1 Ton Jeep JK Axle Swap - Dynatrac Hard Core 60/60 and MetalCloak Longarm Suspension
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- My buddy Joe's Jeep is getting some one ton upgrades! I stuff a couple of Dynatrac Hard Core Pro Rock 60/60 axles for the JK Wrangler under his Jeep and in this video will give you the rundown for the project and an overview of the parts installed.
Here's a link to the axle kit:
www.dynatrac.com/axle-assembl...
For suspension we are going with the MetalCloak JK Wrangler 4.5" Lock-N-Load LongArm Compound kit. It's the very same kit I just installed on the AutoEdits Jeep and I LOVE IT!
Here's a link to that installation video: • 4.5" Jeep Lift Kit How...
And the link to the MetalCloak website:
metalcloak.com/jk-wrangler-lo...
This should end up being about a 5 part series as I break down the big components of the upgrades and impact of doing a one ton swap in my garage.
Hope you enjoy and ask any questions you might have in the comments!
Give me a follow over on instagram if you'd like...
/ autoedits_jason
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This channel is incredibly underrated. Great videos!
I appreciate that!
Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for the great info.
I think I’d feel better you working on my Jeep than an actual shop lol u do great work man! Plus very detailed which is always a good thing
I appreciate that!
I almost shit a brick when I saw this because I was thinking “didn’t you just put a UD44 in????” Hahah. That’s not your Jeep. 🤭
LOL... Joe's Jeep... that brick thing gave me a chuckle!
@@AutoEdits for real I didn’t even watch the video I saw the title and the picture and I was like🤭 he sure does like swapping axles! 😭😭😭. When you come to Colorado next time let me know and we can go wheel
I agree... I wish I could afford to do 44's and then a month or so later go big :)
OK, buddy's rig. He gets a by
@joed596 cracked me up! 😭😭😭
Looking forward to seeing how this all works out! Missed not seeing Pinto though...
I am interested in getting this dialed. I'll see if Pinto will hang out for some of this build up!
Me as well, I watched all the way to the end in the dashed hopes of a Pinto sighting. Bummer:) Bet you helper would've helped and you wouldn't be hurting having to go at it all alone.
Great video. I like how you discuss the "intangible effects" of a project of this stature, affects the older wrench turners like myself... sore back, weird work angles, ....
Thank you very much! Yeah, it's time start re-calibrate my own brain on what I'm capable of.
Such greatness Jason as always!! I still worry about you getting her out of the garage 😂🤣😂
You and me both!
Thanks for the videos, you've given me the confidence to do some minor wrenching on my Jeep. Nothing crazy-yet.
Thank you for watching and leaving this amazing comment... so glad to hear that!!!
Jason, I like that your breaking this up into digestible chunks and will be following intently thanks.
Glad to hear this... I'm just going to have some fun with it and get some content and good interactions!
Awesome job. And I can’t wait for more videos in this series.
Thanks!
I have been running Teraflex Speedbumps on my 16’ JKU for a few years and I completely understand why your friend doesn’t want to get rid of them. They are amazing and will not limit “flex” or travel at all. My favorite feature is the progressive rate they have when Offroad at high speeds, you just can’t beat them.
They totally limit up travel... but I understand and appreciate why you like them.
@@AutoEdits if you have the correct size speed bump for your suspension lift, they shouldn’t limit up travel at all. I absolutely love them on my JK. You might have do do some measuring to get them dialed in for this application, since it’s a hodgepodge of suspension components.
Between this video and your own personal installation video you have totally sold me on the MetalCloak 4.5” lift kit. Just ordered it and greatly looking forward to experiencing it in action. Excellent videos.
Glad I could help! I've been very happy with it and so has Joe!
I’ve been comparing the MetalCloak with the Clayton long arm kits, thx for all the detail on the installation!!! Did you look at the Clayton lift too, much different installs as the Clayton kit long arms connect to an upgraded cross member….. which also means you need to drop the tank. I guess my question is the rear drop brackets on the MetalCloak: do they hit, and have you noticed any limitations like articulation?
Rewatching these. Man I love these. We need more Jeep videos Jason!
Coming up... lots of Jeep!
Love your channel, and definaly love your jeep builds. I love that you stuffed pro rock60s on your buddies jeep, keep up the awesome work
Thanks! 👍
I just got UD60 front and rear and anti rock sway bars front and back. I stayed with a shirt arm though. I can't believe how good it runs on the highway. I have a Cadillac for long trips but I've been taking the Jeep on the highway because it's amazing!
Great to hear!
I ended up having to buy a cheap set up jack stands and welding them to some car dollys to move my axle around Dana 60s are a beast to move by yourself. Awesome build 🍻
Great idea... now you tell me LOL!!!
Great video hope you and your family have a great Christmas
Thank you! You too!
Dang it man! Thought I was staying ahead with DIY long arm and a junkyard swap. Hardly put anything together and you're already on a second swap 😂
It's way harder to do junkyard swap than bolt on kits... you keep on truckin!!!
It’s interesting to hear the negative reaction to the Sway Loc. I have been running one on my 16 for over a year. It has all of the flexibility advantages of the Currie anti rock- but when locked it rides with less sway than factory. I run a 180# tent on the daily, so this was a huge driver for me.... but on and off road performance is unlike any other. Hope you dig back into that one- especially for heavy rigs. Another item that I didn’t catch- no rear sway bar... I get the flexibility- but there are some really good videos showing the traction gains by having a rear trac bar.... I run a anti rock rear for this reason...
Being honest, it seems clunky and stiff... it hits the body mounts on up travel and needing an air line for a sway bar disconnect is not solid logic for my Jeeping. But like I mentioned in the video... I'm willing to learn and your comment helps with that so THANKS! I'm going to suggest an ani rock for the rear for sure.
If you established a restomod or 4x4 company, I would definitely buy what you make because I know you will make sure every single bolt is torqued to spec.
I still miss stuff sometimes but I appreciate the confidence... LOL! Thanks dude!
just finished installing the Dana UD60s on my JK, I Definitely understand the back issues because they are so much larger then the 44s.
Good stuff thumbs up on your channel !!!
Howdy and high five to another lower back pain sufferer...LOL
@@AutoEdits
The things we do for Jeep improvements...
#truth
Great video
Thanks for the visit!!!
Great video, this should be a solid build!
I think so too!
Great learn something new like old saying teach old dog new tricks and your sharing helps next generation years to come . Great job Jason .
Thanks 👍
@@AutoEdits your very welcome and Merry Christmas to you and family 🐾 🎄⛄🤶🎅
I went from Rubicon Sway Bar to quick disconnect links to Antirock & finally SwayLoc, (manual version). It's the best attributes of all the aforementioned rolled into 1. Personally, I think it's a must have for anyone that wheels their daily driver. A couple of guys in the local Jeep Club recently swapped out their Antirocks for Teraflex's dual rate swaybar & they swear by it. I'm actually surprised Currie/Rock Jock hasn't manufacturered DRS of their own.
I appreciate this comment but I run the Rubicon E disco and can't see why I would change that unless it had been problematic ... which mine hasn't been. (fingers crossed)
Great videos!! Was looking at upgrading my axles here soon to a 44 front after watching the video of your install and now this!! Idk which would be better for what I want to do, I know the price is a lot more doing 60s!! Keep up the great work!!
It's not just a lot more for the axles by going with the D60's you need new brakes, wheels and steering upgrades ... so it's WAY more expensive. That's why on my Jeep I'm trying to sneak up on adding strength in the right spots without incurring all of those other expenses.
@@AutoEdits Ditto!!!
If you're running 37's stick with 44, 40's go with 60's.
I would DITTO “ Shitting a brick”. I just put a UD 44 on my 2015 JKU after your video!!
HA! That would be a shocker! I still like UD44... even planning on a follow up with some things on that in the next few weeks.
Eaton E-lockers have a diode in the harness so you will need to use their relay or add a diode to your wiring.
Good to know!
My Teraflex lift kit came with those front bump stops (back ones are different on mine). These bump stops are designed to work specifically with the Teraflex springs. Since the Teraflex springs are linear rate springs, these bumps stops make the springs work like progressive springs. They are also adjustable with spacers and collars to work with your lift height. Since the springs you have installed are dual-rate, they will not work together as smoothly as the Teraflex setup is designed to work. They will most likely be very stiff and hard when bottoming out. I would probably adjust the bump stop by removing a spacer or two and then testing it. Those springs and those bump stops are not designed to work together.
This all makes perfect sense. Thanks for the detailed info!
I did the pro rock 60s in my garage and it took 2.5 days not light however I used wheel dollies which was a big help. The axles say they have oil but mine were down 2 quarts each. I also took the time to prime and paint the break heat shields. Also the tuning fork up front in mine was causing an abs light. Pulled everything back apart and fond during the machining process 3 little pieces hadn’t been removed. There is supposed to be 52 holes. Also you will have to upgrade the master cylinder to a J8 which I was fortunate to get, they have been back ordered for some time now. Also the rim bore will need to be bigger 4.5” I went with the method which also means you will need the 9/16” spline lug nuts because of the tight bore in the wheel and when those are installed in the front no big deal however in the rear the lugs are a little bit longer and the will cut the ends off the lug nuts. Now when all done your jeep will be 1k heavier which is why I had motech install a 2020 LT1 with 10 speed. Weight is no longer an issue. Jeep’s are fun and very expensive as you know takes planning and a lot of saving. Hope this helps I’ve been watching you from the beginning 37” on a stock Jeep.
Interesting... I was wondering how they expected the stock master cylinder to work with much larger calipers. Your Jeep sounds like the absolutely perfect specimen!
I'm hoping not to find other little things wrong with the axles like you did.
Thanks so much for the input... It is greatly appreciated!
That SwayLoc dual rate swaybar rules! You get articulation without having to fully disconnect nor do you have to sacrifice body roll for flex like you get from something like an Antirock. Now the speed bumps...eh, not so much. It's a tough balancing act when you're running coil springs with shocks & air/hydro bumps which weren't tuned & valved for that coil springs rate.
This is good to hear because it seems a bit unforgiving and stiff. Thanks for the info. I'll learn more about it for sure.
@@AutoEdits it also needs the rear sway bar to work correctly. The lower rate in the front works with the rear bar to provide balance to the chassis.
Interesting... It doesn't seem to have much travel in the front either. It hits the body mount at barely any up travel... I can trim that stuff but it adds to the doubt in my mind about this component.
And when you mean rear sway bar... do you mean same brand and rear bar?
@@AutoEdits Get ahold of ORO and get the instructions. It probably was not adjusted correctly when installed. For the rear you just use the factory sway bar.
New video and I'm staying up. 🤘👍👍
I owe you one! Thanks a ton! (get it???) LOL
@@AutoEdits Zinger Jason! You're a good friend with Joe's Jeep. I can't wait for the following videos from your channel. 🤘
@@bubbie3533 Thanks, I'm glad you're here!
Damn Jeep is looking great get those 40s on there
RIGHT!?
Look into the rockjock anti rock sway bars. They work really well.
Will do! That's the one that keeps popping into my mind.
Stock fenders with 1 tons. A man of priorities.🙂
HA! Never put those two things in context and yes... hilariously good priorities!
@@AutoEdits great job as always Jason! Ongoing encouragement to all of us jeepers that build our rigs in our garages!👊
Ohhh okay. It’s his buddies jeep. I was hella confused...like didn’t he just put a brand new 44 under his jeep. Now I get it.
I completely understand the confusion... lol
SwayLoc! Disconnect from the comfort of your cab, no body roll & re-engage without having to be on level ground. What's not to like? I'll take it off your hands! As far as those speed bumps go, gimmicky imo. It's a regular bump stop masquerading as a hydraulic bump stop & at their price point, might as well run a nitrogen charged bump.
I'm slowly coming around to the swaybar and I'm 100% with you on the bumps!
Several comments about the Sway Loc- hope to see you dive back in on a future video 🍺
100% will... it's been interesting to learn more about it from the comments.
Excellent Thanks.
You are welcome!
The TeraFlex rear Speed Bumps appear to be pushing themselves into the Bump-stops buckets (evidence of wear on the Speed Bumps). This should be addressed to avoid metal on metal.
Good spot. Yeah... I've located the rear axle into a better spot using the adjustable track bar from the metalcloak kit and moved the teraflex thingy on the drivers side over an inch to actually hit the bump stop. I find it weird they wouldn't offset the base of those things. The metalcloak bump stop extenders actually take that offset into account which is what really brought that to my attention.
Hey Jason, awesome project! I really enjoy your videos and I really enjoy learning from them. As somewhat of a novice in the field what would be some of your tips and tricks to learn the basics and do you recommend any books, articles or videos? Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Howdy! I honestly don't have any reading recommendations but I know there are lots out there. I've just always gravitated towards old timers and people that are very good mechanics and forced myself to just shut up and learn. Getting out and doing is the best way and watch plenty of videos here on the youtube!
How is the power from the engine effected? You had to lost some due to the heavier axles? Is there any strain on the transmission and transfer. And is the top speed affected or can you still get highway speed?
You are adding weight to the Jeep for sure but the taller gear ratios in the axles help the engine and drivetrain handle it with no problem. This jeep will run down the highway with no problems.
One Second in.... Clicked Like ! Not a One Ton Fan... But some have got to do what they have got to do 👍
That's exactly my thoughts... and it's fun to play with them on someone else's jeep just to really check them out!
And Yes... I’m a Massive Metal Cloak fan 👍😃
Will be interesting to see if it fits coming out of the garage.. I’m guessing 40s
There's some interesting thought behind the tire size and such...
Hi Jason - I think you are in a very unique position to definitively answer a common question, because you have two Jeeps with the two axles in question. Dynatrac says their pro rock 60 has more ground clearance under the diff than a stock Dana 44. I would love it if you could confirm or bust that claim. Many potential buyers - like me - want that beef but don’t want to lose ground clearance. One of the selling points of after market manufacturers is that, unlike junk yard one tons, their product does not rob ground clearance. Can you measure and let us know the results? To me it makes little sense to add all of that cost and weight and tire to just end up with the same ground clearance as a Dana 44 and 37s.
THIS IS GREAT... CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Once I get this thing a roller again... I'll park them side by side and do a real life dimension comparison! Thank you!
@@AutoEdits awesome! Looking forward to it!
Love the videos my favorite channel what did the axles cost
There's a link in the description but this is the 60/60 kit that retails for a bout $12,990 as you see it here.
If one wanted to put 35-37" tires on a JKU, do they need Dana 60s or is a Dana 44 big enough? Nice video too!
Hey thanks! I've been running 38" tires on my Dana44's for years now. I would recommend updating the axle shafts to chromoly at least and be realistic about how you go wheeling.
i put those speed bumps on the rear of my JK and took them off 4 days later. hated them. he will be removing those, mark my words lol!
LOL!
Bet you fixed the death wobble problem !!!
Got that right!!!!
Great video! I have had those same axles with the 4.5 MC GC Mid-arm. I just put the DB3s on the back and am trying to decide on the Lock-n-Load or 4 arm long arm. Any issues with clearance or firmest with the Lock-n-Load? I found that standard banjo bolt fitting lines work well for the front brakes on the ProRock60.
The only clearance issues I've had so far is that the new D60 won't work with the smitty built skid plate system that was on here. I haven't been able to test the lock n load in unlocked mode yet but for highway and around town it is phenomenal. Plus, the install is way easier than the 4 link.
Great to know! It is an easier setup with the Lock-n-Load. Most likely I will go that route if it works well for you. I did put the PSC kit with big bore box and cooler. It steers so easily on the rocks, even with the 40” Nittos.
That's the kit we are going with for sure!
A bit pricey but oh sooooo nice!
Wait I think I fell victim to tightening everything at full droop. Do I need to break everything lose and then re-torque?
I'm not sure if it would help after the fact but I am obsessive enough to spend an hour out under my Jeep doing that...lol
Better call Jim at Dynatrac. He'll take care of it.
I know you can buy axles but I wish Jeep would have added locking hubs as an option from the factory
As an option, maybe. I'm kind of partial to the unit bearings at this point. The convenience of not having to get out and lock in 4 wheel drive is good for us lazy Jeepers. lol
I don't run sway bars. Just sumo springs and falcon shocks.
Very interesting. Not sure how that would work on the freeway or windy mountain road.
You buddy is either getting 31 inch tires or 42s. Thats the only way I would be shocked, lol.
LOL ... stock bfg's would be funny
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who doesn’t like those sway bars.
They just don't make sense to me but that's the beauty of having so many products to choose from. Plus, it's what makes the dude that drive's it happiest that matters most.
Just one question what are you doing with the transfer case it has 2.72to 1 would he go with a 4to 1 as rubicon have ?
Fantastic question... yes the T case is a very important upgrade to come!
Atlas 2 😉
What do you think this build would look like with a 3.5" gamechanger on the jk rather than the longarm lock and load. I am going back and forth on this.
One inch lower. I ran the 3.5" for several years on my Jeep and loved it. You can't go wrong either way but I'm happier on the 4.5" lock and load.
Hello jason!
Howdy dude!
How does he like the Rock Slide Engr step sliders?
Joe loves them... and they are growing on me. Considering something like that for my truck.
i know you just put a D44 in the front of your Jeep Jason wouldn't it be better for the strength aspects to have D60s at both ends on yours? I also think you have the better setup w/ the metal cloak 6 pack shocks. Also where is Pinto????
I completely agree that having the D60 upfront of my Jeep is way stronger but you are missing my larger point. Many of us don't have the resources to swap out not only axles but brakes, drivetrain parts, wheels and steering. The goal on my Jeep is to make it stronger than before but keep the costs down a bit by using components that work with existing systems on the Jeep. For less than what this project costs in just axles alone... I will have my Jeep completely upgraded and ready to rock! Does that make sense?
Whats your thougts in using dana 44 housing with dana 60 ends (hybrid 44/60) and 40s
I totally appreciate that type of thinking with this stuff! The tricky thing with the D44 is the diameter of the axle tubes. Without trussing (which I don't really want to do) they are just never going to be as strong as 3" plus diameter .5" wall D60 housing tubes. For my driving style, which is to try and be gentle on the drivetrain, that would be a really great option to keep weight down.
Don’t tell us you buddy wants 35s on his Jeep ...
Thank goodness... not that small!
42s ??
@@jkustockaphobia2421 Stay tuned Sir/ Ma'am and happy holidays. He's not telling and hopefully neither is Pinto.!?
Hey Jason! Have you had to deal with a Jk oil cooler leak? Mine is starting to go....
I haven't thank goodness... where is the oil cooler on these things?
@@AutoEdits it's at the base of the oil filter housing, may or may not be all the same component. To get to it, think spark plugs, but a step further removing the lower intake! Super common issue now that I've done some research. Oil starts to seep down both sides of the bell housing, kinda looks like a rear main seal leak at first. I'm getting some quotes from a local Jeep shop before i might DIY it.
Yikes... I'll look for that... haven't seen any evidence of such a leak yet on mine.
So someone is the Metalcloak owners group on Facebook is saying that Metalcloak told him that the lock n load long arm kit is not rated to support the weight of D60 axles. I was literally watching your video when he posted this. I told him that seemed unlikely to me. Any input?
When you doing the Hemi swap??
Not soon enough! LOL
BellTech shocks ???? I’m looking forward to this build but your friend should be running a proven set of shocks on a Jeep with 60s like Kings, Metal cloak 6Packs, Bilsteins, Fox or Teraflex also perhaps Rock Jock Anti-Rock sway bars Keep up the great work I hope he listens to you
I am sure it's just a coincidence that they are using BellTech shocks. I would coincidentally run them also if I got them for free!
The Belltech shocks are radical... I'm not worried at all and genuinely excited.
someone has to use them to prove them.
What happens if you tighten the nuts when the car is in the air? cuz thats what i did to my jl wrangler when i install the lift kit
It just tightens the suspension bushings at full droop and not at the intended range of motion at ride height. I'm not sure it actually ruins anything but it's good practice.
Yea
These axles are not stock JK width. JK/JKU/JKR/JKUR stock width is 65.5”, these are 68.5” full width axles. JLR/JLUR on the other hand from factory are 68” and JL/JLU are 66.5”
This is really appreciated! Thanks for being cool about download this data on me. I will mention this in the next video!
HI! Are you interested in testing new LED tail lights for JK now?
No thank you.
Could you cover how you squared up the axles?
I do a decent job of that in both the Ultimate Dana 44 video and cover it a bit in the Long Arm installation video.
I Believe if you break a d44 axle , the wheel will not fall off your Jeep. D 35 w clips will . I Believe
True, I realize there is a plate on the outer bearing like a Ford 9" but a broken axle shaft would cause a severe load on that assembly. I did mis-speak there... and I appreciate the very constructive way you helped call that out! Thank you! Some people on the internet love to attack when they see stuff like that!
What happened to your core door year in review video?
They asked me to take it down after the sale ended. I wonder if I edited that stuff out I could put it back up??? Was there any good data or talking points in that I should keep up on the channel?
@@AutoEdits yes I loved that video and it was the one that encouraged me to pull the trigger on them. To be fair the sale did help as well. Hah. Had a lot of good information for sure. Would love to see it again.
When you helped your buddy do this swap… where did you get your geometry info? Like rear pinion angle and front caster info?
I put what works well in most setups... +7 or 8* Caster in front and aimed the rear pinion right at the transfer case flange and went down maybe 1 or 2* since running a double cardan driveshaft. The Jeep drives perfect and he has taken it all over the country wheeling Jeep Jamboree trips since.
@@AutoEdits what is he running for steering components? PSC big box, hydro assisted? Or stock with a brace and a good damper?
@@77DucMon Yes, the full PSC hydro assist kit for D60.
@@AutoEdits roger that. Did he go straight to that or deem it necessary after the fact?
@@77DucMon Must have if you want to get into the rocks... around town it was fine with the stock system but any load on the wheels and it was miserable.
Just looked up those axles . Upwords of 16k
Wrong... the link clearly lands on a $12,990 axle set. Weird flex. Still expensive.
You didn't need to do a loop delete?
Nope
Hey Jason, how would you like another friend with a Jeep in need of upgrades? I have someone in mind!
Hmmm... sure... who would you recommend? LOL
@@AutoEdits i'm sure he would recommend me. lol
Large Marge?
Gotta wait for a little bit till I get the garage back... and then roll bar, racing harness and track time!
your buddy shoulda watched your video on cutting the stock fenders lol they look a little rough :P sry bud
I tease him about those and he stands proud about the effort he put in... and that's what matter the most about all this stuff!!!
I say 40-42 tire
That would be the right size for the 5.13 gear ratio.... we'll see
Spoiler alert... tires are gonna be 33's. 😆
That would be pretty funny!
when ram 1500? :)
What would like to see on the ram?
@@AutoEdits can you instal dif lockers on real axel maybe front axel its posibel to do that, best regards
@@pawel1466 The only thing I found for the rear axle is a Detroit locker style. It's on the list of things to do... just need to save a bit more money and make some time. That stuff is expensive. There isn't anything for the front of these trucks, locker wise.
@@AutoEdits ok understand, maybe some guard, protection under truck -home made orginalne industry
I’ll buy your front axle
Already gone!
I miss the mustang content
You and 2 other people. When I get the garage space back it'll get some work.
That's a lot of extra weight, is that a stock engine in there? I'm interested to see how that affects performance.
A video without pinto. OMG :-)
She wants less and less to do with that cold concrete in the garage as she gets older. I'll see about bringing one of her comfy beds out for a future video.
Jason, seems like you only push the metal cloak. Are you sponsored by them?
lol
You're going to need more power.
Always need more power.
Who says 60s F&R aren’t tons?🥴
The internets... and old jeepers.
@@AutoEdits apparently those intelligent folks never heard of the 70s & early 80s F350s?
@@donnietorrey1703 3/4 ton trucks had rear 60 axles... even in that era. F350 is a 1 ton truck.