Final Fantasy 16 To Continue It's War On Women
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2024
- SPOILERS TAGS: For Final Fantasy 16 new trailer aswell as Final Fantasy 14 story content leading up to Shadowbringers and BIG Final Fantasy 15 ending story spoils. That out the way its 3 years on since the last crys of Final Fantasy having poor diversity & representation of women. Appearing again as the Final Fantasy 16 story has gone with a male protagonist and some medieval style womens oppression. While I agree Final Fantasy 15 biffed its females potential, there is a bit more nuance to how the 15 saga planned to end its story. Barrett does shut down POC complaints in the Final Fantasy 7 Remake because he isn't token. Final Fantasy 14 ladys do count and as far as they don't, there haven't been a whole lot of dudes either in 10 years... because there hasn't been a whole lot of games. Still, really hope for great female leads in Final Fantasy 16, always do! Aerith is my fave of the 7 Remake and 10-2 is one of my guiltiest all time pleasures. GREAT WOMENS FOR FF16! But don't force it as biased inequality.
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How can anyone call SquareEnix discriminatory when the main character of 15 is an automobile?
ahahahahahhahaha this made me laugh so much
Lol car go “brrrrrrrr”
Ronald M. My favorite part of the game
Yo don't remind me of the most tragic death in 15! The Regalia was my light, the only thing I looked forward to after a hunt
The Regalia really carried the rest of the party, a truly great character.
Terra, Celes, Tifa, Aerith, Rinoa, Dagger, Freya, Yuna, Lulu, Paine, Fran, Ashe, Lightning, and Fang are all strong female characters.
Edea*
I'm so glad Paine wasn't left off of this list.
All of them don’t count because they are attractive women. They want a overweight person of color lead. There I said it. Give them one thing and they will cry for more, example A: look at the current situation in western countries.
I agree with you except for Dagger an Rinoa, they're the exceptions
Dude, even Vanille
Final fantasy isn't anywhere near misoginius. Aerith and tifa this year alone were handled very well. Also, let's not forget about yuna who had the weight of the world on her shoulders and never gave up, characters don't get much stronger than her. Lightning was the main character for multiple games even though 13 is one of the lesser popular games. This is just people with a political agenda spouting bullsh*t as usual.
lesser popular do you even know how popular 13 and lightning are actually are
terry mcginnis
It’s almost like the SJWs don’t really examine the content matter....
They just see an attractive female (probably get jealous of the CGI tiddies), and start REEEEEEEEING.
Eff this BS
Bruh what? Lighting is so popular it’s annoying sometimes
You can't even spell misogyny right so you might want to consider the fact that you're not exactly an expert on it. Video games have always been misogynist, that has been true for a long time and final fantasy is no different. Hell you pathetic fanboys cry over Tifa's breast size.
@@Auron1Roxas2
No it hasn't, how are videogames misogynist? Can you give examples instead of talking out of your ass?
- Me, a female final fantasy fan
Kotaku also wrote an article about how barret in ff7 remake was going to be a rasicst stereotype. These outlets only do this to generate revenue
No one reads their articles anymore so they make click bait and incite hatred for no reason.
Good thing Kotaku UK just got shut down a couple of weeks ago I think they went bankrupt.
@@itachi93674 yup, most tabloid outlets are going out of business. People arent falling for their bait
Prior to playing FF7 Remake I thought Barret was going to be a 1-note loud-yelling stereotype of a black guy but playing it and finding out how layered he is was a very pleasant surprise. For as much as journalists say gamers should try a product before criticizing it sites like Kotaku sure like to do the opposite and stir up rage on something they haven't played : /
@@VersusSEED Yup, personally I think the Barret is a stereotype in the original, is blown way out of proportion and flat out wrong in other cases. It's so popular to find stuff to be offended by rather than actually play or do research. Barret was based off Mr. T which isn't a whole community, it's one guy who got rich off playing himself. Barret was also a single father of an adopted daughter. Skin color played nothing to the plot, but people don't see that.
>< lol he is last time i checked. still love the game. His voice actor is literally told to play him like some kinds of 1980's ragging black buddy cop movie character.
Imagine fuming over a 5 minute trailer 🤣
Outrage culture get's the clicks. The people that write such articles probably don't give a shit, but it's about getting noticed, even for the wrong reasons
They don’t actually believe what they’re saying.
Unfortunately, making articles like this gets the clicks
Jesus fucking wept. As a woman, FF women are inspirational because they dress well, their hair is amazing and they're hot! There's nothing wrong with sexualisation and I, as a straight woman, like looking at beautiful women in my games. Did I even mention the plethora of pretty boys and men in FF? The characters are so well written that it doesn't even matter what their gender is. I love FF7 Barret (both original and remake) and I'm not a black man with a gun for an arm; so technically I shouldn't be able to relate to him (according to gender and race politics) yet I do. Every time I play FF14 I just look on in awe at how beautiful my female character is, how I get to dress her up and how I get to run around with the prettiest girly run. This journalist needs to shut up and stop trying to ruin FF games to appease her own ego; I bet she doesn't even play the games as most of these journalists don't.
Yup, a well written character's strength can be measured by their resolve, Yuna come instantly in mind. She is one of the most strongest female character in the FF series.
Sadly for the woke left/feminist, what make a female character "strong" is depending on how useless and weak they can make men be compared to them. They basically want all female characters to be Mary Sues, little to no personal growth but as long as the can mow down group of man after group of man.
@@Yomens123 I completely agree. They do want Mary Sue's and they dislike it when female characters have flaws but what annoys me about Western developers is that they try to appease the loud minority instead of just making good games for the majority. Thankfully Japanese developers aren't so easily swayed. I also hate gender and race politics, you don't need someone to look like you to relate to them and these activists, which is exactly what they are, lack any kind of imagination or empathy to immerse themselves into characters who don't match themselves completely. I don't need to be gay to sympathise with a gay character who is going through a hard time yet these people can't seem to relate to a straight character who is going through the same or similar difficulties. It's selfishness and narcissism of the highest accord.
FF probably made me bi because of how hot them bois are 🤣
@@Blackfire_2022 Hey, I would simp hard for a lot of the FF females. No shame.
@@peachesandcream8753 got to love the waifus and husbands🤣
6-- main character was a girl
7-- 3 of the playable characters were women, one of which has one of the most memorable scenes in the franchise as well as the entire history of gaming
8-- half the playable characters were women as well as the main villian
10- 2-- girls's trip, all playable characters were women
13-- that entire series was lead by women, with most of the playable characters being women
15-- you had women in many positions of power and were the main workforce of major city were women
This is by no mean a complete list. You forget the summons that are women, the MMOs in the franchise and other series outside of Final Fantasy. Square Enix has nothing against women.
14 - The majority of Eorzea's leaders (Limsa Lominsa, Ul'dah, Gridania) are lead by women. Ishgard being the only male lead nation.
DiscipleofPentagon Closer to home, there’s also Y’shtola, Krile, Tataru, and (everyone’s favorite) Alisae from the Scions. They’re very strong female characters who actually get stuff done. AND the people responsible for all these characters are the ones developing XVI.
ff10, main character was yuna but story was told through the eyes of tidus.
similar story with 12.
main character was asche but story told through vaan
9 - three characters were girls and one was an non-binary
4 - The most powerful white mage _and_ the most powerful black mage you can have in your party are both women. Not to mention the _entire nation_ that's run by women. According to the _FF_ wiki: _Troia is a primarily matriarchal society, led by eight female Epopts. Women fill other primarily "male" roles as well, such as being the guards, soldiers, doctors, and shopkeepers of the castle and its village. A peaceful nation, it has been known for never having participated in a war, although it appears to have a disciplined military._
4-TAY - Leonora and Harley; I don't recall much about playing them and probably didn't have them in my party much, but their personalities and stories were memorable (Leonora very nervous, training to be an Epopt, only to give it up to train as a sage; Harley as Edward's right hand, educated in Troia, keeping Damcyan from falling apart, and repeatedly lecturing sense into him when he wallows too much).
Final Fantasy has a legacy of amazing female characters in both its main and supporting casts, to say otherwise is just dismissive and sad. They are really grasping at straws here.
Yep its because they don't even really play video games and they want to force video games to cater to them. Its kinda stupid, especially expecting most of this stuff in a Japanese game, which, we could have gone forever without being graced by the RPG genre. Western games could've stayed being games like the witcher, shooters, etc.
@@zerosolis6664 Read the article man and it definitely "seemed" like the author has played a lot of FF games however I'm still so confused how she can claim that FF has poorly written female characters in the last decade (really she's just talking 14 and 15 here) when the most stan-able and well-written characters have been women!
She may have played FF but her shortsightedness and apparent obsession to find misogyny everywhere (most likely she's paid to look for it) made her write this ridiculous article in hopes to stir up controversy. Pathetic. Hope SE doesn't pay attention to this nonsense.
@@ifritrivera315
Because the only female representation they want are the Mary Sue type.
People just like to make up problems that don’t exist, and it’s so damn annoying
You're absolutely right because these extreme weirdo leftist s have to make everything about politics and don't get me wrong the other side could get involved and do the same shit too but they're the main ones doing it and neither side should be sticking their hands and someone else's pockets.That's why we can't ever have anything nice because these fools don't know when to keep their hands out of our pockets
@@mattmetawolf8634 here we goooo... 🤣🤣
@@IBlackSanta I got to keep it real my analogies may be a little bit weird like MF Doom but these guys got it been told and reinforcements have to hold the gates so these pencil heads don't get in 😤🤣🤣.
I can't afford to lose a good series like this and many more because all I know is 20 21 is going to be a good year for games being released and I need my fix of good games Daddy needs his juice 💀💀💀
Because they have no purpose they are desperate
As a woman, people need to shut up about FF and misogyny. Not every installment needs to have a female protag. As long as ALL characters are rounded and fleshed out, I’m good. Just make a good story.
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The trailer literally mentions that Shiva's dominant is a girl.
But she is neither black or a whale or both tho, seems being attractive makes it weak to have the ability to control one of the most powerful beings in the world which can throw off the power balance of entire nations
@@alexmag342 Well we don't actually see the dominant haha.
@@alexmag342 I like how you imply being black or having a larger body means youre unattractive :D
@ReelSmallPp Had a feeling this video would have some of the closet racist running out of the holes they came from lol
Japanese artists made game with primarily Japanese looking characters....Outrageous, absurd!!
Japanese looking?
@@arditienthusiast8384 I don't know what you think you read in my reply but obviously it was something completely different from what it says.
I'm questioning how the characters are supposedly Japanese when they clearly Caucasian. It's even pointed out in the video how the Japanese developers don't represent themselves.
@@arditienthusiast8384 I think my comment was quite clear, you just seem a little over eager to argue.
Most of the characters in the FF series are not Asian lol. Of hand I'd say Yuffie, Rinoa I'd have to think pretty hard to add anymore to the list. I'm sure there are more but ya most are clearly not Asian.
@@silentsaturn7604 when Japanese people are playing a role playing game like Dragon Quest or other game they are likely to identify the characters as Japanese.
I can appreciate a game whether its a male or female main character.
As long as they are well thought out characters with a well written story.
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p
well thought out and well written
Agreed, the fact that this is the best take and has so little attention makes me worried for the future.
@@siekensou77
Yuna, is one of the most well written and fleshed out female character in the FF series, She is arguably the real main character of FF10 narrated from the PoV of the second main protagonist (Tidus)
Her resolve alone make her a very powerful female character, her growth throughout the game show it very well.
Sadly a (Strong) female character can be hard to make nowadays, when the woke left/feminist are breathing down your neck, ready to unleash fury at you when you are crafting a woman character for you story, now being a (strong) woman only mean that a woman need to make a man seem useless and weak compare to her or lesser then her in all manner of skills and in all situations that may occur, a strong woman needs to be a Mary Sue basically.
A woman need to be shown to be able to take on a buffed man twice her size in a 1 v1 combat and break the dude spine with ease. That is what they mean by how woman in game aren't depicted as "strong". It has nothing to do on how their self grows within the story, it as everything to do making a male character completely useless compare to her.
If a female character, either main or secondary happen to "strengthen" or "uplift" a male character, it will be considered misogynistic, always.
It seems like in recent years, journalists/reviewers/article writers/content creators have wised up to the fact that controversy creates clicks and boosts visibility on social media (because of 'comment wars'). Now, a lot of them are trying to create controversy where there isn't any, I'd say the article is a direct result of that.
Bro you are so right and thats why I feel in 2020 people find too much entertainment in peoples misfortune or downfall
@@contrast9182 it's particularly frustrating when people are like "why are you so cynical bro"
Like, as though the world hasn't given people enough reason
"wisen up" lol, fuck's wise about that bullsht ( like, I understand what you mean, figure of speech and all that jazz, but... that's not wisdom what they display, that's fuckin' greed and _sheer fuckin' hubris_ and also: pure degeneracy)
countdown till "water is wet" is controversial :D
Who knows what compelled me to hit this ridiculous a topic up when there are a tonne of other exciting things to discuss. But it was too tempting an opportunity to bring the sexism gallery back out of the bin XD
But to reiterate I actually prefer female leads most of the time and definitely want great ones in FF16. But I only have that position because of how freaking great alot of the ladies in FF have been that I slightly prefer them! Taking the opportunity to play down all of FF12's, 13's and 14's ladies but play up the circumstantial cuts to 15's ladies. It's taking an unnecessary dumpster truck to the franchises legacy for no real reason imo
I think it's a slow news day and people will always find something to complain about, regardless of how illinformed or stupid it sounds.
A lot of the people I've seen who say that the male Protagonists dominate the female protagonists in FF titles either only judge it because the guy is 'advertised' and haven't played the games themselves or even tried to explore the lore behind the titles.
I'm different in that I prefer male leads most of the time. That being said, I want the male character to be accompanied by a strong female character that's close to, enough not completely, his equal. I want to ship an amazing, powerful, well-written, and strong woman with the main male character that I'm identifying with.
@@greenliongirl07 the SJW mob will NEVER be satisfied
@@captainkaiii True, that's why pandering to them is pointless. Plus they don't buy it anyway. They're mad fans are excited about a new game.
Lightning be like... “hello?”
I just hope we get some playable women characters this time around. The biggest bummer for me was that Luna, Aranea and Iris weren't playable characters and when they cancelled Episode Luna I was so upset.
I love Final Fantasy and I don't mind how they choose to do their games, I just hope we get some cool playable women in XVI!
FFXV, as much as I enjoyed it, missed the mark on a lot of things. I loved the start and mid-part of the game, being on an openish world adventure with my buddies, driving cross country and camping out, hunting monsters, but the story and every other character around it seemed just kind of out there and stilted, the entire thing felt like an afterthought that they tried to staple together.
Is why am hopeful Naoki Yoshida can keep the game from development Hell, I feel FFXV suffered really, really badly from that.
It's never enough for those people, it's not even worth giving them any attention
Yet here you are, giving them attention. Again.
There is no "enough," its just about what people believe is right. Of course there won't ever be an arbitrary "enough," and people will point out things that they find objectionable. Just like you will continue promoting the status quo, which is well within your right.
Why do people take articles like this seriously? "FF IS MISOGYNY" 🤪🤪The ignorance coming off the person that wrote this is just unbelievable. Goddamn Karen's just won't stop.
what's wrong with having male leads?? as long as they're interesting and well written i'm all for some hot male protagonists.
plus we literally just saw a 4 minute reveal trailer.. we don't know what other characters will be introduced.. why are people jumping to conclusions already. so stupid.
Media thinks sexism against men is good, because reasons...
@@r.daneel.90 facts
Facts
BIG FACTS
Nothing in and of itself, but male leads have been the default for so long that people would like to see more protagonists that aren't male. Fortunately that's what we've been getting with games like Bayonetta and Horizon Zero Dawn.
The ppl that complain about the games in these ways aren’t even fans they go out looking for things to be outraged about
I don't know why developers can't just ignore these fools😒
@@MarxasThomas dont worry japanese creators dont bend the knee
The same company that covered up Tifa's cleavage in her normal garb also made Reno dress the way he does.
Every major character, male and female, is physically attractive. All of them. It shouldn't be a double standard of "sexualization" and "power fantasies" that I always hear when the supposed former stereotype LITERALLY saves the protagonist multiple times.
I honestly don't care, Square are making games with stories and character they want to show, all I want is to have a good game and have a good time regardless of what characters are represented, which shouldn't matter.
As long as Square doesn't cave to these people. They screech about diversity and whatever so often that I just don't care anymore XD
@@animesoul479
Usually Japanese scoff at the woke left. I hope this trend will last as well.
Guess we’re gonna ignore lightning who is the strongest character and was confirmed by Square Enix. But I guess we’ll ignore that.. lol
No way she is.
She is the strongest protagonist that's for sure excluding warrior of light of ff14 who is way stronger by his/her feats.
Regardless ex death, the creator etc are still way more powerful beings compared to lightning.
I dunno, Light basically becomes a god twice and gains the power over time, life, death and all the other crazy bizzle you can name.
ffxiv MC kills gods as a warmup to begin the day, but of the single player ones lightning is up there for sure
In order to acknowledge her they have to admit they are wrong and they won't do that.
Im sure that, as a dude with a brother, i may have connected more with noctis and the chocobros than some people but that doesn't mean i cant appreciate what yuna, aerith, tifa, lightning, ashe, etc all go through. It should work the other way as well lol
I don't have any siblings. The people I've always considered my brothers and sisters are the friends that I've had for over or near close to a decade now. Moments with the Chocco Bros reminded me of moments with my friends because that's what we are we're not actually blood related but because of all the experiences that we've gone through we have a strong bond. The problem is I think that everybody has an issue whenever a scenario and a game doesn't fit them. This is why we always have a no-win situation doesn't matter if you're playing a guy or a girl a straight person or a gay person you will always anger somebody because they don't feel like the narrative or the character fits their personal experience. but like you said I'm more mature person has the ability to understand and empathize or sympathize with someone else's situation so the fact that majority of people can't do that without seeing themselves in the character leads me to believe that people aren't mature enough to experience the stories and if that's the case maybe they should play something else or different franchise entirely
@@LulutheJester i mean, if you played through the whole game and felt nothing in that credit sequence you are dead inside
To summarise my thoughts on this:
- While I wouldn’t say FF necessarily has a “women” or “diversity” problem, it would be nice to have another female protagonist. I don’t think that’s a radical statement? I’ve liked most of the FF women so I would always welcome more. It’s a bit upsetting that expressing this is immediately met with derision or denial.
- It’s 100% possible to relate and enjoy stories even without having the main character look like you.
- As a black girl, it’s always nice to see black characters, but after Sazh I’m alright if FF don’t bother 😂 Not to elaborate but Sazh felt like a bit of a walking stereotype lol
- Excited for FF16!
It's interesting to hear you say that about Sazh, and it's not the first time I've heard a black person say similar things, either. Maybe I don't pay too much attention to it, but to me he felt like one of the most human and relatable people out of that whole cast, although the emotional drama is part of what made it compelling to me in the first place (even though it's not one of my favourite games). He just seemed so out of his depth, so "ordinary" in some ways that it made him unusual by comparison to everyone else, even though he had just as much of a personal stake in what happened as the rest of them.
I guess you might see him as stereotype, and that's unfortunate, but not everyone does? I mean Barret is a great big Mr. T caricature, but he's also a passionate environmentalist and a doting father, so I ended up liking him too. Although there aren't many characters in the series I outright dislike other the ones we're supposed to. (I'm a bit ambivalent about Rinoa.)
It's not a problem, as such. It just limits what the stories could be. When a story is told from the same perspective, again and again, and with the same visuals again and again, then it starts to lack freshness. Imagine one of the main characters had eembuvi? or genuine locks? Imagine, a character literally couldn't disguise themself and sneak into somewhere with the rest of the party because they're skin is too dark or too light for them to pull it off? The discourse, the challenges, the realism and commentary all change, just by simple inclusion.
A character that's well written and well-diverse for a final fantasy game for pure reasons and pure reasons alone cannot exist they got to be just like every goddamn American female character written nowadays in America.because these people think their opinions really mean the world there's nothing wrong with a female character inherently is when you try to force that female character to be something they're not and executed in the most weirdest ways possible that nobody likes then you got to kind of ask yourself who are these characters made for because they don't relate to anybody. Regular female characters are perfectly fine they relate to everybody but these type of people they're not regular people so they don't believe you should write a regular character. Nine times out of ten these dudes aren't buying the game and they probably won't give a rat's ass about the character they butchered until the game starts doing bad because of one character making it insufferable.
You're right, there's truly nothing wrong with someone saying "I personally hope the lead character is a woman". However it's pretty clear from the coverage that there's an underlying accusation of sexism being levelled at the creators, which rings false.
Both my sister and my friend have told me how they prefer to play as women, but just as there are some women who prefer to play as women, there are also men who prefer to play as men. Most gamers are men, and most game creators are men. This is reflected also in novels. Male authors are more likely to create a male protagonist, and female authors are more likely to create a female protagonist. This is perfectly normal, as authors are more comfortable writing about their own gender, and often a creator puts a lot of themselves into their main character.
If women wish to be represented more in video games, the best way to do that is for women to start creating video games, rather than bullying male creators. To be clear, I'm not at all suggesting you're doing this lol.
@@Hawthornearts I can see them doing this with fantasy races, but no way are a company who aren't a tiny independent studio ever going to do something like that in a realistic setting. Well or believably portrayed or not, it just isn't going to fly and will upset literally everyone in some manner.
that's bs lol i feel like it's the opposite? women characters in the series are portrayed as strong independent women. Also, umm as long as the plot fit, the story is good, gameplay is great, badass characters design, i dont really care if the main char is man or woman.
as a woman i still love the series!
I've always felt that Yuna was just as a MC as Tidus in FFX.
She was tidus was basically the narrator
Listen, I'm hella gay and love me a sexy lady in my final fantasy's, haha. But I will say very often the same take on female characters is used in FF over and over. Not every female needs to be a GD sexy waifu. I get that the article is too critical and convenient leaving out points, but I don't think we should completely discount every single point they bring up.
Damn, I want a female protag/MC in FF like Velvet in Berseria. Self driven and focused, flawed, jaded, maybe a tunnel vision revenge story, badass, dark....except not half naked and not with only "safe" feminine character quirks/design. I'm tired of sexy, motherly, or innocent/ditzy being the default for writing FF women. Yes those traits exist in many women, but it'd be nice to explore beyond that. (Calling back to them 3 faces of Eve ;) )
Lightning was a great start but I want to see SE take real chances with thier main cast, PLAYABLE female characters.
(Also the FF16 comment about since it's medieval it's not a time where women are in positions of power......it's a game. A FANTASY. It's not Earth, Square doesn't technical need to adhere to our past historical garbage when telling stories for entertainment mate).
I don't think finding inspiration in male stories is the issue at hand. There are tons of male stories to find inspiration from and women do draw strength from those. Always have. People just want female characters and stories to be treated with the same level of care that men's often recieve.
I don't believe Square is ACTIVELY staying in a box with their female characters, but it's just very easy to fall back on safe/common elements. All story tellers can be guilty of this, not just Square.
Anyway Pez, always dig your content. Take care!
So are you saying that you just want more female lead characters? Cause FFX-2 main character were female. Type 0 had strong females as playable characters who were essential to the story. Yuna was as much of a main character as tidus. Both had issues involving parents. Hell tidus was just along for the ride while yuna had to save the world. The MMO’s gave fans the option to make your character female and become the strongest in that game’s respective universe. I’m pretty sure that there are other strong potentially main character females in the other FF side games.
No, we should disregard articles like these completely, and ostracize the Marxists.
Never give in to them, give the parasites an inch they will take a mile.
And yes characters need to be attractive nobody wants to look at ugly people especially in games.
Lightning is the worst written sjw pandering final fantasy character.
I see what you're saying but i'm caught off guard by your example... we already had a Velvet in Berseria-like character, Lightning in the original XIII, She was self driven, focused, flawed and had a tunnel vision revenge that she actually came to realize was affecting the people around her in the wrong way, same applies for the other characters who are just as flawed like Vanille or Snow or Fang.. even Hope was so dead set on killing Snow that he had to realize killing him won't bring his mother back, and on top of that, Lightning was MUCH less sexualized than Velvet in the first XIII game.. i'd argue she wasn't sexualized in the sequels either, sure her outfits were a little more revealing, but they don't amount to sexualization (not counting a couple outfits from LR tho)
Do we need more different types of female characters ? Absolutely, But Square already did a Velvet-like character in Lightning, and some other characters as well to a lesser extent, and without the need for revealing outfits to sell it either in the case of Lightning.
@@dot8731 to be fair, i did say "except NOT half naked and without safe feminine character quirks" when mentioning Velvet (like how so many skits of her past revolved around how good of a cook/cleaner/wife she would have made etc. I would have liked to see her teen self painted more than "yo you would have made a good mom and your hair is pretty"). But despite those few character choices, she's still got some solid development in her that is refreshing.
I actually liked Velvet's village outfit. Yes it was boring compared to her future look but i'd like to see more attempts at interesting adventuring clothing designs and not just the short skirts, short shorts, cinched waist, hyper-fitted bust, high slitted, low neckline variants FF women very often get (even the modest designs tend to be so tight there is no imagination needed for body type lol). Not all but often. I'm not hating on revealing clothing in general but when it's the norm it gets exhausting to see your representation in media constant reduced to sex appeal. (And I LIKE female sex appeal, but we have to acknowledge there's more to women than that. Not saying you think this way, i'm just typing out my thoughts on the topic).
Also I'm not sayin Lightning didn't embody some of those traits I was looking for. Honestly, the female characters carry FF13 in my opinion (but imo they again all have very safe and predictable design choices/personality elements for female characters. And I LIKE those characters, but boundaries could have been pushed). Solid roster. But 1 halfway decent example of a game in a franchise this large doesn't mean i can lean back and be like "welp that's enough for me!"
@@xT0K0x I agree with you actually, I love both Velvet and Lightning and I think they are excellent characters, I was just pointing out how they are very similar, Square already did a "Velvet-like" character with Lightning, I wouldn't mind seeing more similar characters however.
Jake my boy, these people, the ones writing that article and tweeting about it are INSANE! They do not care about others opinions, they think themselves superior, they're angry, basement dwelling creatures that sit around and troll all day! If you pay attention to them, it will just give you a headache. Please for your own health my bro, avert your eyes, play some XIV :)
I agree, he should play much more 14 rather than give these sort of people attention.
That's a good advice lol
Yeah but what they say is so mind-numbingly stupid that you can't help but give your two cents sometimes plus saying nothing gives them the go-ahead to just keep trampling these poor companies who actually are just trying to make a pretty penny and give people what they want.
It's not even their opinion. It's the opinion of what they think their target audience agrees with because more than half of modern Americans are NPCs with no ability to form a single thought of their own so require the media to tell them what to think. Feminazism is not an on-the-rise faction of feminism, it's taking over. SJW don't care about progress, they care about the next battle, because they would have no purpose in life if not tearing down something or someone as being bigoted, sexist, or racist.
these writing the articles aren't people, they're degenerate, uncultured SWINEs, no true fans of neither FF or gaming in general - they know nothing and they are nothing... just some loud, negligible minority that for some "reason" (bullshit excuse) are given the pass... don't know why, because "woke = broke"... Giving them pass to not be called names (race.ist, sex.ist,...) by some children trapped in adult bodies?! Call me names, see if I give a damn. -_- sheesh
guess were just gonna sit and ignore that lightning was confirmed by square to be the most powerfull characters and had one of the biggest square media covered characters
We're going to forget all manner of things about 13 because it was forgettable.
Alexander E Jones japan loved it. And still doesn’t negate the fact that a female character was the face of the franchise for years
@@BladetastersDelight Japan also loved KH3 so who cares what they think
@@AStrangeWindmill it wasnt forgetable
@@billyboleson2830 most people loved kh3 the only ones who didnt are kh2 stabs who want a carbon copy of it and whinny people who bitch cause kh3 aint for newcomers and lets not forget my personal favorite kh3 sucks cause it didnt have ff characters
If you want an example of misogyny, OG Final Fantasy 7, had Tseng slap Aerith like she owed him money......But in the remake they took that out, probably to pander to the feminists out there that would have vilified Tseng when he isn't that bad. It was probably a good idea to take it out anyways as I liked Tseng in crisis core.
Internet: We want a new FF game.
SQEX: Here's 0.001% of what we have been working on for the new FF game.
Internet: This doesn't check one of the gazillion boxes us "loyal fans" expect of a FF game, it's trash, won't buy it, not a real FF.
I’m so tired of hearing these complaints with FF. 1.) FF16 isn’t even out yet. Who knows what route they take with their female characters. 2.) FF14 has arguably stronger female characters than males (Minfilia/Oracle, Alisaie, Ryne, Y’shtola, Lyna, Shiva, etc.). 3.) While FF is loved by many, let’s no pretend that the vast majority of fans aren’t males. That’s not misogynistic - it’s the facts. So why not have more male protagonists?
I’m all for having strong female leads, but unfortunately, creators don’t know how to build strong women - i.e. Rey “Skywalker.” Her character arc wasn’t earned.
Instead of complaining, let’s enjoy the ride. Yoshi-P crafted one of best FF narratives - in an MMO of all games. It’s going to be ok.
Na you just never got the point of Reys character. She was never an underdog her arc is about self identity and self acceptance, she was never supposed to “earn” anything. and honestly compared to Luke and Anakin the bland zero to hero and the literal force messiah her character stands out.
The issues with Rey's arc wasn't that it wasn't earned, but the way they went about it ruined any potential her story could have had. Similar deal as XV's botched story, the development just got in the way and specific to SW their creative heads just never saw the potential that was there for ANY of their characters. It's really messy, and disappointing, and a strong argument for why you can't just call for representation and then call it a day once you get it. You gotta fight for the better stories too. We'd be saying different if the past FF games with female leads gave us bad stories. So even though XVI is being represented by a male PC, we won't know if it's bad or good because we haven't even played the game yet. If the PC was female, it wouldn't have mattered if the story just ended up being bad.
@@StrayBats Well the actual problem with Rey's character was that they didn't know what they wanted to do with her. They kept changing her arc in every movie and so she never has a moment to shine. They had no plan and totally ruined what was otherwise an intriguing character.
Aysaq Chaudhry Yeah, that’s what I meant by “the way they went about it” and the SW creative heads not seeing the true potential in her character, as well as the others. Basically they played it safe and did something derivative after another director tried to do something different. But yeah, they didn’t have an arc set for her since movie one, which is what enabled the 2nd director to go ahead and do what he thought was best.
@@StrayBats I would argue that they didn't just play it safe, they never even made a play, they were just too scared to just... go with it. I like that she was a nobody, you can have her forge her own story and legacy without being tied down by destiny and fate. Defy the fate of dark and light and actually end the conflict between the Sith and the Jedi by working together. But the movie (the Last Jedi) got too weird for mainstream audiences and I think they wanted something more familiar.
Cindy was dope imo. As an American, I've known quite a few southern belles that used their sexuality to distract and disarm folks. It keeps folks on their toes and from discovering their insecurities. It's a trope for a reason.
People's issue with Cindy is that her sex appeal was all that she was. It was her defining trait. It's understandable for people who want more female characters that aren't used as wank fodder for male gamers to be disappointed by Cindy. I don't like it either but it doesn't bother me too much because Cindy is not a central character and FF is a game series from Japan.
The other thing I hate when people mention 15 is that they don't realize almost every character in that game was written kind of poorly both male and female but like you said a lot of Boom balance off of tropes better very much kept up and then broken within the game. Gladiolus being the brutish cold-hearted pink was proven multiple times to lose his shit over things like cup of noodles and was truthfully a big soft you wanted to protect everybody in the group. Noctis walks around like a brooding mope trying not to show emotions but the truth is he's one of the most emotional in the group which is definitely shown by him crying at the campfire scene at the end of the game. I think Cindy is a perfect example and I love how we share the same idea on how they definitely went with the whole southern belle aspect to her. I also like RNA has a good example because she may seem like a die-hard follow the order Soldier type but in actuality she literally leaves the military position that she has and takes her Airship to go save people because she doesn't believe in the cause. While there are definitely some ham-fisted and lacklustre moments with the characters I don't think that they are bad and I don't think that the women are weak. The only problem I really have was with Luna because she was more non-existent rather than actually having any issues. But you can't say someone doesn't have a personality when they don't even have a presence in the game
@@madamaonyx8844 It's ok for sex appeal to be her defining trait. That's fine. But I disagree. I think her defining trait was her ability as a mechanic/engineer.
Cindy was second best waifu... Ignis is number 1
@@Chihiro-Kikuchi haha! Also, you misspelled Aranea
I cannot think of a gaming series that has done better portraying powerful, strong women than the FF series. I wonder if they will start attacking Mario for his attitidue to Peach...
The Final Fantasy franchise graced the world with Tifa Lockhart.
*‘Nuff said.*
I'm surprised and glad to see there is someone that like 13 as much as you do.
Best battle system in the series pre 7R
With a name like that I bet you just loooved the fate and destiny concept xD
Emiya Shirou XIII is one of my faves
The XIII trilogy is amazing.
Draven Henderson I wholeheartedly agree! 13 is amazing. Great story! Confusing yes, but great. Great music! Battle system changed every entry which made it interesting. Also, My first platinum trophy is FF13-2. Love lightning as a lead character.
Beatrix: "Am I a joke to this journalist?".
I'm just wondering... Are asians complaining about not being represitented in FF games enough? 🤔
Aren't they? Those cut-scenes of Tidus always make me wonder.
Obviously I don't speak for everyone but as an asian, I don't really see a reason to complain when most characters are too anime-ish to be compared to real life demographic groups.
Having the creator being asian is enough representation for me as an asian. It is a bit crude but it is like saying, "Hey remember that game you loved with all your beings? Asian made it"
I'm not. And I am Asian as fuck.
I'm an asian who live in southeast asia and I don't need to be represented in a game.
Haven't read the article.
Have no reason to believe that FF16 will not have women in its cast as it was a short trailer that was just released but I am curious and hope there is some sort of party system with unique and diverse characters.
Early Final fantasy had a pretty great track record of making female characters with diverse and unique experiences that felt alive and did not fall into (too many) tropes [could've done better with Rosa]. This started at 4 with some pretty tropey and male centered female characters that were yet given some innovative nuance, greatly improved by FF5 with a very fun and unique set of female protagonists with there own dynamic stories, designs, character development and independent personalities that do no revolve around MCBartz. And reached its peak with Final Fantasy 6 and 7 in which its female cast felt fully realized.
These are the games I grew up on and this was my impression of Final Fantasy being some of the best in the industry in terms of representing women (I say that as a male). From there I went to 15 where I actually was quite happy that the game took an all male cast and made it about a group of guy friends hanging out and sharing a platonic but intimate love, something surprisingly missing from fiction and is much needed now. That said, I do hope to eventually see a return to that track record instead of a turn to an all male direction.
However, in terms of racial diversity (as a black male) I do hope SE takes better strides. Barret was a staple loud stereotype, and the very few other characters I have seen, while I have not played their respective games, do not convince me by design alone that they wont be stereotypes either. It is understandable that a Japanese company represents their own people and culture but throughout the entire series there are white blonde characters that are represented and elements of black culture are littered throughout the entire series. For a 3 decades old groundbreaking franchise with a world market to have a fully realized main black protagonist, (male or female) would mean so much to many like myself and everything to me as a big fan of the franchise. Even a mainstream game (that is not an MMO) to have a character creator would be enough.
Representation really does matter, please don't let this article discourse convince you otherwise.
The takeaway is not XIII, its stuff like Cidney or Luna. I get your point but its hard to defend the 3D games as they have been either oversexualising females or made main female characters damsels in distress. I guess what people would want here is more focus on female characters and a balance of writing like in VII remake, but preferably without all the fanservice.
I feel like people are missing the point. I happened across the articles before Pez posted this video & my take away was entirely different & I really thought Pez would bring interesting points to it, but he kinda ran with the misogynistic aspect. In no way does the writer of this article seem to infer that Final Fantasy is misogynistic, as it seems she's lamenting on the writing of women in recent FFs. The title references last decade, given that it's 2020, she's specifically talking about 2010 and beyond. And as a woman who loves this series to the death of me I have to agree with lamenting about the lack of depth women from Final Fantasy games have had since 2010 and on. I love Lightning but she never had the hold on me that say, Yuna or Tifa or Aerith has had. And while I have never minded Cindy & I completely felt like the outrage against her was bogus, I did expect Luna to be written better than she was. Like take my bias away from Final Fantasy aside, and yes the decline in how women are treated in the games is apparent, in that they aren't written really well. I wanted to feel for Luna or Iris, but to be honest they are forgettable as strong leads because they just wasn't in the game at all, but FFXV didn't get the treatment it deserved. She makes valid point about FFXIV's weird writing, that while amazing, doesn't shine nearly as much light on women as maybe other Final Fantasies would have. The women in FF are powerful & capable as any man, I love that so much about the series & they still keep to that. But for as powerful as women as Luna are, I don't know her or care for her like I did Yuna, even though I should because they are so similar. I love Lightning because she's badass, but take that away from her and ... A character being powerful doesn't make them good and while we get tons of powerful, capable women in recent games we never get to know them to care about them. Aranea was dope but I don't know her like I do Tifa. Y'shtola is a fav from a character standpoint... But she's always comatosed in FFXIV storywise. Luna died before she even had real screen time and spent the rest of the game a ghost for Noctis.
There's nothing wrong with wanting the women in FFXVI to be more than just strong, powerful mages. There's nothing wrong with wanting the games as a whole to improve on the writing. I have faith because the Remake came out amazing, but I don't blame this author for disappointed, because I mean she's got a point.
Everyone in the FF series after 2010 lack depth, male or female.
I play FF14, so at least everyone is bada$$, male and female xD
But from a feminist standpoint i guess it is only bad when its a female character that lack depth Mmmm... almost of its male don't matter anyway since they are so damn disposable, if a male character lack depth its only a bad written character, but if a female character lack depth it is suddenly a misogynist attack on all women that come from a deep rotten rooted well of sexism where the devs are rubbing their greasy, woman hating, hands together into a unified coalition of men that are hellbent on making woman being in a supportive roles in games. As if a woman has NEVER been a main protagonist in a game EVER before.
@@Yomens123 I never called this series misogynistic, nor did I claim to be a feminist or was making this a feminist argument in any way. I completely agree and that the writing as a whole since 2010 has been really crappy I'm not in any way shape or form trying to say otherwise. Nor am I trying to imply that it only extended to women in any sort of way. no I don't know if you're claiming that's what I did but you could easily just be in general talking about the article and so on but the only reason that I'm not talking about men is because the article is specifically about the women. I I won't argue to the death of me about the decline of the writing as a whole because quite frankly it's very apparent But at the same time too what makes the issues with women a bit more apparent here is that they just usually not only are badly written but they don't even get screen time. You can certainly argue that noctis in the gang and Final Fantasy 15 was written badly but at least I was able to care about them because they were on screen quite so often and I fell in love with their interactions. I can't say the same for any other women that appeared in that game at all. Not that I didn't want to like them just that I really couldn't cuz I just didn't care because the game didn't make me care. However will I go on to say that you know a Final Fantasy is misogynistic? no I actually think that that's very unfair to kind of levy the games. in general there's so much that's going on in the development of much of these games that end up like showing itself within the games themselves.
there is so much that is happening with the decline of these games that have little to do with Final Fantasy trying to be misogynistic however denying the point that at best most of the women really just serve the plot and they no longer have any sort of traits beyond what's described to them because that's what they told us. by no means am I saying that the men in this game aren't written well either or that they don't have problems but that they just get screen time. in fact if you read the article in full you will see that that's precisely what the author was saying. Like I said I love Y'shtola but at the same time too like she just was comatose throughout the majority of the story. I wanted her to be a fave but she just wasn't really there despite having all of the amazing concepts behind her to make her amazing. same with Luna she's practically Yuna but I have no connection to her whatsoever because the game never gave me that it just told me I should care. lately it's been a whole lot of tell and don't show and that especially happens with the female heroines in the majority of these games nowadays but that doesn't in any way define Final Fantasy I will never call it misogynistic because I just don't feel that it is. The writing sucks all together but this article was about women so the conversation is about women I will discuss men when I feel like it or when the article comes up but that's just what's happening here I'm just discussing the article.
@@Yomens123 really sorry for word vomitting btw. I used the speech to text & I have a habit of being redundant to iterate my point.
We don’t even know if the main character is set in stone. Given Yoshi-P is leading the game’s development there is a possibility that we may be able create our main character.
I feel like we will get a main character, but we will get to customize them heavily.
Please oh please SquareEnix don’t bend the knee to cancel culture...
Well they are a Japanese company and they generally spit on the face of stuff like that saying “screw you people were going to do what we want and more so out of spite”
As if FF15 men aren't hypersexualised as well. It's a fucking boysband.
Most of the characters are hot in FF.
The important is the story.
I've never felt the need for my sex to be "represented" in a game. That never mattered to me. I want the escape into the characters created, male or female, as long as they are well developed and written. Frankly, for FF7 for example, I identify more with Barret and Cid, anyway.
We like Tifa.
We're all good.
Yep we good
What website is this from, kotoku? Polygon?
This just in: Every single strong female Final Fantasy character has ceased to exist, apparently, because this one shitty "game journalist" thinks it's "not always easy to be a Final Fantasy fan AS A WOMAN".
Give me a break. Everything that doesn't bow down and kiss the ground women walk on is "inherently misogynistic" these days.
Read the article. As a woman and someone who has played FF for the past 22 years, I thought the article was ridiculous. I would say more but then this comment would be a mile long 🤣
Give me the the link of the article dude. I need some jokes today
@@awalrifat5420 I'm thinking this is the one pez is talking about. www.fanbyte.com/trending/the-writing-for-last-decades-final-fantasy-women-has-me-cautious-of-ffxvi/
mmm Vaan was added last minute just to have a young protagonist although Basch was supposed to main character but they thought he was too old to appeal to young gamers lol
Man I wanted so hard to avoid this "discourse" when I started seeing blog posts go up about this, but you've come out and said your piece so I will too: what is WRONG with people not being able to have educated, civil discussions about something without turning it into a toxic word vomit war? I want another female PC as the face of FF as much as the next person, but XVI just got ANNOUNCED and I'm not holding our boy Shield as the MC against it or the franchise. There is so much about this game we don't know about, it just feels weird to bring up this upnow.
I should really read the article to get my own full grasp on what it's trying to say, but I think it's really unfair to blame an entire franchise for one entry's mistakes. I only just started XIV, but I don't see how a successful game like this could be compared to what is arguably SE's biggest fuck-up for FF since... ever. I dunno, have they screwed up a game worse that XV? (Yes, I'm aware of how divisive XIII was, but for all its faults that series was pretty solid for me and I'm of the few who did enjoy XIII's story, even if the gameplay makes it hard to replay it. XV doesn't do that for me, story or gameplay-wise) Honestly, to be really fair you'd have to include the environment XV was built from and why the lack of playable female characters was such an issue for that game. From what you've shared (22:23 into a 30min video), it doesn't sound like the article even made a mention of this (again: need to read it myself to be sure).
To play devils' advocate, let's focus on why that was an issue for XV in the first place: it was a game announced at a time where studios really caught flack for not considering suggestions that maybe they should try to have a female PC headline their series. I remember people counting how many games at E3 even showed any female characters headlining their games, vs how many were headlined by men. It was a heated topic for film franchises as well, alongside calls for lead POCs (that was beyond presenting them in type cast roles--like black people as slaves, for example). At the end of the day, XV came out and showed its flaws went beyond the lack of playable female characters: its troubled development meant a lot of its story was cut, including key story beats involving the female characters already present in the game. Cancelled DLC that would have let us play as them? That's just added salt to the wound.
In today's context, this article is bringing up an issue that has, in my opinion, evolved beyond "is the lead a female PC". We've had female leads, and we'd certainly be okay with having more, but we've come across a more pressing matter that SHOULD NOT be ignored when you make calls for representation like this: how well are you going to do the representation part outside of having a race and gender you agree with? Are you gonna go the extra mile and ask to involve people who are being represented into the storymaking process? Are you going to go above and beyond and ask for stories that speak to the experiences of those who see themselves represented? Or are you going just say a work is acceptable for casting a female lead and/or a POC lead and ignore that it was done to check off the diversity box, and be fine with nothing substantial being done with them as the leads of the story?
Let Final Fantasy XVI make a case for itself before you go and judge SE for doing a 'disservice'. We haven't even learned Shield's name yet, for crystals' sake.
I know the above is already A LOT, but the female vs male PC "discourse" question is dominating the replies, and you did ask about thoughts on how race is represented in these games. I'm Asian, so I need to point out that race representation should be taken with a grain of salt in terms of how Japan handles representation of non-Asian POC. OG Barret was an embarrassing caricature, and thank God the sequel righted that ship. Did it mean SE back then was racist? No, because at the time their best knowledge of black people was through icons like Mr. T, and really bad stereotypes presented by Western media. And there's also the concern that even now, while Japan does boast a growing diverse population compared to before, there is still a glaring lack of non-Asian POC voices behind the scenes. They're not doing bad, but they can do better: like my friend said, who is black, she liked seeing more black NPCs in 7Remake but she also wants to see new characters with the same importance as Barret and other main characters in future games. It's good but can be better.
Japan media now, based on things I've heard or seen, is doing a lot better about writing characters who are black compared to how they were doing it in the past, BUT it's still a work in progress. It's important progress, but as always you shouldn't admonish and punish someone for lacking that knowledge or intention and should be supporting their efforts to make that change. Instead of, you know, bringing the "social justice" crusade down on them and then calling it a day. That doesn't help AT ALL.
Before the video, Lightning's the main protagonist in 2/3 games and she got to kill more than 1 God and became a savior. Lightning gets more promotional art than most characters before FF7 and is quite possibly 1 to 1 in exposure to FF7. I love Lightning and can clearly see this statement meant the person missed a whole decade.
I'll watch the vid now pez.
After watching the video I really enjoyed your breakdown, I somehow had a sneaking suspension that it was a Kotaku. Look I don't mind that there are very attractive men and women in FF but the real crime is THERE IS 1 TREE THAT IS A MAJOR ANTAGONIST!!! TREES ARE GOOD FOR YOU SO FF5 IS A DOOMER STORY!
But seriously, if I have to relate to something separately by my race/gender/sexuality vs just appreciating it I might have a personal problem.
@@Sin606 not to mention taking on the immortal being Caius, time and time again without end, lightning is in a league of her own
Try reading her article in good faith. This guy is being the exact thing he claims to hate, and the journalist makes really good, fair points.
Me as a woman always loved FF games. I loved playing as a male character and I loved playing as a female character. I would love to play as a chocobo if that matters.
I never felt the games as misogynist versus women at all. Yeah, female-Cid in FFXV was a bit too slutty but a lot of dudes were described as gym-obsessed idiots or as complete depraved men (Don Corneo and his buddies, remember?). This does not mean that all men and women were described as stupid or as bad people. I always thought they did a great job in giving us examples of people that you could truly meet in person. The main protagonists have always been pictured as strong women/men with their own personalities and destinies. So all those articles sound kinda weird to me. Did they ever play any FF game?
cidney was a bit like a racequeen + mechanic in her design.
I think you can play as a chocobo in a mystery dungeon series although I've never played it myself.
@@AnnoyingSquib I think it was an extra level in FFVIII that you could access in some weird way but I never played it as well! :D
I'm asian, should I complain that these Final Fantasy games don't represent me? No, I complain when I don't like the narrative. It's a game and a fantasy just write a good one. Games should not be forced to mash representation in. That article just comes off as click bait than intellectual argument when it did not count the lightning trilogy and downplay the female characters from FFXIV.
That article was written by a Karen
I feel so bad for women named Karen as now it's related to b*tches :
True
that article was written by a degenerate, uncultured swine with poor taste and not a true fan
rabauhn looks like a mexican tour guide
@@matc1995 facts
I just keep asking myself when I see this kind of article... WHEN WILL THIS SILLY SHIT END?!?
Do they not realize that 6, 10, 12, and the 13 series are all the stories of women taking on the world? 6 had Terra and Celes as MCs, 10 is the story of Yuna, 12 is arguably the story of Ashe, and the 13 series is literally all Lightning.
yep. vaan and tidus are just the lens through which we see their stories. yuna and asche are the mc of their games
lightning killed a literal GOD
I am going to say almost everyone in FF15 is sexy. Hell, most characters in every final fantasy game are attractive.
Because that's what sells. Attractive men and women.
as if it was a work of fiction... I recommend you to watch "Last Action Hero" (1993) with Schwarzenegger - if you don't want to watch it, or maybe you have seen it before, here's a "plot summary: Basically a boy who's a fan of action movies gets his hands on a "magical" ticket and gets sucked into the "movie world/dimension/whatever" - the point is: there are no ugly people in there... that's the connection I'm trying to make... Like in every FF, everyone's so damn pretty)
"sex(y) sells", ages-old truth right there, bub
Growing up, I accepted the way female characters we portrayed in Japanese culture because it was targeted to me as a male. As an adult, and the father of two girls, it bothers me. Especially because characters like Lulu, Rikku, Fran, and Tifa are such great people. Wonderful character arcs. Real growth and conflict. Yet, they were designed to visually invoke a different response than their story should. It's why I loved watching Avatar with my seven year old. Strong feminine characters that are almost always treated equally to the male characters. And when they aren't, they stand up for themselves. Loved the line about 12 years a slave, Pez. Spot on. Context.
As a long time FF fan AND a woman I don't see sexism in them, I see stories. The authors of these kinds of blogs are just eaten by their own inner misogyny, because the only accept women they deem to be the "REAL" according to their own personal standards, whatever those are ignoring the fact that there are a lot of different types of women with all sorts of stories. Weak woman, still a woman, feminine woman still a woman just like a strong woman, still a woman. PS. Aranea was my bae in XV, I saw enough to fall in love with that character.
here's the crazy mic drop, it's their games, they can make it how they want.
we all know balthier is the mc of 12
Actually Matsuno stated in an interview that AShe and Basch were the original MC couple. Vaan and penelo were added because the company wanted younger pretty characters that would appeal to young gamers. I mean I think him being salty about this was part of why he left after several staff members quit to join Sakaguchi and Uematsu at mistwalker.
@@markboniol3952 i know, i was making a joke, balthier has several lines about being the 'leading role'
3 minutes in and i'm already nauseated enough to be having to make a considerable effort to sit through this video
I'm a female and FF fan and believe this series portrays women well. I've never had a problem with FF.
You wanna know how badly FF girls can be turned into sex objects wait till FF7 Remake hits PC.
These articles don't deserve the attention you're giving them
You're right they don't but the problem is is that the problem will keep growing if you try to ignore these guys because then they'll find some moron who will really believe this crap. And then the problems just going to grow like a wildfire if we don't contain them
Regardless on whether or not you do give attention or no attention at all to your opposition, not much will change sadly.
- Not speaking out against them will have them grow in silence.
- Speaking out against them will have them grow out of spite.
@@ZelumPendragon true but those guys don't grow as fast out of spite look at what happened to last of us part two it grew for a short period of time and then after a while it just started to decline older games are now outdoing it.
Here's hoping the new prime minister won't allow outside influence to dictate their culture.
@@ZelumPendragon God I hope so cuz entertainment used to be simpler back then whatever the fans asked for it you got it whatever they wanted you to leave out no problem it was never any outside influence. I just hope we can go back to those times
Who doesn't like the opposite sex?
11:19 Omg ahahaha i couldn't keep it together, jesus man you're killin me here.
Pez saying Ashe is the main/lead character and making fun of Vaan, but he's forgetting that Balthier is the true lead of FF12
Imo Vaan is the prettiest female protagonist I ever seen in FF🙃
Balthier is the leading MAN :) Ashe might be a leading Woman :D
@@rafaspyra9776 Balthier is the lead regardless of gender. Don't you ever disrespect Balthier like that ever again.
@@d.sack2727 Im sorry, i will never disrespect my favorite character in FF Universe ever again :(
@@rafaspyra9776 Good, good
I've said this before and I still stand by it. Final fantasy xv did more to dismantle toxic masculinity than the SJWs ever did. As a woman, it was powerful to see the bonds they had with each other, that Gladiolus was such a softy when it came to his sister, that prompto could feel insecure about himself, and that ignis literally played the mother role to all the bros. I loved seeing the purity of their relationship, the way they were portrayed as REAL HUMANS. I cried with them and I cried for them, it doesn't matter what their gender was, that's for sure, but I also didn't feel like I couldn't connect with them just because they were all guys. Their interactions were no different from mine with my girlfriend's.
Thank you for reminding us that FFXIV x USSR anthem was a thing
Video - *Title.*
Me: "So do half of the FF games not count or...?"
Great female characters: Rosa, Rydia, Lenna, Faris, Krile, Terra, Celes, Relm, Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie, Quistis, Selphie, Edea, Garnet, Eiko, Freya, Yuna, Rikki, Lulu, Paine, Ashe, Fran, Agrias, Every other female in Tactis, Lightning, Fang, Sarah. I haven't played the others much to know anything else but fuck me...
Squall equipped his SJW and lost his memories, but now he can summon Backlash.
more like he can roast sjw
Squall is the most anti sjw character lol
The same writters of theses articles would write articles against americain imperialism but wrote an article forcing Japan devs to bow to their view (the west) of how diversity an feminism should be portrayed in their games.
As a female gamer I can clearly say I just want a great story with well written characters. I love ff15 the story of the four guys friendship grow thurout the story even if there was a bunch of holes that was there for the dlc in base game it was still good.
I dont care if the characters are Male or female, or what race they are. It is the story and gameplay that I care about. Final fantasy has always done that great story and good characters with only a few hiccups.
If square bends to this we riot
They make what they want and they need to stay like that i hope so
Yep
Why is it that so many of these arguments on misogyny in FF games against women are instigated by the male fans of the series?
You mean Soyboi male feminist, not fan.
They only dream to be under the heels of a woman and be dominated by them.
You touched on my biggest worry for FF16 at the end there. I really don’t want it to follow one character only, but the trailer does make that look like the case.
Or they had finished the battle animation only for that character...
I cant believe that this is what some feminists care about. They make it so hard for the rest of us to talk about actual misogyny and serious issues linked to it.
When everything is misogyny how can you tell the real from the fake... Now for a man to not being misogynistic they need to push for misandry...
Just like Racism, everything is racist... I thought that treating someone for the content of their character and not their skin color is the least racist thing to do, BUT NOPE. Pushing segregation and treating someone differently by the color of their skin in the now the least racist thing to do. That is what the woke left pushes everyone throat...
If man aren't below a woman in any given situation, it will always be seen as misogyny.
@@Yomens123 Thank you for illustrating my point perfectly. Because of the people doing these articles, to normal people it becomes : "they keep changing the goalpost anyway so why bother learn about misogyny and how to fight it ?" And that's how they hurt the very cause they pretend to be fighting for as part of their virtue signaling.
The person who wrote this, "Natalie Flores" it took me five seconds to look up that she is a raging feminist. It was so obvious.
You can't count FFXIV! Not with a continent ruled by women, especially not with the Shadow Master behind it all being a woman... I'm of course talking about Tataru! Sigh.
On a side note, I’m fairly sure the owner of the gym in remake is supposed to be trans. I could be wrong but that’s how I saw it. And the whole honey bee thing and the cross dressing.. cmon now.. I loved all of it. In other words, I agree.
Just going to ignore that there's like thirty strong capable female characters in FFXIV? I'm sorry but a ton of people have tried to make this argument with the Final Fantasy franchise over the years, and it always ends with them looking like crazy persons. About the closest people have come to a winning argument is Cindy's outfit from Final Fantasy XV. Even there though, for that to work you kinda have to ignore the fact that practically every male character in the cast is also drawn to look like eye candy. You even have Gladiolus back there walking around with his beefy pecs and six-packs constantly on display. FFXV definitely titulates the audience, but at least to an extent, they're an equal opportunity offender on this front.
Besides that, I don't really buy into the idea that playing around with a little eye-candy necessarily means you're disrespecting a given gender. That idea always seemed like a bit of a puritanical hold-over to me, and I say that as somebody that's reasonably religious.
You are trying to force logic into lunatics that think they don't have a gender and think that they can switch species at any given moment, human to animal/insect.
Trying to explain to them the simple concept that men find women attractive and that women find men attractive is like teaching Quantum Physic to a 3 year old brain dead, paralyzed, blind, deaf infant and expect them to write you a complete, 300 page, essay the next morning.
@@Yomens123 One could substitute some few words in what you've said and apply it to you...
I love that you got this video out here despite its controversially. Really awesome of you Pez!
I don't understand why people think we need to have this or that. We could have more diversity but it is mandatory like people make it out to be. I always say who the character is, is more important than why the character is. I mean in real life we usually like other people fore their personalities and what not
Final fantasy literally has some of the most well liked female characters in gaming?
Well Written and Beautiful Female characters? Either Directed by SquareEnix or Kojima
@@nguyenthanhhai6725 funny shit back when MGS V came out, you know, Quiet... They bitched how she's "overshmexualized" and shit... A) she was dressed the way she was dressed because she fuckin' breathes with her skin! putting clothes on would fuckin' suffocate and kill'er! B) she was based on a real person (like her body was that actress - a literal 3D body scan of an existing girl! These retards got offended by an existing, living person's body! Probably because she's fit and slim and not a fuckin' "land whale ahoy!") -_- just fuck'em SJW journos
Idk I see where they're coming from. 15 was really disappointing in the lady department. So was KH3. Playable female characters, aside from 7R which is a remake, is pretty hard to find. Lightning was LAST GEN. Why no playable Kairi? No playable anyone in 15? And this trailer only showed combat from one dude. I get it. After 15 it's a big let down
Ignore the SJWs, Pez. Those losers reeeeeeeeee about everything. "Final Fantasy is misogynist". Lmao. Final Fantasy has literally the most iconic female characters in game.
Tifa can literally kill a man with her fists, what's misogynistic about that?
Her hentai is awesome
@@Yusukeleon lol
She's attractive with big boobs. That's misogynistic towards insecure women who have small boobs. Lol
@@nikkilengyel lmmmmmmaaooo
@@nikkilengyel nomura was forced to csensor her the boob part cause society is bunch of whinny kids
As a female FF fan who has played nearly all of them... this woman is just too narrow in her focus. Those XIV characters are it. Literally 75% of the rulers of the city states are female. Merylweb, Kan-e-senna, Nanamo, Lyse... the ONLY male head of state is Aymeric. And seriously who blames them making him the head of state. I just want good characters.
Omfg, I want these moral puritans and lunitics to stay out of final fantasy and games in general. I would bet a lot of gil that the majority of the people complaining don't play or like final fantasy. Ff15 had to rewrite alot of its initial story and scripts partly due to these same sjw type people complaining about Luna and domestic abuse. I wish Japan didn't care for the most part and we could play these games with the original creative freedom the writers and developers had. It just makes me sick that such a small amount of loud people can change things and I hope that this game stays the same. They need to take cyberpunks que and just say no.
They aren't moral, they are marxists.
Well, FF15 is a development hell (literally) and its writings and almost every part of the game suffered from it so it isn't exactly a good representation of how FF rolls their stuff. If Remake is no count then 14 is a better representation on how FF story usually goes, might seems boring at first but the longer it goes the game got better and better, maybe with few pitfalls but yeah, it really is FF series in nutshell.
My fav ff games are 7, 8, 9 and have knowledge of 10, and 15.
The way FF story is told, unlike many other single player game stories or any fictional stories, the Player Character (PC) != Main Character (MC). In ff stories, the PC often take a "observer role" as a second person (not as a third person aka narrator). In above mentioned games, it is always the heroines that have the most authority within that world. Aerith -> Lifestream master, Rinoa -> world strongest Time Mage, Garnet -> Literal Future Queen, Yuna -> summoner of godlike entities, and the true MC as PC was just a dream xP, Lunafreya -> summoner of gods and the only reason PC is alive and kicking.
Shrugs just my view on ff stories xP
I love lightning the character. there has been many great female characters in final fantasy games. I love dagger as well. This coming from a girl gamer herself.
Funny thing is final fantasy is mostly played by kids and women in japan lol
Why can't a woman say their experience without you getting your panties in a bunch? It's a fair point she makes. We can be excited for a game and also point out it's flaws. We can enjoy a game and acknowledge that the gaming industry doesn't always serve women very well and push for better.
FFX-2 was the first FF game I’ve ever owned, so I wouldn’t exactly describe the game as a “guilty” pleasure.
Gotta watch out for massive hard enix, it corrupts all
They're not ashamed to make hot girls and I love it.