digital information bloomed in usage through Japan's fast Internet speeds, many bloggers and conspiracy theorists started dumping as much information and disinformation quickly to establish forums and chatrooms. The theory I read claimed that Kojima was aware of how much trash and nonsense flooding the Internet as it does now filled with half-truths and echo chambers. Instead of passing on valuable information or literature or art into the next generation, every moron now gets to spam the Internet and pass along to junk that doesn't deteriorate or become forgotten. Kojima must have seen pre-2000 era forums and chatrooms and scoped out the emerging digital landfill that GW was created for.
You know... I'm still not entirely sure what the la-li-lu-le-lo thing is about... Like, I get it, they can't say "The Patriots" out loud because of either nanomachines or hypnosis suggestion... But isn't "La-li-lu-le-lo" even more conspicuous? Especially if (Like Snake) you figure out that anyone who says that has been conditioned to be unable to say it? Even to the point that they don't KNOW that they're saying it? Cause I'm pretty sure when Meryl said it in 4, she's saying it as if "The Patriots" is in her mind, coming out of her mouth.
Nah he did. It's nothing paranormal, just one of the main characteristics of the collective unconscious, It's timeless. He didn't did it intentionally tho. Food for thought.
Hideo Kojima is not a fortuneteller. However, he has a rare keen mind that expertly laid bare the truth many didnt and still dont want to see. "he just saw the pattern" If only enough others would follow this example, the world would be a better place and not a shallow shithole.
I played MGS2 in a very unique fashion: Compliance. When Raiden saw Snake turn on the elevator at the beginning of the Plant chapter: "That can't be Snake. He's dead. I have to take this observation and investigate further." When Raiden met Pliskin: "He shares his voice and appearance, but I still can't confirm anything. He seems to be on my side. I'll proceed accordingly." When Stillman proclaimed that Pliskin wasn't a SEAL: "Who is he to declare this? He's just a cop and bomb specialist. I'm just FOXHOUND. We can't say for sure." When Snake admits who he is: "Oh. Okay. Fair enough." When Ocelot kills the President and Raiden aims at him: "There must be some good reason Raiden's not pulling the trigger. Oh well." [the most embarassing one] When Campbell tells me to turn off the game: "Okay." [turn off] [turn back on] [load save] "Wait... that didn't work? I did what I was told!" I missed a lot of the minutiae by doing this, but a few years later, my reflections upon the whole experience had a delayed yet VERY dramatic impact. It made me question how much else of my life I had spent taking everyone's words - lies and truths and all between - for granted. How much had I been made the fool? How much might I still be made the fool? What do I change (and how) to secure myself against this manipulation in the future? This, and Snake himself, is what/who woke me up to reality and the victory of choosing one's own path, one's own end, one's own legacy. At 13-14 years old, Solid Snake - warrior poet that he is - came around and stayed around just in time to save my life in a way that's nigh impossible to fully explain.
A core theme of Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty was trust into the digital age, or how it can easily be betrayed and why we should take things with a grain of salt as we seek out something to pass on to future generations. Strategically going out of their way to hide Raiden, the actual main character for most of the game, in the marketing and then springing him on us once we get to the Plant, actually subliminally prepared people for the inevitable post-modern head trip and shocking reveals that by the game's end, blows the scope of the Metal Gear universe wide open and revealed so much about the world and its rulers (The Patriots' AIs). I think it's for THIS reason why Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, its immediate successor, became regarded as the best Metal Gear by misaimed fans: Although Metal Gear Solid 1 was clearly a dark political thriller in a semi-cyberpunk setting with a traumatised lead who was rightfully cynical and downtrodden for most of the duration (Solid Snake), a very vocal chunk of people back then viewed it as pure power fantasy where you beat the bad guys, get the girl, and prevent armageddon. So when Kojima aimed Solid 2 to be a post-modern critique aimed squarely at that minority... What would you think happen? OF COURSE they'd declare Raiden as the antichrist and latch on to the more safe, lighter 1960s espionage-inspired prequel game and ignore its themes entirely!
I love MGS2, There was a moment where the AI colonel says something about being dark outside, with thunders... I remember I was alone in my house, and it was pitch black outside... and there was thunders... I started questioning reality just like Riden... MASTER PIECE even some people never understood Kojima's work
Clearing my "seen history" of TH-cam was the best thing I ever did. Now my suggested videos are incredibly specific according to my taste. Because of this your video appeared to me.
Man! thanks for the video. I honestly consider that MGS2 is one of the most deep videogames when it comes to the subjects that a video game has ever touched. And seeing how this game has become from being hated because of Hideo/konami lies about snake, all the way until now being a cult and one of the most important games in history because of the content and how it predicted all the current situation about information being controlled and all the censoring. Looking how you connected all the dots on how they lied to us and the connection as player/Raiden. This was very pleasant to see. Fine work you made here. Thank you!
Naughty Dog got so much shit when Neil Druckman said the Ad Campaign for The Last of Us Part 2 was a tribute to MGS 2 Ad Campaign. I thought it was smart.
The metal gear solid series hit really differently when played in its release time.. Even a big fan can say alot of issues and area of improvement if he played them in the mean time also a new player to the series will have issues with it.. But for sure the best experience was long ago.. My hopes are sky high for delta..
I agree. It is definitely important to appraise at game at the time of its release or at at the very least, take into account the time period in which it was released. This will give important context to the player, which can inform their experience of the game.
Btw... In the metal gear solid 2 sons of liberty, just like in metal gear solid. The torture room is over played, since you don't even need to button mash or use a turbo control. When all you need to do is hold down your weapon or item select button through the torture. That's it, and you don't lose any life.
How did you pronounce his name? 1:26 dude, it's pronounced similar to Video, that's why the joke of HIDEO instead of VIDEO appears when the game simulates being disconnected from the TV.
No matter what, be your own filter and you'll be fine, assume even those telling you the truth are also lying, simply don't care either way and choose yourself.
1990s: refrencing fantasy books to describe the human condition 2020s: refrencing fantasy video games to describe the human condition 2050s: Refrencing VR games to describe the human condition 2080s: Refrencing Coma-induced Life Simulators to describe the human condition 2110s: Refrencing avatar-mind-swap games to decribe the human condition 2140s: teleporting to an offworld planet designated as a game planet to experience the human condition in a recreated-earth created by AI drones.
Amazing analysis! Another theme tragically overlooked when thinking about this series is the GENERATIONAL GAP! How do you recapture your original fan base, reel in new players, love them all...but know in your heart that their relative perspectives and time with the series is disjointed? Answer: be fully transparent and make the Snake/Raiden dynamic confusing. Sure, Snake and Raiden are both part of the same quilt but cut from different cloth. So their story arcs aren't supposed to line up perfectly. Kojima knew this and ran with that idea flawlessly
1. The S3 plan should’ve been used to convince us that Raiden was a well written character with good voice acting. 2. Don’t Start Now is a great song and the Patriots should not have to convince anyone to like Dua Lipa. 3. Kudos to a fellow Gordon Ramsay fan.
Amazing analysis man! Great video! Subscribed. MGS2 is actually my favorite MGS game. Yes, they're all excellent games. But maybe because it's the first one in the franchise that I ever played, or maybe just because of the themes, messages, creativity and quirkiness that is on offer in MGS2. This game was definitely way ahead of its time. 20 years ago I played it and thought "This is definitely a game alright! This stuff is too farfetched." And here we are in 2020s living the prophecy.
I played mgs1 when it was first released back in 1998, I was 7 years old. The metal gear series has a quality that makes people FALL IN LOVE with it. I remember when I was in either kindergarten or 1st grade they asked us to Write what we did over the weekend and I wrote a FULL page about how me and my cousin played "medal gear solid" and went into detail how we were sneaking around shooting ppl and choking them etc. I went into detail about how good the story way, long story short, the school contacted my mom and was concerned about the story I wrote. My mom said well he did the assignment and wrote more than all the others in class." Fast forward a few weeks later, the same assignment about weekend activities, and I wrote about it again, but this time, I was stuck on the ninja lmao
That’s good (: “Fake news” is antiquated at this point, rn bots are flooding fb and twitter with AI slop. The real propaganda schemes now involve context of facts rather than lying.
There's one small piece of info missing here. You were actually going to do that whole ship escape thing. They just kinda ran out of DVD space. Or maybe it was time constraints? Either way, that was gonna be in there but got cut for reasons that weren't story related.
Truth, the escape was cut for a few reasons, I think the water physics were alittle sus, I don’t think they thought it was fun, time, etc- But some times story beats or lack there of can reinforce themes, even if it wasn’t the initial intention (:
Not only did it piss me off as a kid that MGS2 was mainly from the perspective of Raiden, but then Hideo Trolljima and Konami announce MGS2: Substance, which once again tricks us into thinking we're going to get to play an entire game from Snake's perspective. I went and bought substance the day it came out, basically ran home from school and played the tanker mission so quickly. Just as the plant mission was loading I thought this is it, this is the moment we get to play as Snake..... no wait its Raiden again Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
@@jamesh3639Snake tales was a disappointment. It was basically exactly what the fans yearned for but it was implemented in a half assed way. Instead of playing as snake during plant, we got some moments during the plant that didn’t even have any cutscenes. Had they followed through with an actual play through of snakes part in the plant, fans would’ve been left completely satisfied. It almost felt as though substance was an attempt to appease fans slightly, while making another £40-£50 off the fans for a new copy. What did you think?
Since MGS2 was the first MGS I played I didn't have an emotional investment in Solid Snake, and it's funny that to this day you still hear people complaining about having to play as Raiden. I love him, he's sympathetic but also hot AF
This is a really great video. The recent batch of video games with purposefully misleading marketing (Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity) had me thinking back to MGS2, and ruminating on why its misleading marketing has been posthumously accepted as an artistic strongpoint, whereas these previous two games still generate a lot of controversy. And I think you are exactly right, in that it is because the sleight of hand was done to empower and consolidate the themes of the narrative. Looking back to forum posts around the time of MGS2's release, we can see that there certainly were legions of fans who were upset with the change, but as we look back on it, and realize that this "annoying blonde kid" we were forced to play as was a literal player insert, it just reads as a masterstroke. I think FF7R clumsily tries something similar and may eventually be looked back on in a somewhat similar way as MGS2, whereas with Age of Calamity it felt like the misleading was simply for the sake of a plot twist, and thus will never feel earned in the same way, no matter how much hindsight we have. Sorry for the long comment, but it was a very thought-provoking video!
In a similar vein, people have mentioned TLOU2 as an example of purposefully misleading marketing- but I don’t think last of us 2 mislead people for artistic reasons, but it was avoiding a huge spoiler to the games narrative. Remakes like FF7 have an additional layer of baked in expectations. If you start as a “shot for shot” remake you could do a lot of creative narrative things if executed well
It was depressing back then. Now it's downright ideation-inducing. The only choice we really have anymore is to not engage, and that's what I did. I haven't played a Metal Gear game since MGS2. If there's one thing I don't need it's my one escape from reality reminding me how hopeless things really are. I get enough of that as part of my daily life.
Ironically Dan, this video was suggested to me. I wasn't subscribed to your channel. However I am now, because this was really well done. You win again A. I. 😄
Favorite game ever!….. but was the series trying to tell us something during this game 😅…. Cause it sure does sound familiar 😬….🤔…..🫠… manipulation in a digital age…
I played this game in the late 2000s, and I have to admit, I never really liked it as much as the other games. Although, I think I was too young to really get what was going on at the time. I think I'll replay this when it gets remastered soon.
@@-knowboddy2368 Hideo is my own bad, that’s just how I’ve said it since I was like 6. But I blame ‘excape’ on the hoagie mouth I have from living in philadelphia
Making the player feel what protagonist feel is what are the first steps of making a masterpiece, immersive experience. Recently, games that does this well are Kane and Lynch 2 and EDF4(with a different style). K&L2 is actually its objective to make the 2 players feel what the protagonists go through. There is digetic music, proper music is only heard through stereos. What you feel is undescribable. EDF4(and EDF2017) manages with a very subtle style. Through getting stronger each mission, you experience how the war goes on through radio talk. But the most important aspect of making it immersive is the collection of the mission design and allies barter. Each mission has an introduction to a certain enemy, others have a combination that are deadly when with each other and so on. However, the final 10 missions(online mode) are designed to tire you. They take you lot more to complete and you get surrounded almost every time. Pure joy on these games when designed to connect the player with the protagonist. Even Jade empire manages it in some aspects.
He uses it in the Dawkins gene centric context, while talking about the future digital age… idk man! “Memes” existed, but I don’t recall it being apart of internet lexicon till well after 2002
in a way, these metal gear games are still a lie. the game is called metal gear solid, "solid" codename for solid snake. solid snake has not been in the forefront since 2008 with msg4. literally every other mgs game since then has been about his dad, big boss. even now, they're still sticking with big boss in the upcoming mgs3 remake. imo solid snake has been getting disrespected for over a decade now, he's a legendary video game character who isn't playable anymore.
I was pissed that I want playing as Snake, I actually didn’t play it for a few days. I ended up finishing the game but I haven’t touched it since. It still pisses me off.
I played MGS2 first. I hadn't played MGS1 so I had no emotional investment in Snake. I've always loved how over the years the criticism I see the most of the game is how you play as Raiden for most of it. I thought it was a masterpiece from day one but most MGS fans had to warm up to it for a couple decades. Also, Raiden is hot AF and I wanna get up in dat ass but w/e a man can dream
Honestly? Konami and Kojima should've been sued for false advertising. I remember the fake screenshots showing Snake in the latter half of the game. I cannot put into words how disappointed I was when I found out that wasn't in the final game. It honestly killed the franchise for me. I played the hell out of the NES version of Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge. Metal Gear Solid 1 is one of my favorite PS1 games. But MGS 2 not only felt like a betrayal, but it also went from feeling like an 80's action film to being overly goofy. And the series just got goofier from there. I like the VR missions in the Substance version, but other than that, I can't stand the game. Never bothered playing 3, 4, or 5. Because this game ruined the series. The only reason I ever owned a copy of 4 is because it came with my PS3. ...I promptly sold it. I don't have time for 4hr long cutscenes between 2 minutes of gameplay.
Yeah well that's pathetic lmao; all of it; melodramatic, and very up-your-own-ass about it too- if you don't understand or appreciate art, don't comment on it. You've gotten all your opinons from second hand back handed comments meant by people who never would have liked these games anyway.
I have since corrected how I pronounce Hideo, please forgive me (:
As a player who played MGS1 in 1998 and eagerly awaited 2, I can confirm that this game was truly something special. It knew and used our memories and expectations to inspire critical thought and thats why to me it is one of mankind's finest artistic works.
True! I tried to stick to only the 1 theme but there’s so many lenses you can analyze this game under.
Dude, I waited the entire game to go back to playing snake. At the end , during the credits i literally said, "Worst game ever."
Its cool if you felt that way. Just means you didn't get it. @@Doo-l5x
Fantastic game.
Raiden won me over fairly quickly with the game. Especially his somersault.
@@Doo-l5x that’s on you lol
Little did i know back then when MGS2 was released, how frightening it really was.
One has to take into account that the story and plotline for MGS2 was written way before the internet blew up, how the hell did Kojima know?
Hes a freakin genious!
To be fair, he wasn't the only one nor the first one to understand the consequences of the internet, look at anime series like Serial experiments Lain or Ghost in the shell: stand alone complex
He read books that touched on those subjects decided to infuse them into the game.
I remember reading a theory years back stating that Japan was rapidly accelerating the use of internet and computers for the rising economy. As digital information bloomed in usage through Japan's fast Internet speeds, many bloggers and conspiracy theorists started dumping as much information and disinformation quickly to establish forums and chatrooms. The theory I read claimed that Kojima was aware of how much trash and nonsense flooding the Internet as it does now filled with half-truths and echo chambers. Instead of passing on valuable information or literature or art into the next generation, every moron now gets to spam the Internet and pass along to junk that doesn't deteriorate or become forgotten. Kojima must have seen pre-2000 era forums and chatrooms and scoped out the emerging digital landfill that GW was created for.
@@bruceofsteel More specifically, the works of people like Jean Baudrillard and Richard Dawkins
Haideo Kojima? Jesus that was painful to listen to
The way you pronounced kojima's name hurt
who is hide-eo? and who exactly who is he hid-eoing from?
We can understand how important is MGS saga for the videogame medium if we are continuing to talk about a game from 22 years ago. great
Metal Gear in general has a special place in my heart!
You know... I'm still not entirely sure what the la-li-lu-le-lo thing is about... Like, I get it, they can't say "The Patriots" out loud because of either nanomachines or hypnosis suggestion... But isn't "La-li-lu-le-lo" even more conspicuous? Especially if (Like Snake) you figure out that anyone who says that has been conditioned to be unable to say it? Even to the point that they don't KNOW that they're saying it? Cause I'm pretty sure when Meryl said it in 4, she's saying it as if "The Patriots" is in her mind, coming out of her mouth.
Hideo Kojima didn't foresee the future. The Context manipulation technique has been around since human civilization existed. He just saw the pattern.
Nah he did. It's nothing paranormal, just one of the main characteristics of the collective unconscious, It's timeless. He didn't did it intentionally tho. Food for thought.
Hideo Kojima is not a fortuneteller. However, he has a rare keen mind that expertly laid bare the truth many didnt and still dont want to see. "he just saw the pattern" If only enough others would follow this example, the world would be a better place and not a shallow shithole.
@@MAPkiller_shitsummoner-wizard Look up all the events throughout human history. It's a cycle.
@@MAPkiller_shitsummoner-wizard no he didnt. It already was happening back then, they just were more subtle back then compared to now
I played MGS2 in a very unique fashion: Compliance.
When Raiden saw Snake turn on the elevator at the beginning of the Plant chapter: "That can't be Snake. He's dead. I have to take this observation and investigate further."
When Raiden met Pliskin: "He shares his voice and appearance, but I still can't confirm anything. He seems to be on my side. I'll proceed accordingly."
When Stillman proclaimed that Pliskin wasn't a SEAL: "Who is he to declare this? He's just a cop and bomb specialist. I'm just FOXHOUND. We can't say for sure."
When Snake admits who he is: "Oh. Okay. Fair enough."
When Ocelot kills the President and Raiden aims at him: "There must be some good reason Raiden's not pulling the trigger. Oh well."
[the most embarassing one] When Campbell tells me to turn off the game: "Okay." [turn off] [turn back on] [load save] "Wait... that didn't work? I did what I was told!"
I missed a lot of the minutiae by doing this, but a few years later, my reflections upon the whole experience had a delayed yet VERY dramatic impact. It made me question how much else of my life I had spent taking everyone's words - lies and truths and all between - for granted. How much had I been made the fool? How much might I still be made the fool? What do I change (and how) to secure myself against this manipulation in the future?
This, and Snake himself, is what/who woke me up to reality and the victory of choosing one's own path, one's own end, one's own legacy.
At 13-14 years old, Solid Snake - warrior poet that he is - came around and stayed around just in time to save my life in a way that's nigh impossible to fully explain.
A core theme of Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty was trust into the digital age, or how it can easily be betrayed and why we should take things with a grain of salt as we seek out something to pass on to future generations. Strategically going out of their way to hide Raiden, the actual main character for most of the game, in the marketing and then springing him on us once we get to the Plant, actually subliminally prepared people for the inevitable post-modern head trip and shocking reveals that by the game's end, blows the scope of the Metal Gear universe wide open and revealed so much about the world and its rulers (The Patriots' AIs).
I think it's for THIS reason why Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, its immediate successor, became regarded as the best Metal Gear by misaimed fans: Although Metal Gear Solid 1 was clearly a dark political thriller in a semi-cyberpunk setting with a traumatised lead who was rightfully cynical and downtrodden for most of the duration (Solid Snake), a very vocal chunk of people back then viewed it as pure power fantasy where you beat the bad guys, get the girl, and prevent armageddon. So when Kojima aimed Solid 2 to be a post-modern critique aimed squarely at that minority... What would you think happen? OF COURSE they'd declare Raiden as the antichrist and latch on to the more safe, lighter 1960s espionage-inspired prequel game and ignore its themes entirely!
The way you pronounced kojima's name hurt
I love MGS2, There was a moment where the AI colonel says something about being dark outside, with thunders... I remember I was alone in my house, and it was pitch black outside... and there was thunders... I started questioning reality just like Riden... MASTER PIECE even some people never understood Kojima's work
Hmmmm, AI colonel might be a better weatherman than 80% of real-life weathermen! 😂😂😂
Clearing my "seen history" of TH-cam was the best thing I ever did. Now my suggested videos are incredibly specific according to my taste. Because of this your video appeared to me.
Man! thanks for the video. I honestly consider that MGS2 is one of the most deep videogames when it comes to the subjects that a video game has ever touched. And seeing how this game has become from being hated because of Hideo/konami lies about snake, all the way until now being a cult and one of the most important games in history because of the content and how it predicted all the current situation about information being controlled and all the censoring. Looking how you connected all the dots on how they lied to us and the connection as player/Raiden. This was very pleasant to see. Fine work you made here. Thank you!
1:24 "Hydeo" ? What disrespect, not taking a second to learn how the name sounds like
Heidi O. Kojima 😂
Naughty Dog got so much shit when Neil Druckman said the Ad Campaign for The Last of Us Part 2 was a tribute to MGS 2 Ad Campaign. I thought it was smart.
The metal gear solid series hit really differently when played in its release time.. Even a big fan can say alot of issues and area of improvement if he played them in the mean time also a new player to the series will have issues with it.. But for sure the best experience was long ago.. My hopes are sky high for delta..
I agree. It is definitely important to appraise at game at the time of its release or at at the very least, take into account the time period in which it was released. This will give important context to the player, which can inform their experience of the game.
Btw... In the metal gear solid 2 sons of liberty, just like in metal gear solid. The torture room is over played, since you don't even need to button mash or use a turbo control. When all you need to do is hold down your weapon or item select button through the torture. That's it, and you don't lose any life.
How did you pronounce his name? 1:26 dude, it's pronounced similar to Video, that's why the joke of HIDEO instead of VIDEO appears when the game simulates being disconnected from the TV.
No matter what, be your own filter and you'll be fine, assume even those telling you the truth are also lying, simply don't care either way and choose yourself.
"I need scissors!!....61!!!"
Was my favorite moment in MGS2
1990s: refrencing fantasy books to describe the human condition
2020s: refrencing fantasy video games to describe the human condition
2050s: Refrencing VR games to describe the human condition
2080s: Refrencing Coma-induced Life Simulators to describe the human condition
2110s: Refrencing avatar-mind-swap games to decribe the human condition
2140s: teleporting to an offworld planet designated as a game planet to experience the human condition in a recreated-earth created by AI drones.
The way you pronounced kojima's name hurt
It’s really crazy how much things Kojima predicted. “Make America Great Again”.
The line is directly refrenced in MGRR when Senator Armstrong says it .
Amazing analysis! Another theme tragically overlooked when thinking about this series is the GENERATIONAL GAP! How do you recapture your original fan base, reel in new players, love them all...but know in your heart that their relative perspectives and time with the series is disjointed? Answer: be fully transparent and make the Snake/Raiden dynamic confusing. Sure, Snake and Raiden are both part of the same quilt but cut from different cloth. So their story arcs aren't supposed to line up perfectly. Kojima knew this and ran with that idea flawlessly
Just like The Last of Us 2 but, I wasnt even mad at MGS2. Raiden was a G. Abby was a Bltch.
1. The S3 plan should’ve been used to convince us that Raiden was a well written character with good voice acting.
2. Don’t Start Now is a great song and the Patriots should not have to convince anyone to like Dua Lipa.
3. Kudos to a fellow Gordon Ramsay fan.
I love me some Dua Lipa tbh
I’m simultaneous inspired, depressed, hopeless, and impressed. Thank you!
I knew there were some prophetic messages here but this blew me away.
Amazing analysis man! Great video! Subscribed.
MGS2 is actually my favorite MGS game. Yes, they're all excellent games. But maybe because it's the first one in the franchise that I ever played, or maybe just because of the themes, messages, creativity and quirkiness that is on offer in MGS2.
This game was definitely way ahead of its time. 20 years ago I played it and thought "This is definitely a game alright! This stuff is too farfetched." And here we are in 2020s living the prophecy.
Crazy how relevant all of this is in todays age
I played mgs1 when it was first released back in 1998, I was 7 years old. The metal gear series has a quality that makes people FALL IN LOVE with it. I remember when I was in either kindergarten or 1st grade they asked us to Write what we did over the weekend and I wrote a FULL page about how me and my cousin played "medal gear solid" and went into detail how we were sneaking around shooting ppl and choking them etc. I went into detail about how good the story way, long story short, the school contacted my mom and was concerned about the story I wrote. My mom said well he did the assignment and wrote more than all the others in class." Fast forward a few weeks later, the same assignment about weekend activities, and I wrote about it again, but this time, I was stuck on the ninja lmao
Bro is an OG !
high dee yo? pfft
I played this game religiously back in the day. Who would’ve known 20 years ago a video game was throwing down Facts. Great video dude
👏👏 Bravo !! Absolutely awesome Video!!
Oh damn, I forgot about Mommy Fortune 🥴
Great. Now everything I see on social media im going to call context manipulation.
That’s good (:
“Fake news” is antiquated at this point, rn bots are flooding fb and twitter with AI slop. The real propaganda schemes now involve context of facts rather than lying.
I had to stop watching the video after you butchered the pronunciation of “Hideo Kojima”
Forgive me (:
There's one small piece of info missing here. You were actually going to do that whole ship escape thing. They just kinda ran out of DVD space. Or maybe it was time constraints? Either way, that was gonna be in there but got cut for reasons that weren't story related.
Truth, the escape was cut for a few reasons, I think the water physics were alittle sus, I don’t think they thought it was fun, time, etc-
But some times story beats or lack there of can reinforce themes, even if it wasn’t the initial intention (:
I wonder if the escape scene was left in, would it still have ended with snakes off screen death, or would we successfully get on the emergency boat?
It was deemed to difficult so it was removed
Not only did it piss me off as a kid that MGS2 was mainly from the perspective of Raiden, but then Hideo Trolljima and Konami announce MGS2: Substance, which once again tricks us into thinking we're going to get to play an entire game from Snake's perspective.
I went and bought substance the day it came out, basically ran home from school and played the tanker mission so quickly. Just as the plant mission was loading I thought this is it, this is the moment we get to play as Snake..... no wait its Raiden again
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
You can technically play in Snake's perspective in substance in the snake tales mode, what do you think of it?
@@jamesh3639Snake tales was a disappointment. It was basically exactly what the fans yearned for but it was implemented in a half assed way.
Instead of playing as snake during plant, we got some moments during the plant that didn’t even have any cutscenes.
Had they followed through with an actual play through of snakes part in the plant, fans would’ve been left completely satisfied.
It almost felt as though substance was an attempt to appease fans slightly, while making another £40-£50 off the fans for a new copy.
What did you think?
You could pronounce Hideo's name correctly. Just sayin'.
Since MGS2 was the first MGS I played I didn't have an emotional investment in Solid Snake, and it's funny that to this day you still hear people complaining about having to play as Raiden. I love him, he's sympathetic but also hot AF
This is a really great video. The recent batch of video games with purposefully misleading marketing (Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity) had me thinking back to MGS2, and ruminating on why its misleading marketing has been posthumously accepted as an artistic strongpoint, whereas these previous two games still generate a lot of controversy. And I think you are exactly right, in that it is because the sleight of hand was done to empower and consolidate the themes of the narrative. Looking back to forum posts around the time of MGS2's release, we can see that there certainly were legions of fans who were upset with the change, but as we look back on it, and realize that this "annoying blonde kid" we were forced to play as was a literal player insert, it just reads as a masterstroke. I think FF7R clumsily tries something similar and may eventually be looked back on in a somewhat similar way as MGS2, whereas with Age of Calamity it felt like the misleading was simply for the sake of a plot twist, and thus will never feel earned in the same way, no matter how much hindsight we have.
Sorry for the long comment, but it was a very thought-provoking video!
In a similar vein, people have mentioned TLOU2 as an example of purposefully misleading marketing- but I don’t think last of us 2 mislead people for artistic reasons, but it was avoiding a huge spoiler to the games narrative.
Remakes like FF7 have an additional layer of baked in expectations. If you start as a “shot for shot” remake you could do a lot of creative narrative things if executed well
I always wondered about that old MGS2 trailer where Snake was running from the explosions in the tanker and also shooting with the FAMAS.
I would like to add that the bait and switch in MGS2 plant chapter shows how gulliable us humans (gamers) really are.
Always good to see more MGS2 videos pop up- glad to see this one's taking off for you.
Great video and analysis
Why does nobody even try to pronounce Kojima’s name correctly? He-day-oh Koh-jee-mah
Another name everyone oddly mispronounces is _Agahnim_
I feel that the story and themes of MGS2 have held up very well and is more relevant today and in the future. MGS1 and 2 are my favorites 👍
It was depressing back then. Now it's downright ideation-inducing. The only choice we really have anymore is to not engage, and that's what I did. I haven't played a Metal Gear game since MGS2.
If there's one thing I don't need it's my one escape from reality reminding me how hopeless things really are. I get enough of that as part of my daily life.
Highdeo? Its Hideo.
Ironically Dan, this video was suggested to me. I wasn't subscribed to your channel. However I am now, because this was really well done. You win again A. I. 😄
HE-DAY-OH not Hide-eoh
I mean when you right you right
17:02 NO FOUL! I CALL FOUL! Vulcan Raven toy totally lied to us with it's shadow, and that's BINGO.
Unrelated to the majority of the video but ayyy April 18th birthday gang
Happy belated birthday, king 🤝
4/18 gang reporting in
great video
Sorry, man, I had to turn the video off after you pronounced his name "Hidey-o Kojima".
It's Hideo. "Hee-day-oh".
Favorite game ever!….. but was the series trying to tell us something during this game 😅…. Cause it sure does sound familiar 😬….🤔…..🫠… manipulation in a digital age…
Dude that was epic!
The ai suggested this to me. Thank you for the quality content!
I played this game in the late 2000s, and I have to admit, I never really liked it as much as the other games. Although, I think I was too young to really get what was going on at the time. I think I'll replay this when it gets remastered soon.
Nice video, loved it. Go birds.
Awesome fuckin game all the way around PERIOD!!!!!❤❤❤❤
MGS2 is ahead of its time, I hate it at first but as time goes by I came to love it because of how it depicts our current future now.
1:25 Oof. "Hidey-ho" Kojima... It's "Hee-dey-oh"
Great video man, I like the message you give at the end too. You got it all right, props for making this!
I don't like dua lipa
Rebelling against the patriots 🤝
Haideo Kojima is crazy 😭😭😭😭 good video though
Escape. Not excape. That kinda irritated me 😅
Heidi-O Kojima lol
its "Hee-Day-Oh"
You not wrong
@@mrdanrennie You're*
followed with "excape"...😂 Let's say it together: "Hideo Kojima escaped". Lol.
@@-knowboddy2368 Hideo is my own bad, that’s just how I’ve said it since I was like 6. But I blame ‘excape’ on the hoagie mouth I have from living in philadelphia
@@mrdanrennie HA! You made my day with this response.😁
Amazing
You pronounce Hideo that way again and I'm calling the cyber police on you bro.
(:
This video deserves billion views
Making the player feel what protagonist feel is what are the first steps of making a masterpiece, immersive experience.
Recently, games that does this well are Kane and Lynch 2 and EDF4(with a different style).
K&L2 is actually its objective to make the 2 players feel what the protagonists go through. There is digetic music, proper music is only heard through stereos. What you feel is undescribable.
EDF4(and EDF2017) manages with a very subtle style. Through getting stronger each mission, you experience how the war goes on through radio talk. But the most important aspect of making it immersive is the collection of the mission design and allies barter. Each mission has an introduction to a certain enemy, others have a combination that are deadly when with each other and so on. However, the final 10 missions(online mode) are designed to tire you. They take you lot more to complete and you get surrounded almost every time. Pure joy on these games when designed to connect the player with the protagonist. Even Jade empire manages it in some aspects.
21:44 you know damn well that meme it's not a word that kojima predicted
He uses it in the Dawkins gene centric context, while talking about the future digital age… idk man! “Memes” existed, but I don’t recall it being apart of internet lexicon till well after 2002
I like how you pronounce “Hideo” hahaha
Hideo ' he•day•yo•
Amazing video 😊😊 i love so much this Game the trailers are very important to the narrative of this Game. You make a excelent work
in a way, these metal gear games are still a lie. the game is called metal gear solid, "solid" codename for solid snake. solid snake has not been in the forefront since 2008 with msg4. literally every other mgs game since then has been about his dad, big boss. even now, they're still sticking with big boss in the upcoming mgs3 remake. imo solid snake has been getting disrespected for over a decade now, he's a legendary video game character who isn't playable anymore.
Solid was actually used to represent the switch from 2D to 3D games (:
@@mrdanrennie lol the more you know. well regardless the mans name is still part of the title, we need solid snake back.
I want more MGS2-era Raiden. Dat ass is redonk 🥵
I need scissors! 61!
I thank MGS one for my arthritis especially in my thumb. I’m 30 😆
My ninja who is Hide-io?
MGS 2 MASTER PIECE.
Game. For gamers. Ps2 is truly one of the best gaming console.
I was pissed that I want playing as Snake, I actually didn’t play it for a few days. I ended up finishing the game but I haven’t touched it since. It still pisses me off.
Grow up lol
@@Snakeskin94 I did, it’s been over twenty years lol
I played MGS2 first. I hadn't played MGS1 so I had no emotional investment in Snake. I've always loved how over the years the criticism I see the most of the game is how you play as Raiden for most of it. I thought it was a masterpiece from day one but most MGS fans had to warm up to it for a couple decades. Also, Raiden is hot AF and I wanna get up in dat ass but w/e a man can dream
"High-Dio" Kojima
This video made me want to play MGS 2 again!! Such an amazing series
My favorite game producer, hidey-o Kojima
2 good until snake die
Boy do I have good news for you (:
I hated MGS2 then and now (for the most part) but after watching this video i think its the greatest game in the series story wise.
Took 10 minutes to confirm what I thought the video was about. Moving on.
It’s a pretty fun 10 minutes tho (:
Relax nerd give this guy a chance
Honestly? Konami and Kojima should've been sued for false advertising. I remember the fake screenshots showing Snake in the latter half of the game. I cannot put into words how disappointed I was when I found out that wasn't in the final game.
It honestly killed the franchise for me. I played the hell out of the NES version of Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge. Metal Gear Solid 1 is one of my favorite PS1 games. But MGS 2 not only felt like a betrayal, but it also went from feeling like an 80's action film to being overly goofy. And the series just got goofier from there.
I like the VR missions in the Substance version, but other than that, I can't stand the game.
Never bothered playing 3, 4, or 5. Because this game ruined the series.
The only reason I ever owned a copy of 4 is because it came with my PS3. ...I promptly sold it. I don't have time for 4hr long cutscenes between 2 minutes of gameplay.
Yeah well that's pathetic lmao; all of it; melodramatic, and very up-your-own-ass about it too- if you don't understand or appreciate art, don't comment on it. You've gotten all your opinons from second hand back handed comments meant by people who never would have liked these games anyway.