Birds of Prey(2020): what happened at the box office?
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- Birds of Prey (2020) was predicted to be a slam dunk for the DCEU...that is definitely not what happened.
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I think the biggest problem with Harley Quinn as a cinematic character is they have all this before and after with the joker, but we NEVER really get to see what relationship she had with the joker.
Plus her being a PhD is never really touched on. She's just instantly a psycho and we are never shown why.
I agree, it would have been nice to see Joker's manipulation of her over his time at Arkham. So we see how she cracked; ruining her own career and reputation for him.
MapleLeafAce suicide squad is, unfortunately, required viewing. The Joker fucked with her head and pumped her full of crazy Joker drugs
Watch the Harley Quinn animated series!
Hey backstory intro in this was awful. It was so out of nowhere and very contrived.
A Harleen movie would be good, I ve been reading the comic its good so far. Other than that I have zero interest in Harley
I actually really liked it, the only disappointment for me was the marketing
Peyton Elizabeth
Yeah marketing team dragged the whole movie down lol plus some woke stuff too
When I saw the posters, I literally thought someone made a parody of Suicide Squad. If a movie makes itself look like a parody, we on a bad start already. Also, being marketed as yet another patronising "empowered wamen" thing turned me off, all I want is a great Harley Quinn film finally.
@@222o-u3t the characters looked NOTHING like the comics, they looked like they will have slumber party and bitch about men. Black Mask is a scary villain, victor Zasz is the stuff of nightmares but the marketing showed two weak,little,gay men wearing eye shadow going to the gay bar. l'm a diehard DC fan and l adore BVS but l didn't pay to watch this because l have limits.
Same
I saw this in the theater. There were four people in the audience, including me. None were female.
It feels like they jumped the gun. There should have been an emancipation movie followed by this movie. Let the Harley character be explored, b4 adding a squad.
dude the whole thing was stupid, margo robbie was making these decisions.
I mean, it wasn’t really her squad, they go their separate ways after, but I do agree. I would have liked to see a movie more focused on Harley’s growth and exploring who she is without the joker, with a separate BoP movie. They still could have introduced some of the BoP characters in a Harley movie, just as side characters/character set up.
simping for huntress is my whole personality since seeing bop
Meee
@@luiza.limaneves felt this
They had the Jack Sparrow approach to Harley, but they forgot to add a Will Turner who is the one who actually develops a character arc
Dany Osuna they had already tried a character arc with superman when Snyder had the universe for him becoming the Boy Scout people know and the mainstream audience didn't get it cause they needed everything spelled out for them cause they don't know the source material
@@kevin10001 I think Snyder did a pretty poor job of presenting Superman, I do not know the source material and did not care at all in the movie, simple tweaks would have been the character better (also CGI moustache)
@@kevin10001 basically you say general audience are dumb
This movie should have been Gotham sirens with cat woman and poison ivy
Man, we’ve been saying that and I agree!!! ❤️💚🖤
omggg so truee. that wouldve been cooler!!!
the problem is the birds of prey werent gonna even be there to start but margot wanted them
I disagree I loved the movie, but I would hella love for this movie too be made and I want it soo bad!!!
"I would NEVER be a housewife but any hot woman feel free to wife me up, I'll take care of you." Is a sentiment I relate to PERFECTLY
I generally liked BoP as a fun, colorful mess. The problem I had with it was moments that were so unfeasible that they took me out of the experience. One example was when she went into a police station without a real gun, when you know all of those cops had to have real guns on them, and yet no one shot her. It's just so unrealistic. There were several situations like that.
@noodleking 92 Yes! When the jail cells opened the criminals seem to attack Harley for the sake of a fight sequence. Like leave...you're criminals and another criminal accidentally freed you. And has made a mess of the police station. Thank her and run.
No offense but have you ever seen a super hero movie before? You're complaints are the backbone of superhero films. Do you know how long the winter soldier would have lasted if any of the guys in the elevator had remembered they had guns?
@noodleking 92 Yup,bad example. It's completely different from a girl with non-lethal ammo in an open space severely out numbered by cops with REAL guns. And no special powers/enhancements. I'm not saying other super hero movies haven't done equally stupid scenes. But that doesn't excuse Birds of Prey for an over-the-top scene that too heavily breaks the suspension of disbelief.
you know she had a real gun and all the glitters and sparkles were in her head, right?
@@jeonghansupremacist4354 Where does the film justify this? I know Harley is an unreliable narrator, but as we see a bunch of things in the film Harley couldn't possibly know and that were not colored by her narration. We can assume the film has her voice as narrator but not her forced perspective. Therefore, nothing in the film supports the glitter bomb gun as a delusion. If that's what they were going for, they failed. So just another failure.
Also, I can see Montoya A COP getting past her knocking out a bunch of cops at the station and later on going "I was wrong about you". Essentially realizing Harley is off her rocker in a lot of ways, but mostly harmless. But I can not see her getting over Harley shooting cops in cold blood for the selfish reason of retrieving the diamond. And if the glitter bombs were real ammo, she shot an innocent cop, just doing his job, in the face.
I would have liked a BoP movie. They did not make a BoP movie.
Why not just call it Gotham City Sirens?
@@Calekoflight it's not really that either, no Poison Ivy or Catwoman.
Yea they should have called it Harley Quinn and the BoP... I really wouldn't have had a problem with them actually putting it as a Harley Quinn movie.
Also they really tried to revolve everything around Harley Quinn... like the Car chase sequence just to get Huntress out of the frame she just crash suddenly and then u had Canary faint when she uses her power so yea that kinda bugs me...
M K did you watch the movie? It was to introduce the BoP and it was about the emancipation of Harley Quinn. Wasn’t really suppose to only be about BoP. You can gather that from just watching the trailer. That’s why they weren’t even called BoP til the very end
@@neambi2298 Yes but they marketed like BoP was atleast gonna have significant part in it as a team but all they did was make only Harley constantly shine... tbh I wanted a team movie and not Harley with her side pals that she can overshadow.
I'm just done with the DCU. Basically. Justice League was the last one I saw and it was so shit I was like "yep. Done." They don't seem to know how to do ensemble movies or understand what makes the MCU ensemble movies work.
Yeah stick to DC's stand alone films like Joker and The Batman.
applecoreeater Justice League the animate tv show was pretty good
You quit early, watch aquaman,shazam and ww84 skip BOP YOU'll be fine
Yea Shazam, Wonder Woman, BOP, joker and hopefully the Batman ( obviously it’ll be great bc of Robert Pattinson idc what anyone says) that’s pretty much it, BVS, huge let down, now I watch DCEU films when I got nothing to do, Marvel does it for me bc of how good they do it. But hey I’ll still support DC once in a while.
I agree...until now. I absolutely loved Zack Snyder’s Justice League. I was beyond shocked by how much I loved it.
The reason Birds of Prey didn’t get a good turnout is because the feminist director decided to make Harley Quinn look as awful as possible. Dumb hair, dumb clothes, and (haven’t seen the movie) the trailer made her come across like Lucille Ball on crack.
We all know that the reason we liked HQ in Suicide Squad was because of how awesome she looked. That is the Harley we want. Even straight white females, like myself. Looks like that is the Harley we’ll get in the new Suicide Squad, so that’s cool.
I think it suffered from being a DC Universe movie.
Shit’s gotten too confusing for people to understand what the hell is going on.
Movies like Logan, Deadpool, and Joker prove that there is a huge market for R-rated comic book movies.
No! suicide squad made a profit. the film was marketed as SJW film, where lifting up a woman has to depend on bashing men. thats one reason, there was a leak that the film was about gay dick pics.
@@richlasma Birds of Prey made a profit too.
The more people see the DCU sucks, the less inclined we are to go see their movies; sure, some of the early stuff made more money, but you can't know whether or not you'll like a movie, you can't know whether or not a movie will be good, until *after* you pay for it and see it.
The more DCU movies there are, the more we see we can't expect them to be good, or even mediocre, so the less willing we are to shell out money to see them. So, the earlier in the cycle a DCU movie was made, the more money it is likely to have made. That has nothing to do with how good it was, more to do with how much of a sample size we had.
Also, it's hard to imagine that the Coronavirus affected, say, Suicide Squad in the same way it affected Birds of Prey.
@Dem Lem's I think that's the small picture problem. The big picture problem is the people in charge have no idea why we love the DC characters and aren't qualified to tell stories that are true to the characters, that resonate with their fans OR that appeal to non-fans by being interesting stand-alone movies.
Or are incapable of choosing creative people who are qualified to do that; Zack Snyder being the man tapped to helm a Superman movie is a fucking joke; it's so staggeringly stupid, and it set up the DC for failure right out of the gate.
And every single movie since has been an over-correction to the previous movie's failure.
@@SchulzEricT Compared to other Comic movies these days 201 mil is a letdown, Wonder Woman made like 8 mil, Aquman made a bil and even BVS made almost 900 mil. Even Shazam got up to like 300 mil even before these movies went on lockdown the numbers were a letdown
@@SchulzEricT birds of prey barely broke even
I was exited for a birds of prey movie, so when they made it a harley quinn movie i didnt care anymore, and with good reason since the only character that matters throughout the movie is harley and the other ladies just dont really matter nor are they developed. the villain was fun but they killed him too early. filmento's review of the film really solidifies why i just couldnt care about this film.
Same
I hated this version of Black Mask, he felt like a villian in the burton/schumer batman movies. Yeah I hated that the actual Birds got pushed to the side
@@thestranger9608 Burton villains were great. His version of catwoman is still the best live action movie version today.
This is exactly why I wasn't interested either. I wanted a //Birds of Prey// movie, the title! Birds of Prey had so much to work with from the comics! So much wasted potential on some great female characters ToT
I love Ewan McGregor and the fact that he made me hate him in this film speaks loud enough about his performance for me. He did amazing
Ewan McGregor has an annoying habit of being the best part of every movie he is in
“But I would gladly have dinner waiting at home for Huntress” GOD I F E L T THAT, OH MAN
Lmfaoooo “let’s go thirst over Mary Elizabeth winstead” 😭
I believe it was considered a failure as the production budgeting being 84, usually advertising is roughly 50% to the total the cost of a film. Putting this on the lower end the cost would be about $125 mil. However, the studio does not get all the box office. According to Grace Randolf depending on the country a studio only gets 25-50% of the revenue to go to costs. So it would have been right around the break even point, to a loss.
Maddy Jones I’ve heard advertising doubles the cost of the film, so it would be more like $160mil.
@@Velereonics sometimes even triples (China - in Trump's voice)... but usually marketing for superhero movies can cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Most movie experts say BoP needed around 300M globally to break even ( it only made around 30-35 domestically on the opening weekend)
You also have to factor what the studios expectations for a film to make. Things like Rise of Skywalker had Disney execs expecting Endgame numbers at the box office which is just madness. For Birds of Prey the best comparison would be WB expecting Deadpool numbers (R rated, less budget and marketing made close to $800 million).
The reshots increased the budget. Intially they had a budget like Deadpool
Late to the party here but at least in America, the studios keep around 90% of the ticket sales (I heard this from an actual theater guy so I trust him over Grace R). There are many exceptions like Lucasfilm usually keeps 100% of the ticket sales since consession sales take a huge rise whenever there's a new star wars movie.
I'm a 19 year old male whose actually in the military and I went and saw this movie opening weekend because if nothing else it seemed better than suicide squad based off the same two trailers I kept seeing showing at least some interesting and creative flare to it. Seeing this movie I was disappointed that I had no one other than my girlfriend who I dragged to the theatre with me to talk to about how good it was. It was far better than suicide squad in my opinion and where I didn't like it as much as Shazam I liked that it didn't play things safe the way Shazam did. But I saw it and thought good for DC making another movie that at least didn't make me wanna gouge my eyes out like justice league or bvs. I didn't feel at all alienated by any marketing or even any plot points in the movie as a male audience member and I actually had a blast watching it, I wish there had been more of Harley's character being actually crazy but I also didn't mind seeing more of a focus on the other characters, that was in fact my only complaint, there was a lot of time speant on the kid, almost too much imo, when the other non Harley characters could've really benefited from more screen time and more development. I wasn't upset at any of the costumes in this movie and I was actually okay with this version of black mask, his death was just a little too goofy for me, but otherwise I actually really liked BOP.
I like this comment greatly
I’m gonna be perfectly honest I hate Jared Leto as the joker
Black Ninja I didn't hate him as the joker I actually hated Harley in suicide squad cause I'm not a fan of what the comics did to her I don't mind her becoming her own person and not just a verbal punching bag for the joker to verbally abuse but I didn't like how they overly sexualized and having her like that in the movie just made it worse cause the trend follower just bought her top cause it was trending and claimed to be fans of her but didn't know her beyond that one movie
So I’m sorry I’m still cannot stand him as the joker he handed up his hammy as the joker
No one can lie about that. That was the worst joker of all time.
Juan Koeraus no that was heath leader mainly from a writers point of view cause he lacked the suddle nuance that make the joker the joker that doesn't have anything to do with heath's performance cause he was good but he was just playing a generic psychopath not the joker that ultimately came down to Christopher Nolan and his writing staff showing us in 3 movies that have never read a batman comic or graphic novel even the 1966 tv show did their homework on the characters by going back and reading the comics while not being in conjunction with dc comics Jared was a pretty good Alex Ross style joker even though marketing over sold his presence in the movie to get people in theaters
@@kevin10001 Jared Leto's Joker sucks and the whole movie was a massive mistake.
Also Ewan Mcgregor just can’t really be seen as a villain by me after “hello there”
@Simon Turner Yeah. I couldn’t take Black Mask seriously at all. Nor Zassz, the Gotham tv villains were much more terrifying, evil, and intimidating
I would’ve absolutely sworn that BoP was going to come out on Valentine’s Weekend because every single advertisement I saw was red/pink and specifically focused on Harley’s recent break-up with the Joker. It totally seemed like a break-up movie for Valentine’s Day.
The movie kind of bored me.
The middle fight (in the jail) was great.
But then the big battle at the end was showy without any substance (guys jumping into punches, etc).
DC, just give me more Wonder Woman!
FerretSnot They got the John Wick director to redo most of the fight scenes. Alas they didn’t redo the final fight which was filmed by the original female director.
I went to see it with friends kinda spontaneously. We did watch a trailer but we knew nothing about what BoP was, we thought it was just a different name for a Harley Quinn movie. So yeah, we went in thinking it was just about Harley Quinn and it..kinda was? The other characters definitely felt more like side characters so I was even more confused when it turns out THEY ARE the birds of prey and just..idk. It was not bad but sometimes I would look at my watch and wonder when it would be over. Not the best, not the worst. Somehow anti-climactic.
usedtobemyself
True lol thats how i felt
Especially on the final fight 😅
Idk if i have too much high expectations when it comes to cinematography (?) but the camera angles were super boring 😅😅
I kinda felt that way as well. The last fight scene felt anti-climatic. I felt like the the stakes could've been higher ( as for the tone of the film). It just kind of...happened? He just falls down from the pier, and that's it? I also felt that the film could of been a little bit longer ( I don't think it even hit the two hour mark.) But overall I enjoyed the film. Great comedic scenes.
So, I saw this movie at an advance screening a week before release and Loved it. Also, I do want to mention that this is Margot Robbie’s baby. She’s a producer on this and came up with the idea while filming Suicide Squad. As a producer, she chose the director and the writer and was the one responsible for the long title. With all of that said, I do wish this movie had better marketing. As for the PG-13 maybe...I was honestly fine with the R rating.
I thought it was a bit above average. Just nothing to give strong opinions either way. It was...pretty good. But frankly I enjoyed the Harley Quinn animated series which had a similar Harley-post-joker arc more.
Also a few times in the film I thought “stop trying to be deadpool!”
Props for a character offer another character a hair-tie halfway through a massive fist-fight. That’s a clever little throwaway line. :D
I'm not even that Big of Deadpool fan tbh
“I would go full Amy Dunne in Gone Girl because it would be something to do.”
*subscribes*
You should definitely check out the Harley Quinn Animated series
Definitely a better Harley Quinn experience.
yup, i like it more than the movie and that shouldn't have happened
@@aqiel_leiqa preach
That should have been a movie.
The superior Harley, hands down 🙌
I was waiting for this movie to be bad. But it was reaaaaally fun, the fighting scenes were just amazing
I can tell you what happened:
Fans took to twitter and attempted to get people to see the film by trying to get people to not see the Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and they tried to do that by making up outrageous claims about the Sonic movie. Thus, a lot of people were turned off and decided to go see Sonic instead.
Granted, there were probably also a lot of other factors beside that, but apparently, that was one of the big ones.
LMFAOOOOOO WHAT
I demand proof of this
@@writheagainsoon Look up 'Sonic VS Birds of Prey' on TH-cam. There are a LOT of channels who covered it.
Oh yeah that was by far one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. You had all these crazies protesting the movie before it was even released because it was, according to them, "NaZi ProPaGaNdA"...spoiler alert, it wasn't. The protests were effective, in a way. Because of them I went to see Sonic purely out of spite lol, it's a fun family film that I probably wouldn't watch again but enjoyed at the time. As far as I'm aware BoP screenings were mostly empty, probably because of people being called white supremacists for voicing their hesitations about seeing the film/praising Sonic.
Hey, random guy here:
I went to see B.o.P. The second weekend it was out (I didn’t know it had come out already the first weekend) and I thought it was alright. My main issues with the film stemmed from it having a passive lead who let the plot happen to them and then reacted to it as opposed to them driving the plot forward (same reason I started enjoying Lion King less as I got older). I do agree that the film relying on Harley took away from it being an actual B.o.P. movie, but I also understand why the filmmakers did that. Also, I’m a huge DC comics fan, I like most of their comic book storylines more than Marvel by a long shot, so I was a bit put off by the movie’s interpretation of Cassandra Cain as she’s my second favorite member of the Batfamily to read about. But like you pointed out, this version of her was necessary for the plot to really work so I got over that pretty quickly. Thought the costumes were fine but I’ve never really cared about costume design as much as other aspects of the movie. I did think Black Mask was wasted by having him die in this movie and not sticking around to be a dick in other films as well. All in all, I gave this movie the same rating I gave Aquaman when I saw that: 7/10 but it would’ve benefitted from being two separate movies. One about the emancipation of Harley and a separate one about the forming of the team
I feel like this could have been an awesome series so that they could have focused on each character and then the finale would have had more payoff. At the end I felt like I didn't know what each character was really achieving( if that makes sense) it could have really benefited from having more time in my opinion.
I feel like this didn't need to have BOP in the title at all. They could have almost made it a surprise. it seemed like a great into INTO an actual BOP movie. I actually hope they do make one as I really liked the chemistry between the team.
The marketing killed the movie. When actors use terms like "everyday misogyny" or "male gaze" in interviews look for the boxoffice to start dropping. On the topic of costumes, who were they designed for????? They said they wanted to get away from the suits being so sexy, but male and female fans like the sexy outfits.
They wanted to add a modern look to the character costumes but didn't even make them recognizable to th characters they were supposed to represent.
When you cosplay, you can easily identify who's HQ but Black Canary, Huntress?? They just look like generic characters with nothing to be recognized for
@@roguepoison exactly. Black Canarys costume is iconic, impractical, but iconic. They could've updated it but took inspiration from the comics. I've never really liked Huntress look in the comics but what they did in the movie was just bland.
Not really see: Captain Marvel
Male gaze is a legit problem and HQ suffered from it in Suicide Squad
Also she literally brings that up lmao
@@selty you don't seem to be aware that male gaze isn't real. It's called marketing. When trying to sell a product to either sex you use what attracts their attention. The "problem" of male gaze was invented by activists that were past their time of relevance.
When I first saw the trailer, my first thought was "didn't they learn anything from Suicide Squad?". After I heard the soundtrack and saw a bit more I changed my mind. I only see maybe 2-3 movies in theatres in a year, and I am not a comic movie person. But my boyfriend wanted to go to the theatres, and I thought it was the best pick at the time. I honestly enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was a lot of fun. I don't know anything about the original story or anything like that, but I just enjoyed it. I don't think its perfect, but it was entertaining, the costumes were fun, I liked Margo Robbie, and that fight sequence in the police station was super cool.
This video convinced me to watch it and I really enjoyed it! It could’ve been better but definitely tops SS
My sister watched it on her 21st birthday she said even with the devils juice the film was horrible and that she wanted to leave as soon as possible.
Dem Lem's I can’t spell my name what makes you think that in the past 17 years of my life that I can spell alcohol with out spell check
Devils juice isn’t.... semen? oh
@Dem Lem's I asumed thats booze 🤷🏽♀️
I have a funny story, around the time BOP came out, my older sister (29) had broken up with her boyfriend (they were together 5 years!) so i tell her "hey why dont we go see birds of prey?" she looks at me & replies: "im not some basic bitch"
alejandro cervantes she is in fact just like everyone else because very few people watched it.
I agree that the marketing held this movie back. I remember seeing the first trailer and thinking, "okay, Warner Bros has no faith in the Birds themselves, hence all the Harley, so why not just make a Harley Quinn movie?" Then the second trailer dropped and it basically just looked like they made a Harley Quinn movie with the Birds sprinkled in (which is ultimately what it was). It was that lack of faith in the title characters that made me not want to see it and I'm sure others felt the same. Now, I review movies on my show, so I still saw the movie in theaters and I'm glad I did because it was a lot of fun. Was it a perfect movie, no? Could it have used more screen time and development for the Birds? Absolutely, but it definitely deserved a bigger audience than it had.
And yeah, Sonic opening the following week definitely didn't help. That was a movie that I originally had no intention of seeing, but after the fan outrage caused got the studio to redo the animation (whether the whole situation was a marketing ploy is a debate for another day), I was intrigued. It too was a lot of fun and like you pointed out, not rated R.
Sorry that got so long-winded. Great video!
i mean the problem is the film was supposed to be harley alone and then margot robbie basically demanded we add in the bop
what went wrong:
-it’s not a good movie
-it’s rated R
-the marketing was trash
/fin
Senali Karunathilake I think only Suicide Squad and Justice League were worse. It takes over an hour to get to the titular team, no one has any sort of character development, Black Mask wears his titular mask in one scene, Harley is an annoying character...
(For some+me) it's just an enjoyable movie not bad not super good just enjoyable ^^
Depends on why you watched the movie i guess
@@genericname34 Well JL is worst cause they tried to Mash Whedon and Snyder's different visions together. I find Harley overated tbh the only good thing in comics I ve read recently is Harleen other than the ARkham games and BTAS I never cared for her. The BOP got no development and they wasted Cassandra
The R ratng was for the sake of being edgy & a mistake! A lot of HQ fans are still teens! How could they missed this?
alejandro cervantes her and Suicide Squad’s biggest fanbase are Hot Topic teens. Deadpool, Joker and Logan were the exception to the R-rating thriving, not the rule
You're kind of missing the point. Nothing... NOTHING about the portrayal of these characters identifies them as said character.
The only thing that lets me know she's Black Canary is that she scream twice in the movie she doesn't look or act like Black Canary
Huntress does not look or act like the huntress only thing about her that lets me know she's the Huntress is that she has a crossbow
literally NOTHING about Cassandra Cain lets me know she's actually Cassandra Cain besides her name and only thing about black mask that makes him black mask is one time in the movie he wears a black mask
Look I like this movie I don't think it's terrible I also dont think it's fantastic I think it's just all right
I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan and I'll support almost anything with her in it but even then I'm not about to sit here and pretend like these character designs for this film we're not atrocious
And to boil it down to "men don't think it's attractive" shows very shallow thinking on your end
Heres a fact, more men went to go see this movie than women even with it's terrible marketing about how this movie "combats the male gaze and everyday misogyny"
dude, i felt the same. When i went out from the theatre i was like i must be missing something, it wasn't enjoyable and the third act is so dumb. Really wanted to enjoy it tbh
Here's a fact: you've given an opinion not facts
@@selty and it's an excellent opinion, me and 70 other people supports it.
@@selty A lot of his post is facts tho and the opinions are based on facts. Was this not a comic accraute? No it wasn't thats a fact. Did more men see this than Woman? Thats a fact
Personally I find Harley Overrated shes good in small doses unless its something like Harleen. Even the youtuber Lauren Chen said she hated the movie and thought the characters lacked sex appeal
I had a snarky comment but I forgot it.
I had an epic reply but I forgot
Filmento did a video that illustrated why this movie bombed its a decent movie but when you compare it to other films you see the issues its a poor mans deadpool its a poor mans captain jack and mostly everyone aside from harley and black mass were basically irrelevant
The costumes were terrible sorry not because they didn’t get my dick hard but and this is bad for bob suicide squad at least got most of the costumes correctly i love marry elizabeth shes ramona and i will always love her for that but the costume was not good and everyone else was about on par again suicide squad had more faithful and better costumes and when you are not as good as suicide squad on anything you failed lol
And also btw people call the rise of skywaker a failure is simple disney has yet to make a profit on star wars since they bought it remember that they did spend 4.5 billion $ on it and again to this day have jet to make their money back
edwin justo well remember it wasn’t just Star Wars it was Lucasfilm so they got a lot of property’s
@@edwinjusto5739 Also to add to Anatidaephobia's point they got Disney+ subscribers for Mandalorian, exclusive access to use Star Wars properties for their theme parks/video games/channels/etc royalties for someone wanting to use the Star Wars brand. They've made back the price already, it's not just the movies and said movies basically whacked off $3.5 billion from that price before the revenue from any of those other things come into play.
Anatidaephobia well lucasfilms is part of disney lucasfilms only deals withstar wars and disney has a lot of properties thats true but and heres the important part that why you put someone in charged like example someones in charged of the mcu which is owned by disney and the person in charged of the mcu has done a tremendous job now the person who was in charged of lucasfilms was inept and she effectively destroyed the ip that was star wars until someone else came along to give it a life support (yes i am referring to the person i charged of the mandalorian)
Damn it's insane how much your channel has grown the past couple months. 100k coming up real soon.
THANKS for that intro! I mean, the part before your intro. Whatever. No pandering, just action and fun!
I'm bored and can't sleep.
Your upload was timed perfectly to help me out! haha
The marketing for Birds of Prey was... bad. Really didn't sell it for me.
I will eventually see it, though I don't have high expectations for it.
It was okay. I wish they hadn't killed Black Mask. Ewan had the high ground in the role and nailed it. It was obvious that he was having fun. But Cassandra Cain in the movie isn't Cassandra Cain from the comics. In the comics, she was trained to be a bodyguard of Ra's al Ghul, killed a guy when she was eight, hated it, and eventually became Batgirl. The movie Cain was just some punk pickpocket.
Omg you're one of the few TH-camrs that still keep me lauging. Honestly TH-camrs have been sellouts on content and don't keep me as engaged, I know I'm not the only one, but you're funny as hell and I barely discovered your channel. You got a loyal sub here now.
I honestly loved the movie. I'm sad it didn't do well
Dude there’s something so satisfying about your intro 😂 honestly it’s the reason I subbed
Ah cats...the gift that keeps on giving the only way it could be better is if they named the film “The Cats”
Hey love your vids and point of views! Also I feel you on being sad about movie theaters
i can not get over the 85% of my sexuality line. laughed for wayyyyy too long
One of the biggest problems is not sticking to source material and also why wasn’t Poison Ivy there..? Ivy is Harley’s best friend... and also BoP is, I believe, supposed to be heroes.... but that’s my opinion and my brothers... so....
I feel the more accurate option for titling would have been "Missed Opportunities".
Enjoyed the movie though being clunky.
Additionally, I feel a lot was pulled from "The New 52" Harley series, which I think should have been the movie. "Birds of Prey" storyline could have come further down the road once other characters were introduced/other DC title releases i.e. Batwoman.
wingnutpizzapunx kind of like how Justice League should have come later. DC is the epitome of putting the cart before the horse.
@@Velereonics perfectly put
You make a good point on the marketing, I didnt even think about it but we were setting up our products and advertisements the week of Valentines Day and I thought it actually came out then, none of the stuff they sent out had dates so I never knew when it actually came out.
8:28 - confirmation, as if it were needed, that you are indeed a lady of culture.
M.E.W. is nothing short of a goddess made flesh.
She looks like a Junkie. Kat dennings is a godess
I agree about the comments regarding Cassandra Cain, I left wondering if they were going to keep her for the future DCEU or if they planned to not include her at all, especially when my understanding is they are looking to include Nightwing for his own movie. I think it would have benefit them more to not give her that name so they didn't ruin that opportunity to include her in the future for any batfam films
I'm male and saw the film with two male friends. I saw it on a Saturday evening and the theater was fairly split between men and women.
We all enjoyed the film quite a bit. We all agreed it a fun movie to see in theaters but we don't have any interest in revisiting on DVD or streaming.
I think one reason the film wasn't as big as the studio hoped because it didn't have the draw of other big characters. Also it coming off of suicide squad. With suicide squad there was the excitement of seeing all of these comic characters be on screen for the first time. And a new take on Joker, one of the biggest characters in modern entertainment. Since SS left a bad taste in so many people's mouths I think most people felt like BOP was worth skipping.
It is 2021 already and I only now realise that Birds of Prey is a movie that has been released.
Im not into the Harley Quinn portrayal. She is played as a ditz whose superpower is literally luck. She doesnt even use her sexuality as a weapon it just serves no purpose, she just does random stuff with no plans and is bailed out by luck. I would have liked if she was intelligent and wasnt just nuts and lucky.
“Thats it, thats my intro” i dont know why but I liked that haha ya got me
I didn’t like Harley’s outfit in either movie she was in. I liked Margot Robbie’s portrayal of the character which is a hard character to get right. I did like the Huntress and the Canary.
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insecure men saying that Huntress doesn't look hot ... S M H
Not being attracted to someone makes you insecure ?
Well, to hell with preferences or whatever lmao.
@@wadadlion5063 you are projecting dude, I never said that
Matt Rightman it’s all good man, I’m just messing with you lmao. Take care and wash your hands !
She doesn't especially compared to her comic counterpart who is athletic and curvy. Winstead has aged terrible she hasn't been hot since Death Proof. She looks like shes spent the last decade doing meth. Helena has a sexy costume in the comics while the movie version looked like she got it from a dollar store
@@thestranger9608 As someone who loved Huntress in JL: Unlimited, I was actually disappointed with how they did her character in this movie. In the animated series, her character was much deeper, she was allowed to keep her comic book outfit and came off as a strong, confident, and relatable character. I wanted something similar to that and this Huntress just wasn't that.
I agree with you about the lack of marketing. I forgot Birds of Prey existed to be honest. I remembered seeing a poster for it at the theater in like Janurary and I saw one ad for it on TH-cam. Other than that, I saw nothing else about the movie.
I saw the film day one. I thought the story was a little weak. And I felt that the movie had to unfortunately had to undo suicide squad the first 20 minutes. BUT I absolutely loved the action sequences, really awesome to see the actors performing those stunts and choreography. Like Rosie Perez performing hand to hand combat was impressive as hell lol. Great review ✌🏼. Do you use Letterboxd?
Agreed! Tbh the BoP were so charming.
We watched it last night and loved it 🤷🏼♀️
I think because you don't know who black mask is leads to you believing it's not a sjw film. Black Mask is not the way the film makes him, the film makes everyone man even the cops hate woman. And plus the director, Margot Robbie, and the villian say that this film was made to fight misogyny. They put the agenda first before the story where other films put the story first before the agenda. Plus the main audience of comics are men, so for the director and main leads to attack the main audience hurt the film.
And I really don't need Ewan McGregor (who left his wife and kids for a younger woman) and Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Said younger woman who also cheated on her marriage) to tell me misogyny is wrong. It's hypocritical from people like them and from Hollywood in general.
@@daesgatling1345 yeah i lost respect for him with that... so cliche
In his comic Debut Black Mask is such an interesting character and is movie worthy. His fam is friends with the Waynes. He becomes traumatized as a Kid and becomes obessed with masks,kills his family in fire years later and destroys his girlfriend's face and makes her wear mask that looks like her face. Here is just some Rich Douche with no motive. Mr Cheater playing him is hypocrite considered he ditched his wife and kids hes in no position to lecture people about whats right and wrong
The Stranger, that sounds so cool I hope they give him a better movie than this.
A comment she will never pin because of fragile femininity, thinking people dont want women in films is like 2/3 of the fuel that drives the thing these snowflakes hate, people want women in films, look at alien. A long time ago yes but its because everytime an anti-misogyny film comes out the witing of said female characters are absolute dumpster fires people start to think causation equals correlation
I love these movie impression vids! More please!
I loved Birds of Prey, but I love it in the same way I love The Spy Who Dumped Me. It's a female lead, action-packed, funny movie with crazy antics and is loads of fun. And both of those movies needed a lot of help and could have used some better, tighter plot or direction, but I love seeing these women interact and have a good time, so it works for me. Also the marketing for both of these movies as abysmal...
I kept avoiding this because I love Birds of Prey but I finally gave in and I'm happy we agree haha
Sorry but the film was a flop
First of all, the film's budget was almost near 100Mil after the reshoots (most of the action sequences were in reshoots)
Also as you said, we don't know the marketing budget so a rough estimate going around is that the film needed to make a little over 250Mil to break even and start making profit and it hardly made 200Mil
What many BoP stans (not you but those on twitter) can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that you can't just subtract a film's production budget from the box office and call it profit because it doesn't work that way. Cinema owners have their cut of up to 60% of the ticket price in some cases.
It's a flop period end of story. The only hope it may have is the ancillary market. Other than that the reasons you gave were spot on except one, every guy in this film was a bad guy in some way. Captain Marvel was labeled SJW film even though we had a renowned actor and character with her aka Nick Fury and Talos if you want to count him. Whereas this film had every man being racist, misogynist, a psychopath. Even Harley's father figure betrayer her.
Edit: Betrayed*
Another great movie review. Thank you Swell!!!
Woman with feminist views here. Liked the visual style, but felt really disconnected from the movie.
It also pandered very hard and had quite a strong anti men message. Found myself rolling my eyes a lot.
It had that women scene from End Game vibes
I dont think it was that bad but im gonna rewatch it on rental because i may have been too focused on the messiness lol
Flora being a guy that had it has his first of 3 anticipated movies this year I left the theater after seeing it very entertained the one thing about Margo that stuck out to me was she couldn't do Harley's iconic batman the animated series voice they had her do to pander the the fans of the series I never felt an anti men feel to the movie
@@kevin10001 yeah her accent was better in Suicide Squad tbh. She cant get it quite right!
I loved the movie
Specially the mess it is, I feel like it suits Harley and her "chaoticness", even the rewinds
(But it bothers me that when they are fighting, the other guys are waiting to be attacked, like, they literally stare at them and wait)
No, this a bomb, we don't need to dance around the term. It was meant for movies that perform like this did
These videos are really cool. You are clearly very passionate about film in general and especially superhero or comic films.
The most confusing criticism I saw of this film was that Huntress wasn’t sexy... She’s played by Mary Elizabeth Winstead and she murders people with a crossbow, how is that not hot???
Did you actually see that criticism? Because I have seen that sentiment criticized ad nauseam... but I haven't seen a single person actually say that. Seems like the tail is wagging the dog here, that maybe one person said it and it spread largely because of how dumb it was (and also people have an agenda when it comes to female-led movies, and being able to weaponize a criticism as dumb as that serves their purpose), not because of how common it was.
Rule of thumb is that marketing and distribution costs about the same as production (this is just for calculation purposes, since studios take in different percentages of the box office based on location and weeks in theaters.) For Suicide Squad, it's a bomb because they spent a lot on marketing, so it might have broken even.
I agree this isn’t a SJW film. If you want an example of a SJW film that’s 2019 Black Christmas.
What even is a SJW movie? Like are we still getting triggered by SJWs in 2020?
@@dylanrodrigues
Not triggered. Just annoyed.
@@dylanrodrigues i cant take anyone seriously when they use the term
No but BOP was a borefest esepcially compared to the comics
The general rule of thumb is that in order for a film to be considered "successful" it needs to make at least 2-2.5 times its production budget back.
BOP made around 200 mil off of a 100 mil budget, its definitely in "Box office disappointment" territory rather than "Box Office Bomb" land.
The knife in the back was marketing, all the other details like accuracy to the DCU just twisted said knife. As far as being a female led movie, BoP was everything I wanted Wonder Woman to be-- Characterization was womanly without being weighed down by the parameters of what's "lady like." I think that's the biggest mistake that leads to so many female led movies becoming pandering, so I'm just happy BoP crossed that shit out
Interesting breakdown, you got a new subscriber!
i actually think it couldve made more money than it seems if it weren't for the coronavirus. aquaman opened to 67 million and ended up making more than 1 billion
If I ever started a TH-cam channel I would want it to be like this, I love your channel so much!
I personally really enjoyed the movie, then people started saying it was bad, i still don't see it lol
Are you a comic fan? IF you are casual viewer you might like it
Pretty interesting take, understanding all the (many, many) problems, just not having them ruin the experience for you personally, I can't really hate on someone for that even if I happen to disagree
With regard to marketing and promotion lets not forget that god awful Christian Siriano show that was FULLY SPONSORED BY THE MARKETING TEAM FOR BOP.
Good rule of thumb to calculating the cost of marketing - since they very rarely actually release those numbers - is they typically spend around as much on marketing a film as they spent on the production. So Birds of Prey would have needed to pull in around 170 mil to break even. Which it surpassed. Not by a huge amount, but it still brought in around 30 mil.
I really enjoyed the film agree about the issues with marketing I didn’t see any agenda. Love robbies portrayal of Harley. Love your channel and wish this movie came out before Suicide Squad.
Considering it was released at the start of a global pandemic I think it did VERY well
I was not excited for the movie at all and i fudgeballs love birds of pray and Harley Quinn. In my opinion every group scene Harley was in she didn't have to be in at all. Also yeah, she was not even mentioned by name in the b.o.b. comics. I would have loved a Gotham City Sirens movie or a B.o.b. movie without Harley those would be completely better movies to me.
Idk why they didn't do GSC. that would have got audience
@@selty true, that movie would have gotten so much more hype
Went to see it in theaters and dreaded seeing it and after watching it I have to say....I LOVED IT! It wasn't like any DC movie before and I had a blast. Not anything special but it was just fun and that's good enough for me (::::
You should watch terminator 2
Your intro makes me happy 😃 🙌🏻
The movies marketing failed when Ewan McGregor made that comment about BOP being a feminist movie. After that they got tons of youtubers creating videos how this movie doesn't want men, how it's a woke movie and other usual stuff.
I never did watch the film but seeing that this was released in 2020 made me remember how there were plenty of films released this year but most had such poor marketing and were sometimes just forgettable films anyway that, and you probably guessed it, they ended up being forgotten 3 seconds after release. Like other than the Sonic film I totally forgot about Onward, Scoob, Trolls World Tour, just about every film dropped onto streaming sites, and obviously this film.
I think changing the title and marketing strategy post-release killed the film before it ever got started.
what happened ?
I really liked this movie too, but I understand why other people might not like it. The marketing really did the movie now favors. I also think an overlooked aspect was the pandemic. China accounts for 20% of the audience for these superhero genre movies and all the theaters in China at the time BoP was released were closed.
9:56 that's the problem. We know it's pandering to you and we also know that most people don't watch said films that are being pandered to your demographic yet everyone else gets stomped on in the media for disliking the direction of the film and it's pandering elements.
Our complaint is that if they didn't hate us we would go see these films but they love you more despite the fact that you don't care much for them.
It's a very toxic relationship we all have with the media.
When analysing box office you have remember that studios only receive half of the box office (the other half goes to cinemas) so this means that while movies like alita battle Angel(grossing 404 million on a budget of 170 million) look like they make a profit on the surface they actually end up losing the studio money
I think the “SJW” parts people were talking about was the fact that basically all the men in the movie were objectively bad people, the “man’s world song”, the fact that they changed Victor Zazz’s character from a regular psychopathic killer to only a killer of women. I think it was Jeremy Jahns who said one of the main themes of the movie was “men bad, women good” and black mask’s main personality trait is that he is an over the top mysoginist.
Yeah we needed some semblance of balance.
Another excellent vid. I really appreciate you putting out content while the world is on fire. I'm grateful for the healthy distraction.
I didn't see "Birds of Prey". It's the kind of thing I would watch if a friend lent me their bluray*. But I can't get up enough motivation otherwise.
The majority of my film-watching these days is spent looking backwards. I'm an unrepentant believer in "physical media", and find myself watching more and more of my own personal library, particularly older films, regularly "replenishing" it via the many (thank God) excellent producers of quality blurays, like *Arrow Video, Kino Lorber Studio Classics, Twilight Time, Eureka! Masters of Cinema, Powerhouse Indicator, and, of course, The Criterion Collection* ...oh, and Shout Factory. They do good work too.
Unless it's a director whose work I admire, or unless it's a film everyone is going absolutely bonkers over, I find myself getting less and less excited about new releases. Not that I NEVER get excited. I loved *Avengers: Endgame* for instance. Most of the Marvel films, in my opinion, are brilliant examples of the genre. And I was jumping for joy with my friends when *Parasite* won (deservedly) all those Oscars.
But, personally, I get way more excited about discovering some random cool old film noir from the late-40's than anything at the megaplex.
Jesus, I sound old, lol....Bah. It is what it is.
*Or if I could find a really inexpensive streaming rental option. Like, $3.99.
Apart that the characters and backstories barely or at all do not match the characters except for Harley and that all the man are portrait like hate woman(The Rene Montoya part is an example) is a clear fact that is not only agenda driven but bad script that do not help the people go to see this movie and its funny that most of the people who go to see the movie are man, you know the persons who as you say hate this movie even before they see it and not for the reason me and other coments give it to you and the declarations that many people involve in the film say... Did you know that the director say that the movie lost money because of racism????