Mozart was prolific, likely due to financial pressure to produce music constantly. Unlike Brahms, who destroyed a majority of his work, all of Mozart’s work survives to this day. I think we can all agree that the best of his compositions are truly sublime.
No. Mozart was prolific because music just flowed out of him naturally. I think he once wrote his father that he had so many ideas in his head that there was no way he could write most of them down. It shows. Whenever a piece of his music requires a new theme, one appears. At age 10, he once sat at a piano with a singer and played variations on a theme for half an hour before they told him he had to stop.
@@temperedwell6295 ok. What I could have said is that he published everything he wrote, due to pressures that existed beyond the artistic ones he imposed on himself.
@@temperedwell6295 It was just normal for his days. Bach wrote one cantata each week, and Vivaldi finished a concerto within hours. With decent musical training background everyone can do this.
It’s a masterful satire, in large part because I think Glenn sincerely believes in the validity of both arguments. There is beauty to be found in simplicity, AND Mozart was coasting on some of those concertos. But the deeper point, I think, is that Gould is treating Mozart with an unsympathetic lens that is rarely reserved for “sacred cow” composers. Glenn was not a believer in objective truths, and my interpretation of his argument here is that entertaining the thought that Mozart was a “bad composer” we can have to identify and defend what is truly special about his composition for reasons other than his pre-existing spot on the composers’ Mt. Rushmore.
No, he just thinks he’s above everyone else. He centers himself in everything. He’s the most important. Me. Me me. There are passionate people in every field. He’s talented, but he doesn’t do the composer justice. It’s like rewriting Shakespeare and passing it off as Shakespeare The composer was writing from their heart, they leave area for interpretation-but to rewrite the piece almost entirely and present it as Mozart is very frustrating, and takes the experience away from a listener who likely is hearing it for the first time.
Auch die Meinung eines Genies wie Gould ist nie die absolute Wahrheit....... und möglicherweise auch nicht als solche beabsichtigt ,eher als Provokation???
@@xx133 You have to remember that Mozart was an improviser. This notion that the original composition is sacred in some way, was invented by classical music weirdos. Mozart himself would have considered it ridiculous.
Yup, unbelievable. I think the introitus does not get enough love, and is probably one of my favorite pieces. Not to mention the transition from the kyrie to the dires irae, ending and starting on the same chord, is incredible!
Glenn is likes to center himself in everything he plays. It’s no longer about expressing the piece, it’s about him and being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian-and people translate that to “oh he’s a genius”.
@@xx133 exactly. Always played how 'Gould would play it' (i.e. not very well and with a rather mechanical touch), never giving the music the sound it deserves to make it sound childlike or trivial. Even his Bach - a composer most people feel Gould does best - doesn't sound like Bach. It sounds like his interpretation of Bach - mechanical and fast paced with no regard for emotion or intimacy.
It always amazed me how the "mature" Mozart pleases more in childhood and the younger Mozart gets better when one ages. Glen, of course, knows why and can transfer that information in his own incredibly entertaining way... Happy birthday Wolfgang !
I could listen to Gould perform orchestral works on that Steinway of his all day. His two-hand performance of my favorite fragment from the 1st movement of the Mozart K.491 is a perfect opening.
I thought Mozart was mostly elevator music until I heard the symphonies, the Masses, and the operas. The divertimenti make me divertimental. As for Gould, I love the Baroque Era, so how can I not love him.
Please listen to other pianists that do Bach justice. He ignores crucial markings, for the sake of sounding different, and centering himself in the piece-not for the enhancing the essence of the piece.
Well... Beethoven and Chopin, just for mention two great composers mention Mozart's music were the greatest. Gould is dead now, it has a very particular and valid view about music, but despite of wherever he liked or not Mozart, it is not a genius like Beethoven or Chopin, just for mention two. Facts. You can like or dislike Mozart or any other composer, this is a different issue.
Glenn was compelled to say things like this, was his construct. I personally do not think he absolutely felt this way He clearly enjoyed being a contrarian with a strong sense of humor. Find it refreshing to hear unpopular opinions especially today. Classical music can laugh at itself once in a while. At least he won't bore you.
What a presumptuous comment to override what GG said and pretend he did not mean what he said. Well he did, and every word of it ! But there will be many more mediocre people like you who will wrongly assume that humor and high thoughts are mutually exclusive. A believable critic of Mozart does not have to be done in a stern, heavy and dreadful manner, it can be done in a light mood but it does not change the arguments which are heavyweights here. Mozart was and is still overrated. Yes, he used cliche and composed with commercial success as the end goal not for the highest quest in composing. Every critic that GG makes in this video is solid and substantiated and true. Mozart remains the classical fast food music accessible to many and overrated.
@@peterheiman8621 answer : To give some token of adhesion to the system and be able to work in the circuit for his career BEFORE he realized he decided screw it, i am going to do what i want, say what i think and run my career without having to be a stooge of the establishment.
@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks Mozart is the most played classical composer and is overrated compared to other composers and you are not napoleon who was an italian dastard no good for French people or anybody.
Этот заголовок не корректен. Конечно, для привлечения любопытной публики сойдёт. Маэстро Гленн Гульд говорит с позиций глубокого понимания музыки, что недоступно большинству обывателей. И так рождаются клише "Гульд ненавидит Моцарта" , что есть полная чушь. Вы слушали Моцарта в исполнении Гульда, кроме как сейчас в этом видео? Моцарт в исполнении Гленна Гульда - это лучший Моцарт, когда-либо исполненный, непревзойденный, это вершина. Моцарту очень повезло, что его записал Гульд, и довольно много - сонаты, фантазии, 24 концерт. Потрудитесь послушать, господа, и вы лучше будете понимать маэстро Гленна.
I've often felt that some of Mozart's work sounds like he's "phoning it in." This C minor concerto in particular. Gould's position is more extreme, but he does a great job of explaining it in detail.
Plays music he hates with immeasurable "elan", statistically speaking, which would otherwise be a cliche in the hands and words of a lesser musician, one might be inclined to say "artist", were the low rent composition -- or Frankenstein's monster of sewn together parts of originally healthy and hale individual works -- capable of allowing artistry to show itself at all... Dear Glenn..❤
Gould is quite unfair here, as he sometimes is with Mozart. Picking a concerto rather than other late works is a way of making his point. But the "point" of a concerto is to display the chops of the soloist. Of necessity there's going to be some noodling in the bravura passages. Gould is such a master of virtuosity that he doesn't note the showy quality intended for such pieces, because for him, it's easy to phone it in. It's also notable that he doesn't mention that other minor key concerto, #20, which he could not so easily dismiss. It was written just one year before this one.
Don't feel bad Motzart, Mr Gould also pointed out that Bach, if he had reviewed his work would have corrected a mistake he made in one of his compositions. Mr. Gould is a unique genius with the piano & listening to him play is certain bliss, however Motzart composed for the general public to enjoy & most of us have enjoyed listening to his works, especially when Mr. Gould plays them.
Gould died suffering like the cripple he was, and his musical legacy is nonexistent. If you think Mozart wrote and is a composer for the 'general public', then you deserve a special place to the right of Mr Gould and his disgusting midwit interpretations, banal self-indulgent ramblings devoid of any value or merit.
He is not “taking the piss” and doesn’t even hold that UK psychology as far as I can see. He is genuinely critiquing late Mozart. If you cannot express yourself sincerely as an artist you quickly die, and he had to get these criticisms out.
I've always thought of Mozart at his worst was a piece of music waiting around for the soloist to go nuts, sort of the "Harpo Does Something Funny" approach to composition
Rudolph Serkin I believe was listening to Gould speaking on the radio and was appalled by the things he heard, later in the program he heard Gould playing and his anger subsided.
@@Alix777. j'aime la bonne musique classique. Qu'elle soit composée par des catholiques ou par des protestants ou autres.. Ce qui compte c'est le talent du compositeur et les émotions qu'il transmet... Idem pour ceux qui savent interpréter merveilleusement bien les Œuvres des Maîtres...tel Glenn Gould dans le clavier bien tempéré de Bach ...une pépite !
I believe that being creative and having a very unique style is easier than adhering closely to the tradition and employing lots of cliches as well as technical finesse so to me Mozart is a genius. His music is both complex and incredibly easy to digest which for me is great art. But then again, I am a conservative as far as aesthetics are concerned and I don't care for the political or revolutionary impact of a work of art, I only care about craftsmanship
Something about him speaking with that contemptuous tone of voice and looking at the camera with those contemptuous furrowed brows, probably intentional, is hilarious lol
@@Chopin1995 i wonder if the Mozart explosion of the 1980's had any effect on his "health issues". And obviously the period instrument movement in Bach.
Curioso quando um pianista vai falar sobre a qualidade da música de Mozart só sabe sabe do Mozart compositor para piano. Para eles Mozart só compôs para piano, - funciona para outros instrumentos e outros compositores, por exemplo, Beethoven só compôs sinfonias.
One can find fault with every composer. I don't like Bach's choruses in the Magnificat. Arias are wonderful. Mozart's piano trios and violin sonatas are gorgeous, as are his piano concertos. Can't think of a bad Mozart, early or late. As to Mozart being the easiest of the greats to imitate, not only is that irrelevant and untrue, Bach is much easier to imitate and parody, which detracts nothing from his greatest pieces. Mozart is the greatest composer. If one had to choose which composer to rescue from oblivion, Mozart would be my obvious choice.
Not really, Nothing compares to Mozart's "Misericordias Domini" written at the age of 19, even his unfinished symphony bears the mark of his Don Giovanni at every point. The only difference is Schubert got the influence of Beethoven and was born many years later.
Glenn Gould forgot about Mozart’s last Symphonies. They are in the top of Symphonic compositions starting with #38 through 39 to 41. Number 40 is considered to to be in the top 10 of all time. Gould was a good pianist but never composed anything. He was also quite a freak in his later years. He kept his curtains closed, wore gloves, never shook hands, crazy about his diet, mumbled through some of his recordings ruining them. He did get me onto Bach for the rest of my life but often played his work too quickly. Daniel Barenboim and others are much better than Gould. After his death at 50, the TV documentary was very depressing and dark.
it’s so painful to watch this because gould doesn’t understand the classical idiom at all. talking about a classical concerto by only mentioning the solo instrument fails to understand how these composer conceptualized the role of the soloist. in all of mozart’s concerti, he writes the keyboard at the _bottom_ of the score, because he and his contemporaries inherited this idea of the historical role of the keyboard as part of the basso continuo section! this heroic soloist we often think about in concerti emerges later-in this time it is still very much a dialogue between the soloist and the orchestra, so by playing portions of the concerto which make very little sense without the context of the whole rest of the orchestra is either a bad faith argument, or, as i said above, reflects gould’s truly bewildering ignorance
Do not watch painfully THIS one, just stop it and do something less painful and hateful. Gould doesn’t care about your painful watching, that’s the point.
@@Khukhedaru maybe its painful to him because people like you are going to be conviced by gould, which is always a bad thing...also where is the counter argument buddy?
Beethoven was king in his last 5 symphonies, king in a good number of his piano sonatas perhaps 8 or 10 of 32 P sonatas, then his 2do violin romence, and his fantasy for piano, chorus and orchestra. If you subtract all these pieces, he is a regular good composer. That is why Mozart is superior. You find master pieces in all genres of Mozart's music, too long the list to mention here.
Maybe gould has a point. But the first theme of that same concerto is so unusually chromatic, mysterious, and full of tension. How is that cliched? Also, does having a propensity of sequences automatically make a piece bad? The first movement of Beethoven 5 uses its central motif in many sequences, yet it isn't considered unoriginal or cliched
Моцарт был наверное одним из самых больших пофигистов в истории музыки. От творил как хотел и всегда это было здорово! Удивляет после драматической сонаты C-moll K457, когда уж надо было писать в том же духе, появление легкой, по сути легкомысленной сонаты К545, но это было для него естественно, он просто стебался над всеми! После драматичнейшего Дон Жуана идет легкомысленная Кози, да пофиг!
Interesting, Perhaps comic. Pretentious-perhaps to the point of being delusionally self-serving. GG was a great part of musical history, but, in the end, I think we must say Mozart had him beat. Perhaps GG knew this and just couldn't avoid dealing with it this way?
in fact, these are very harmless statements with more humor than malice, but people still hate GG for it. friends, just relax, this genius wanted to entertain you, not offend. yes, he really doesn’t like Mozart, but that’s just his opinion, which he presented in the form of excellent post-irony. There is far more hatred and disrespect in some people's reactions to Gould's words than in this video.
It's so boring to listen to this... anyone can search the Internet and find deep statements by great masters and composers about Mozart's music, and surprisingly Schoenberg will be on the list of the first «pupils». It feels like he's either afraid of Mozart or envious or doesn't love with all his passion...from hate to love is just one step. R. I. P. Glenn Gould, no matter what you say, your genius is above you.
To see the great Gould to entertain us with his "colorful" theories is rewarding and amusing. However, we should take anything GG says with a pinch of caution... or a lot of caution. Firstly, because he had a very acute and subtle sense of humor, especially forguing parodic personalities. He could be pranking all of us in any particular point of time. Secondly, he was a well-known eccentric , with astounding (and many times untennable) POVs over several musical subject. We can love his music but not necessarily his opinions in every issue. His eccentric nature can be very well seen in his infamous (and almost unbelievable) "Steinway's back slap" incident , which had big consequences in his life and , in the long term, limited the amount of music he passed on us.
Yes. Mozart's last piano sonata 576 in D major really sucks as do his last symphonies.. Indeed, he wrote the first movement of his symphony no. 40, while stuck in a closet. Let him out. Let him out. Let him out.
Bei allem Respect vor sein Können, als ein genialer Pianist, Glenn Gould hatte ja als Komponist nie in Erscheinung getreten. 5:59 Nicht ohne Grund. Schade, eigentlich.
Just a disingenuous critique. Demonstrating that a work is comprised of simple “ingredients” doesn’t prove it was unsuccessful. It’s like he’s eating a delicious croissant and saying “This is just butter and flour! How uninspired!” Just enjoy your breakfast Glenn.
Glenn Gould was a brilliant pianist for certain things, like contrapuntal works from the late Baroque era. However, his opinions here are nothing more than nonsensical ramblings. Mozart clearly wrote his most complex and deep works during the last years of his life, his last two symphonies and The Magic Flute being obvious examples. The same goes for Gould's nonsense opinions about Stravinsky as a composer. Gould was a genious, but also one with certain autistic tendencies, which sometimes clearly got the better of him.
Asuma why not us??? Otkroy knigu prochti, shto ne ponyatnova???? Gde vidish Romantiku? Tents Brazilatsinerin tvetsinq, nothing, Russkim dali, nothing, Anglichaninam something and so on....
Maybe you should try to improve your understanding of music. There are objective reasons to consider Mozart greater than Beethoven, alrhough it isn't a competition.
@@HermanIngram He is correct. He doesn't understand. If you want to engage.... Mozart's composing technique was better, he was more versatile (Beethoven not a particularly good composer of operas or for voice, in general), more subtlely imaginative, and much more prolific. IMO Mozart"s fantasie and sonata in C minor is superior to Beethoven's pathetique sonata based on it. Not to understand how some find Mozart superior? Don't get me wrong. I love Beethoven, who clearly revolutionized music. After Mozart, a revolution was needed because Mozart had done all that was possible within the purely classical framework. Who can't be awe struck upon first hearing Beethoven's fifth symphony? I consider the Appassionata sonata the greatest work ever composed for the piano because it is original in so many ways -- unusual time signature, extended coda, transition between movements, e.g. But that doesn't make Beethoven better than Mozart. Mozart's 40th symphony, for example. Is musical perfection, if such a concept exists.
@@temperedwell6295 The fact that Mozart write more opera means nothing. The Missa Solemnis is a far greater work than anything Mozart wrote for voice. Beethoven’s output for the piano is far, far greater than that of Mozart. The artistic breath is incomparable. Mozart is formulaic and not the greatest when it comes to developing material.
Mozart was prolific, likely due to financial pressure to produce music constantly. Unlike Brahms, who destroyed a majority of his work, all of Mozart’s work survives to this day. I think we can all agree that the best of his compositions are truly sublime.
I'm 25 in America, I grew up around sh** for music, Mozart is a genius in comparison.
No. Mozart was prolific because music just flowed out of him naturally. I think he once wrote his father that he had so many ideas in his head that there was no way he could write most of them down. It shows. Whenever a piece of his music requires a new theme, one appears.
At age 10, he once sat at a piano with a singer and played variations on a theme for half an hour before they told him he had to stop.
@@temperedwell6295 ok. What I could have said is that he published everything he wrote, due to pressures that existed beyond the artistic ones he imposed on himself.
@@temperedwell6295 It was just normal for his days. Bach wrote one cantata each week, and Vivaldi finished a concerto within hours. With decent musical training background everyone can do this.
Or compare to bach and how much he wrote - and never wrote a bad note in his life.
Glenn Gould is the treatment for when classical music starts to take itself too seriously. I love it.
It’s a masterful satire, in large part because I think Glenn sincerely believes in the validity of both arguments. There is beauty to be found in simplicity, AND Mozart was coasting on some of those concertos.
But the deeper point, I think, is that Gould is treating Mozart with an unsympathetic lens that is rarely reserved for “sacred cow” composers. Glenn was not a believer in objective truths, and my interpretation of his argument here is that entertaining the thought that Mozart was a “bad composer” we can have to identify and defend what is truly special about his composition for reasons other than his pre-existing spot on the composers’ Mt. Rushmore.
No, he just thinks he’s above everyone else. He centers himself in everything. He’s the most important. Me. Me me. There are passionate people in every field. He’s talented, but he doesn’t do the composer justice. It’s like rewriting Shakespeare and passing it off as Shakespeare
The composer was writing from their heart, they leave area for interpretation-but to rewrite the piece almost entirely and present it as Mozart is very frustrating, and takes the experience away from a listener who likely is hearing it for the first time.
Auch die Meinung eines Genies wie Gould ist nie die absolute Wahrheit....... und möglicherweise auch nicht als solche beabsichtigt ,eher als Provokation???
@@xx133 You have to remember that Mozart was an improviser. This notion that the original composition is sacred in some way, was invented by classical music weirdos. Mozart himself would have considered it ridiculous.
The legendary documentary I only saw from the book... Finally got uploaded to TH-cam
Yet Mozart Requiem is an incredibly outstanding masterpiece
Yup, unbelievable. I think the introitus does not get enough love, and is probably one of my favorite pieces. Not to mention the transition from the kyrie to the dires irae, ending and starting on the same chord, is incredible!
Glenn is likes to center himself in everything he plays. It’s no longer about expressing the piece, it’s about him and being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian-and people translate that to “oh he’s a genius”.
@@xx133 exactly. Always played how 'Gould would play it' (i.e. not very well and with a rather mechanical touch), never giving the music the sound it deserves to make it sound childlike or trivial. Even his Bach - a composer most people feel Gould does best - doesn't sound like Bach. It sounds like his interpretation of Bach - mechanical and fast paced with no regard for emotion or intimacy.
@@Menarecuteaaa subjective. I find Gould's Bach to be the most emotional. Now what?
@@DanielSilva-gc4xz that’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it.
I love both, Mozart and Gould ❤
Браво! :)
Yo también
Y haven’t heard Mozart if y only listened to Gould play what he calls Mozart
Well, I think despite the premise Gould proves here that Mozart is indeed one banger of a composer!
It always amazed me how the "mature" Mozart pleases more in childhood and the younger Mozart gets better when one ages.
Glen, of course, knows why and can transfer that information in his own incredibly entertaining way...
Happy birthday Wolfgang !
Мы любим любого Моцарта!
I could listen to Gould perform orchestral works on that Steinway of his all day. His two-hand performance of my favorite fragment from the 1st movement of the Mozart K.491 is a perfect opening.
I’m so excited to see this again but in color
SO incredible--Love this--thank you for posting!
I thought Mozart was mostly elevator music until I heard the symphonies, the Masses, and the operas. The divertimenti make me divertimental. As for Gould, I love the Baroque Era, so how can I not love him.
Please listen to other pianists that do Bach justice. He ignores crucial markings, for the sake of sounding different, and centering himself in the piece-not for the enhancing the essence of the piece.
I just love listening to two of my favorite musicians “argue” - it makes Gould’s Mozart *interesting* - *covers* rather than “a cover band” …
Only Mozart can be bad at composing and yet able to write such a beautiful music.
he says its all boring and here i am marveling at the awe of it. its like he doesnt want to see it
If you show a guitarist a video of a guy shredding up and down the neck, they'll probably be less impressed than if they actually played with feel
Well that was amazing but I want part 2 ASAP
It's here today 2/9, and worth the wait.
❤Wonderfull!❤
I like Glenn Gould.
I absolutely love Gould calling it as it as he see's it.
Nobody today has the balls to be this openly honest.
Well... Beethoven and Chopin, just for mention two great composers mention Mozart's music were the greatest. Gould is dead now, it has a very particular and valid view about music, but despite of wherever he liked or not Mozart, it is not a genius like Beethoven or Chopin, just for mention two. Facts. You can like or dislike Mozart or any other composer, this is a different issue.
Glenn was compelled to say things like this, was his construct. I personally do not think he absolutely felt this way He clearly enjoyed being a contrarian with a strong sense of humor.
Find it refreshing to hear unpopular opinions especially today. Classical music can laugh at itself once in a while.
At least he won't bore you.
What a presumptuous comment to override what GG said and pretend he did not mean what he said. Well he did, and every word of it ! But there will be many more mediocre people like you who will wrongly assume that humor and high thoughts are mutually exclusive. A believable critic of Mozart does not have to be done in a stern, heavy and dreadful manner, it can be done in a light mood but it does not change the arguments which are heavyweights here. Mozart was and is still overrated. Yes, he used cliche and composed with commercial success as the end goal not for the highest quest in composing. Every critic that GG makes in this video is solid and substantiated and true.
Mozart remains the classical fast food music accessible to many and overrated.
If he really felt that way, why did he perform (memorably at that) this work with Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic in 1959?
@@peterheiman8621 answer : To give some token of adhesion to the system and be able to work in the circuit for his career BEFORE he realized he decided screw it, i am going to do what i want, say what i think and run my career without having to be a stooge of the establishment.
@@ericastier1646 If Mozart is overrated, I'm Napoleon.
@@ClassicalMusicAndSoundtracks Mozart is the most played classical composer and is overrated compared to other composers and you are not napoleon who was an italian dastard no good for French people or anybody.
wow I can't wait!!!
Already available, like everything they post.
Два Гения вместе не уживаются.
Пример,Толстой и Шекспир.
Yes you can…
@@AFE1312 and with better sound than here
Compose in 5 and a half to 6 years, Don gionvanni, Marriage of figaro, magic flute, la Clemens a de tito. Compose in 8 weeks I three last symphonies.
Sagenhaft! Vielen Dank und LG aus Montréal, Qc, Canada
Puede ser pero los chispazos que tiene Mozart en su música son estratosféricos,incomprensibles musicalmente señor Gould,es otra dimensión…..
Sick of the falling fifths sequence? Wait till this guy hears about Vivaldi
Mozart has been awfully quiet since this dropped.
I think, Glenn Gould really shows us what a genius composer Mozart really has been - no one could do that, but Mozart.
Mozart was very very great indeed - however I think the criticisms are completely valid
Glenn: "This stuff is so basic" *plays and appears to be in ecstasy*
Inimitable GG. Always worth a careful listen. Quirky, idiosyncratic, but huge technique.
please part 2!!!🙏🙏🙏😘
Этот заголовок не корректен. Конечно, для привлечения любопытной публики сойдёт. Маэстро Гленн Гульд говорит с позиций глубокого понимания музыки, что недоступно большинству обывателей. И так рождаются клише "Гульд ненавидит Моцарта" , что есть полная чушь. Вы слушали Моцарта в исполнении Гульда, кроме как сейчас в этом видео? Моцарт в исполнении Гленна Гульда - это лучший Моцарт, когда-либо исполненный, непревзойденный, это вершина. Моцарту очень повезло, что его записал Гульд, и довольно много - сонаты, фантазии, 24 концерт. Потрудитесь послушать, господа, и вы лучше будете понимать маэстро Гленна.
I've often felt that some of Mozart's work sounds like he's "phoning it in." This C minor concerto in particular. Gould's position is more extreme, but he does a great job of explaining it in detail.
Plays music he hates with immeasurable "elan", statistically speaking, which would otherwise be a cliche in the hands and words of a lesser musician, one might be inclined to say "artist", were the low rent composition -- or Frankenstein's monster of sewn together parts of originally healthy and hale individual works -- capable of allowing artistry to show itself at all...
Dear Glenn..❤
Gould is quite unfair here, as he sometimes is with Mozart. Picking a concerto rather than other late works is a way of making his point. But the "point" of a concerto is to display the chops of the soloist. Of necessity there's going to be some noodling in the bravura passages. Gould is such a master of virtuosity that he doesn't note the showy quality intended for such pieces, because for him, it's easy to phone it in.
It's also notable that he doesn't mention that other minor key concerto, #20, which he could not so easily dismiss. It was written just one year before this one.
LOL idiot doesn't know what "lighthearted" means. derp
K 491 is as great as K 466. If not even greater.
His effrontery was delightful!
GG official channel is back!
Gould was lit
Don't feel bad Motzart, Mr Gould also pointed out that Bach, if he had reviewed his work would have corrected a mistake he made in one of his compositions.
Mr. Gould is a unique genius with the piano & listening to him play is certain bliss, however Motzart composed for the general public to enjoy & most of us have enjoyed listening to his works, especially when Mr. Gould plays them.
Gould died suffering like the cripple he was, and his musical legacy is nonexistent. If you think Mozart wrote and is a composer for the 'general public', then you deserve a special place to the right of Mr Gould and his disgusting midwit interpretations, banal self-indulgent ramblings devoid of any value or merit.
Glenn Gould loved Mozart. There's no question. This is all him taking the piss.
He loved some of Mozart, which he freely acknowledges here.
He is not “taking the piss” and doesn’t even hold that UK psychology as far as I can see. He is genuinely critiquing late Mozart. If you cannot express yourself sincerely as an artist you quickly die, and he had to get these criticisms out.
Yes. But the Requiem, the Ave Verum were later works? If so …
Waiting for him to say " you have enterered THE TWILIGHT ZONE".
Gould is mostly right on this I don’t see the major reason why people are clowning on him, maybe they are just major major Mozart fans smh.
I've always thought of Mozart at his worst was a piece of music waiting around for the soloist to go nuts, sort of the "Harpo Does Something Funny" approach to composition
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I love how he does from tersely tearing the piece to shreds to playing it and babbling "bub-bub-bu-bu"
It’s worth it just to hear Gould throw out such brilliant pianistc effects. Some fingers!
Y'all go read norbert elias' Portrait of A Genius
Rudolph Serkin I believe was listening to Gould speaking on the radio and was appalled by the things he heard, later in the program he heard Gould playing and his anger subsided.
What's wrong with sequences though?
gould's humour is everything he dislikes about mozart, but what playing
Ohh !
Perso, j'aime autant Mozart que Bach...
Mais quelle virtuosité dans l'art de l'humour !
J'adore !
Vous aimez donc la musique qui sent la vieille sacristie luthérienne autant que Mozart, le plus grand compositeur de tous les temps. Très curieux.
@@Alix777. j'aime la bonne musique classique. Qu'elle soit composée par des catholiques ou par des protestants ou autres..
Ce qui compte c'est le talent du compositeur et les émotions qu'il transmet...
Idem pour ceux qui savent interpréter merveilleusement bien les Œuvres des Maîtres...tel Glenn Gould dans le clavier bien tempéré de Bach ...une pépite !
I believe that being creative and having a very unique style is easier than adhering closely to the tradition and employing lots of cliches as well as technical finesse so to me Mozart is a genius. His music is both complex and incredibly easy to digest which for me is great art. But then again, I am a conservative as far as aesthetics are concerned and I don't care for the political or revolutionary impact of a work of art, I only care about craftsmanship
does anyone else know if there are more glenn gould tv programs like this?
Right I’m looking for them too
In official Glenn Gould channnel here in TH-cam. Looking for enough you find.
Did Gould compose?
Something about him speaking with that contemptuous tone of voice and looking at the camera with those contemptuous furrowed brows, probably intentional, is hilarious lol
Hilarious to see how many people, even half a century later, still don’t realize how much he’s just atomically trolling here lmao
To my ears Mozart is a boring composer possessed of an uncanny ability - every now and again - to compose music of startling beauty
I don't know, but could it be argued that Mozart was practicing a more economical approach?
That’s for those who crave for economy.
I had no idea Glenn was so funny. 🤣
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Gould is proof that you cannot make Mozart sound bad, no matter how hard you try.
What year?
1968
@@Chopin1995 i wonder if the Mozart explosion of the 1980's had any effect on his "health issues". And obviously the period instrument movement in Bach.
Yer killin' me, Glenn
Humphrey Price Davies 😂😂😂
Yes, I went “Wait…what?!”
Curioso quando um pianista vai falar sobre a qualidade da música de Mozart só sabe sabe do Mozart compositor para piano. Para eles Mozart só compôs para piano, -
funciona para outros instrumentos e outros compositores, por exemplo, Beethoven só compôs sinfonias.
One can find fault with every composer. I don't like Bach's choruses in the Magnificat. Arias are wonderful. Mozart's piano trios and violin sonatas are gorgeous, as are his piano concertos. Can't think of a bad Mozart, early or late. As to Mozart being the easiest of the greats to imitate, not only is that irrelevant and untrue, Bach is much easier to imitate and parody, which detracts nothing from his greatest pieces. Mozart is the greatest composer. If one had to choose which composer to rescue from oblivion, Mozart would be my obvious choice.
Mozart is an amateur compared to Schubert
Not really, Nothing compares to Mozart's "Misericordias Domini" written at the age of 19, even his unfinished symphony bears the mark of his Don Giovanni at every point. The only difference is Schubert got the influence of Beethoven and was born many years later.
Glenn Gould forgot about Mozart’s last Symphonies. They are in the top of Symphonic compositions starting with #38 through 39 to 41. Number 40 is considered to to be in the top 10 of all time. Gould was a good pianist but never composed anything. He was also quite a freak in his later years. He kept his curtains closed, wore gloves, never shook hands, crazy about his diet, mumbled through some of his recordings ruining them. He did get me onto Bach for the rest of my life but often played his work too quickly. Daniel Barenboim and others are much better than Gould. After his death at 50, the TV documentary was very depressing and dark.
At 9:50 he looks like he nearly bursts out laughing.
it’s so painful to watch this because gould doesn’t understand the classical idiom at all. talking about a classical concerto by only mentioning the solo instrument fails to understand how these composer conceptualized the role of the soloist. in all of mozart’s concerti, he writes the keyboard at the _bottom_ of the score, because he and his contemporaries inherited this idea of the historical role of the keyboard as part of the basso continuo section! this heroic soloist we often think about in concerti emerges later-in this time it is still very much a dialogue between the soloist and the orchestra, so by playing portions of the concerto which make very little sense without the context of the whole rest of the orchestra is either a bad faith argument, or, as i said above, reflects gould’s truly bewildering ignorance
Do not watch painfully THIS one, just stop it and do something less painful and hateful. Gould doesn’t care about your painful watching, that’s the point.
@@Khukhedaru maybe its painful to him because people like you are going to be conviced by gould, which is always a bad thing...also where is the counter argument buddy?
Nothing Goes over my head. I'm too fast... I will catch it.
Beethoven was king in his last 5 symphonies, king in a good number of his piano sonatas perhaps 8 or 10 of 32 P sonatas, then his 2do violin romence, and his fantasy for piano, chorus and orchestra. If you subtract all these pieces, he is a regular good composer. That is why Mozart is superior. You find master pieces in all genres of Mozart's music, too long the list to mention here.
In my opinion, every last sonata of his is a gem.
Maybe gould has a point. But the first theme of that same concerto is so unusually chromatic, mysterious, and full of tension. How is that cliched?
Also, does having a propensity of sequences automatically make a piece bad? The first movement of Beethoven 5 uses its central motif in many sequences, yet it isn't considered unoriginal or cliched
Моцарт был наверное одним из самых больших пофигистов в истории музыки. От творил как хотел и всегда это было здорово! Удивляет после драматической сонаты C-moll K457, когда уж надо было писать в том же духе, появление легкой, по сути легкомысленной сонаты К545, но это было для него естественно, он просто стебался над всеми! После драматичнейшего Дон Жуана идет легкомысленная Кози, да пофиг!
But how did he know an everyday life in an office that well?? I thought he spent most of his time at the piano or in a recording studio.
I imagine a genius on the order of a Glenn Gould can pick up a sufficient understanding of the office dynamics through cultural osmosis
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Interesting, Perhaps comic. Pretentious-perhaps to the point of being delusionally self-serving. GG was a great part of musical history, but, in the end, I think we must say Mozart had him beat. Perhaps GG knew this and just couldn't avoid dealing with it this way?
Xochesh old times vernut? TI verni, ya pereyedu. Stolko galasov slishim... Vsem Xorom, tupoy tupoy!
Did he know a lot about interoffice memos?
in fact, these are very harmless statements with more humor than malice, but people still hate GG for it. friends, just relax, this genius wanted to entertain you, not offend. yes, he really doesn’t like Mozart, but that’s just his opinion, which he presented in the form of excellent post-irony. There is far more hatred and disrespect in some people's reactions to Gould's words than in this video.
Devastating, yet funny in that quality…😂
J aime Glenn Gould
Humphrey Myles Davies looks like Glenn Gould! Sounds like him too.
Sprinkle a bit of salt on what Gould says about Mozart.
Mozart: File it and forget it
It's so boring to listen to this... anyone can search the Internet and find deep statements by great masters and composers about Mozart's music, and surprisingly Schoenberg will be on the list of the first «pupils». It feels like he's either afraid of Mozart or envious or doesn't love with all his passion...from hate to love is just one step.
R. I. P. Glenn Gould, no matter what you say, your genius is above you.
The best works of mozart later years are his clarinet works, not piano.
6:14 🤣🤣🤣
No lyricism to his melodic lines in his interpretations. I think he murders it.
To see the great Gould to entertain us with his "colorful" theories is rewarding and amusing.
However, we should take anything GG says with a pinch of caution... or a lot of caution. Firstly, because he had a very acute and subtle sense of humor, especially forguing parodic personalities. He could be pranking all of us in any particular point of time.
Secondly, he was a well-known eccentric , with astounding (and many times untennable) POVs over several musical subject. We can love his music but not necessarily his opinions in every issue.
His eccentric nature can be very well seen in his infamous (and almost unbelievable) "Steinway's back slap" incident , which had big consequences in his life and , in the long term, limited the amount of music he passed on us.
Asuma vi Raznoy Natsionalnosti? Net, Yeli to je samoye...Female/Male.
Yes. Mozart's last piano sonata 576 in D major really sucks as do his last symphonies.. Indeed, he wrote the first movement of his symphony no. 40, while stuck in a closet. Let him out. Let him out. Let him out.
Bei allem Respect vor sein Können, als ein genialer Pianist, Glenn Gould hatte ja als Komponist nie in Erscheinung getreten. 5:59
Nicht ohne Grund. Schade, eigentlich.
Is it Mozart that became 'jaded?' Or Glenn Gould?
This did not persuade me.
Methinks the entire "mocking" of Mozart was intended by Gould to be a humorous homage.
Just a disingenuous critique. Demonstrating that a work is comprised of simple “ingredients” doesn’t prove it was unsuccessful. It’s like he’s eating a delicious croissant and saying “This is just butter and flour! How uninspired!” Just enjoy your breakfast Glenn.
Glenn Gould was a brilliant pianist for certain things, like contrapuntal works from the late Baroque era. However, his opinions here are nothing more than nonsensical ramblings. Mozart clearly wrote his most complex and deep works during the last years of his life, his last two symphonies and The Magic Flute being obvious examples. The same goes for Gould's nonsense opinions about Stravinsky as a composer. Gould was a genious, but also one with certain autistic tendencies, which sometimes clearly got the better of him.
Asuma why not us??? Otkroy knigu prochti, shto ne ponyatnova???? Gde vidish Romantiku? Tents Brazilatsinerin tvetsinq, nothing, Russkim dali, nothing, Anglichaninam something and so on....
Lo interpreta,però,in modo eccezionale. Mozart cosi suonato non annoia,tutt'altro.
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I don’t understand people who think that Mozart was better than Beethoven
Maybe you should try to improve your understanding of music.
There are objective reasons to consider Mozart greater than Beethoven, alrhough it isn't a competition.
@@temperedwell6295Maybe you should improve your understanding as well. The original poster is correct.
@@HermanIngram He is correct. He doesn't understand.
If you want to engage.... Mozart's composing technique was better, he was more versatile (Beethoven not a particularly good composer of operas or for voice, in general), more subtlely imaginative, and much more prolific.
IMO Mozart"s fantasie and sonata in C minor is superior to Beethoven's pathetique sonata based on it.
Not to understand how some find Mozart superior?
Don't get me wrong. I love Beethoven, who clearly revolutionized music. After Mozart, a revolution was needed because Mozart had done all that was possible within the purely classical framework. Who can't be awe struck upon first hearing Beethoven's fifth symphony? I consider the Appassionata sonata the greatest work ever composed for the piano because it is original in so many ways -- unusual time signature, extended coda, transition between movements, e.g. But that doesn't make Beethoven better than Mozart.
Mozart's 40th symphony, for example. Is musical perfection, if such a concept exists.
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The fact that Mozart write more opera means nothing. The Missa Solemnis is a far greater work than anything Mozart wrote for voice. Beethoven’s output for the piano is far, far greater than that of Mozart. The artistic breath is incomparable.
Mozart is formulaic and not the greatest when it comes to developing material.
@@HermanIngram Seriously, are you tone deaf?
I'm like 666, must mean something
Kogda ya yem ya nem i glux. Tak izdevayutsa. Kto xochest lechitsa, poshli Na FIG!
3:20 nah this dude is too funny
Il est un specıalıtE... BurcuBlue🫒
Gould would later arrive for the Matrix!