Love the content I have a question, are you planning to get a support guide for this season? And some questions about the discount too, what's the best way to contact a sales rep to discuss about it?
And that while the play at 1:34 was 100% his own fault. "As kayn you have done everything right" and blaming his azir for that happening is so ultra bronze.
@@notlisztening9821 well technically in the clip Kayn has no way of really knowing where Katarina went, and if Azir had backed and returned to lane at the right time Katarina would still be pinned in lane and there would have been no reason for Daruis to rotate to the blue buff. Still not a reason to blame your team mates, and Kayn did try to run away as soon as he crossed the wall and saw the two enemies, as far as he knew Katarina could have gone to dive his bot lane or help with dragon which I think would be safer assumptions. but I also have never been in Diamond so idk if rotating to kill a jungler on their buff is normal at that elo cuz it isn't in silver XD
@@OneTruePeanutit 100% going to be done like that in diamond. That Katarina saw him on her vision cross the mid lane, that Darius was definitely watching his map. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve picked up free kills helping my own jg on invades in his jg. Plus by getting rid of enemy jg and keeping yours=free drags if he gets on it fast. Because we now have smite enemy does not.
Feels great to have priority on drake, low health enemies. Voids already taken. And jg paths top side from base. Just to lose drake. 3 or 4 times in a row. All game long.
And this guide helps understanding what really happens in MANY soloq games, it answers WHY games become unplayable or frustrating. If the players of those example games understood what this video tries to explain, those games would have become much less frustrating for them. But, for example in the Yi game, neither the laners nor the jungler understood that.
Don't worry about the concepts in this video they're for more experienced players who have hit a plateau and already have an understanding of the basics. If you're genuinely very new and it's your first ranked season focus on trying to understand how minion waves work and when to play offense/defense and how to take good base timings. Laning should be 99% of your focus until you can play without thinking about it. Odds are in your starting rank laning is what matters the most anyways.
I’m in the same boat and I find it helps to lean into it at champ select eg “hey all I’m new so any advice or pings to help in game would be appreciated!” Usually when you show that it tends to trigger people’s good side because they have context for your behavior
For the Yi game, literally everyone was grieving, even if he kept his cool, the game is still likely lost the moment team fights start happening. It is arguably not worth it to extend so much effort to just bet for that 1% win probability. (from a semi casual perspective)
Literally!!! It's so hard to carry in bronze and iron because they can't play alongside you and just throw all the built up advantage away because they just suddenly decide to play for kills instead of actually making sure we can get to the enemy base and destroy their nexus.
@@4rifr0mthe3nd ohhhh yes... i dont get why they always jump into the fed enemys with a two level lead. Are they not able to understand, that they cant win the fight.
@@Mashedtadersyes and no. Those players won't tend to watch guides. Which is why they will stay low. But for those that do. The guides will just tell them to play yuumi and do nothing. Because we all play with 1. Afk ez who never hits enemy champions. 2. Mids that never roam ever. 3. Junglers that are never seen by enemies until the last fight. Etc. These guides just tend to tell people to "Do nothing" for 40 mins. Which would be okay for smurfing, but imagine playing leona or malphite and never getting followup. Ever. Because those games feel terrible. Watching iron level positioning not be punished because you have an iron mechanics afk ez/lux/jayce/etc.
You literally have guides that say to ping the objectives before they spawn so people know to get ready for the objectives....🤦 Just because people move into unwarded river doesn't mean the pings on the objectives were wrong.
Even tho , those videos are making a lot of people ignoring calls that they are important . so the tip he said When someone pings u ignore them and have confidence with ur self is not ok Hahahah are u seriously getting paid buy riot bro? Wtf is that tip Get ur * together
God forbid a support pings an objective TIMER for AWARENESS. Absolutely terrible example and will result in poor map awareness in any new watching players. Shameful Challenger advice.
Doesn’t show unless enemy jg is using camera time for an early dragon, which is never even in high elo. Camera time is almost always spent on lane states and kiting camps efficiently
Spotting that Ekko Q is extremely difficult to do unless you anticipate it happening and have your camera ON dragon AT that moment. However, A janna who appears blatantly on your map is way easier to spot and pulls attention
i completely feel that, i know its a bad example but shows the mentality in low elo: Warwick matchup into Briar, i invade her bluebuff with my team before Spawn, force her off, take her blue and immediately go mid where i kill the enemy Zed for my Katarina. Wave is slowpushing into her, she got tp, enemy doesnt. I go to farm Raptors, while she is spam pinging me and messing up her wave big time. She takes a dumb back after it, dies to the lvl 3 zed, tilts, only insults in chat and runs down mid and other lanes from there on. We actually dragged this game out to 40 mins or so and almost won but lost one teamfight 4v5.
About the Decision making, if you choose wrong, you might lose but if you not choose, you are 100% lose no matter what. In low elo, it's extremely easy to turn wrong decision to be opportunity.
The mistake players make is queuing lol.. We're essentially opting to play a game that will give us a random teammates, random roles, and if you try to leave you get penalized. The more you get penalized the harsher it gets. Would anyone watch Worlds if the players got random roles? The fact we lose the same LP as two teammates who are 1/8 and 0/10 by 12 minutes is insane. The fact we opt to play a role and don't get it but have to play anyways is insane. "it's fair because it happens to everyone" That's insane. Maybe implementing some form of group searching tool for 5v5 flex MIGHT offset the randomness of this, but that doesn't exist from what I understand? Watch a Gold/Plat player climb through bronze and silver. It is depressing despite technically being more skilled. It's not as painful when a diamond or higher climbs through but it's still noticeable.
Adding - I used skill cap coach a couple years ago and one of the games I played that he reviewed he said I did good that game but my teammates made it unplayable
I feel like an important detail to note here is that we're looking at the difference between people who know how to play and people who don't. There's much more fault on the person who knows how to play but chose to rage than the person who doesn't know how to play and is just not good at the game.
I think the jng pinged for help, not out of "NEED HELP! ALWAYS!" but rather cause enemies had vision on drake and was scared he's gonna get ambused; I could be wrong.
My biggest issue with teammates is that they never seem to respect my ‘wait for a big cooldown’ pings, like dude my ult has 11 seconds left on cd; I know sitting in the bush is boring, but why flip if we have a guaranteed win (summoners or kill) if you wait a bit…
As a new player to LOL i can say whats most annoying in low Elo is that in every second game you got some fkin smurfs in the enemy team that wipe the floor with you, while your own team genuinly sux. I mean its okay to be a bad player so thats why its frustrating that better players create smurf accs just to have some easy wins
I have a very simple rule when I'm jungling I'm the jungler, I decide when someone gets a gank or a jungle objective gets done So, if I'm not playing a jungler that can dive and the enemy is pushed up against turret, you're not getting a gank no matter how much you want one - it's my time you're wasting if that 50/50 doesn't work If an objective is up but I don't know where the enemy jungler is, we're not taking that objective until we find them, I don't care if you've got prio I'm not risking leashing an objective for another jungler If you get ganked and I'm on the other side of the map, I'm not counter ganking I'm invading to see if I can steal any camps or soloing an objective Yes it's selfish, but I know the jungle better than my lane main teammates do; so I'm confident that my calls are better than theirs when it comes to jungle macro
I also do that kind of thing as a jungler, but sometimes in late game my teammates try do objectives while I'm dead or elsewhere on the map. You just can't do anything to that.
My biggest complaint about league is.... The I can carry but currently aren't so I'm going mid as ADC and now mid no longer gets safe first tower farm now it goes to the 40+ less farm and behind adc over the even or far ahead mid lanner. Now mid needs to either share xp and steal all the gold making the ADC and your self slowly fall behind in xp and make your ADC 100% more useless. Or go risk going to the bot lane with the inability to push lane out with out safety. Behing that tower is either down or a fed duo still there, i think its a healthy thing for players to learn a little about being fine with being carried if you already screwed yourself in a lane. Or worst if you get trolled and are now behind and now must play like it rather than coming in to other lanes that are there and take all that lanes lead away. Learn when to see you are now a body to take damage for a carry and when you are the carry. What can make this worst is when the support decides ADC is bad so I'll go take that top or bot cs rather than giving it to the mid or top. feeding into mid now has no where to go and loss's all lead and adc makes no gains.
So, haven't played LoL in years (always solo queue because everybody I knew quit LoL way before me). Did Riot make chat not a thing anymore already? Because honestly, I can take losing a game because our team did badly. It's a game, it's supposed to be like that. What made me quit LoL was most of the games I was playing started to feel like they were decided 5-10 minutes in by which team started flaming each other first. I wasn't feeling good even when I won, because I could see the enemy team trolling, and that meant I would win regardless of whether I was playing well or not. At some point, I realized I wasn't having fun anymore because both winning and losing felt bad.
12:44 alright but what is this advice, like on video you're like ''don't get baited into making bad decisions because of teammates'' and here you're like ''go with it even if it's bad''
As long as i understand the point of "trust in yourself" as a carry champion, how are you going to climb if you are playing enchanter support if you ignore your teammates calls (which will just straight tilt them)? I am a low elo (plat) player who simply cant imagine ignoring the team. it always ends up with them just giving up
I think another issue with players is them not trying to learn each role at least to a certain extent before deciding on one role to main. I have played every single role a fair amount of times to at least get an idea of the best things to do. A lot of players don't know what to do when objs are coming up
I think objectives are great for forced fights. At low elo if a team puts higher prio on objectives they usually win. When im on a team that just gives objectives we pretty much always lose. As a jungler im used to taking objectives solo but im risking their jungler interrupting me at low hp, winning the 1v1, and stealing the objective. But when I have even 1 teammates that cares about objs it makes a world of difference. Also the timing of objectives seems perfect for fights in between laning pushes
The most beautiful thing in low elo is a jungle that tries to invade with enemy team with better lvl 1 team fight, and you dont go know that but the jungler blames you when he dies in that fight and now only show up in your lane to steal cs. Its like, he made a bad call that become a mistake and somehow its your faught for not following him to death
imo what's better than that is the support or ADC players that will make the invade call for you on jg, especially when you're playing a jungler that's useless without gold and levels and they just walk in by themself and die like idk if they get tilted because nobody is coming to their idiotic call so they decide to just run it down into the enemy jungle instead of just backing off and then of course I'm at fault for the support/adc dying because I didn't go to an invade call that I didn't even ping for. most of the time they're a hook champ like pyke or thresh and they think just because they can hook your team will win lvl 1.
I can't express just how much I agree with what's being said at around 7 minutes. When my botlane pings dragon, I immediately assume they have prio. Then I check the situation and see neither mid or bot has prio. I just ignore the ping...
One of the most frustrating things by far as an adc main is having a support who thinks they're supposed to hit the minions AT ALL TIMES. This used to not bother me much a long time ago before I knew how wave management works but now it's one of the most infuriating things a support can do. They just auto the minions or sometimes even spam abilities on the wave whenever they can because I guess in their mind they think "well that's just what you're supposed to do in lane!" When in reality the support needing to hit the minions outside of proccing their support item is only the case for certain scenarios, but they don't even know that. I love support players who know their role and do what they can to execute on it, but supports who don't understand how wave management works or recall timing are the absolute worst. I got griefed by one support recently where me and the enemy adc traded kills, but their support and adc died, where only I died, so my support sees a big minion wave and decides to recall instead of shoving real quick to crash the wave while the enemy adc is dead. What we end up with is the enemy adc having plenty of time to soak the exp from the entire huge minion wave and having a sizeable exp lead for the rest of the lane. My support clearly thought that only kills matter and just didn't even think to crash the wave until I told him but by then it was too late. Now it's fair to say I could've played better individually to avoid the situation of having to rely on my support to do the correct thing, but still, it's just very tiresome getting supports to have no clue of the responsibilities of their role. Meanwhile the enemy support makes sure to always prevent the wave from crashing and freezes it for their adc whenever they can.
This is so relatable, I have two different friends that I play ADC with, one is Iron and one is high diamond and the difference is like night and day. I have to practically yell at my Iron support friend to stop hitting the wave constantly and to no reengage a fight with the enemy bot lane duo+jungler after I get killed and he still almost every time I guess thinks 'I can hit them with one more ability for 20 damage' and dies under tower for free. Meanwhile the Diamond Support I play Clash with knows exactly when to push waves for a crash, when to not hit wave and even when to leave lane to roam at good times while I'm getting safe free farm under tower so I can get that delicious solo gold/xp. I'm not even an ADC main i'm a mid main but I usually end up getting shoved into bot when playing with friends.
That same setup, but with voli w. You get to hop to your mark, running past the enemy damage with E, and you can spam it in fights, since the cd is only 4 secs
ok man but you are telling me first to not fall stupid calls and leave people die.and the 5 mis later that, even if a call is bad, if you are there u should commit and go with the team. so what should I do? hahahahah
Both, if one or two people are making a bad call then you leave them. If you know that something puts a win condition in danger, stay away from it. But not grouping with your team can also significantly lower their survivability rate along with their chance of success on a play that is going to happen with our without you. And every situation is different. Experience and game knowledge will help you distinguish which is which. If you’re low elo it’s probably best to stick with your team when they are grouped and leave one or two people making a mistake alone.
I might be high iron or low bronze... Its so funny to me seeing FF 14 or ppl complaining about doing or not doing something, when the whole game are coinflips, we coinflip 5v5, objectives, turrets and so on. Based on my experience, in this elo, you cant never tell who wins, no matter what. Yet ppl in my elo think they are challenger and that a simple mistake determines the game 😂😂
This litterally happened in my last few games, people greed for another wave/plate and leave me with no prio yet they ping the objectives...this season is so frustrating to play in. Never had a negative winrate, but this season i have it on both my accounts..
While I agree that supports should roam when they aren't needed bot, the problem with low elo is that alot of adcs don't know how to farm without their hands being held. If you try to roam even with the wave in a good state for you to roam they spam ping, get tilted and then grief your game. So I personally stay in bot when I can see that I have an adc that doesn't know wave management or positioning because otherwise they uber feed then spam ping that it's all my fault and try to get the enemy to report me for griefing as well.
yeah its really hard if the adc doesnt know the wave is pushing back and he can chill for a bit. Often times they greed for one minion and die for it, spam ping the support roaming. Bonus points when your roam didn't end up being the gamewinning mega play
@@Chrissi33004 yeah I appreciate the validation of knowing me ignoring bad plays and trying to play "correctly" has been the right calls. Practically though that rarely works in low elo games because you are playing with people that don't understand and go from 0-100 in milliseconds if you don't back their bad plays. I tried to improve my positioning and macro alot last year when I was playing daily alot but it feels bad to try to do that and get griefed for it, ie Zyra top taking jungle camps and abandoning lane because jungle couldn't gank with them shoving the wave the entire time.
This is exactly why you are in low elo then. You need to just mute all and stick to a play you decide even if it makes your ad angry. Because if your play really was correct and roaming in X position and Y map state is correct your ad shouldn’t die to anything that’s obvious. Then you get more map pressure and impact. Like you are responsible for your own play so if you get tilted of pings either mute them or get good enough to where it doesn’t matter to you. Don’t get me wrong this happens even in masters but at the end you need to be making the “best plays” not just the safest or one that seems ok or good at the time
@@wchye9734 you missed the point of my comment entirely. The adc does die to obvious things, they shove the wave under enemy turret when they are alone then die. I do mute all and when they spam ping I mute. I can put pressure in both solo lanes, help jungle taking top obj and any camps they go for up there and my adc will still full shove their wave and die, tilt off it and grief the game. What you have said I should be doing I have tried doing but I'm also rarely in straight solo games so it's very difficult to win games when your adc who is in a trio tilts and and gets their teammates to completely grief games. I've never said I play perfectly but I spent the better part of last year trying to get better at macro, positioning, etc and it sucks still trying to do what I know I should be doing and having teammates not understand that. I get your point but I've lost too many games to adc griefing off this as support to not want this to happen every single game.
@@premieress2623 then your problem is you probably dont play enough rank games. Because it cant be every game like this or you are just really remembering these games since you are so caught up in LP instead of learning and improvement. Because if you are really doing what you say you are, over the course of enough sample size you would climb and those games where the ad griefs dont matter
13:00 completely disagree. Rakan was 100% right, the call was to back off, it was dumb to keep going, when I had this mentality to all in at bad calls I was silver, when I start to ignore dumb teammates calls who always plays agroo and takes huge risks for small rewards, I climbed to diamond.
Honestly I was hoping for true LOW ELO MISTAKES. Yah know, like the title says it is. Diamond mistakes are not even in the same league as what my teammates do.
I think to a challenger player anything below Masters is considered "low elo" but yeah I was also kinda hoping for at least a few silver or bronze things but it makes sense why they don't want to just have a whole video ragging of Bronze/silver players who might just be newer to the game and are playing ranked when they really shouldn't be yet, and having it all be diamond players also shows that what you might think of as a high elo player as a bronze or silver player also regularly make autopilot bad decisions that will throw them them the lane
challegers wouldn't have a reason to hate low elo if they would just stay in their own rank instead of ruining ranked games for low elo players like the rest of the smurfs/account boosters do. NA server is flooded with smurfs and boosters...
I had a game yesterday where the Hwei constantly kept bragging about him being more skilled than arsol and how it was jungle diff (I played ekko) after the guy holds a quarterlane distance to every teamfight, cannot force arsol in lane and overall only steals kills without being able to translate his lead into anything. And then spams jungle diff because I couldnt get any drakes because im sorry that I cant 1v4 against nunu, arsol, ashe and support aurora feom lvl4 without my team rotating. Ofc we lost becauae my team had 0 coordination. Shen and I went in and instead of anyone taking advantage that we ate everything fed kaisa and few hwei decide to back off and reenagae when we are apl dead. Low elo players are a nightmare to play with
One of the problems with the “Objective Minded” individuals is that they never focus on their own objective. It may not be as straightforward as “kill dragon” but every position does have its own objective.
On the topic of "objective focused" people in low elo, I'm in about mid bronze rn, peaked silver last split, and play with a Clash team that's roughly Diamond, I had an enemy team in a flex game literally throw the game to get one dragon, idk if they were thinking they wanted to contest us getting soul but the entire enemy team went through our vision in the bot side jungle to go take dragon, and they got it completely uncontested because we were already most of the way up mid lane with a minion wave to take their open nexus that they didn't leave ANYONE to guard and none of them could back fast enough to stop it. After that game I will never underestimate low elo player's ability to literally make game losing dragon calls, sometimes even taking the dragon uncontested is a net loss lol.
Great video but the only single thing I disagree with here is I do 100% think fiora should push the wave for as many plates as she can when shen ults away. Then recall and return with an item ahead. No?
No. Fiora has no Tiamat, the only way that 1 plate is worth the tempo loss is if she can clear the wave thats already under shens tower. Otherwise Shen will have time to push in the lane and will have prio for the river. If Fiora backed when the wave was crashing, she can arrive back before Shen can fully push in the wave. Shen has to decide then to finish the slow pushing wave with item disadvantage, or sack the wave and help river. Fiora can set up a freeze either way, coz he has item advantage and a broken a,ss champion, but no brain.
12:21 was quite deceptive because a person playing that game woul understand that shen has ult. Getting mad at the rakan for understanding that is just weird imo
I just started rank (iron) and in my time playing I had recive multiple threats and got called multiple slurs and the best part was a mastery 500 Kai sa telling me that she hoped my whole family was killed by not so family friend means
I don’t mind playing with bad/stupid players. What is the most annoying is those who get titled and won’t stop bitching in the chat. Like they actually think saying “jgl diff” or “your bad” is actually going to make things any better. You’re supposed to encourage your team not discourage.
I will tell you right now I beleive there are far less true "noobs" in this game anymore. I would estimate upwards of 95% or more are just paid for accounts used by smurfs in beginners ELO or players on alt accounts. It destroys the experience for new players in league. I am constantly finding myself with my main account in games plagued with alt account smurfs. A level 31 players with 80% Kill Participation and a 90% Win rate. Snowballing to gold at level 34, and plat by level 40. SIck of it. Riot has no answer to stop it. This game is overrun with alt account players that discourage true noobs from learning ranked play. They leave, and more alt account players fill those slots during matchmaking.
13:12 Yeah, honestly most of the time, I'm upset at either getting cc'd for 10 consecutive seconds, or because my team does literally jack shit, most of the times it's a combination of both, my team just watches me die as I get cc'd. I usually play champs with engage but no disengage.
I learned more in this video than in any other, and probably, the most important of skills for consistent climbing. Thank you very much, crazy this is free.
"But hey, they're silver, right?. They couldn't have known any better, cut them some slack, right? Yeah, well, I guess Diamond players do sometimes look like they're in silver" 😂😂🤣🤣
I really disagree with a lot of the points in this video. A jungler asking for help even though they can solo the objective is 100% valid, because killing a dragon even 1 second faster can be the difference between taking or losing the objectjve. And, of course, theres the obvious advantage of having people to zone the enemy team while youre doing objective. As for the Fiora bit... If this were a video about top lane, youd criticize Yi for trying to contest the grubs while she was pressing the advantage top and farming extra gold while Shen was away. This stuff is very inconsistent.
Yea the yi inted trying to contest but the fiora did too. And for the objective part yes janna could hover but in no world should she try to dps the dragon
7:48 i do this to because when i know that the enemy jgler is comming I need atleast a temmate that can zone him so that the drake does not gets stolen. Not like I cant solo it but 2 guys is scarier than one. What do you think?
It’s not that I’m scared to solo the dragon but more that I’m tracking the enemy jungler and don’t want to have to smite fight or even get killed. Just one helpful hand is all I need.
@@BulletmarshinIf you're scared of the enemy jungler killing you, why are you even doing drake 😭 y'all make no sense. Sounds like "there's no set up for me so I'm just mindlessly flipping the objective and praying my teammates bail me out" which is exactly what he's pointing out
@@UFOJo974if u started drag and they had vision but enemy jg is sprint from opposite side then ya, u need someone who can zone off enemy jg. It’s situational, not mandatory. Even as adc i can zone off the enemy jg and still help with drag, just get in between in case enemy jg wants to dive in for it. It’s to block a steal.
The mosz infuriating thing anyone can do is type shiit like "You don't deserve to win." To their own teammates. Gets instant mutes from me. I literally suffered through a game once, where my hgl and adc were just riling each other up, insulting each other more and more. My jgl just afk farmed scubtle while I almost won a 1v2 right next to him and then my adc decided to just afk farm for the rest of the game. The funny part is, that we almost won the game. I was sooo fed, that I almost managed to carry those fools. I then made 1 stupid mistake and we lost. But I don't think I will ever forget that game. It literally took me a whole day to calm down after it.
Jungler main here, i'm one of those guys who spam ping for help on drakes. The reason i do this is because i play weak early champs, i ping because i'm scared if their jungler will come and 1v1 me. Why is this extremely bad?
Love when people call me troll for not going in for ganks/fights that are a waste of time, then i kill both nexus turrets by myself with supers while everyone is fighting some random fight in the jungle. Dont listen to bad calls guys.
the objective thing is prob my bad I play ADC and if my jungler is doing his bot side, i push my wave into enemy tower and start drag while waiting for my jungler to arrive or my support and I just take dragon as our jungler leaves bot, recalls and goes to grubs when we already started dragon for them :
im unironically high elo consistently on kayn and wouldve died the same way, in lower elos as jg, just learn the patterns of the enemy and cheese them in the first 4 mins of the game, deny their game before their laners can even do anything about it and you will find a lot of success. this wont work past diamond but until then it will get you a very high winrate.
Will be honest... i just started playing this game last week... and about 75% of the games i have queued up in just random quick play have ended up with multiple afkers or the team trying to surrender in the first five minutes... Been struggling to play long enough to actually learn how to play. I have had like two actually fun good games at least. Hope it gets better or i may just play only co-op and swarm... at least had fun doing those games.
I was thinking the same thing. He had no CC, and his Q and autos do no damage, so he would have died and the ADC would have died. But still, the Shen ult would have gone off because the enemy ADC came forward when Rakan went back. If Rakan had pushed, the ADC would have hidden behind the tower, and they surely would have got the enemy ADC, so it might have been a 2-for-2 trade. But if Shen E'd (taunted) two of them, it would have been a 3-for-2 trade. So it's hard to judge - it still depends on the players' micro and skill.
@@SCK-47 Master Yi and Ezreal has enough damage to burst through the Jinx even through the shield together, but because Rakan leaves the tower range, Master Yi takes a tower shot and has to back off, removing his dps and letting Shen complete the channel.
@@SCK-47 It isn't about his CC, tanking turret aggro allows your teammates time to finish kills. While rakan doesn't do much damage with his autos, ezreal and yi do a lot, and they can do it freely under turret if he plays this correctly. I don't even mind much if all 3 of them die but jinx dies and loses that wave.
This. I LOVE playing jungle but just yesterday I lost a game where I had an 8/2 lead early and mid game cause my laners were brain dead and wasted every gank I gave them and gigafed till I couldn't carry.
We all have high expectations about our teammates and jg has the most interactions... We are also very egocentric, so even if a jg is doing well, laners might think bad of jg because jg didn't help them as much, even if you are 7/0 or 5/0 as a jg...
Same goes for junglers. More than enough stupid junglers that ignore overpushed enemies, giveaway objectives without taking something in return and just overall dont do anything when there are enough good options. Had junglers 0/0/1 15-20 min in. They might aswel have been bots.
@@killer30556 Just because they are pushed doesn't mean they are a good gank opportunity. Junglers cant be everywhere and their clearing is important early game.
@@killer30556makes no sense ganking lanes that are losing/getting pushed in in my opinion. Sometimes yes, it can happen that a weak enemy is pushing his lane but that is just straight up griefing. What happens MOST OF THE TIME is you have a guy that is hard losing, getting perma pushed in/proxied and asking for ganks because "he is pushing". You are literally flipping the play at that point, cause if enemy jungle comes, you will HARD LOSE in the 2v2 with for instance a shitty top laner. I, as a jungle main (granted i am only emerald) would much rather play towards a winning lane EVEN if they are pushing permanently. We can still dive. We can still invade their side of enemy jungle. We can still get free objectives on that side of the map. Actually diving a lane that has a 3 stacked wave going to enemy tower is one of the most GUARANTEED ganks you can do. So no, jungle should keep farming if all his lanes are losing and getting pushed in.
A big mistake learning jungle I was always wanting to get every single objective and if I my team wasn't responding (even if they had prio) I would lose my mind. I changed my mindset a bit on this.
Do people genuinely find it toxic to ping something 3 times? Because I do that, not to be toxic, but because I VERY OFTEN miss things in chat, but if 3 pings comes fast, like a drake spawning (no sound ping, those I only do once) I ALWAYS see it. So I am doing it because I LIKE it when other players do it. (I am not talking about 5-6 pings > "you have to wait x s to ping again", just, 2-3 times on soundless pings, like cooldowns, or if someone flashes)
My biggest league irritation is when I as a player do everything correct to shut down my counterpart, they have no farm, no kills, many deaths, And all they need to do is roam bot to become a avengers level threat again, despite the fact bot had vision and ample time to back off
Well, when every single game has a troller/afk/inter/10 year old kid it's impossible to escape low elo. I've been d1 for 3 seasons now and I simply cannot carry a plat IV game. It's literally unplayable
I am the bad yuumi, fucking up your lane lol then when they get mad at me, I say "hey, this is iron here get over it" and they say "no its bronze or silver" I say "I doubt I was the only one here thats been boosted"
0:17 The way this literally happened to me yesterday... I was playing master Yi and I dove bottom for a triple kill then I shoved the next wave and took a plate before backing and my adc was beyond pissed
I know I'm a bad player but I disagree with your trigger 2 complaint. @12:50 ish. I agree both players have to be on the same page but it's assumed playing safe when no one pings. I didn't see a ping from yi and they were already ahead thanks to the kill. It could just have easily been that yi just pinged for help and I would have agreed.
So what you are saying is... that actually low elo players get to fight challengers sometimes, which rigs the dices, get them more salty, hence they tilt, so they tilt the other players for their next games. Ahhh yes.
9:07 I don’t always want help, so I should ping or chat something else, but I often just want the laners to pay attention to if their laner begins to leave for dragon & to follow them.
Not to out myself but I fall into the description of the objective player (and I'm a support main ironically lol) but I don't do it for the reasons the narrator explained. I'll ping objectives as a reminder, yes, but it's only to bring attention to /something that will happen soon/. For me, it's not a "ping ping ping we need to be ready to do this" ping, it's a "this thing is happening soon in the game, prepare if it MAKES SENSE". I feel like it should be understood that pings DO NOT mean a forced action must occur and that seems to be the view in the point that was made in this video. I get pings from team mates all of the time and ignore them if they don't make sense. Why shouldn't I assume others view them the same way? If an obj makes sense, let's do it. If it doesn't, let's not. I definitely watch the objs so I can ward the area early so that we have an understanding of what's going on around it, that's my job but that by no means means we HAVE to do anything around it?
@TheNerdArmory That’s fine, but that might be your case, normally it isn’t like that. The issue are not the pings themselves, the issue has to do with the mentality, if you don’t have that mentality, that’s nice, but many players do, and those mentalities ruin games.
Froze the wave and recalled in the bush. Recall completed and I check the map for the wave. And support cast Lucent Singularity on the entire enemy wave...
No, my allies do NOT have the right to expect that I will execute on their ideas just because I'm in the area unless I actually communicate that I'm going to do so.
I agree with everything other then the bot lane analysis. Bot wave is pushing. Jinx is one hp with no sup to peel her. Pushing the wave and diving with 3 stacked waves is 100% better. Also doing this resets the turret aggro and possibly even denies shen ult
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This is how I feel right now in Masters in WR
When will u release a clear guide that includes actually clears for every champion and from either buffs
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Oh no, it's french 🙃
Confidence or confidance
@@LmfaoDig 5:27 😂
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Bro got so pissed he made a video out of it😂😂 love it. A lot of players think their so good while contesting a drake without their jungler and dying
And that while the play at 1:34 was 100% his own fault. "As kayn you have done everything right" and blaming his azir for that happening is so ultra bronze.
@@notlisztening9821 well technically in the clip Kayn has no way of really knowing where Katarina went, and if Azir had backed and returned to lane at the right time Katarina would still be pinned in lane and there would have been no reason for Daruis to rotate to the blue buff. Still not a reason to blame your team mates, and Kayn did try to run away as soon as he crossed the wall and saw the two enemies, as far as he knew Katarina could have gone to dive his bot lane or help with dragon which I think would be safer assumptions. but I also have never been in Diamond so idk if rotating to kill a jungler on their buff is normal at that elo cuz it isn't in silver XD
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@@OneTruePeanutit 100% going to be done like that in diamond. That Katarina saw him on her vision cross the mid lane, that Darius was definitely watching his map. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve picked up free kills helping my own jg on invades in his jg. Plus by getting rid of enemy jg and keeping yours=free drags if he gets on it fast. Because we now have smite enemy does not.
Feels great to have priority on drake, low health enemies. Voids already taken.
And jg paths top side from base. Just to lose drake. 3 or 4 times in a row. All game long.
I dont even feel like this video is a guide, it's more like "yo check out this dumb shit people do"
It’s a good guide about mentality, if you see it like that it’s because you don’t understand the message
I think it was ok, but they should probably have removed the ign:s of the players... 😕
@ignacioruhe2987 but is it just me or does he sound like the one with bad mental?
I don’t think so
And this guide helps understanding what really happens in MANY soloq games, it answers WHY games become unplayable or frustrating. If the players of those example games understood what this video tries to explain, those games would have become much less frustrating for them. But, for example in the Yi game, neither the laners nor the jungler understood that.
I’m new to the game and I’m so scared to queue. Ppl say I’m a bot or ff but I just don’t know what I’m doing 😞
Don't worry about the concepts in this video they're for more experienced players who have hit a plateau and already have an understanding of the basics.
If you're genuinely very new and it's your first ranked season focus on trying to understand how minion waves work and when to play offense/defense and how to take good base timings. Laning should be 99% of your focus until you can play without thinking about it. Odds are in your starting rank laning is what matters the most anyways.
Honestly i sometimes forget this when i play. I just assume everyone has played for 10+ years. I kinda feel bad about flaming some people now 😂
I’m in the same boat and I find it helps to lean into it at champ select eg “hey all I’m new so any advice or pings to help in game would be appreciated!” Usually when you show that it tends to trigger people’s good side because they have context for your behavior
@@pollifpj definitely will start doing that more but I try play with others that know the game better to also help not look new 😭
Try practicing vs bots, and playing normals with friends. It's ok to be bad, ignore flame and do your best ❤
For the Yi game, literally everyone was grieving, even if he kept his cool, the game is still likely lost the moment team fights start happening. It is arguably not worth it to extend so much effort to just bet for that 1% win probability. (from a semi casual perspective)
It is still the right mindset to go about it. Even if it's lost, make the right decisions. That's how you climb. By making the right decisions always.
Probably closer to 10% chance to win, at least 5%. Remember, enemy team has idiots too.
you just added something else to hate about low elo, the giving uppers.
I love how the "annoying silver teammates" example is actually the best thing you could wish for becasue at least you can carry the game
Literally!!! It's so hard to carry in bronze and iron because they can't play alongside you and just throw all the built up advantage away because they just suddenly decide to play for kills instead of actually making sure we can get to the enemy base and destroy their nexus.
What's a nexus? I thought this was tdm.
@@4rifr0mthe3nd there needs to be way more focus for low elo players on how to be carried vs. carrying the game itself.
@@4rifr0mthe3nd ohhhh yes... i dont get why they always jump into the fed enemys with a two level lead. Are they not able to understand, that they cant win the fight.
@@Mashedtadersyes and no.
Those players won't tend to watch guides. Which is why they will stay low.
But for those that do. The guides will just tell them to play yuumi and do nothing. Because we all play with
1. Afk ez who never hits enemy champions.
2. Mids that never roam ever.
3. Junglers that are never seen by enemies until the last fight. Etc.
These guides just tend to tell people to "Do nothing" for 40 mins.
Which would be okay for smurfing, but imagine playing leona or malphite and never getting followup. Ever.
Because those games feel terrible.
Watching iron level positioning not be punished because you have an iron mechanics afk ez/lux/jayce/etc.
You literally have guides that say to ping the objectives before they spawn so people know to get ready for the objectives....🤦 Just because people move into unwarded river doesn't mean the pings on the objectives were wrong.
Came here to say this
Even tho , those videos are making a lot of people ignoring calls that they
are important . so the tip he said
When someone pings u ignore them and have confidence with ur self is not ok
Hahahah are u seriously getting paid buy riot bro? Wtf is that tip
Get ur * together
God forbid a support pings an objective TIMER for AWARENESS. Absolutely terrible example and will result in poor map awareness in any new watching players. Shameful Challenger advice.
@@harryhorton4863 stick to your silver games and stop spouting nonsense pls
@@harryhorton4863 did u not watch the video? pinging the drake was a symptom not the disease
8:46 Ekko already threw his q in the scuttle vision
Doesn’t show unless enemy jg is using camera time for an early dragon, which is never even in high elo. Camera time is almost always spent on lane states and kiting camps efficiently
Spotting that Ekko Q is extremely difficult to do unless you anticipate it happening and have your camera ON dragon AT that moment. However, A janna who appears blatantly on your map is way easier to spot and pulls attention
abilities don't show on the minimap, the other jungler would have to have his camera over dragon to notice
i completely feel that, i know its a bad example but shows the mentality in low elo:
Warwick matchup into Briar, i invade her bluebuff with my team before Spawn, force her off, take her blue and immediately go mid where i kill the enemy Zed for my Katarina. Wave is slowpushing into her, she got tp, enemy doesnt. I go to farm Raptors, while she is spam pinging me and messing up her wave big time. She takes a dumb back after it, dies to the lvl 3 zed, tilts, only insults in chat and runs down mid and other lanes from there on.
We actually dragged this game out to 40 mins or so and almost won but lost one teamfight 4v5.
About the Decision making, if you choose wrong, you might lose but if you not choose, you are 100% lose no matter what. In low elo, it's extremely easy to turn wrong decision to be opportunity.
The mistake players make is queuing lol.. We're essentially opting to play a game that will give us a random teammates, random roles, and if you try to leave you get penalized. The more you get penalized the harsher it gets. Would anyone watch Worlds if the players got random roles?
The fact we lose the same LP as two teammates who are 1/8 and 0/10 by 12 minutes is insane.
The fact we opt to play a role and don't get it but have to play anyways is insane. "it's fair because it happens to everyone" That's insane.
Maybe implementing some form of group searching tool for 5v5 flex MIGHT offset the randomness of this, but that doesn't exist from what I understand?
Watch a Gold/Plat player climb through bronze and silver. It is depressing despite technically being more skilled.
It's not as painful when a diamond or higher climbs through but it's still noticeable.
Adding - I used skill cap coach a couple years ago and one of the games I played that he reviewed he said I did good that game but my teammates made it unplayable
I feel like an important detail to note here is that we're looking at the difference between people who know how to play and people who don't. There's much more fault on the person who knows how to play but chose to rage than the person who doesn't know how to play and is just not good at the game.
pinging drake doesnt mean they want to do it on spawn it could also mean " yo drake is about to come up we need to prepare "
I think the jng pinged for help, not out of "NEED HELP! ALWAYS!" but rather cause enemies had vision on drake and was scared he's gonna get ambused; I could be wrong.
My biggest issue with teammates is that they never seem to respect my ‘wait for a big cooldown’ pings, like dude my ult has 11 seconds left on cd; I know sitting in the bush is boring, but why flip if we have a guaranteed win (summoners or kill) if you wait a bit…
Facts!!!!!
As a new player to LOL i can say whats most annoying in low Elo is that in every second game you got some fkin smurfs in the enemy team that wipe the floor with you, while your own team genuinly sux. I mean its okay to be a bad player so thats why its frustrating that better players create smurf accs just to have some easy wins
I have a very simple rule when I'm jungling
I'm the jungler, I decide when someone gets a gank or a jungle objective gets done
So, if I'm not playing a jungler that can dive and the enemy is pushed up against turret, you're not getting a gank no matter how much you want one - it's my time you're wasting if that 50/50 doesn't work
If an objective is up but I don't know where the enemy jungler is, we're not taking that objective until we find them, I don't care if you've got prio I'm not risking leashing an objective for another jungler
If you get ganked and I'm on the other side of the map, I'm not counter ganking I'm invading to see if I can steal any camps or soloing an objective
Yes it's selfish, but I know the jungle better than my lane main teammates do; so I'm confident that my calls are better than theirs when it comes to jungle macro
I also do that kind of thing as a jungler, but sometimes in late game my teammates try do objectives while I'm dead or elsewhere on the map. You just can't do anything to that.
I will never stop laughing at challengers smurfing and then complaining about their bad team.
My biggest complaint about league is.... The I can carry but currently aren't so I'm going mid as ADC and now mid no longer gets safe first tower farm now it goes to the 40+ less farm and behind adc over the even or far ahead mid lanner. Now mid needs to either share xp and steal all the gold making the ADC and your self slowly fall behind in xp and make your ADC 100% more useless. Or go risk going to the bot lane with the inability to push lane out with out safety. Behing that tower is either down or a fed duo still there, i think its a healthy thing for players to learn a little about being fine with being carried if you already screwed yourself in a lane. Or worst if you get trolled and are now behind and now must play like it rather than coming in to other lanes that are there and take all that lanes lead away. Learn when to see you are now a body to take damage for a carry and when you are the carry. What can make this worst is when the support decides ADC is bad so I'll go take that top or bot cs rather than giving it to the mid or top. feeding into mid now has no where to go and loss's all lead and adc makes no gains.
Ok but that yi is smurfing lmao. Killing the ward into dodging Ali was crazy
So, haven't played LoL in years (always solo queue because everybody I knew quit LoL way before me). Did Riot make chat not a thing anymore already?
Because honestly, I can take losing a game because our team did badly. It's a game, it's supposed to be like that.
What made me quit LoL was most of the games I was playing started to feel like they were decided 5-10 minutes in by which team started flaming each other first.
I wasn't feeling good even when I won, because I could see the enemy team trolling, and that meant I would win regardless of whether I was playing well or not. At some point, I realized I wasn't having fun anymore because both winning and losing felt bad.
12:44 alright but what is this advice, like on video you're like ''don't get baited into making bad decisions because of teammates'' and here you're like ''go with it even if it's bad''
As long as i understand the point of "trust in yourself" as a carry champion, how are you going to climb if you are playing enchanter support if you ignore your teammates calls (which will just straight tilt them)? I am a low elo (plat) player who simply cant imagine ignoring the team. it always ends up with them just giving up
Thanks. Now as a jungler no one comes to objectives except the enemy team ofc.
I think another issue with players is them not trying to learn each role at least to a certain extent before deciding on one role to main.
I have played every single role a fair amount of times to at least get an idea of the best things to do.
A lot of players don't know what to do when objs are coming up
I think objectives are great for forced fights. At low elo if a team puts higher prio on objectives they usually win. When im on a team that just gives objectives we pretty much always lose. As a jungler im used to taking objectives solo but im risking their jungler interrupting me at low hp, winning the 1v1, and stealing the objective. But when I have even 1 teammates that cares about objs it makes a world of difference. Also the timing of objectives seems perfect for fights in between laning pushes
The most beautiful thing in low elo is a jungle that tries to invade with enemy team with better lvl 1 team fight, and you dont go know that but the jungler blames you when he dies in that fight and now only show up in your lane to steal cs. Its like, he made a bad call that become a mistake and somehow its your faught for not following him to death
imo what's better than that is the support or ADC players that will make the invade call for you on jg, especially when you're playing a jungler that's useless without gold and levels and they just walk in by themself and die like idk if they get tilted because nobody is coming to their idiotic call so they decide to just run it down into the enemy jungle instead of just backing off and then of course I'm at fault for the support/adc dying because I didn't go to an invade call that I didn't even ping for. most of the time they're a hook champ like pyke or thresh and they think just because they can hook your team will win lvl 1.
I can't express just how much I agree with what's being said at around 7 minutes. When my botlane pings dragon, I immediately assume they have prio. Then I check the situation and see neither mid or bot has prio. I just ignore the ping...
One of the most frustrating things by far as an adc main is having a support who thinks they're supposed to hit the minions AT ALL TIMES. This used to not bother me much a long time ago before I knew how wave management works but now it's one of the most infuriating things a support can do. They just auto the minions or sometimes even spam abilities on the wave whenever they can because I guess in their mind they think "well that's just what you're supposed to do in lane!" When in reality the support needing to hit the minions outside of proccing their support item is only the case for certain scenarios, but they don't even know that. I love support players who know their role and do what they can to execute on it, but supports who don't understand how wave management works or recall timing are the absolute worst. I got griefed by one support recently where me and the enemy adc traded kills, but their support and adc died, where only I died, so my support sees a big minion wave and decides to recall instead of shoving real quick to crash the wave while the enemy adc is dead. What we end up with is the enemy adc having plenty of time to soak the exp from the entire huge minion wave and having a sizeable exp lead for the rest of the lane. My support clearly thought that only kills matter and just didn't even think to crash the wave until I told him but by then it was too late. Now it's fair to say I could've played better individually to avoid the situation of having to rely on my support to do the correct thing, but still, it's just very tiresome getting supports to have no clue of the responsibilities of their role. Meanwhile the enemy support makes sure to always prevent the wave from crashing and freezes it for their adc whenever they can.
This is so relatable, I have two different friends that I play ADC with, one is Iron and one is high diamond and the difference is like night and day. I have to practically yell at my Iron support friend to stop hitting the wave constantly and to no reengage a fight with the enemy bot lane duo+jungler after I get killed and he still almost every time I guess thinks 'I can hit them with one more ability for 20 damage' and dies under tower for free. Meanwhile the Diamond Support I play Clash with knows exactly when to push waves for a crash, when to not hit wave and even when to leave lane to roam at good times while I'm getting safe free farm under tower so I can get that delicious solo gold/xp. I'm not even an ADC main i'm a mid main but I usually end up getting shoved into bot when playing with friends.
That same setup, but with voli w. You get to hop to your mark, running past the enemy damage with E, and you can spam it in fights, since the cd is only 4 secs
ok man but you are telling me first to not fall stupid calls and leave people die.and the 5 mis later that, even if a call is bad, if you are there u should commit and go with the team. so what should I do? hahahahah
Both, if one or two people are making a bad call then you leave them. If you know that something puts a win condition in danger, stay away from it. But not grouping with your team can also significantly lower their survivability rate along with their chance of success on a play that is going to happen with our without you. And every situation is different. Experience and game knowledge will help you distinguish which is which. If you’re low elo it’s probably best to stick with your team when they are grouped and leave one or two people making a mistake alone.
7:00 I can't. I just can't!!! Whoever is talking I am your fan for life. I am LMAO right now.
I might be high iron or low bronze... Its so funny to me seeing FF 14 or ppl complaining about doing or not doing something, when the whole game are coinflips, we coinflip 5v5, objectives, turrets and so on. Based on my experience, in this elo, you cant never tell who wins, no matter what. Yet ppl in my elo think they are challenger and that a simple mistake determines the game 😂😂
Insightful video. I appreciate how it highlights something from most of the roles on what they were doing to unintentionally influence bad outcomes.
this video was amazing, its so frustrating to see the engage support always die last, after he didn't wanna commit to the play
This litterally happened in my last few games, people greed for another wave/plate and leave me with no prio yet they ping the objectives...this season is so frustrating to play in. Never had a negative winrate, but this season i have it on both my accounts..
While I agree that supports should roam when they aren't needed bot, the problem with low elo is that alot of adcs don't know how to farm without their hands being held. If you try to roam even with the wave in a good state for you to roam they spam ping, get tilted and then grief your game. So I personally stay in bot when I can see that I have an adc that doesn't know wave management or positioning because otherwise they uber feed then spam ping that it's all my fault and try to get the enemy to report me for griefing as well.
yeah its really hard if the adc doesnt know the wave is pushing back and he can chill for a bit. Often times they greed for one minion and die for it, spam ping the support roaming. Bonus points when your roam didn't end up being the gamewinning mega play
@@Chrissi33004 yeah I appreciate the validation of knowing me ignoring bad plays and trying to play "correctly" has been the right calls. Practically though that rarely works in low elo games because you are playing with people that don't understand and go from 0-100 in milliseconds if you don't back their bad plays. I tried to improve my positioning and macro alot last year when I was playing daily alot but it feels bad to try to do that and get griefed for it, ie Zyra top taking jungle camps and abandoning lane because jungle couldn't gank with them shoving the wave the entire time.
This is exactly why you are in low elo then. You need to just mute all and stick to a play you decide even if it makes your ad angry. Because if your play really was correct and roaming in X position and Y map state is correct your ad shouldn’t die to anything that’s obvious. Then you get more map pressure and impact. Like you are responsible for your own play so if you get tilted of pings either mute them or get good enough to where it doesn’t matter to you. Don’t get me wrong this happens even in masters but at the end you need to be making the “best plays” not just the safest or one that seems ok or good at the time
@@wchye9734 you missed the point of my comment entirely. The adc does die to obvious things, they shove the wave under enemy turret when they are alone then die. I do mute all and when they spam ping I mute. I can put pressure in both solo lanes, help jungle taking top obj and any camps they go for up there and my adc will still full shove their wave and die, tilt off it and grief the game. What you have said I should be doing I have tried doing but I'm also rarely in straight solo games so it's very difficult to win games when your adc who is in a trio tilts and and gets their teammates to completely grief games. I've never said I play perfectly but I spent the better part of last year trying to get better at macro, positioning, etc and it sucks still trying to do what I know I should be doing and having teammates not understand that. I get your point but I've lost too many games to adc griefing off this as support to not want this to happen every single game.
@@premieress2623 then your problem is you probably dont play enough rank games. Because it cant be every game like this or you are just really remembering these games since you are so caught up in LP instead of learning and improvement. Because if you are really doing what you say you are, over the course of enough sample size you would climb and those games where the ad griefs dont matter
13:00 completely disagree. Rakan was 100% right, the call was to back off, it was dumb to keep going, when I had this mentality to all in at bad calls I was silver, when I start to ignore dumb teammates calls who always plays agroo and takes huge risks for small rewards, I climbed to diamond.
The mid-pings are valid. Mid-coming back with three kills is a bad time.
Honestly I was hoping for true LOW ELO MISTAKES. Yah know, like the title says it is. Diamond mistakes are not even in the same league as what my teammates do.
I think to a challenger player anything below Masters is considered "low elo" but yeah I was also kinda hoping for at least a few silver or bronze things but it makes sense why they don't want to just have a whole video ragging of Bronze/silver players who might just be newer to the game and are playing ranked when they really shouldn't be yet, and having it all be diamond players also shows that what you might think of as a high elo player as a bronze or silver player also regularly make autopilot bad decisions that will throw them them the lane
challegers wouldn't have a reason to hate low elo if they would just stay in their own rank instead of ruining ranked games for low elo players like the rest of the smurfs/account boosters do.
NA server is flooded with smurfs and boosters...
I had a game yesterday where the Hwei constantly kept bragging about him being more skilled than arsol and how it was jungle diff (I played ekko) after the guy holds a quarterlane distance to every teamfight, cannot force arsol in lane and overall only steals kills without being able to translate his lead into anything. And then spams jungle diff because I couldnt get any drakes because im sorry that I cant 1v4 against nunu, arsol, ashe and support aurora feom lvl4 without my team rotating. Ofc we lost becauae my team had 0 coordination. Shen and I went in and instead of anyone taking advantage that we ate everything fed kaisa and few hwei decide to back off and reenagae when we are apl dead. Low elo players are a nightmare to play with
As a Hwei main I hope this didn't give you a bad impression of us as a whole!
One of the problems with the “Objective Minded” individuals is that they never focus on their own objective. It may not be as straightforward as “kill dragon” but every position does have its own objective.
On the topic of "objective focused" people in low elo, I'm in about mid bronze rn, peaked silver last split, and play with a Clash team that's roughly Diamond, I had an enemy team in a flex game literally throw the game to get one dragon, idk if they were thinking they wanted to contest us getting soul but the entire enemy team went through our vision in the bot side jungle to go take dragon, and they got it completely uncontested because we were already most of the way up mid lane with a minion wave to take their open nexus that they didn't leave ANYONE to guard and none of them could back fast enough to stop it. After that game I will never underestimate low elo player's ability to literally make game losing dragon calls, sometimes even taking the dragon uncontested is a net loss lol.
Great video but the only single thing I disagree with here is I do 100% think fiora should push the wave for as many plates as she can when shen ults away. Then recall and return with an item ahead. No?
No. Fiora has no Tiamat, the only way that 1 plate is worth the tempo loss is if she can clear the wave thats already under shens tower. Otherwise Shen will have time to push in the lane and will have prio for the river. If Fiora backed when the wave was crashing, she can arrive back before Shen can fully push in the wave. Shen has to decide then to finish the slow pushing wave with item disadvantage, or sack the wave and help river. Fiora can set up a freeze either way, coz he has item advantage and a broken a,ss champion, but no brain.
12:21 was quite deceptive because a person playing that game woul understand that shen has ult. Getting mad at the rakan for understanding that is just weird imo
This video definitely comes across as more of a rant after some poor games rather than advice
I just started rank (iron) and in my time playing I had recive multiple threats and got called multiple slurs and the best part was a mastery 500 Kai sa telling me that she hoped my whole family was killed by not so family friend means
I don’t mind playing with bad/stupid players. What is the most annoying is those who get titled and won’t stop bitching in the chat. Like they actually think saying “jgl diff” or “your bad” is actually going to make things any better. You’re supposed to encourage your team not discourage.
That feeling when you play jungle and team spam pings you for their faults. Lost the coinflip I guess.
my guy just called diamonds low elo lol
what a beast
you conflict with yourself? you said " if a team mate takes a bad decision just let them die" now you are saying quite the opposite. at 12:43
I will tell you right now I beleive there are far less true "noobs" in this game anymore. I would estimate upwards of 95% or more are just paid for accounts used by smurfs in beginners ELO or players on alt accounts. It destroys the experience for new players in league. I am constantly finding myself with my main account in games plagued with alt account smurfs. A level 31 players with 80% Kill Participation and a 90% Win rate. Snowballing to gold at level 34, and plat by level 40. SIck of it. Riot has no answer to stop it. This game is overrun with alt account players that discourage true noobs from learning ranked play. They leave, and more alt account players fill those slots during matchmaking.
the don't always help tip. They're gonna report you for not dying with you, they're gonna hate you and whine about you for the rest of the game xD
13:12 Yeah, honestly most of the time, I'm upset at either getting cc'd for 10 consecutive seconds, or because my team does literally jack shit, most of the times it's a combination of both, my team just watches me die as I get cc'd.
I usually play champs with engage but no disengage.
I learned more in this video than in any other, and probably, the most important of skills for consistent climbing.
Thank you very much, crazy this is free.
3:49 its 69$ because u pay full year subscription not per month , but per month is 18$ for me
"But hey, they're silver, right?. They couldn't have known any better, cut them some slack, right? Yeah, well, I guess Diamond players do sometimes look like they're in silver"
😂😂🤣🤣
I really disagree with a lot of the points in this video. A jungler asking for help even though they can solo the objective is 100% valid, because killing a dragon even 1 second faster can be the difference between taking or losing the objectjve. And, of course, theres the obvious advantage of having people to zone the enemy team while youre doing objective. As for the Fiora bit... If this were a video about top lane, youd criticize Yi for trying to contest the grubs while she was pressing the advantage top and farming extra gold while Shen was away. This stuff is very inconsistent.
Yea the yi inted trying to contest but the fiora did too. And for the objective part yes janna could hover but in no world should she try to dps the dragon
7:48 i do this to because when i know that the enemy jgler is comming I need atleast a temmate that can zone him so that the drake does not gets stolen. Not like I cant solo it but 2 guys is scarier than one. What do you think?
FACTS
It’s not that I’m scared to solo the dragon but more that I’m tracking the enemy jungler and don’t want to have to smite fight or even get killed. Just one helpful hand is all I need.
@@BulletmarshinIf you're scared of the enemy jungler killing you, why are you even doing drake 😭 y'all make no sense. Sounds like "there's no set up for me so I'm just mindlessly flipping the objective and praying my teammates bail me out" which is exactly what he's pointing out
then its not good timing to do drake....
@@UFOJo974if u started drag and they had vision but enemy jg is sprint from opposite side then ya, u need someone who can zone off enemy jg. It’s situational, not mandatory. Even as adc i can zone off the enemy jg and still help with drag, just get in between in case enemy jg wants to dive in for it. It’s to block a steal.
The saddest part of this video is that I know the people who need to see it will never watch
ngl this is the first video of a challenger where he explains what low elos ACTUALLY do wrong
The mosz infuriating thing anyone can do is type shiit like "You don't deserve to win." To their own teammates. Gets instant mutes from me. I literally suffered through a game once, where my hgl and adc were just riling each other up, insulting each other more and more. My jgl just afk farmed scubtle while I almost won a 1v2 right next to him and then my adc decided to just afk farm for the rest of the game. The funny part is, that we almost won the game. I was sooo fed, that I almost managed to carry those fools. I then made 1 stupid mistake and we lost. But I don't think I will ever forget that game. It literally took me a whole day to calm down after it.
Jungler main here, i'm one of those guys who spam ping for help on drakes. The reason i do this is because i play weak early champs, i ping because i'm scared if their jungler will come and 1v1 me. Why is this extremely bad?
confidently spelling confidence wrong is hilarious lol
12:14 tbh thought their jungle was gonna pull up a reverse uno card
Yup challenger are known to be very chill and to never tilt hahahaha
Love when people call me troll for not going in for ganks/fights that are a waste of time, then i kill both nexus turrets by myself with supers while everyone is fighting some random fight in the jungle. Dont listen to bad calls guys.
the objective thing is prob my bad
I play ADC and if my jungler is doing his bot side, i push my wave into enemy tower and start drag while waiting for my jungler to arrive
or my support and I just take dragon as our jungler leaves bot, recalls and goes to grubs when we already started dragon for them :
im unironically high elo consistently on kayn and wouldve died the same way, in lower elos as jg, just learn the patterns of the enemy and cheese them in the first 4 mins of the game, deny their game before their laners can even do anything about it and you will find a lot of success. this wont work past diamond but until then it will get you a very high winrate.
Will be honest... i just started playing this game last week... and about 75% of the games i have queued up in just random quick play have ended up with multiple afkers or the team trying to surrender in the first five minutes...
Been struggling to play long enough to actually learn how to play. I have had like two actually fun good games at least.
Hope it gets better or i may just play only co-op and swarm... at least had fun doing those games.
rakan was in the right though, he had no more cds and shen ult would still go off
Not really, because he had hp for at least 2 turret shots.
I was thinking the same thing. He had no CC, and his Q and autos do no damage, so he would have died and the ADC would have died. But still, the Shen ult would have gone off because the enemy ADC came forward when Rakan went back. If Rakan had pushed, the ADC would have hidden behind the tower, and they surely would have got the enemy ADC, so it might have been a 2-for-2 trade. But if Shen E'd (taunted) two of them, it would have been a 3-for-2 trade. So it's hard to judge - it still depends on the players' micro and skill.
@@SCK-47 Master Yi and Ezreal has enough damage to burst through the Jinx even through the shield together, but because Rakan leaves the tower range, Master Yi takes a tower shot and has to back off, removing his dps and letting Shen complete the channel.
@@SCK-47 It isn't about his CC, tanking turret aggro allows your teammates time to finish kills. While rakan doesn't do much damage with his autos, ezreal and yi do a lot, and they can do it freely under turret if he plays this correctly. I don't even mind much if all 3 of them die but jinx dies and loses that wave.
Also, once shen ulted, they could crash wave and get a free drag. Enemy sup is dead, adc is one shot.
This is extremely relatable. Jungle feels awful to play but it's because of how stupid laners are.
This. I LOVE playing jungle but just yesterday I lost a game where I had an 8/2 lead early and mid game cause my laners were brain dead and wasted every gank I gave them and gigafed till I couldn't carry.
We all have high expectations about our teammates and jg has the most interactions... We are also very egocentric, so even if a jg is doing well, laners might think bad of jg because jg didn't help them as much, even if you are 7/0 or 5/0 as a jg...
Same goes for junglers. More than enough stupid junglers that ignore overpushed enemies, giveaway objectives without taking something in return and just overall dont do anything when there are enough good options. Had junglers 0/0/1 15-20 min in. They might aswel have been bots.
@@killer30556 Just because they are pushed doesn't mean they are a good gank opportunity. Junglers cant be everywhere and their clearing is important early game.
@@killer30556makes no sense ganking lanes that are losing/getting pushed in in my opinion. Sometimes yes, it can happen that a weak enemy is pushing his lane but that is just straight up griefing. What happens MOST OF THE TIME is you have a guy that is hard losing, getting perma pushed in/proxied and asking for ganks because "he is pushing". You are literally flipping the play at that point, cause if enemy jungle comes, you will HARD LOSE in the 2v2 with for instance a shitty top laner. I, as a jungle main (granted i am only emerald) would much rather play towards a winning lane EVEN if they are pushing permanently. We can still dive. We can still invade their side of enemy jungle. We can still get free objectives on that side of the map. Actually diving a lane that has a 3 stacked wave going to enemy tower is one of the most GUARANTEED ganks you can do. So no, jungle should keep farming if all his lanes are losing and getting pushed in.
5:00 AHAHAHAHAHAH
That's exactly what i want to do with my solo-duo teammates lmao
It's called "ELO-Hell" and yes it exists.
Love it. Love hectors guides too. So much fun to watch. Sometimes we all just gotta breathe
A big mistake learning jungle I was always wanting to get every single objective and if I my team wasn't responding (even if they had prio) I would lose my mind. I changed my mindset a bit on this.
Do people genuinely find it toxic to ping something 3 times?
Because I do that, not to be toxic, but because I VERY OFTEN miss things in chat, but if 3 pings comes fast, like a drake spawning (no sound ping, those I only do once) I ALWAYS see it.
So I am doing it because I LIKE it when other players do it.
(I am not talking about 5-6 pings > "you have to wait x s to ping again", just, 2-3 times on soundless pings, like cooldowns, or if someone flashes)
You’ll never carry teammates like this if you’re
you know whats more annoying.... having to constantly deal with smurfs as a low elo player. some pro players even admitted to having 10 to 20 accounts
Do you know what tilts me: My adc went Evelynn with heal and barier. I got report feedback after game ended. Guess that's something.
My biggest league irritation is when I as a player do everything correct to shut down my counterpart, they have no farm, no kills, many deaths, And all they need to do is roam bot to become a avengers level threat again, despite the fact bot had vision and ample time to back off
Well, when every single game has a troller/afk/inter/10 year old kid it's impossible to escape low elo. I've been d1 for 3 seasons now and I simply cannot carry a plat IV game. It's literally unplayable
I'm sorry but it's so weird when people smurfing in silver are like "omg my teammates play like silvers"
No fucking shit.
I am the bad yuumi, fucking up your lane lol then when they get mad at me, I say "hey, this is iron here get over it" and they say "no its bronze or silver" I say "I doubt I was the only one here thats been boosted"
0:17 The way this literally happened to me yesterday... I was playing master Yi and I dove bottom for a triple kill then I shoved the next wave and took a plate before backing and my adc was beyond pissed
Unless you really needed that gold for an item I dont see why junglers waste their time taking plates
I know I'm a bad player but I disagree with your trigger 2 complaint. @12:50 ish. I agree both players have to be on the same page but it's assumed playing safe when no one pings. I didn't see a ping from yi and they were already ahead thanks to the kill. It could just have easily been that yi just pinged for help and I would have agreed.
So what you are saying is... that actually low elo players get to fight challengers sometimes, which rigs the dices, get them more salty, hence they tilt, so they tilt the other players for their next games. Ahhh yes.
One of the most important videos. Staying cool e focused is by far the most difficult part of the game.
9:07 I don’t always want help, so I should ping or chat something else, but I often just want the laners to pay attention to if their laner begins to leave for dragon & to follow them.
Not to out myself but I fall into the description of the objective player (and I'm a support main ironically lol) but I don't do it for the reasons the narrator explained.
I'll ping objectives as a reminder, yes, but it's only to bring attention to /something that will happen soon/. For me, it's not a "ping ping ping we need to be ready to do this" ping, it's a "this thing is happening soon in the game, prepare if it MAKES SENSE".
I feel like it should be understood that pings DO NOT mean a forced action must occur and that seems to be the view in the point that was made in this video. I get pings from team mates all of the time and ignore them if they don't make sense. Why shouldn't I assume others view them the same way? If an obj makes sense, let's do it. If it doesn't, let's not.
I definitely watch the objs so I can ward the area early so that we have an understanding of what's going on around it, that's my job but that by no means means we HAVE to do anything around it?
When i want to ping someone to do the objective i ping the objective and then i ping my teamates one the map but if i dont i just press once.
@TheNerdArmory That’s fine, but that might be your case, normally it isn’t like that. The issue are not the pings themselves, the issue has to do with the mentality, if you don’t have that mentality, that’s nice, but many players do, and those mentalities ruin games.
Because the majority of human beings are bad at using their brains. You have no choice but to match their level!
atp dont even ping the dragon if you dont want to contest it
@@hehexd832 that's not how communication works. That's just making orders. I think you're fully outing yourself as the person he's talking about :s
Low elo - a place where players cyclically put a lot of effort into fighting for nothing.
Yuumi did nothing wrong at 2:05, what a bad take
Advice in the video if you ever see stupid things just ignore them while simultaneously teaching people incorrectly and to be stupid things awesome
Froze the wave and recalled in the bush.
Recall completed and I check the map for the wave.
And support cast Lucent Singularity on the entire enemy wave...
No, my allies do NOT have the right to expect that I will execute on their ideas just because I'm in the area unless I actually communicate that I'm going to do so.
It is mind blowing that the SMURFING CHALENGER is complaining about the other players. Smh.
This video is cathartic. I'm so glad I'm not the only one 😂
I agree with everything other then the bot lane analysis. Bot wave is pushing. Jinx is one hp with no sup to peel her. Pushing the wave and diving with 3 stacked waves is 100% better. Also doing this resets the turret aggro and possibly even denies shen ult