judging the Hargreeves sibling's choices in Umbrella Academy season 2
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- The Hargeeves siblings have been scattered all around Dallas in the 60s. Now that is a lot to adjust to, especially when Five shows up and tells them the apocalypse is coming back. Some handle it better than others.
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It's not clear that "young" five actually have "old" five the correct calculations. He said he did, but I don't totally believe him. Though it seems like time travel in Umbrella Academy is not circular, so there may be a ton of branches of the timeline with various different scenarios.
I can’t believe you forgot the Olga Foroga moment where Luther and Diego threatened some random old lady
@Swell Entertainement: Good analysis. My favorite characters, and they dominate the show, Vanya and Number 5. I like Klaus: I hope he gets more powers like in the comics!
I wonder if Vanya is going to be recasted or is her charter going to transition genders as well?
Elliot deserved better this season. He adapts to the siblings' craziness, lets them eat his food, sleep and have sex in his bed, and lets them live in his house rent free, only to get tied up and killed for his trouble. 😭💔
Yeah, his death did seem unnecessarily brutal
If you get emotionally involved with bit characters, that seems like a you problem.
Yeah, not to mention you could clearly see he was tortured and only Slowly killed...so unfortunate
Not to mention he got killed by the most incompetent assassins ever
I genuinely felt bad for Elliot in a way I rarely do for side characters. He wasn't built up as even a potential target, he's a total recluse who wouldn't even be the typical weakness for heroes (not that UA are heroic by any stretch), and he deserved none of what happened to him.
I feel like no one is talking about the fact that we learned Grace was a smart and strong-willed scientist this season, which makes the fact that Reginald based Mom off her but made her a mild-mannered subservient 50's housewife so much worse. He couldn't get the real woman for whatever reason, so he used her likeness to create the version of her he wanted. That had me *hollering* at the screen
tbh i thought he literally turned her into a robot (don't ask me how)
Domagoj Čović let me guess, you're an incel.
@Domagoj Čović I hear if you keep talking shit about us feminists infront of a mirror in the dark, one of us will materialise out of nowhere and force you to denounce masculinity while dyeing your armpit hair xxx
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Idk if the implications were intentional but by God are they sure there
Luther allowing the two fives to manipulate him makes sense for his character. He was meant to be a leader of the Umbrella Academy but his desire for his fathers approval turned him into the ultimate follower. Also Five going after Lila alone is on brand for his character too. He is arrogant. So he probably thought even if she attacks him he can fight her off easily.
Reginald never I intended for him to lead. He intended for him to follow.
That’s why him being Number One is ironic. The kids were literally numbered based on how well Reginald could control (i.e. manipulate) them
Lady Blubel they were named based of which millisecond they were born
Ashton Likes In the comics?
Lady Blubel yeah, but it’s also a reference like you said, as well as a reference to the different stages of grief
I feel like Reginald purposely made sure not to adopt the UA kids after all their 60s BS. Like, "Oh no, not THESE assholes! I'll just offer the other parents more money for their kids."
Yeah same. The scene at the table very obviously showed that reginald was displeased with most of the kids. So he might have avoided adopting them (Or they are the same kids and he raised/trained them differently, since Ben is still there too)
Which is ironic, because he's the one who made them that way.
I wonder then if he still adopted 5
@@mujiescomedy279 He did actually seem somewhat pleased with five. Wanting to talk with only him and all... Interesting....
@@anneidevdl
Five is way too much like Reginald, save for his loyalty to family.
I felt cheated by season 2 there was not enough of AJ Carmichael. Why introduce a fish man android character and only have him in a couple of episodes. Other than that I enjoyed this season lol
Honestly, that's what his appearance in the comics is like too. They don't go super in-depth into his character. So I think that was kind of a stylistic choice to keep it more similar to the comics. Like a bunch of weird shit just happened and we aren't going to get answers anytime soon. I do find him really interesting tho. I could have used more of him too.
Read the comics he is a way more important character
Same!! I loved AJ’s design and just the whole concept of the character.
I assumed they didn’t have the budget
tbh carmichael didn't appear that much in the comics either. He was Five's superior, showed up to force 10yo/older Five to fight against his older/younger self who had went rogue while on the JFK task (in the end Allison was the one who killed JFK) then 10yo Five killed him & ate the goldfish. Stylish design but not much else.
I love how Ben's section is just: "he's hot, 10 umbrellas" because honestly same.
Allison being involved in the civil rights movement wasn’t as bad for the time line as one might think. There were lots of unsung heroes during the movement. Her biggest mistake was getting married because it might have stopped him from having a different family.
Allison also states she really want stability and it’s why she got married. She thought she was stuck there forever
Yeah! I thought it was weird how no one brought that up. Allison said she needed “stability” but I was like what about that guy? Doesn’t he deserve stability too? She kind of pretended in front of him. I felt like she was waiting the whole time and that she wasn’t planning for it to be permanent that’s why she was so reluctant to have children. It’s so unfair to the guy.
Duck Hampton I think she was only there for a year. I kind of wonder if she was hesitate to have kids because she lost Claire or she didn’t want to bring black children into the racist world of 1960? I can’t imagine the culture shock and horror of going from 2019’s racial problems to 1960 racial problems.
Onto the fact that when you look at her photos, she is not black was pretty weird but eh. Seems more like a casting problem or that it wasn't planned I guess
@@daffo595 Reluctant to have kids? She was only married to him for a year and they were in the middle of being activists.
"We got way more of Ben this season, it was distracting. Ben is great and Justin Min is to attractive"
This
This was literally all I wanted from this video and season lol
Yes
IMO Five had a right to be more dickish to his siblings, for the first third of the season he was the only one giving a hoot about the apocalypse lmao
To be fair Allison and Klaus didn’t know until later.
If I was 5 I would've dropped kicked them all
yeah exactly!! And! Everyone else had had time in between the last apocalypse and now to recuperate and get their bearings. Five on the other hand ended up basically going out of the frying pan into the fire. He's been going through at least a week of non-stop stress dealing with an impending existential threat, as well as being pushed around by his superiors whom he hates. The boy is starting to run on fumes at this point and is taking it out on those around him. I'm not saying I agree but I do understand😅
Not to mention he was literally the only reason they we alive in the first place. Otherwise they all would have died in the 2019 apocalypse.
I love how the last episode starts with Hargreaves being a douche at Ben's funeral and is basically like "yeah maybe if you guys were a better team he wouldn't be dead" and the last scene is Ben alive with a better team
oh shit, i didnt even notice that, nice catch!
Diego's stutter coming back due to Reginald being a total asshole to him made me want to punch my computer screen. Poor baby. :( (SIDENOTE: watch my umbrella academy reactions on my channel) 🥰🥰
Likewise, I just wanted to reach into the screen, punch out Reggie, and give Diego ALL of the hugs possible! 👊🤗💕
That scene broke my heart :(
j.denchii RM I agree :(
Trina Q SAME i love that kid :(
That scene made me mad at all the other siblings. I get he's the abuser, but none of the kids losing their shit on Reginald (including Vayna, who didn't remember anything), pissed me off.
Having Vayna stand up for the rest of the family to their dad would have given her such a badass moment. refocusing all the anger she had at Carl, defending this family (who betrayed her), standing up to Reginald. beautiful character arc chance.
Say what you want about this season, but Vanya finally got to be her inner Ellen Paige and really that’s all i asked for.
It is so funny I have seen exactly one episode. In that one episode I was like Vanya and that chick are in love. They built that relationship very well.
Ellen page’s true superpower has always been the ability to insert Gay Subtext
Agreed, I loved how Vanya grew and developed this season, and how she embraced her bisexual identity. Kudos to Ellen Page and Marin Ireland for believably portraying Vanya and Sissy's romance, which gets you rooting for them both! 👭💘
Ikr? I don't usually care for amnesia plots, but the fact that for the majority of the season she didn't even remember Harold/Leonard and Sissy was her first great romance just filled me with glee.
Allison F so fucking this. It also completely deviated from her character arc last season and in the graphic novel....... the choice to make her character gay this season (oh I’m sorry, bisexual) was CLEARLY agenda driven.
GIRL THIS SEASON MADE ME STRESSED DID NO ONE EVER LEARN OF THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT??
I loved the TV report just showing them and their fuck-ups with the timeline, it was hilarious
"Suspected of being a Russian spy"
"Cult leader"
"Works for the mafia boss"
"Has rambled about this exact incident for years"
"Civil rights activist and organizer of riots"
"Kid might be a hostage"
@@LunaWitcher don't forget "known tax evader" lmao
the audacity they had to go back and be SURPRISED that things are different
@@girlhorrror omg so true
nadia o'neil LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK. This season was peak anxiety just watching them change shit over and over.
I just love when they were going around the table explaining to Reginald what their powers were and Vanya is just acting like a child when she accidentally broke the dishes around them
I also like when she's doing the little finger guns and shooting the bottles in the hair salon after she's been drinking
and that little "oops", i find it cute
@@xixiannc8055 me too
It was sooo cute
we stan happy Vanya
happy Vanya who thinks she's a missing person is nice
Season 1: Luther going on about the moon in seemingly every conversation
Season 2: Diego trying to save JFK
Season 3 : What will Allison be obsessed with next season, I wonder?! 🤔😉
Trying to see Claire
Macaron not Macadamia
And eventually finding out she doesn’t exist? That’s be realistic I think
@@rizzolaroux That's actually really good.
I really want her to obsess about her daughter, then with her not existing, and then obsess about Luther because he likes her more than everybody else. I wanna see this become toxic, and Allison turning into a villain.
omg imagine having 7 seasons in this format
"It was on brand. BUT A BAD CHOICE!!" yep, that's sounds like the entirety of season 2 for me...
I think their handling of Klaus's ptsd was really good, mainly in the paint shaker scene. I have ptsd and I liked how he didn't immediately start crying like I've seen in other shows, he just dissociated and grounded himself. also fun to see that Klaus had the same main trauma response as me lmao, go freezes!
I think Robert Sheehan is a very good actor
“Freezes, Unite!” Cptsd is my tormenter! I also appreciated the depiction
Omfg “go freezes” 😂
I think my highlight for the whole season was 5 going ape shit on the board of directors with a fire axe. He didn't want to take the job originally, but you can tell he absolutely enjoyed it. He's dark. I like that.
My favorite character arc was Vanya's arc, however. I felt like we really got to see how she'd grow as a person when she finds an environment where she's included, and that she can forge deep emotional ties to people who simply accept her.
@Domagoj Čović Dave's uncle in the dinner scene was exactly the same. In fact the writers could have very easily just had Carl be Dave's uncle, and the story could have been slightly richer because of it.
@Domagoj Čović It was kind of a whip lash. He went from a family man with a pretty good heart to a generic bad guy. I really thought he was going to force himself on Vanja, but he didn't and I admired him for it.
That said, I think that is one of the main themes tho.
Mine was when he completely lost his cool on the vending machine. Like honestly five I feel you too
I honestly hate how 5’s siblings were treating him this season. They were taking the apocalypse so lightly after everything five did to try to stop it. They were blaming him for getting them scattered across time when he could have left them to all die and just save himself but he didn’t. They were also treating him like he did understand how hard their lives are when he saw his siblings die 3 times and got stuck alone in the apocalypse for 45 years. In season 3 they can’t really blame five for the messed up timeline since he found a way for them to get back to their timeline and stop both of the apocalypses if they just made the time limit that was set on the briefcase.
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Ive thought about this a lot, five didn’t cause anything, he only tried to stop it. All of the siblings blamed him constantly and it seemed a bit ridiculous
Ruby yes they would ignore his suggestions and then complain about the apocalypse
This family is so bad at communicating! None of them listen to any of the others and Five is very bad at explaining why the others should go along with his plan. I don't think half of them actually fully understood that their loved ones would DIE in the apocalypse and so it should be their top priority to maintain the timeline and stop the apocalypse, even if you they to leave their loved ones in a shitty situation. It's like no one thinks for more than one second in this show, except for Five- but he can't figure out how to explain himself properly so the others are just loose cannons hahaha
the only time five got a break was when he got shot in season 1
my most unpopular umbrella academy opinion is that I kind of love luther. I think he’s an overhated himbo, and ppl seem to ignore how abuse and daddy issues have shaped him.
Agree. People think that because Luther is dealing with the abuse in a different way then the other siblings he’s wrong.
I honestly really enjoyed him working for Ruby. He finally got to be his own person and we got to see him in his own element. He strives without his siblings but I would like to see him interact with Vayna more positively. I think they could have a very interesting dynamic.
I agree, even in Season 1, I liked Luther, and he was just coping with his abusive childhood by embracing it, and denying that it happened. He shows tremendous growth over the Season 2, accepting that Allison is married to Ray, apologising to Vanya for locking her up, and having a hilarious dynamic with the two Fives. 💕😻
I don't hate him, but I don't love him either. I thought the being in love with your sister thing was kinda fucked, but hey, trauma. I do like that he stood up for himself to Reginald for once.
@@atticcouch him choosing to work for Ruby was just Luther substituting his dad. "Ruby kills the killer of JFK? He must be a decent guy. Oh look! He's also dad's age."
It feels like people are forgetting that the thesis of this whole show is that these are all emotionally broken children who are making bad choices related to trauma. Their father saw their journey as "put aside your humanity, be objective, stop making the bad choices, and be smarter than you are vulnerable." but that is ultimately the mindset that destroyed their emotional maturities. They have these images of heroes over them, but they aren't those people. They aren't super heroes by nature, they're children with powers. The show is a case study on the fallout of emotional neglect. They don't stop being the humans that they are just because they learned a lesson. Luther is emotionally impulsive and gullible because he spent all his time, even in to his adult life, without relationships, taking the words of one man as gospel. He never really had to deal with negative emotions because he never gave himself the personhood to do so. Of course he would listen to whichever stern authoritative Five is talking to him, because he' a non-skeptical person. Of course he reacts dramatically to his emotional impulses, because he's never felt any of these ways before. And of course he cares about pleasing his stern authoritative new boss and doesn't want to risk his place as somebody's #1 to fight another apocalypse. Diego's Jfk obsession isn't him "fighting the plot" he didn't even know about the apocalypse before he let it destroy his sanity. He was latching on to the most important thing in the world at the time because he needs to be important. He's broken. When Diego starts associating the apocalypse with the assassination, it is clearly portrayed as him being irrational. It's why he takes such pride in being scouted by the organization, because it means he's high on the food chain of importance. He levels out when he feels like he's doing important things. The show is also constantly portrayed by unreliable narrators. Five isn't the authority on time travel, he's constantly wrong about a lot of things, and it's pretty clear that the show's rules on time travel are "time changes it doesn't split, there's no back to the future disappearing, paradoxes are a joke that we literally explain as a medical condition, don't worry about it" but Five, in all his arrogance, has to feel like he knows all the rules to everything, so he wastes their time doing something dumb.
These siblings are not who they need to be. If they were, this show would be over pretty quick. The villains are portrayed as, more or less, pretty average people. It's about the recovery process. It's not about power levels and tactics.
I agree. This is what I love most about the show.
Whew, well-said.
Dude we know, but like, we're just saying, they do be sometimes stupid and it's just fun(? Kinda for me I guess idk why) to like analyse their incredibly sometimes bad and/or stupid decisions
Idk it's just fun so yeah, good day, thank you for coming to my TED talk
Amen
(I’m not religious except for Umbrella Academy)
Great analysis!
I loved the scene in the hair salon with Vanya, Allison, and Klaus. Klaus explaining all of their shitty decisions and Allison and Luther's weird relationship to an increasingly bewildered Vanya was hilarious.
Okay so. We know Diego can manipulate bullets weapons etc. so why didnt he try moving the bullet killing JFK. Or better yet. You know that weird magic bullet theory as people were confused about how it hit. I think it would have been cool if Diego tried to maneuver the bullet but still ended up killing him as he tried too late. Hence leading people to make up that magic bullet theory and why it moved weird.
Exactly! He was the only one that cared about jfk like if he couldnt just manipulate the bullet.
Diego can only manipulate metal objects of a certain size "around him". The only way he could use it to save JFK, if he was right there next to him. Like super close
I was honestly expecting Diego's ability to be the cause of the "curved bullet" theory
That would have been sooooo good. but cant lie... Diego was driving me crazy with his JFK fixation
It's funny, in the comics JFK dies because Allison posed as the first lady and rumored him into being shot in the head (yes she can do that she's VERY op in the comics) so in a sense having the magic bullet theory be related to the Hargreeves kids' powers isn't that much of a stretch.
Nobody:
Klaus: don’t go chasing waterfalls
Diego and Luther together in a room by themselves is the “my last two braincells” meme
Noone mentions how 5 saw Ben in the Soviet invasion scene but then doesn't call out Klaus for "ghosts not being able to time travel"
Dave Roberts I think because he wasn’t there very long he was more preoccupied with the end of the world so he might have forgotten. Or he just didn’t care, idk
@Alexander Zschusschen yeah now thinking of it, 5 would have no way to know what Ben looks like since apparently ghosts age. I guess he thought klaus was channeling some random spirit thing
@@tinygreencreature5167 Some random spirit that had the exact powers of his deceased sibling? Not quite, 5 just doesn't give a shit
@@alexandertsamourlidis646 I mean in a world where superpowers and ghosts exist, I'd say that's pretty possible. Most media with ghosts has them using powers anyways and klaus only recently started using his powers so noone except him would know how ghosts work
@Alexander Zschusschen true
Nobody:
Five: I'm ThE dAdDy hErE!
he’s like a vicious chihuahua
That was my favorite part of him in the whole show
HE IS LIKE A VICIOUS CHIHUAHUA omg
I think the worst decision of the whole of season 2 is sissy's choice to go back and write a note!! She caused the end of the world! If she hadn't done it then Vanya wouldnt have been arrested and wouldnt have been tortured etc!
omg you're right
true, but idk if i were in her position i don't think i could leave my life behind without any goodbyes or explanations. a bad desicion, absolutely, but a very human one
Precisely, I thought nothing of it the first time I watched it, but on a rewatch, I've realised that had Ben not been able to calm down Vanya, Sissy's simple note could have potentially been responsible for World War III, and Vanya's causing of yet ANOTHER apocalypse! 😮
@@weemil oh for sure!I would have totally done the same in sissy's position. It's just a bad choice in terms of the consequences!
@@weemil true
It sort of seemed like everyone's powers were amped up in that soviet invasion flash-forward scene, and I was waiting all season for that to make sense given they only had like a week to work out what was going on. Particularly Diego, very suddenly being able to *stop* bullets in the last episode seemed to come out of nowhere, seeing as any other time bullets were flying, he never even tried to redirect them in any obvious way.
Yeah and the fact they never even mention it, like if he did just discover he could do that (which is unlikely, given he's been in a lot of situations where there are bullets flying at him, so why would it just happen then) he never mentions it.
@@mayhapsvenotcaleb4576 notice how he is never shot? maybe he is redirecting but its minor so it doesn't take a lot of effort while the big fight with the commission is a load of bullets and a hugely different direction change (a near right angle away) so that's why that scene was emphasized.
I mean it made sense he could, but I wish we could seem him slowly develope it. Like how Klaus did it. But eh
Agreed, but I guess it makes sense now how they're always running in straight lines and somehow not getting shot
I feel like they pulled lyla’s abilities out of their ass at the last moment. It would have been better if they at least hinted at the fact she had powers throughout the season so when it was finally revealed we could have a “oh that’s what they meant” moment but nope, they just basically said “hey what if we just give her powers for absolutely no reason?!”
I WAS THINKING ABT CLAIRE THE WHOLE TIME AND HOW NOBODY TALKED ABOUT HER
Ditto, there was an extremely high possibility that Claire wouldn't even exist after the changes to the timeline, but I was grateful that at least Allison brought her up towards the end, if only briefly. ♥️
I don’t know, I feel like if they kept bringing up Claire it’d just be annoying that in the end we never got a chance to see her. It’d be like if Checkhov’s gun never went off. So -1 point for realism but +1 for efficient story telling
Charlie Dalencour sure but completely overlooking a character like that, since she was somewhat of a plot point in season one just makes it feel like the producers forgot about her
@@sawyer2044 Yeah, that's a valid perspective too
well, it has been a year or two for most of them so it makes sense for Allison to be trying to live her life without bringing up her daughter who is nonexistent at the moment.
disappointed you didn’t include the true star of this season: Herb
and elliot
Diego's obsession with saving JFK "in order to prevent apocalypse" is so irritating, considering they know from the future that he already died then.. As if changing significant events doesnt come without consequences..
Precisely, he even rants about trying to save Hitler while talking to Five in the asylum, proving that Diego has his heroic complex intact! 😂
I think in their 2019 timeline he WASN’T assassinated.
Study Zen if that was true why would Diego be trying to stop the assassination in the first place? If it never happened in those timeline he wouldn’t have even known about it
Rini Giam That’s fair. I hadn’t thought about that.
Oh no!
Its almost like the accumulation of his hero complex of beforehand? Seriously didnt his dad, already made it obvious...
Diego has gotten better with his siblings, no longer carrying the grudges of the number system. But deep down he is still a kid, playing hero. He doesn't care nor understands time travel because it stands in the way of him "saving the world". You can be annoyed, but you can understand why.
I feel like u have the time travel wrong...the time travel isn’t cyclical, it’s more like a tree. The Commission have to maintain the roots, not (all) the branches. They do, however, have to maintain the trunk as well which is Reginald Hargreeves. Seems his adoption of the Ones of October (yes, that is what I call them) is the core of everything that happens in the timeline because him being an alien completely fucked the timeline
I'm so gonna start calling them that
I think the OG commission (or The Handler)wanted the apocalypse to happen just so they wouldn't have to spend so many resources dealing with time travelers. One was enough to ruin their whole operation!
Wait, can someone explain this more? I dont understand.
@@caprileon3857 The commission have to make sure the roots are prim and proper to allow the tree to fully grow. The branches on the other hand extend from the tree and by part are the branching timelines. The overall trunk is Reginald Hargreeves in this case, so keeping him alive preserves every timeline, the UA just jumped into their direct timeline which is the SA
Wait, why is he an alien tho? JDJSKSK so he ain’t human?
I feel like they forgoed some of Klaus’ development in favour of meme-ifying him more. Yeah he was the breakout hit from the last season, but making him constantly spew sass and gifable one liners (read dramatic moment when both of his siblings may have died in the penultimate episode) detracted from the rounded character they set out at the beginning
I think he had really good, heartbreaking moments with Dave. I wish they had expanded on that a little bit more, and maybe a little more serious moments with Ben. I'm hoping he'll have more of that in season 3.
zombiedrea Yeah, the Dave stuff felt very in character and gave him some depth and I hope there’s more (descendant in 2019 maybe?) but like in the video it felt like Klaus was being cruel to Ben for no conceivable reason. I also kinda found the siblings’ treatment of Klaus’ addiction troubling. They all fully encourage his drinking habit- Allison goes “I’m not going to be an enabler” and then like 5 seconds later she’s bringing out the good booze for them to drink lol. Not so much a complaint cuz I can see them doing that irl. I did like the season overall though!
What do you expect, they were all born October 1st, it’s an army of Libras.
mmmm 😌
I feel so seen.
me being born on october 1st 😳✌️
Hilarious
Hahhahahha
Ok how are you gonna talk about five's bad decisions and ignore the fact he broke the vending machine
and didn’t even get the snack he wanted to get like ???
luther was 100% a himbo this season and honestly? much more likable for it
he’s a dumb lil puppy and we love him for it
himbo rights
in fairness to allison, she can only remember claire if the writers do.
What if they're all the same people just with scars and emo haircuts? 😂
Oh my god yessssssssssss
Lol well atleast one of them is a glowing cube (or has control over a glowing cube) so probably not. But I mean I not willing to give up hope entirely...that would be pretty cool.
I don't think it is but I would so love this, I support and hope now
No they're not, there's already a sparrow academy in the comics and they are different people, the cube is there too
That would be so epic
Why is no one talking about Klaus probably radically changing the music industry for the next 60 years? How many bands did Klaus keep from going mainstream because he stole the hooks to their songs? Did Klaus stop Beyoncé from becoming Beyoncé by stealing the name Destiny’s Children? We probably won’t get this answered in season 3 but I need to know.
But maybe Klaus' cult and the use of the lines were the thing that inspired them to begin with 🤔
Kristin 11 I don’t think so. If that were the case then the Umbrella Academy always went back to the 1960s but we know that there presence in the 1960s caused a Nuclear War. Also we know for a fact that the Umbrella Academy’s influence in the 1960s did change the timeline (The Sparrow Academy/Ben being alive). I don’t know maybe the music industry was unaffected but I’m willing to bet otherwise.
@@TBoring yeah seems to make sense. I would have thought of it as some sort of pardoxon. For example: As soon as time travel exists it will have always existed.
@@kristinbornemeier2523 I also think that people would take issue with like a popular group taking inspiration from a cult.
I really liked Five’s character, you can tell how deeply he loves his family and how he’s willing to do anything for them. His bonding time with Reginald also broke my heart because they seemed to actually enjoy each other’s company (which was also hinted at in Season 1 by the massive portrait of Five).
I gotta say when I went into a tv 14 show about superheros i wasn't expecting a 16 year old to break into a board room and graphically murder everyone inside but here we are
He’s 58, but true
I think he’s meant to be 13
I wonder if next season since they didn’t get adopted by Hargreeves, will we meet their biological mothers and see those dynamics? That would be interesting since I think we only met Vanya’s mom.
Imagine we get a scene with Vanya and her mom speaking Russian 😍😍
Tell me if you think differently but I felt like Lila’s powers came out of nowhere, even though we got a small hint at them with her and five’s fight. It still felt like her having copying abilities, was too much of a shock. I love that we finally see more of the other children, but she really just felt off
To me it was more like an “ah ha wow twist” thing
I agree-I feel like I was still reeling in from the twist of her being the Handler’s daughter and then her discovering Five killed her parents. Then, the moment they introduce that she has powers that mimic others’ abilities, my mind immediately zoned out. Too many twists and it felt like twists for the sake of being twists. I want to like her character but in the end she/her story arc didn’t sit well with me.
But it actually makes sense why The Handler adopted her tho.
@@irisforlife4953 yet it was a super rushed twist after another which is what i think ruined the impact of the situation. If they had stated earlier in the season that the handler adopted her for a reason then her having powers wouldnt feel as rushed
ahh i felt the same way!! i was like "...huh?? where did this come from??" I would've appreciated more of a deft hand at foreshadowing that HUGE plot twist
I thought the vanya torture hallway screen was a bit long and played out and needed to happen a little bit faster
I had 2 big take aways from this seaons. 1: Ben has apparently been attached to Klaus since the day he died without a way to communicate with anyone for years at a time, including Klaus because his powers barely functioned when he was high. He has also aged in ghost form from teen to adulthood. He seems to have the least amount of trauma, perhaps because death freed him from Hargreaves. So I am very curious what bangs Ben will be like.
2: Alison could have grabbed a bullhorn and changed the phrase "I have a dream" in MLK speech to "I heard a rumor" and speed the Civil Rights movement up by like 30 years. The fact that she was willing to interfere with history but not enough to make the most meaningful impact was frustrating.
The only thing that seemed silly to me was how it was kind of the same overall plot all over again. They are all living their own lives, five comes back, tells them about the apocalypse in __ days, nobody really listens to him and continues on their own stories with their own priorities, but eventually their priorities merge and save the day. It was too close not to be on purpose though so it probably means something that I'm not seeing lol (Also sad that Hazel was just gone in the first few minutes of the first episode, hoping to see more of him, and the lack of violin with Vanya was annoying, kind of understandable with the memory loss but they could have still worked that in, it's a big part of her character)
I️ totally agree! I️ thought this season we were going to see more of their time as kids fighting crime/ their relationship dynamics back then instead of the same rehashed storyline.
I'm not saying every single part was the same, but yeah, the overall points I mentioned were? I just thought that after the first season, they might take 5 seriously but Diego couldn't stop trying to help JFK, Luther was obsessed with finding Allison and ignoring the problem by going back to the fight club, Klaus just wanted to talk to Dave, and Allison was trying to fix racism. They all ignored 5 and just let him deal with the problem until a lot later on when it started to affect their priorities more and they were forced to get involved. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, I Ioved season 2, but I didn't expect the show to hit those same beats again.
I actually enjoyed it. Because even though it started with their own lives, the result was much different for a reason. Vanya actually had room to grow as a person and as a member as the family, Luther is getting over his daddy issues, Diego has lost his grudge from the number system, and Allison was fighting with her own power. They falter in some of these things from time to time, but all in all they stood by it. Now, these people actually come together and act like a family. This is a major change that actually makes them win for once! Mostly. I agree it was similar at first, but became a much more different and ended very differently. Just my little ol opinion
@@Joawlisdoingfine That makes sense! Like I said, it had to have been on purpose since it was so similar and there was probably more meaning to it that I was missing. I guess I was just mostly annoyed they didn't listen to 5 again and get down to business, which was exactly like season 1 lol
Quilo Sky and that’s completely okay! That’s just something I wanted. We are all entitled to our opinions on the show ❤️❤️
Me: (hasn't and won't watch this show)
Also me: Ah yes, reviews. Worry not, I do not mind spoilers.
@Quilo Sky i just don't care for it from anything I've seen so far XP
@Quilo Sky well fortunately for me,I have no interest in finding out.
I'm glad ya like it, power to ya, but I just ain't interested in watching it ;-;
I actually really like Luther this season. Luther finally let go of his idealized version of Reggie bc he had a one on one and he got shanked in the heart.
He's experiencing moving on his own for the first time as himself. He's meeting people, eating outside, wallowing in his feelings.
He felt accepted by Ruby and he was told by Diego's landlord that he's a good fit for boxing.
Allison thought they were all dead. She was back in time for a year. She lost her voice and her family was gone. The era that isn't welcoming for her either. She didn't think she'd get back to the present but when Luther said they can go back the first thing she mentioned was Claire.
Allison has no voice literally bc of her injury and also "no voice" bc of the time shes in as a black woman
I'm very glad you called out the people who have... creepy behaviours towards Five. I mean, I'm the same age as Aidan Gallagher and I still think it's weird because of his little 13 year old body, it's a weird subject but at least leave him alone for the sake of the actor
Ppl are trolling him mercilessly.
My favorite characters this season was Allison and Diego, they really grew and that coffee scene was so powerful.
I concur, they had the most interesting plots, next to Vanya, and received the most significant amount of character development and growth. 💖
@@trinaq this comment deserves more likes
Allison is by far the worst character wym lmao
cherry everyone has their favorite character, mines just happens to be her, Diego and Vanya.
jill cherry can you explain why you don’t like her?
Ray is perfect. I wanted him to come with them. I love Herb. He better be in Season 3 a lot. He's a little dumpling. Diego is soooooo dumb, but I do like him this season over last. It's probably just bc David Castaneda is so hot. Klaus was my favorite last season, but he really let me down this season. Ben deserved better (and so did Elliot).
I'm confused about Ben's portrait in the last ep of Season 2. Mostly due to the fact that we saw a similar portrait of Five in Season 1 (painted due to his disappearance), so does that mean the Ben we saw with emo hair is NOT portrait!Ben. Are they twins? I need answers!
Wait you're right. Why does the Ben on the painting look so different from emo Ben? Also the placement of the painting (The original one of Five indicating a missing child) is odd.
Maybe in the new timeline Ben went missing but then was found? I'm not sure
I just kinda assumed that Reginald isn't the type to let Ben wear his hair like that for his official portrait. You know that dude is hoity-toity enough to make Ben gel it up for a day lol
Maybe Ben has a twin in this timeline and the Ben we know still died because that was an inevitable event on the time line (same as the end of the world supposedly was)? And the “emo Ben” is actually the twin and not the Ben we know.
or the new team didn't lose anybody, so the painting was of the team leader and not a memorial. If they didn't lose anyone then there's no need for a memorial painting.
the best part about this season: I'm tHe DaDdY hErE!
I heard somewhere that Reginald numbered the kids' strength backwards, meaning 7 is the strongest, 6 the second strongest, etc... which could explain why luther isnt very...powerful
I guess that could be true but then again one could argue that Rumor is stronger than for example Klaus' powers
@@yikesforever4299 Eh. Allison has the power to compel actions, which is powerful, sure. But Klaus is implied to not even fully access his powers and can, in the least, manifest whole groups of the dead into the physical realm. That's pretty next level stuff. Five has time travel. Ben accesses other dimensions which house eldritch horrors and monsters that he appears to maintain some degree of control over. And then Vanya, who is apparently viewed as the most dangerous of the siblings.
I also kind of assume that Allison can't control a deaf person, or could be foiled by noise cancelling headphones.
@@voodoomoss well just saying she did blow up people's brains with her rumor so yeah. That makes me think there's more than just altering someone's mind. She's done some crazy stuff in the comics too. I wish they'd explain her powers a bit more cause there really is no clear limit to the Rumor besides herself being afraid of them.
I think her rumor is more than just if you hear it you're affected since they put that effect that comes out of her mouth when she says it.
Then again in comics Klaus also had some more powers like levitating or something (without Ben holding him lol)
Nah, in the comics it's based on the millisecond at which they were born. Vanya was born last.
There is no explanation in the show. In the comics, it is based on the millisecond they are born. In the show, no reason given at all.
Klaus is fun but his storyline in this season was a little disappointing
It never really got resolved. He never redeemed himself nor was he condemned for creating a completely bullshit cult because he's a narcissistic hedonist. I wonder if the writers were making a joke of that, considering the cultists disbelieving when he says he's a fraud (which, I haven't been in any cults, but didn't seem remotely believable), but the alternative is that it's a major plot hook for season 3. For the most part, though, Klaus doesn't grow an inch from where he got to by the end of season 1. If anything, it felt like he traded his alcoholism for being abusive to Ben, which, again, he was never punished for nor apologized about.
Patrick Lewis and that’s the reason I cannot stand him. It doesn’t help that the rabid fans keep praising him and revering him like he’s some hilarious and benevolent deity
Fans looove fetishizing his character
Patrick Lewis I actually assumed the cult was just a set up for season 3, even with the boyfriend going to Vietnam, I expect him to be in charge of the cult in Season 3 and maybe provide them a place to stay.
@@wmascolin It very well may be, but in season 2 in isolation, Klaus doesn't grow over the course of several years and it's hard to like him because of that. I do hope Destiny's Children is a part of S3, definitely. I also worry, though, given they picked up a hitch-hiking serial killer.
Personally, I've just decided that all the weird timeline insanity confusions is just a result of 5 not knowing how the timeline works. So he was probably just being safe by making sure his past self made it to 2019 because he didn't wanna risk being wiped from existence.
I feel like the characters are so well written and interesting that I could literally watch them and their dynamic in just about any scenario, which I think is the sign of a good show and also a sign that I am not super picky about my entertainment lol
Justin min is maybe the most beautiful man on the planet, im glad you agree
Justin's so hawt!!! 😻😻❤❤it was distracting
The common theory about Luther is that his power is improved by confidence. Lila straight up says "you gotta believe in yourself," as she's wooping his ass with his own super strength.
The worst thing Luther did was when he called Vanya a monster and then wasn’t bothered to explain that she wasn’t all bad. Doesn’t matter that he was upset, that’s the worst thing he ever did
Rita luther
Rita I don’t think what he did was right, but at least he had an OK reason for doing that. He was scared. He panicked. He thought it was the only way to stop the apocalypse.
Here he was just being a douche.
So yeah, you are right, that was worse, but this was him being a worse person imo. But at the very least, it’s still the worst thing he did this season
i love klaus which is why i was very disappointed with his plotline this season. no one “accidentally” starts a cult, the manipulation and control is very calculated and purposeful. especially with everything going on in the world, with many people feeling vulnerable and alone, to portray cults as this wacky fun thing strikes me as a little irresponsible. but maybe i’m just being an sjw lmfao
Yeah his story went nowhere. They didnt even really show us how he started the cult and the timeline was all over the place so i couldnt even tell what scene happened first. It looked like the old rich lady just picked him up and thats how the cult was started.
Klaus only "accidently" started the cult in the sense that creating a cult wasn't his intention when he started. He did very intentionly manipulate and use people to get things like money and sex from them. They don't go into exhaustive detail but we see why he targeted the old lady and how he was able to convice her community that he was a prophet. We hear through Ben, who calls him a Narcissist, that many of his followers gave up thier money and wealth to follow him. Klaus at the start of the story has just gotten bored with being a cult leader and I suspect he may even be disappointed with himself (since he knows the love of his life would not approve).
@Quilo Sky dude I don't thing he meant that it's bad because it's unrealistic and even if he did, when people say that it's unrealistic it's no that it isn't like real life, it's more like it doesn't make sense in that reality, like if Luther could jump up to the moon without any help or training it would be unrealistic cause like, we know from what we have seen his limits, it's unrealistic that Klaus managed to actually make a cult without any effort/conscience you know? Idk it it made sense I just hear the "it's not supposed to be realistic look tHeY hAvE mAgIc AnD pOwErS" you know? Sorry if I seemed like I was angry and shit talking you, idk I'm bad at comments good day
Bpls 16 you got it mate, no stress. it’s my personal opinion that anyone who could accept being a cult leader can’t be a good person. now, this cult isn’t depicted very realistically, therefore my opinion of klaus isn’t *too* darkened by his being a cult leader. but the knowledge that in real life cults are horrific, abusive constructs that prey on weak and vulnerable people (often women) sort of makes the silly antics less satisfying for me, which ended up sort of souring ben’s romance arc too. it’s not about being unrealistic, it just left a bad taste in my mouth, because it seems gross to depict cults this way when they cause so many people very real suffering
it made me feel sooo gross that he had sex with keechie and jill who obviously revered him and were brainwashed by his "teachings". i also don't know how ben didn't know that it happened because he's always with klaus... it felt like it was only written for a "klaus is a perv" joke and to increase ben's pointless conflict with klaus
Their powers are tied to their emotional state and personal growth.
Im sad that AJ died to quickly after being introduced. I liked him.
The reason that they kept “messing up the timeline” is because they don’t think that they are going back to 2019 so they are just living their life in the 60s
I feel like “Vanya” is playing Ellen Paige, instead of Ellen Paige playing the character Vanya.
Ok cool but lets talk about the Swedes, i loved them so freaking much! They didn't talk much but they were nice.
@@ostkaka8232 I don't know why but when I found out that their Swedish was so bad (and that so far the Swedish fans I've seen have been amused by it, not offended) it's just made me love them more.
“You Can judge me, it’s okay. I love women. “ is my new catchphrase
Klaus is my favorite, but I'm not mad that you rated his choices low. He did make bad choices. That's kinda the point of him, and why so many people love him. And he gets called out for making bad choices by Ben, Five, even himself.
everyone in the comments hating sissy for making the incredibly human decision to leave a goddamn note. it would've been so out of character to leave with absolutely no goodbyes. not the smartest thing, no, she knew they might be caught for it. sissy did nothing wrong!
I agree, it's a very human reaction. Sissy didn't want to leave Carl, as abusive as he was, without at least letting him know what she and Harlan were doing, so you can't blame her entirely for this.
“Oh my god, I hate time travel!” The relatability ran pretty deep, there.
I feel like Klaus lacked all the sweetness and surprising clarity he had in season 1. I don't think season 2 Klaus will be as many peoples favourite.
I like this season, but the two things that bothered me are how Allison, despite having a great arch only remembered she had a daughter late on the show and Diego's "love story". I don't buy it, there's very little developpment leading to them having feeling for each other. It felt like some scenes were missing to me.
the Allison story can be somewhat explained by the fact that she thought her daughter, as she knew her, was dead because of the apocalypse. and since she didn't find any of her siblings, there was no way of going back to 2019. so she moved on, it's been 2 years for her since the time jump, so take that into consideration.
@@Zaphkyel Maybe I missed it but I saw no mourning or scene showing she was at least missing her daughter or thinking about her until that very late point. This is weird considering her character in the 1st season.
I was thinking the same thing but to be fair Allison was there the second longest so I guess she just had to tell herself to move on
But Diego and Lila had so much chemistry tho. Plus the relationship did not move that fast as you say. They said that they loved each other but not in front of each other... Which is saaad. Plus Lila will have some competition in season 3 because the timeline changed...meaning that Eudora could still be alive. 0-0
I watch this show for the super powers im not saying i want the whole show to be just them kicking butt with their powers but id atleast like to see them using them more. Most of them only used them twice. In the first episode then again in the last episode.
I kinda like that it doesn’t use their superpowers a lot tbh. I feel like sometimes things rely on them too much and this show is about a hell of a lot more than just that
The whole point of the show was actually to show that their not superheroes but just people who happen to have powers who were forced to be heros though none of them wanted that.
Try a marvel film buddy
About the Luther's strength being an inconsistency, I might be wrong but isn't the first scene of him taking a missile to his back showcases his invulnerability more so than his super strength? In comics those things go hand in hand usually but lack of strength has nothing to do with his invulnerability.
Well he is definitely not invulnerable- the whole reason he was injected with ape-serum was that he got badly injured. So that's not one of his powers.
@@mollytovxx4181 but the vulnerability could have come from the ape-serum though
@@mollytovxx4181 or maybe, what injured him was worse them a missile
I feel he did lose powers with the ape thing. When he was a child he could lift a full grown man with one hand. He never shows that kind of strength again, though he has more resistance with his monkey body I guess. But we see his true powers when they where used by someone else and casually tossed him aside
That brain eating scene though
Yea, I couldn’t watch that.... I know it wasn’t really gorey but still..
I love pineapple trees and I was watching it with audio descriptions and i was so uncomfortable
I hated Luther in season 1, but I really liked and enjoyed his charcter this season especially the more the show moved on, I don't understand why people still hate him so much 💔
Opposite for me. Disliked him in season 1 but he grew on me a little bit. Now I well not hate him but really dislike him more and he un-grew on me.
Justin Min is too good looking and charming. Period. This mans is the human embodiment of a powerful ray of sunshine. Simply seeing him brightens my day.
Ben's decision to take advantage of Klaus' body. Complicated choice. Understandable that he was so overwhelmed w/ having a body again, understandable that he was in love with the girl and would never have any other opportunity to interact with her. Understandable that he wanted to make sure that Klaus' made it to the meet up as to 1) not be left behind and further screw up the timeline, and 2) not mess things up for his siblings. Not understandable that he continued to fight to stay in Klaus' body when he had arrived at the meeting spot, fighting so forcibly against Klaus' will that Klaus literally threw up in order to eject Ben from his body, because, yes, Ben probably just wanted to continue to experience the world again, but that is a very selfish reason to straight up violate another person, and go against their will, as if it's less important than his own/
I would like to state that i love Ben, and absolutely agree that he is very distracting indeed, and is, like, the best among the family, but also, this: bad decision. In my opinion.
6/10 for Diego, but Luther gets 2/10? Bro, I can't vibe with that
Same! I liked Luther’s character a LOT more this season (although I really didn’t like him in season 1) and Diego was starting to annoy me...
That’s way too harsh for Luther! He was so much better this season
To be fair, Diego isnt in love with his sister so /s
@@aislingdisley204 actually he fucking is lila
Rose ThePanda no his actual sister tho.
I think that young five lied about the calculations so he could get old five into 2019 with out worry.
Yeah that's my theory too. I think he told him to change some bullshit thing that isn't actually relevant.
I just think its weird when 2 people that gre up together and are basically sibling like each other. The same with iris and barry from the flash. Theyre basicaly siblings.
Yes I think it's pretty weird that this is a well-known taboo and thing that you shouldn't have in Media and then some writers just go ahead and do it anyway
The problem is that their whole arc in the comics is based around that. They _tried_ to tone it down for the show, and ended up ruining both characters. Allison is not super sane, and Luther takes the brunt of it. If you remove their fondness for each other, there is almost no character left. So much so that the writers didn't even try to make Luther fight his daddy issues, they just turned him into a manchild comedic relief, and they gave Allison another love interest because they couldn't think of anything else for her.
I think what makes it weird is that they actually call each other brother and sister, not “like” brother/sister but actually family
Unpopular opinion: Luther was amazing this season, and had some of the best scenes this season and he’s in my top 4 characters now.
"I love women" is a season 2 mood lmao
All of the actors are so charming and such great actors. 🥺🥺
I liked that Ellen Paige finally got a female partner, but Sissy really annoyed me for some reason.
I was emotionally invested in their relationship until she was DUMB ENOUGH TO LEAVE A NOTE. 🙃
I liked that Vanya got a girlfriend well, but Sissy and her only knew each other for a month, and Sissy didn’t really have anything memorable about her or her personality.
@@LadyJenevia leaving a note was a good thing. Her husband was a drunk but he didn't deserve his wife leaving with his kid without a letter
Nunnie Nope, he’s trash. She said earlier in the show that she would never be able to leave him and be herself (even though she wanted to) because his brother is a cop. She felt imprisoned. Then she finally gets the guts to leave because he was threatening her son and she was dumb enough to leave a note. 😆👋🏻
@@LadyJenevia see I don't know, yeah he's a drunk and he threaten to send his kid somewhere but it was because he thought it would help.
sissy was hiding money, sleeping with the babysitter and planned on running away with their kid.
I can understand Allison Hargreeves not wanting to use her power a lot because she has a strong moral center she knows that her using powers too much or for the wrong purpose could easily make herself a monster. Take the Purple Man, the same type of powers but the evilest villain ever.
Ugh, David Tennant was the only good thing in Jessica Jones. I was living for him as purple man.
Allison Hargreeves is the only somewhat well-adjusted character of this entire show except her thing with Luther like for real girl...stop it he's your brother.
Season 2 was extremely frustrating because every character put their own needs before what they had to do. Fives frustration was understandable through and through. Diego’s hero complex will never not be annoying.
I don't think it's that he adopted new kids (the parents of the children who he managed to successfully steal would have still been existent meaning it would be the same children) I think it's that he saw what a failure Umbrella Academy was and changed something, my personal theory on what he changed is that he showed them affection (see New Ben calling him "dad")
i think he changed the date he released the glowy things too.
@@blah7983 I don't think he could have, he travelled to Earth before that so the time difference would be wack, and Ben was aged properly there, also it doesn't really change when the lady he was with died :)
No, they're different kids, the cube is one of them. There's already a sparrow academy in the comics
I think he avoided choosing the kids he saw in the past, but Ben was dead and couldn’t be seen so he choose him.
@@hamstermain8327 I mean, he didn't chose those kids though, he went around and offered to parents cash and the parents decided to give him the children, and though your theory is fun it also misses that he doesn't know what country each of the kids come from, so he couldn't tell which places to avoid :)
This season was so much better then the first!! I went from hating Vanya to actually really enjoying her.
if i may, why did you hate Vanya in the first season? not trying to be rude, just curious!
Pumpkin Cake Not rude at all! I watched it with my sister and she just came off so annoying obviously when everything was revealed I felt sorta bad
Yes Exactly! Alyson has a daughter yet if you were new to the show and just started this season you wouldnt even know about her cuz she never mentioned her. Youd think oh i have a daughter in the future. Im not gonna step on any butterflies just so i can make sure nothing happens to her.
This!!!
@Quilo Sky there's a difference between not mentioning her and showing no signs of missing her. Even a lingering glance on a mother and child or hearing the name Claire and then turning knowing in your sensible brain she isn't there, but feeling pulled to look anyway. In fiction there are a lot of ways to indicate lingering feelings of missing someone without it being a blatent long drawn out conversation with another character or even a "verbal" mention.
@Quilo Sky I have mixed feelings about it. Overall, I adored this season. And I HATE when time travel shows ignore problems like racisim or homophobia and I thought both were handled well. That being said, I can agree when I found a plot point lacking and this was a bit of a lack and fail.
I hated that Lyla's (or Lila?) power ended up being just a mimicing power. I wish they came up with something different.
I thought it was actually really badass. Also really shows more why the Handler wanted her so bad.
I think the problem with it for me was the way they showcased it
Claus chokes every opportunity and that’s why I love him.
Love 5 and always will but love you more! Been following you for a while and so proud of your success!
"You can judge me. It's ok. I love women." Thanks for the quote of the year.
luthers obsession with the moon in the first season and diegos obsession with kennedy have the same energy
I'm personally just hoping that Ben being gone will finally kick Klaus into some tasty tasty character development. Without Ben being there to scold Klaus and always give him an outlet/audience for his thoughts, I imagine Klaus will be pretty fucked up. Though, I'm hoping it'll make him realize that he needs to be the one to fix up his life. I love Klaus with all my heart and I'd love to see him vow to not lose another person close to him!! His recovery could be a super super interesting character arc if handled well.
is anyone else curious what harlan is going to do since he still definitely has powers??