@@RepublicofODLUMNo, you can't compare the 2. This is inflation by 300-400%. That is not normal. Normal inflation is between 2-3% each year. That is when economy in a capitalist context, works best, as wages can increase with it. Then the enonomy is stable. What has happened over the last 6 years, is an economy that went through recession. Also crypto-mining has caused a huge price increase.
@@colaboytje No I'm aware price increases have gone beyond inflation, I'm just saying that's how things go. No point in reminiscing about the good ol' days... they're dead and buried
Gaming hardware is just getting too expensive, and it is becoming harder and harder as a gamer to justify spending the crazy amounts of money to get a few extra FPS and better lighting/shadows.
Hmmm... I agree when it comes down to the hardware, but the money you can save in the long run, on PC in particular, and the deals we are getting lately, make things much easier than when I was a kid. We are getting free games all the time on top of that too. I got all Resident Evil games, except for 4 Remake, for 30 bucks. That's kinda insane.
Nope I switched from pc to console way back and not going back. Some of us don’t game on a console due to the lower price. The experience is just different. I agree a high end pc is a better experience graphics wise :) Gaming on a console is more fun at least for me anyway
I still game on PC, but on a really outdated one + a Steam Deck. High End (as in comparable to a console) PC Gaming is way too expensive nowadays to actually be worth it. Back in the 360 days, paying like $100 more than the cost of a console would get you something that blew the console experience out of the water. Nowadays you can buy a whole graphics card that costs as much as a console and get a barely better experience.
@@tylerhill40 doesn’t matter as long as you have fun and enjoy it :) When I switched my pc was 3-4 times more powerful than the console and maybe 5 times more expensive lol, but still enjoyed it more :)
I know this a joke, but I feel it should be mentioned sony is a 100billion dollar company. concord is a 0.4 billion dollar drop in the bucket compared to the overall value of the company and PlayStation. I don't think Concords failure had any effect on the ps5 pro price
@@legendp2011 400 million? Why does every single time I hear about the price of making that game it keeps rising by 50-100 million. At release week it was 100, then it was 150, at the week of shutdown it got to 200 etc..
@@SurrealLeaf its a bit inflated due to the way accusations work. I was just stating the upper limit so someone wasnt like “well actually its 400 million”. Because even if it is 400 million that would not effect the price of a ps5 pro
@@legendp2011 Well, Sony is about 0.038 of the value of Microsoft right now, and I don't think either of them is cool with losing $400 million on a game.
Do you like any of the exclusives left on PS5? Other than Spider-Man 2. I'm just curious. I know Spider-Man 2 is playable on PC, but that's not the reason why I want to exclude it. I just assume a lot of people like the game.
Same here. When you come to the realization that everything is playable on PC, it's a no brainer. I left the PC space for a long time but coming back is like a breath of fresh air. Sold the PS5 and I'm full time PC now with a couple of things on Xbox I have physically to finish, but that's it.
@@joseijosei the only exclusive that really kept me on PlayStation was GoW and PSVR. GoW will end up on PC and PSVR2 has been a complete disappointment due to no first party support. I’m not a Spider-Man fan at all and I’m not bashing the game either. I’m sure it’s a good game for those that like Spider-Man. I just don’t like the Spider-Man story or character at all. Been that way since I was a kid. As for the rest of the exclusives they don’t seem to be leaning into their properties like Uncharted. Instead they’re just remake/remaster old games for a quick buck. This is unique to Sony now. I’m not including Nintendo because they march to the beat of their own drum. Microsoft has decided all Microsoft properties will be going to PC and some to PlayStation. Consoles long term are really becoming irrelevant for those that have some technical ability.
@@BruceRichwineJr Yeah, consoles are starting to need a change. Maybe they could go on the direction of handheld PCs, so they can still work like consoles but compete with the quality of the product instead of exclusives, and not force us to pay for online access, or put us in an ecosystem with really high pricing on games. If Sony and Microsoft don't do something like that, someone else will.
I'm not gaming on a PC anymore. Sure a PC has better graphics but just way too much hassle. Way way too much hassles. Not worth for me any more. I only game on a console now. Yes 30 fps sucks but I rather choose it rather than the constant hassles. I think the gaming on a window based PC will further decline. Perhaps, some PC crowds will move to a Mac eventually. Personally I found no hassle in a Mac for the comparison.
A $800 console isn’t making the average consumer go out and try to build a $1200-1500 pc just to get even close to what the pro can do. Also less wiring, and a lot of people are already sitting at desk for 40 hours a week, they don’t want to go home and do the same thing lol
1200$ pc can run games with 120fps, ps5 pro will not even run all games with 60. Also you need to pay for online, and games are ridiculously more expensive on ps shop, PC for 1200$ will end up being cheaper in the long run. >and a lot of people are already sitting at desk for 40 hours a week, they don’t want to go home and do the same thing lol TV, and monitors use the same technologies, for years now you can plug pc to TV, and console to a monitor if you want. I have monitor + TV setup to get best of both.
@@mikeloan Ps5pro has cpu that is equivalent to 3600, one that you can buy from China for like 50$, it will not run allot of games even in 360p 120fps. For PC you can get 7600 with 7800XT google reviews on 7800XT.
@@mikeloan My guy... Ryzen 5500 $79 (similar to a 3600, but cheaper. 10% better than what you find on the Pro) MSI B450M Pro $79.80 Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99 TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99 RX 6800 $329.99 (you can use an RX 7700 XT if this one is more expensive) CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99 Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99 Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want. You're below that, but I'm going to pretend you're at that level with a Pro. That's what you're getting. A $710 PC for $700, but without free cloud saves or online mode, so you have to pay an extra $560 for 7 years of PS Plus, and you lose many thousands in that time because of the prices of the game. Also, you don't have access to Frame Generation. You have PSSR, which is similar to XeSS, but you don't get to take advantadge of your hardware on every game like on PC. You're going to still playing Batman Arkham Knight at 30 fps and a low resolution. You also don't have access to over 98% of the games, which kinda hurts tbh. I wouldn't like to not be able to play GTA IV with all the GTA VI talk. But yeah, you're truly not getting a getting deal. Your parts aren't even dedicated, so your VRAM isn't actually like 16. It's way lower, because you don't have RAM + VRAM, you have shared memory, and on top of that, the parts have terrible cooling so it's noisy and has high temperatures while playing. At least the base PS5 has a $100 advantadge over a PC in terms of the hardware you get on front, but the deal for the Pro is just... horrible. How are you guys defending this?
The price is definitely on the higher end, but the biggest issue for me is the removal of core features from their flagship (Pro) product that exist in the base version. The fact that it does not have a built-in disc drive to allow me to play Blu-Ray discs or physical games is an insidious calculation by Sony to try and urge forward the death of physical media. Yeah, yeah - I know. You can buy the drive separately. But not only is this an aesthetically poor option for the most dedicated owners, but Sony knows full well that sales for that will not be 1:1, which dis-incentivizes developers from targeting it, releasing physical discs going forward, etc. I hope Sony is punished in the market for this decision.
Trust me bro nobody will be punishing Sony for this, as the people have already voted with their wallets the last 10 odd years in favour of digital not physical, it's what most of us want. Why do you think a digital edition PS5 launch model existed? Should've been a sign of the times to people like you. Be happy Sony still accommodate disc drives with an optional modular attachment.
@@craigsampson3386 passionate gamers know all too well that in a few years, the closure of stores from legacy consoles means the death of their collections should they encounter any kind of hardware failure. The same people that would otherwise be purchasing the PS5 Pro are the same ones that want to retain ownership of their purchases. We've already seen how many e-shop closures in the past few years from every one of the Big 3 - Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. Meanwhile, purchases from Steam 20 years ago are still readily available to be re-downloaded and played locally at a moment's notice. I don't trust these closed platforms when it comes to digital preservation. Physical is one way to continue to hold the line. So, sorry - I'm not with you on this.
80% of all sales are digital. They remove it to drive price down to try and be more appealing. They offer those who still want physical an option to do it should they want it. You would have them install the disk drive to drive the price even higher only to appease maybe 20% of people who still buy physical, and not even that full 20% would buy the pro still. So you’d punish 80% of the potential consumers to appease the 20%? How does that make business sense to you? You still have the option of physical if you want it while not forcing the majority of those who don’t to pay for something they don’t want or wouldn’t use.
I switched to PC about a year ago and I'm happy with the decision. No more quality vs performance decisions. And PC is so much more at gaming than console (community mods etc)
As a console player you fortunately do not have to bother with this. It’s plug and play. You buy it once and have nothing but enjoyment for a whole generation while PC gamers upgrade their system every 2 years and waste a lot of money and time doing software troubleshooting with GPU drivers and windows.
@@arianoooamari6949 thing is on a console you play like on a lowest end PC. While PC can indeed be upgraded to have better quality and performance in games, and even fine-tuned as you want it. And it's easy. Just buy a reasonably powerful PC and put everything on high.
@@arianoooamari6949 "PC gamers upgrade their system every 2 years and waste a lot of money and time doing software troubleshooting with GPU drivers and windows." We do? News to me.
@@arianoooamari6949That's just something people like to say, but it's not true at all. Like... why would you upgrade your system every 2 years? You have no reasons to do that. Just imagine being in our place. Wouldn't that be annoying? For me, it does sound annoying, so why would you think we do that?
I bought an Atom man GT P7 which is a mini PC with a dedicated GPU and put BazziteOS on it (basically steam OS) and can use that for a very flexible couch gaming PC. It's expensive but a great experience and I can work on it too
The answer is no, gaming pc’s that match or exceed its capabilities are easily double that $700 price tag unfortunately despite what the copium huffers are saying in other videos’ comment sections.
Many people forget or are not aware of how expensive even the CPU or GPU alone can be on a PC; especially if they mainly intend on gaming with said PC. In that regard, the $700 MSRP of the PS5 Pro is not _that_ expensive, but it still is an investment like pretty much all consumer electronics these days. Also even if you add on the cost of a disc drive and NMVe for the PS5 Pro, but divide that up by roughly 10 years (give or take), it's not much. My point about the dividing by x number of years is assuming that you'll be gaming on the PS5 Pro for 10 years (give or take). I think many people are just freaking out about the $700 price tag because others are freaking out and/or they see the price difference between the PS5 Pro and PS5 Slim. Another thing people seem to forget about is how smartphones (for example) often are priced at over $1000 and some people actually buy a new one every year whereas others upgrade to the latest model after using it for about 3 or so years. Isn't it weird how people are not making a big fuss about that aspect? Realistically I would not be surprised if many people are making a fuss about the PS5 Pro specifically because it's what is popular to get angry about and complain. Next they're going to complain about how difficult it is to buy one later.
PS5 Pro aside, people ARE making a big fuss about smartphone prices. If you don’t see people doing it, you’re not hanging out with the right people. This is why people have started to hold on to their smartphone for even FIVE years now. It’s always fair to complain about pricing, because money don’t grow on trees. Let people complain, a price-conscious consumer-base helps to keep pricing under control.
Tech people appreciating a tech jump in the console space. How shocking. Cue the PC fanboys tinkering with .cfg files to get their games to work properly and paying $2000 for a clusterfuck of an ecosystem and experience.
No. This is a niche device that will not take anything away from the original ps5. If you're annoyed at the price of a ps5 pro, why would you move to a more expensive pc? If you've wanted a ps5 and can't afford the Pro, why wouldn't you just get a ps5?
PC offers a lot more than consoles. So, if console prices are too high, of course people are going to move over to PC. Why not? You're paying a bit more, but you're getting more. Plus, online play is free.
@@G360LIVE you're ignoring the fact that the OG ps5 still exists. If you can't / don't want to buy the Pro, the OG is still there. PC doesn't come into the equation.
And why would you move to PC when you have a huge backlog catalog on your Ps5 which you cannot access on Pc. It doesn’t make any sense. And those who considered to get a Ps5 can also still get one, they don’t have to buy the expensive pro model they can just buy the regular Ps5. I don’t get this conversation tbh.
@@G360LIVE PC gaming offers more in certain ways. I don't want to be stuck at a monitor, I play games on the big TV in my living room. Pc gaming is not attractive to me at all.
This generation drove me to PC gaming, but not because of the price. It was mostly the “there’s no way we can make this game 60 fps on consoles because it’s just such a complex game. Also it was an artistic choice.” And then 6 months later: “haha jk here’s a 60 fps patch”
PC is a completely different kind of monster for games. I don’t think people decide only on the price. Driver problems and updates, latency problems, windows problems etc. many people want simple gaming experience that’s why consoles are so popular.
Seriously, pc gaming is not as hassle or complicated as many people make it out to be. You just have to exert a little more effort on that platform. Basically, stop being lazy. Even some busiest people out there still play on PC.
Absolutely agree. I went from Pc gaming to console because of the problems you explained and I will never go back. Consoles are pure joy and save a lot of money and time.
@@goldensperm7182Pc gaming will never be that easy as consoles. Unbox, plug in, turn on, maybe do some updates which the consoles does totally automatically, insert the game and play. By the time console gamers start playing you haven’t even reached the log in screen of your windows installation yet.
@@goldensperm7182 opening a game in steam is just as opening it on consoles. ( with big picture mode it's almost identical in even the user interface). Nvidia driver updates are automatic ( as simple as software updates on playstation / any console ). Nvidia app / GeForce experience also now automatically defaults you to optimised settings. Even if you can't do it , just look up df optimised settings and input them in game. I still don't understand why people brand pc as some sort of complicated rocket science. Seems like they think it's the 1990s or 2000s pc gaming.
@@chalpua8802 Why?? Its only like $400 or so more for high end experience on pc compared to console. Do you like being stuck in 30/60 fps? 120 plus is eyegasm status peasant.
@@tylerhill40 Some people are just like that. I have a 7900x and a 4080 so now I don’t care about consoles lol. But not everyone wants a a PC nor cares to spend that much. They want to spend $500 and game occasionally.
@@chalpua8802 Console gamers aren't going to have a choice in the matter. Consoles are dead technology that Sony and Microsoft will be force to leave behind. Nobody is going to pay this amount of money for the sake of not owning their hardware. There isn't going to be enough console gamers to save the market. It's all going to PC.
Agreed. This is a bunch of keyboard jockeys pretending they know what they are talking about. Doesn't really matter. Sony spends an ungodly amount of money to ensure they make exactly the right moves necessary to advance their product in the market place. They seem to know what they are doing. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I know that there is 3 people at my workplace that are going to pre-order the PS5 Pro. We are not wealthy, but gamers love their games, and we recognize that we want the best games on the best gaming console, for far cheaper than what it costs for an iPhone Pro Max upgrade or a GeForce RTX 4090 upgrade. (PC gamers get Sony games later in many circumstances.)
@gmanthatguy3937 ya, I looked up. How much a gaming P.C. is, and it's like over double my series x. Maybe there's a way to pick out parts to make it closer. But I don't see the logic there.
@@cmdrdredd - It can't sell out. It is a pre-order, not a limited edition. Pre-orders are theoretical. There are none that exist. They still have to make them.
Microsoft has this right. Go to ARM/RISC and reduce the amount of transistors needed and die space as well & use the transistors at 3mn to punch above their weight and make a console & hybrid mobile device. The only cheaper you can get is if you went with RISC-V Open source and this way you don't need to pay a license and you can then go completely digital and add in the disc drive later via USB. Otherwise there isn't much they can do at this point. Less transistors means less power is needed and thus less heat and less heat means less money is needed to cool the system and if it's a digital system out of the gate it makes it even cheaper. So, to be honest this is about as much as they can do to save on cost. This is what I would do and come out with a next generation powerful system at a much lower price point so you can just break even on hardware out of the gate.
I'm keeping my base ps5 for exclusive games but passing on the pro, instead I'm looking to upgrade my rtx2070super to a rtx4070super, my CPU is a 3700x so I'm still good as far as that goes. $700 is too much at that price point you best off just upgrading your gaming pc if you already have one and it's just the GPU holding you back.
I was on a fence on buying ps5 pro and i already have ps5,i sad no to pro and bought 2600 euros high end pc which is able to run all the games on 1440 p high frame rate
@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd they started with 2 consoles. Series S successors of one s ( Latter was the beginning of gen ) and series X is successors of one X ( and that was mod gen refresh) Actually, both have first and mid gen just the launch times differently. Their strategies differentiate
I think to some degree it will cause competition, not for everyone, some people just want to play on a console because its easiler and more approachable, but there will be people that switch, people have already switched this gen and this will cause more people to switch.
I'm a PS5 player that also is a PC and switch gamer. I dont think the ps5 pro is an option for me, ill wait for the ps6 like I waited for the 5. I can still use my PC. Good point on the couch gaming. I work on my PC all day, I wanna play on my couch sometimes
@@vampiszon6620Not everyone wants to run a 40 foot hdmi cord to a TV and deal with turning on the computer, waiting for windows and steam to boot up every time for a quick 15-20 min gaming session. Plus what I like about consoles is I just know the games will work at a stable frame rate since they’re optimized for the specific hardware.
I have both, but prefer the convenience and speed, easy of use of the console so still prefer to play many games on my PS5. Exceptions are simulators, strategy and building games, but I do find I’m on my PS5 more than PC. However with the PS5 Pro price, I’m more likely to update my GPU on the computer as no console should be priced that high.
Not me. I do wish it was a little cheaper, but overall I am excited for the PS5 Pro. I've built multiple high-end gaming PCs throughout my life and while I agree that they are more powerful and give more options, at the end of the day I just vastly prefer home consoles/handhelds for how much more streamlined, convenient, consistent, user-friendly, and portable they are.
@@tylerhill40 That's what I meant: Ryzen 5500 $79 MSI B450M Pro $79.80 Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99 TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99 RX 6800 $329.99 CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99 Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99 Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want. Those are $708.75. The PS5 Pro saves you around $10, and it would be behind this build, not only because the CPU is 10% worse in performance, but because it lacks features you can use on PC and you can't take advantadge of the hardware you get with Pro in a lot of games. Is the Pro cheaper than a high-end PC? Yes, but it's not a high-end PC. It's barely above entry-level, while the base PS5 is worse than entry level.
@@tylerhill40 Okay, it seems like TH-cam deleted my comment, but I was talking about a build that is less than $10 more expensive than the pro. I'll name the parts without the prices because you know the page you should use. Ryzen 5500. MSI B450M Pro. Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs CL16. TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second. RX 6800 (use 7700 XT is it's cheaper). CM MasterBox Q300. Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold. Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want.
@@tylerhill40 Yeah, now it wasn't deleted. When I used the prices, it got deleted. But yeah, on top of that price, which at the very least will be similar to the Pro, you have tools to have a much better experience. XeSS, Frame Generation (see both in God Of War Ragnarok to see the difference), and you can actually take advantadge of your upgrade on a lot more games. You also get access to a lot more games, because over 98% of games aren't on PS5. You can go and play GTA IV, better than ever, if you want. Same with any title, like Batman: Arkham Knight. Then you have mods. You don't pay for online access or cloud saves, so you save $560 in 7 years. Games are much cheaper, and we get bundles, so on avarage, if we are a bit active, we save around $10 a week, which adds up to $3640 in 7 years. It's a lot of money. Honestly, the Pro at $700 is a deal breaker, because it shows Sony isn't even willing to take the "hit" for us on front, when they could be making a lot more money in the long run. They're not giving you dedicated parts, btw, so the limitations are huge, temperatures are higher, and it's more noisy. You don't 16 gigs of VRAM for games from your GPU. You get memory that's being shared, so you don't have dedicated RAM either. At least the base PS5 gives you around $150 of front hardware value. The Pro is just terrible.
If i didnt already own a ps5 I would probably get it but i own a last of 1200 series ps5 which is the best and likely the most reliable so i will be sticking to it for many more years yet, probably well past the ps6 release
I only spent $800 on a ps4 and a ps5 to game for the past 10 years and probably for the next 4 more years. That is still less spent on console hardware vs the pc I built 5 years ago for around 1K. I honestly am fine using a mid tier pc now just to play pc exclusives (league, wow, enshrouded, etc.) because "pc exclusive" games don't really push graphics to the limit. Its the console games like God of war, Horizon that really try and create beautiful graphics.
I'm going to PC simply because consoles don't have the games I want to play. We used to have a good variety of genres, but now it is not as diverse. I'm into games like Ready or Not, Rising Storm 2: Vietnam and the like. Plus I will have the chance to play older games that I love with higher graphics, higher frame rates, as well as higher resolutions. For example, I love Rainbow Six: Vegas. And when I play on PC, it will be a far better experience than I experienced on PS3 and Xbox 360. I should of went to PC when the PS4 came out
I just did after announcement,builded with some extra money 4080 super/ryzen 7800x3d,and realized i will never look back lol im fed with all the bs expensive games,limitations,having to pay for online and the feeling that there arent any games to play etc.
@@Jean_Christhian i got the base ps5 i can play gta6 on that it will still run on ps5 pro still on 30 fps.😂 I got the 4080super with 850$ Gl finding 5080 from scalpers at any close price,with nvidia not having any competition im really curious what price those will be smart guy😂😂😂 And what about performance did you owned one that you know that well,im playing on 4k native most games around 100fps with dlss over 150,what you want even more than that?compared to fucking upscaled 4k 60(still not guaranteed on al games) on fkin console.
@@jermseventy8341 He just doesnt have any points to defend the console anymore so they come up with gta6 lol,i can play that shit on base ps5,it will still run 30 fps on ps5 pro anyway😂
@@Jean_Christhian Well thats marketing sony and microsoft paying extra$ for exclusivity on release,also the pc ports are more time consuming to make rather than console ports,give me a single reason why i should buy the ps5 pro if gta6 will still run on 30fps(that will be 100%sure because of the cpu limitations).
@@Jean_Christhian you are paying way more in time with overpriced games on ps store,and ps plus subscription dont worry. Im coming from there dude i still have the base ps5 im just tired of sony and theyre shady practices.just try to build a decent pc and you will see that the price difference is worth from the freedom you have on pc.
This idea that consoles and PC are somehow in competition with each other is the new landscape for fanboys. In the general public these are two different and distinct types of gamers. The hardcore PC gamer is never going to trade the option of high end PC gaming for console and the hardcore console gamer is never going to give up day 1 access to games and games optimized for thier hardware to play around with settings and part shop for the cheapest price on hardware. So why does the PS5 pro exist....for the same reason the 4090 exist.....to cater to those people who are never going to convert but want the best experience in thier preferred platform. The only reason this is a talking point is because fanboys need ammo for platform war and a 700.00 pricetag on a console is alot of ammo.....the problem with that ammo is that the more PC gamers try to use it....the more they make a case against buying a PC, because how do you argue 700.00 is too much to spend on a dedicated gaming machine, but a person should spend twice or 3 times that amount to buy a high end PC which will be better than the 700.00 console. Its the worst case of fanboys arguing against thier own self interest ever, but as long as fanboys exist these types of conversations will continue.
No, they're not. The vast majority of people who used to play on consoles are now on PC. PC gaming grew a lot while people aren't buying consoles as much anymore. You now have 1.86 billion PC gamers vs. around 100 million people on current gen hardware. Okay, I'll explain to you why the Pro is a bad deal, okay? You get a console that has a CPU that performs 10% worse than what I'm going to list, without dedicated parts, and shared memory (you don't actually have 16 gigs of VRAM because you don't have dedicated VRAM or RAM. You don't have straight up RAM). The cooling is worst, the temperatures are higher, and the performance is behind, but still pretty similar, to this: Ryzen 5500 $79 MSI B450M Pro $79.80 Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99 TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99 RX 6800 $329.99 (you can use an RX 7700 XT if you want, or if you can't find any 6800) CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99 Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99 Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want. That's $708.75, so you're getting a $8.75 "on front hardware value", kinda (not really for the reasons I listed), when the base PS5 gives you around $100 or $120, but then you have to pay for online access or cloud saves, which in 7 years costs $560, and you have more expensive games. You can't take advantadge of your hardware in the vast majority of games, unlike on the PC. You don't have access to over 98% of the games you can play on PC. That is the problem with the Pro. They're even taking the loss for you to get you into their ecosystem, when they should want you there, because then they start to milk you, basically, so that's why it's a slap in the face. It should cost $599 at the most.
@@joseijosei First I wanna congratulate you on the fact that you are at least a bit smarter than the idiots posting 700.00 PC builds without RAM or cases to try get the price down. But a smarter fanboy is still a fanboy so I gotta call out your bull 💩 too.... let's start with your 700.00 PC build. 1) base PS5 CPU is an 8 core 16 thread CPU so you post a 6 core 12 thread CPU to keep price down ....I mean it's not like multicore processing is a thing for gaming. Oh wait it is.....🤷♂️🤔 2) the 6800 is a beast.... and if it was pre-February 2019 I would want your build or if we were looking for general 1440p, no RT, mix of low, medium and high settings with shaky 60fps with FSR2.0....oh wait isn't that what the base PS5 does already? To make my point....let's look at benchmarks of one of the games that was shown in the PS5 pro reveal, Alan Wake 2. On your 6800 build you'll get 1440p output resolution, FSR2.0, no RT and if you go with all low settings (which will not match the settings of base PS5) your gonna get roughly 70ish FPS.....but if you go with high settings you are gonna end up with sub 60fps performance....if you go mix of low medium and high settings you will get a roughly 60fps experience but at times you will have massive frame spikes into the 40's. Which if you've been paying attention is a near like for like experience with the base PS5. Now the reason I cited February 2019 is because that's when we saw DLSS implemented in large form to PC games....and in addition to having vastly superior image quality to FSR2.0 in every conceivable metric, DLSS also produces a savings on rendering which translates into performance gains. And what does the PS5 pro share in common with DLSS that your 6800 doesn't have? That's right..... the thing you conviently left out of your description of your 700.00 PC and a big reason why the PS5 pro exist in the first place....PSSR hardware based AI upscaling. You know why people prefer NVIDIA GPU's over AMD GPU's, because NVIDIA has AI upscaling and AMD does not. In fact take the same game, same settings on a 3070 (which as far as paper stats go is slightly weaker than the 6800) and the 3070 is gonna outperform the 6800, why.... hardware AI upscaling which FSR2.0 cannot contend with for image quality and performance gains. 3) nitpicking time just cause it's fun to mess with you people... why does your 700.00 PC not come with WiFi 7 but the 700.00 console does? Also, PS5 pro comes with a dualsense controller and unless you plan on playing your 700.00 build with hopes and dreams you forgot a piece...and since budget keyboard and mouse combos can be brought from Target for like 20 bucks...I guess you'll throw that in as well cause you have been pushing for low quality hardware with this whole build (except for the 6800 it the only really decent part you included) I shouldn't worry about DPI or mouse acceleration or anything like that....your goal is to prove you can build a 700.00 PC and sometimes you gotta cut corners. Speaking of cutting corners....PS+ is not needed for online games...its needed for some online games, but certainly not all, so at best it's a nice to have but not needed especially if you play alot of singleplayer games and the top multiplayer games. Now to address your platform warrior spirit that made you post this comment...first I just love how you combined all the workstations and school computers into the title "gaming PC," because I sincerely doubt that a very large portion of that 1.86 billion number you quoted can run modern games well enough to even be considered a gaming device. Hell Steam is the largest distributor of PC games with a user base of 1.39 million according to Steam reports and more than 75% of thier users are on hardware weaker than a 3060 which is about on par with a base PS5. So to be fair, it makes the hardcore dedicated gaming PC community a little less than 25% maybe. Which if we are being honest here...PS4 pro sold to about 20% of the PS community and PS5 pro is likely gonna be less than that because.....well sticker shock. So yeah... fanboys be the smallest segment of gamers talking like they are the majority. Lastly I do want to create a caveat to allow for fanboy migration between platforms, because there are certainly some fanboys who will leave one platform for another, I should know.....I used to game on PC but I didn't want to keep up with the hardware rat race and I don't really have time to bargin shop like that for PC parts and rather than pay significantly more for a prebuilt PC, I chose to get a PS5 because in truth.....the base PS5 is good enough for most people...but if you want a better PS5 then the pro makes sense. It's choice but not too much choice. As far as the price is concerned, modern hardware to play games is expensive, and you PC weirdos do people a disservice trying to get them into the PC space with outdated hardware that they will most certainly have to upgrade in a year or two as games get more demanding. Ya'll would do better recommending the higher end 2000.00-3000.00 hardware that will be in the upper echelon and drop down to middle of the pack than recommending these 700.00 budget builds because at the mid tier to low end a console is gonna always come out better on Price to performance, and no amount of dishonest downplaying or 🧢 against the console will change that fact.
@@corey_massey You talk a lot without knowing anything. You use the word "fact", and some wrote en essay lying and being wrong all the time. What matters is the performance. What's the point of having more cores and threads if it performs 10% than a Ryzen 5500? I mean, sure, the i9 10900k has 10 cores, almost double what the i5 12600k has (this one has 6. The other 4 PCores aren't used in gaming), but it doesn't outperform it. This should be obvious for anyone. Do you know or remember what an FX 8350 was? Cores and threads don't matter. What matter is the performance. Why do you care if "NVIDIA has AI upscaling and AMD does not", when AMD has access to XeSS? Which is looking better than PSSR, according to the issues we saw on the presentation. Also: no, the 6800 isn't running Alan Wake 2 worse than the Pro. That console is running that game at 864p on the presentation. Oh, and the 6800 not only gets XeSS. It gets Frame Generation too, and you can take advantadge of that GPU on any game you want, so in practice your experience will be MUCH better than on the Pro. You can go for a 7700 XT if you really need better rt performance on top of better FG, because it's around the same price, but we are talking about getting double the framerate on games now. Bro... it costs like $15 to add 5Ghz Wi-Fi there. You aren't going to get over the $3640 more you spend on avarage in $7 years gaming on consoles because of game pricing, or the $560 for PS Plus. What do you mean it's not needed for online games? It is. "For some", you say, knowing very well that you only don't need them for F2P titles. You don't even have cloud saves without it. A mouse and keyboard cost like $10. Just... stop it. You're not looking good here. I'm talking about gamers, meaning people who game on PC. If I was counting any computer, close to half the world population would own one. Steam is the largest distributor, not the only place you have to play games. League of Legends alone has more monthly active players than the numbers of PS5 and Series S|X owners numbers combined, and it's not on Steam. Do you see Minecraft, Roblox or Fortnite on Steam? Escape From Tarkov is not on Steam. Same with WoW, there's a popular store called Epic. Valorant isn't on Steam either. Do you see Genshin, ZZZ, Honkai Star Rail, Wuthering Waves, or any of those there too? Steam is not PC gaming. There are way more people with PCs that outperform consoles than current gen consoles owners too. Why do you think that the peak player count for Black Myth: Wukong was 3.0 million, and 2.4 million from those where on Steam alone, when the game is on Steam, Epic, WeGame and PS5? Here is your answer: a lot of people own good PCs. "I used to game on PC but I didn't want to keep up with the hardware rat race"... Then... don't, and stop lying about hardware upgrade. You don't need them every 2 years, because as long as your PC is as good as a console, you're good for the entire generation (it could even be a bit worse and still run games).
@@Gilbert020 yeah but I don’t really care about graphic you know? Or performance, as long as my game hits 60 fps I’m fine.. also the 4090 is a monster but games are not optimized for pc sadly…
No they wont ... because PC is still a pain with only a controller on a 65 inch TV. That might also be the reason PS5 Pro selling very well. If you want the "best and easiest package for a TV" ... PS5 Pro is the way to go. I'll stick with Series X for a few months longer because there are simply some games coming out on Ubi+ or Game Pass ... two options Sony can't provide. And we'll see ... maybe XBox has leaked some more information about their XBox OS for PCs. A OS that plays and let you install digital XBox games, as well as Game Pass ... or even let's you play Steam game or shift between big picture mode and back ... would be a bummer.
For me yes. Only two games on PS5 that are currently exclusive and I thought were great. Demon Souls and Spiderman 2. Baldurs Gate and Dying Light 2 run better on my 2050 laptop.
I have a mid end pc and a ps5, I only play exclusives on the ps5 and the exclusives are also coming to pc, if you're trying to choose between a ps5 and a pc u should go with pc, you save money in the long run because games are cheaper in pc and you don't need to pay for a sub to play online.
PS5 PRO DISC DRIVE VERTICAL STAND PS PLUS 2ND CONTROLLER WITH NO GAMES = $1,000. FOR A FEW HUNDRED MORE YOU COULD GET A PC THAT DOES WAY MORE THAN A CONSOLE
So building a pc will include games? there's hella stuff u need to add for a pc price I get u why u are adding everything to make it seem it's as expensive as a pc lol
My games are worth more than both combined. You can't expect me to leave my huge library of f games for a pc that costs more and is full of hackers. No tx.
Do me a favor and give me a break down on what I can only assume is your own hand built PC. I want all the parts listed. I’ll be eagerly waiting to hear back.
Well, once I saw the price I nabbed a mediocre gaming laptop for $750. I7 13th, 4060, 32GB. Reasonably comparable performance and now I have access to a wider library. My old PS5 will be fine.
I dunno man I am a pc gamer and I usually do a full build every 3 years with the top end CPU GPU available currently i am running the RX7900xtx with the 7800x3D plus everything else and an oled monitor I spent 4K on this build. If I went with the 4090 that would’ve been 5K 😅 so yeah I think 800-900 for a ps5 pro might not be the worst deal if you wanna deal with overpriced games, Paying for Online, Relying on developers to give you some sort of graphical choice or anything over 60 fps running at max settings is almost a myth, no support for ultra wide displays, no real choice of accessories outside of a few Sony approved once. I dunno it sounds like a bad deal for me personally. If they add display port and ultra wide support I might consider one cause I do have a nice library of games there that simply cannot bring myself to play when I compare it to my pc and the entertainment I get out of it.
@@AmigoAmigo-w5pfortunately Nvidia has competition in the mid to low range so the prices should be competitive unless AMD decides to pump those profits up 😭
even if one cannot build the pc for the same price, the subscription fees will eat away at the difference. moreover, no one on console will stop paying for subscription fees after 6 years, so one would be expected to be paying it for many console generations, and this will far surpass the cost of a pc alone.
i feel sorry for anyone who spent $500 on the ps5 only to then be expected to drop another $800 on the pro. wake up my console brothers, youre already paying pc prices just without any of the benefits
i was going to console with the ps5 pro because i wanted to just plug and play. i actually made time to watch the live unravell, i was very excited. once i saw the price, i bought a ryzen 5 5600 and an rtx 4070 super to upgrade my old am4 based pc.
It's not just hardware prices, ffxvi is 80 euros on PS store but only 50 on steam (40 on greenmangamimg) that's half the price. Wukong, similar story, 70 on PS store but only 60 on steam (49 on greenmangamimg) and the list goes on. Also you don't need a subscription for online play. At 430 for the base ps5 it's reasonable but at 800 euros for the pro you can build an equivalent PC or much better for a bit more and you make up for it in a few games worth because of PC sales. Also epic store gives free games on a weekly basis and some of them are better than PSN free titles and you don't have to worry about PS4 vs ps5 native support and if they will run at 60 fps or not...
The problem with the Pro vs PC is the fact you're typically paying more for game's ,accessories and subscriptions ontop of expensive hardware where PC it's generally just hardware it's costing you more This isn't Sony selling the console at a loss to make-up the shortfall with software/services like prior models.
In ps3 era. 200 on a graphics card with 8gb system memory and 1 gb of gpu memory could out power any home console. Build who system for less than 800 but skimp where you can skimp. Build it yourself and skimpt on a cooler case reuse an old case. Don't add as much soace or extras.
After watching PC parts skyrocketing, especially video cards and now ssd's doubling in price. I'll just stick to my 100+ games that's sitting in Steam library that I haven't even touched yet. Then there's my Origin, Ubisoft and Epic libraries too!
Tech people appreciating a tech jump in the console space. How shocking. Cue the PC fanboys tinkering with .cfg files to get their games to work properly and paying $2000 for a clusterfuck of an ecosystem and experience.
@@chalpua8802 this is not the case You overexagerating Base PS5 has a 1080/1440p/4K 60 FPS mode on 99 % of games Even some games have native 4K at 60FPS like Gran Turismo
Everyone with sense are just going PC😂. And the argument about gpu prices. I have had mine for 5 years and not had to upgrade one dam thing. Ps5 £700, price is ridiculous, oh and diskless wtf. Less for more money😂
For me nope, since I game on both PC (self built) and consoles anyways. I also collect every version of PlayStation released and it never broke on me once.
The PS5Pro is expensive compared to the PS4Pro but not when compared to modern PC hardware. You cannot build a PC as fast as a the PS5Pro for the same money and the PlayStation ecosystem is much much more simple to use which attracts a lot of gamers. And "gamers" is a different group to "PC people". Most "gamers" do not like messing with hardware, or Windows, or even game settings.
No, I'm already Dicking around too much with HDR settings, audio settings for armos, performance and graphics settings. I'll never play the game if I used a PC. I just want to set it up once and go.
I'm going the other way. PS5 Pro moving closer to PC gaming, but still having the option of physical media has me moving back to console. I love my PC and my 4090, but I do love physical media, and the PlayStation ecosystem.
You do know you can buy a blu ray drive for a PC right? Consoles are moving away from physical media so you're a bit late going back to console. All signs point to the PS6 having no disc drive.
i completely shat on this console generation on bought a steam deck instead, best decision i've made in a long time. love to play all the classics on the go and even more recent games often run amazingly well on the little deck.
@@barulicksama3838 obviously these don't work well since they are too demanding, but for that i have my rig with a rtx 4060ti and r7 5700X which plays them just fine @1080p. i'm not saying the steam deck is as powerful as a ps5 or replaces a console, it's obviously not and it doesn't, but it lets me play elden ring @med-high with a locked 30fps and thanks to valve's great shader compilation technique, i have not experienced a single hard drop. i'm just having such a blast with this device that i barely touch my pc anymore and i higly doubt i would've experienced this kind of joy with a current gen console. there's absolutely not a single exclusive that draws to the ps5, ps4 era had so many brilliant exclusives (which tbf most of them have been released on pc by this time) and i felt like my ps4 was absolutely worth it, even didn't mind upgrading to the ps4 pro. ps5 is just meh, xbox has become a joke thanks to phil spencer and now this absolute scam of a ps5 pro with the missing disc drive (and even the cheapo stand lol) and the same zen-2 cpu that barely can handle 4k60 in more demanding titles, yeah, nope thanks. sony is ripping you off big time and at the same time they're trying to kill physical media, if you want to support that, then go for it, i certainly won't.
@barulicksama3838 obviously these don't work well since they are too demanding, but for that i have my rig with a rtx 4060ti and r7 5700X which plays them just fine @1080p. i'm not saying the steam deck is as powerful as a ps5 or replaces a console, it's obviously not and it doesn't, but it lets me play elden ring @med-high with a locked 30fps and thanks to valve's great shader compilation technique, i have not experienced a single hard drop. i'm just having such a blast with this device that i barely touch my pc anymore and i higly doubt i would've experienced this kind of joy with a current gen console. there's absolutely not a single exclusive that draws to the ps5, ps4 era had so many brilliant exclusives (which tbf most of them have been released on pc by this time) and i felt like my ps4 was absolutely worth it, even didn't mind upgrading to the ps4 pro. ps5 is just meh, xbox has become a joke thanks to phil spencer and now this absolute scam of a ps5 pro with the missing disc drive (and even the cheapo stand lol) and the same zen-2 cpu that barely can handle 4k60 in more demanding titles, yeah, nope thanks. sony is ripping you off big time and at the same time they're trying to shut down physical media, if you want to support that, then go for it, i certainly won't.
No chance. Every issue with the PS5 Pro can also be levelled at a gaming PC plus so many more. For me it has never seemed worth it even ignoring the price
There will be a few people who see the PS5 Pro price and realise they can get an ROG Ally (or equivalent) for that, and have PC games on the move too. Exactly how many people, it's hard to say...
No. At least not the ones with limited budget already in a console ecosystem for the living room and a workstation for the home office. Why add another gaming device (you must keep the console for your current library) instead of upgrading your workstation?
I mean, the thing is that most people want a good gaming platform to play modern videogames. They don't have to think about the things people say you have to think about when getting into PC gaming, because there are ways to get around it. If there weren't, then your avarage "new to gaming" content creator wouldn't be able to use a PC. PCs can be used as a console, with a controller on a living room. Is it less straight foward than a console? Yes, 100%, but even kids can manage to get there. It's not hard. We all know how to use a computer. That's the problem, and the reason why PC gaming grew so much. Not everyone gets a gaming platform just to play very casually with friends, to jump to FC, or to have something to play with on the living room. Are there people who are looking for that? Yes, but I think there are even more players who are just looking for the best gaming platform they can get for their money, and in this case, a PC gives you a lot more for the same amount of money.
The eco systems are still too different despite steam big picture mode and the Xbox game bar/window on pc. Still hard to build a similar PC for same price. Plus all my games are on PlayStation anyway. Doesn't make sense for me to hook up a £1000 plus gaming PC to my lounge setup when I can just upgrade my ps5. I doubt you'll see huge swathes of console gamers suddenly jumping to pc
My guy... the Steam Deck is a PC. It's just running SteamOS instead of Windows, and it's handheld. That's a PC. You can have a console-like navigation with a PC. I would recommended going for the Asus Rog Ally X if you want to go FULL handheld, because then you will be able to play almost any game you want.
I recently sold my PS5 and built myself a gaming PC, 7800XD3 and a 4080 super. Thing is, if I buy a PS5 pro then a disc drive that’s nearly £800 here in the UK. Then in another two or 3 years it’l be PS6 which will probably be about another £800. Now my PC will outlive both of the consoles. And the games are are a lot cheaper on PC
By the time the pro is out the ps4 ideally should have 100 slashed off launch price for the disc model. Ps5 should retrail for less on launch. Because of this many people will not invest in the pricier pro model unlike ps4 pro. Would force me to switch to a switch 2 tablet or stay on the standard model as soon as i get one.
While I understand it, I personally don't like the "this is optional" argument to justify pricing. Technically any gaming purchase is optional, yet we're still trying to get hardware for good value and avoid getting squeezed by corporations. For me it's not even the $700 price tag, rather it's spending that much just to be stuck on the close-ended Sony ecosystem where I'm at the mercy of developer support for key features like HDR and VRR, where I pay for online access, and where I only have one option as to where I buy my games - which are consequently more expensive on average. Plus, I'm already invested in my Steam library.
Highly doubtful. Along with everything you mentioned about the cost of PC hardware, this is just a mid-cycle. Many will skip the PS5 Pro and wait for the PS6, which is likely 3 years away. Many of us have the original PS5 and those that do not could still buy a regular PS5. I had the original PS4 and there was no desire to buy a PS4 Pro when knowing that I was going to buy a PS5 when it came out.
Originally, I built a PC for Falcom games but with time, PlayStation kept pushing me away. I started developing distance with the brand in 2021. I think PlayStation failing to provide a native playing handheld to compliment my PS5 with seamless and free cloud saves was a large factor in me deciding to depart from PlayStation, also PS+ price increases. When I realized my annual PS+ was up for renew in 3 months I removed my card info and immediately turned around and bought a RTX 4070 Super, Meshroom S v2, multiple case fans, SCUF Envision Pro, Steam Deck OLED and pre-ordered a copy of Elden Ring + SOTET for Steam. Since then I have not purchased software on PS5, opting to move my purchases to Steam. Also, I am rebuying my PS library on Steam. I pretty much paid my way out of toxic relationship with PS and honestly if they didn't push me to the edge and ignore my needs the money I've spent and continue to spend on PC would have been PlayStation's. Seeing the PS5 Pro makes me want to invest $700 more in my PC ecosystem.
i really wish i had started watching this channel before i bought my P.C. because I didn't know enough to make an informed decision. there is nothing wrong with my machine< but I would have bought something different.
@@aeolussvichi7680 yeah probably 3mil then lol either way a small drop in the bucket. Speaking of which idk why Xbox fanboys think an Xbox handheld like Steamdeck will save Xbox? Not like it would ever sell better and there are already others out there that do the same thing too which sell even worse.
@@craigsampson3386 well considering the cheapest handheld that’s not a switch is about 600$ and that’s with concessions. I don’t know why they would expect a handheld that would run games like the xsx would be any more affordable or appealing. The rouge ally is 700-800$, and they advocating for that while crying about the pros price of 700. The Xbox community is lost man.
@@aeolussvichi7680 yep it's just a cope mechanism for them is all, living on hopes and under delivered promises. It's amusing seeing other TH-cam channels dedicated to Xbox like Destin where he makes video titles like "all eyes are on Xbox", "the future looks bright for Xbox", "If Xbox does this it will dominate" 😂
First of all everything is more expensive due to inflation-food, gas whatever, electronics are no exception. People don't complain when they're getting a new $1000+ phone every year. Most of the people complaining just don't have the cash for it, a lot of us that's just a day or two of work to buy a pro it's not a big deal phone every year
I like playing my games in the living room. I will get a PS5 Pro because windows is bad on a TV/Living room. I would consider a PC but the interface is so bad for a couch environment.
No, it won't. Is not about hardware cost only is about the cost of moving our library aswell. If i wanted to be on PC, i would be on PC already. Also, people is making too much drama about ps5 pro price when series x is only $100 cheaper and that machine is actually way worse.
But... you could start buying the games you don't have on PC, not pay for PS Plus, and start saving thousands in a matter of years. Consider this: spending just $10 a week less in 7 years adds up to $3640. You are way too active? Double that amount. You rarely play? Use half of it, but on top of what ever number you have there, you would have to add another $560 for PS Plus. You can outperform the PS5 Pro with a nice $710 PC build and start saving money instead of selling your PS5 to get a PS5 Pro. Are you going to be replaying your library when over 98% of games aren't even playable on PS5? Be real. You could be, instead, replay games you actually didn't play in a while, like GTA IV, now that everyone is talking about GTA VI, or taking advantadge of your newer hardware with older games too, without having to wait for Sony to give you an update for the Pro. And if you're on Xbox, you don't even have to move your library. You can play your games on PC too, or at least a good number of them.
The PS5 Pro is absolutely NOT going to drive people to PC. The Pro is not the mainstream model. Sony knows this. It's an extra thing for the ultra enthusiast with the money to spare. As long as the mainstream model is kept down, there's no one going to PC that isn't already. Plus a lot of people don't want to game at their desk, where they have been doing work at already all day. They want to sit back on a couch or bed and play in a more comfortable position and possible on a bigger screen. For me I prefer to be at a desk, but many don't.
Not to mention that outside of the US a lot of pc parts are more expensive than the base ps5. This types of discussions aways forget about the places where dollars aren't used.
So you're so ignorant that you don't know that you can connect your PC wherever you want, or you just pretend not to know? You think you used to connect it in HD before consoles, but I guess you don't care, right? You're happy to talk bu11shit in favor of your console...
Also due to inflation and corrupt politics on employment makes it impossible not only finding the extra money but also finding the extra time to play games. So working more to buy the unreasonably expensive option and even pricey games (assuming you can find a new game from sony) you will fight hard to find time since you need to work extra to pay for them. So no i dont need new games and electronics, I just keeping play my old games on my old electronics.
Who are these enthusiasts that want a Pro (after having a base model already) but won't want a PC. I would say this is more for those who don't have PS5 yet
@manojlds people who have really nice tvs and sound systems that don't want to deal with the hassle of pc. I had a PC and it's not nearly as smooth of an experience.
Will keep my base ps5 and build pc next week.
do you have the parts for the pc r/buildmeapc
Will you buy a disk drive for it?
@@anssiaatos i bought one for mine
I remember times where you paid 300 or 400 for high end graphics card. 😢
@@Gamma_Draconis yeah and soda was a nickel and papi would get a paper for pennies. Times change, and there's a little thing called inflation
And 200 for a console.
I remember paying £200 for a ps1
@@RepublicofODLUMNo, you can't compare the 2. This is inflation by 300-400%. That is not normal.
Normal inflation is between 2-3% each year. That is when economy in a capitalist context, works best, as wages can increase with it. Then the enonomy is stable. What has happened over the last 6 years, is an economy that went through recession.
Also crypto-mining has caused a huge price increase.
@@colaboytje No I'm aware price increases have gone beyond inflation, I'm just saying that's how things go. No point in reminiscing about the good ol' days... they're dead and buried
Gaming hardware is just getting too expensive, and it is becoming harder and harder as a gamer to justify spending the crazy amounts of money to get a few extra FPS and better lighting/shadows.
Hmmm... I agree when it comes down to the hardware, but the money you can save in the long run, on PC in particular, and the deals we are getting lately, make things much easier than when I was a kid. We are getting free games all the time on top of that too. I got all Resident Evil games, except for 4 Remake, for 30 bucks. That's kinda insane.
I would say that it is actually pretty cheap because you can get very good gaming experience on something like 7500F and 7800XT.
Just get a Series S and stop crying them
Well most hobbies are expensive. 3 games coming out in October that I want, that’s over 200$ spent😢
To each their own, whatever makes you happy as long as you game on
Nope I switched from pc to console way back and not going back. Some of us don’t game on a console due to the lower price. The experience is just different. I agree a high end pc is a better experience graphics wise :) Gaming on a console is more fun at least for me anyway
I still game on PC, but on a really outdated one + a Steam Deck. High End (as in comparable to a console) PC Gaming is way too expensive nowadays to actually be worth it. Back in the 360 days, paying like $100 more than the cost of a console would get you something that blew the console experience out of the water. Nowadays you can buy a whole graphics card that costs as much as a console and get a barely better experience.
Interesting you went backwards xD
I went console to pc and only use console for call of duty.
@@tylerhill40 doesn’t matter as long as you have fun and enjoy it :) When I switched my pc was 3-4 times more powerful than the console and maybe 5 times more expensive lol, but still enjoyed it more :)
CEO : "I want concord money back"
Marketing : "Say no more"
I know this a joke, but I feel it should be mentioned sony is a 100billion dollar company. concord is a 0.4 billion dollar drop in the bucket compared to the overall value of the company and PlayStation. I don't think Concords failure had any effect on the ps5 pro price
@@legendp2011 400 million? Why does every single time I hear about the price of making that game it keeps rising by 50-100 million. At release week it was 100, then it was 150, at the week of shutdown it got to 200 etc..
@@SurrealLeaf its a bit inflated due to
the way accusations work. I was just stating the upper limit so someone wasnt like “well actually its 400 million”. Because even if it is 400 million that would not effect the price of a ps5 pro
@@legendp2011 Aaah that makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
@@legendp2011 Well, Sony is about 0.038 of the value of Microsoft right now, and I don't think either of them is cool with losing $400 million on a game.
For someone like me that buys all the platforms yes. With first party console titles going to PC it saves me a lot of money.
Do you like any of the exclusives left on PS5? Other than Spider-Man 2. I'm just curious. I know Spider-Man 2 is playable on PC, but that's not the reason why I want to exclude it. I just assume a lot of people like the game.
Same here. When you come to the realization that everything is playable on PC, it's a no brainer. I left the PC space for a long time but coming back is like a breath of fresh air. Sold the PS5 and I'm full time PC now with a couple of things on Xbox I have physically to finish, but that's it.
OH and I'm done paying for online. Don't have to do that on PC either saving you money in the long run.
@@joseijosei the only exclusive that really kept me on PlayStation was GoW and PSVR. GoW will end up on PC and PSVR2 has been a complete disappointment due to no first party support. I’m not a Spider-Man fan at all and I’m not bashing the game either. I’m sure it’s a good game for those that like Spider-Man. I just don’t like the Spider-Man story or character at all. Been that way since I was a kid. As for the rest of the exclusives they don’t seem to be leaning into their properties like Uncharted. Instead they’re just remake/remaster old games for a quick buck. This is unique to Sony now. I’m not including Nintendo because they march to the beat of their own drum. Microsoft has decided all Microsoft properties will be going to PC and some to PlayStation. Consoles long term are really becoming irrelevant for those that have some technical ability.
@@BruceRichwineJr Yeah, consoles are starting to need a change. Maybe they could go on the direction of handheld PCs, so they can still work like consoles but compete with the quality of the product instead of exclusives, and not force us to pay for online access, or put us in an ecosystem with really high pricing on games. If Sony and Microsoft don't do something like that, someone else will.
I'm not gaming on a PC anymore. Sure a PC has better graphics but just way too much hassle. Way way too much hassles. Not worth for me any more. I only game on a console now. Yes 30 fps sucks but I rather choose it rather than the constant hassles. I think the gaming on a window based PC will further decline. Perhaps, some PC crowds will move to a Mac eventually. Personally I found no hassle in a Mac for the comparison.
A $800 console isn’t making the average consumer go out and try to build a $1200-1500 pc just to get even close to what the pro can do. Also less wiring, and a lot of people are already sitting at desk for 40 hours a week, they don’t want to go home and do the same thing lol
1200$ pc can run games with 120fps, ps5 pro will not even run all games with 60. Also you need to pay for online, and games are ridiculously more expensive on ps shop, PC for 1200$ will end up being cheaper in the long run.
>and a lot of people are already sitting at desk for 40 hours a week, they don’t want to go home and do the same thing lol
TV, and monitors use the same technologies, for years now you can plug pc to TV, and console to a monitor if you want. I have monitor + TV setup to get best of both.
@@KraszuPolis at 720p low settings
@@mikeloan Ps5pro has cpu that is equivalent to 3600, one that you can buy from China for like 50$, it will not run allot of games even in 360p 120fps.
For PC you can get 7600 with 7800XT google reviews on 7800XT.
@@mikeloan My guy...
Ryzen 5500 $79 (similar to a 3600, but cheaper. 10% better than what you find on the Pro)
MSI B450M Pro $79.80
Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99
TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99
RX 6800 $329.99 (you can use an RX 7700 XT if this one is more expensive)
CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99
Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99
Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want.
You're below that, but I'm going to pretend you're at that level with a Pro. That's what you're getting. A $710 PC for $700, but without free cloud saves or online mode, so you have to pay an extra $560 for 7 years of PS Plus, and you lose many thousands in that time because of the prices of the game. Also, you don't have access to Frame Generation. You have PSSR, which is similar to XeSS, but you don't get to take advantadge of your hardware on every game like on PC. You're going to still playing Batman Arkham Knight at 30 fps and a low resolution.
You also don't have access to over 98% of the games, which kinda hurts tbh. I wouldn't like to not be able to play GTA IV with all the GTA VI talk. But yeah, you're truly not getting a getting deal. Your parts aren't even dedicated, so your VRAM isn't actually like 16. It's way lower, because you don't have RAM + VRAM, you have shared memory, and on top of that, the parts have terrible cooling so it's noisy and has high temperatures while playing. At least the base PS5 has a $100 advantadge over a PC in terms of the hardware you get on front, but the deal for the Pro is just... horrible. How are you guys defending this?
@@KraszuPolisjust stop. Making yourself look bad ain’t good.
The price is definitely on the higher end, but the biggest issue for me is the removal of core features from their flagship (Pro) product that exist in the base version. The fact that it does not have a built-in disc drive to allow me to play Blu-Ray discs or physical games is an insidious calculation by Sony to try and urge forward the death of physical media. Yeah, yeah - I know. You can buy the drive separately. But not only is this an aesthetically poor option for the most dedicated owners, but Sony knows full well that sales for that will not be 1:1, which dis-incentivizes developers from targeting it, releasing physical discs going forward, etc. I hope Sony is punished in the market for this decision.
Trust me bro nobody will be punishing Sony for this, as the people have already voted with their wallets the last 10 odd years in favour of digital not physical, it's what most of us want. Why do you think a digital edition PS5 launch model existed? Should've been a sign of the times to people like you. Be happy Sony still accommodate disc drives with an optional modular attachment.
80% of first quarter sales were digital
@@craigsampson3386 passionate gamers know all too well that in a few years, the closure of stores from legacy consoles means the death of their collections should they encounter any kind of hardware failure. The same people that would otherwise be purchasing the PS5 Pro are the same ones that want to retain ownership of their purchases. We've already seen how many e-shop closures in the past few years from every one of the Big 3 - Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. Meanwhile, purchases from Steam 20 years ago are still readily available to be re-downloaded and played locally at a moment's notice. I don't trust these closed platforms when it comes to digital preservation. Physical is one way to continue to hold the line. So, sorry - I'm not with you on this.
80% of all sales are digital.
They remove it to drive price down to try and be more appealing.
They offer those who still want physical an option to do it should they want it.
You would have them install the disk drive to drive the price even higher only to appease maybe 20% of people who still buy physical, and not even that full 20% would buy the pro still.
So you’d punish 80% of the potential consumers to appease the 20%?
How does that make business sense to you?
You still have the option of physical if you want it while not forcing the majority of those who don’t to pay for something they don’t want or wouldn’t use.
@@anthonyd4309 the market has already dictated digital is the future, for better or worse.
I switched to PC about a year ago and I'm happy with the decision. No more quality vs performance decisions. And PC is so much more at gaming than console (community mods etc)
PC gives you the flexibility to scale up or down consoles gives what the developer or the publisher wants
As a console player you fortunately do not have to bother with this. It’s plug and play. You buy it once and have nothing but enjoyment for a whole generation while PC gamers upgrade their system every 2 years and waste a lot of money and time doing software troubleshooting with GPU drivers and windows.
@@arianoooamari6949 🤡
@@arianoooamari6949 thing is on a console you play like on a lowest end PC. While PC can indeed be upgraded to have better quality and performance in games, and even fine-tuned as you want it.
And it's easy. Just buy a reasonably powerful PC and put everything on high.
@@arianoooamari6949 "PC gamers upgrade their system every 2 years and waste a lot of money and time doing software troubleshooting with GPU drivers and windows."
We do? News to me.
@@arianoooamari6949That's just something people like to say, but it's not true at all. Like... why would you upgrade your system every 2 years? You have no reasons to do that. Just imagine being in our place. Wouldn't that be annoying? For me, it does sound annoying, so why would you think we do that?
I bought an Atom man GT P7 which is a mini PC with a dedicated GPU and put BazziteOS on it (basically steam OS) and can use that for a very flexible couch gaming PC. It's expensive but a great experience and I can work on it too
The answer is no, gaming pc’s that match or exceed its capabilities are easily double that $700 price tag unfortunately despite what the copium huffers are saying in other videos’ comment sections.
Many people forget or are not aware of how expensive even the CPU or GPU alone can be on a PC; especially if they mainly intend on gaming with said PC.
In that regard, the $700 MSRP of the PS5 Pro is not _that_ expensive, but it still is an investment like pretty much all consumer electronics these days.
Also even if you add on the cost of a disc drive and NMVe for the PS5 Pro, but divide that up by roughly 10 years (give or take), it's not much. My point about the dividing by x number of years is assuming that you'll be gaming on the PS5 Pro for 10 years (give or take).
I think many people are just freaking out about the $700 price tag because others are freaking out and/or they see the price difference between the PS5 Pro and PS5 Slim.
Another thing people seem to forget about is how smartphones (for example) often are priced at over $1000 and some people actually buy a new one every year whereas others upgrade to the latest model after using it for about 3 or so years. Isn't it weird how people are not making a big fuss about that aspect?
Realistically I would not be surprised if many people are making a fuss about the PS5 Pro specifically because it's what is popular to get angry about and complain. Next they're going to complain about how difficult it is to buy one later.
Its nice to see somebody talk some sense for a change.
The PS5 Pro will be obsolete in less than 4 years when the PS6 comes out lmao.
@@craigsampson3386he really isn't lol, half of it is nonsense, written like they know f*ck all about PCs.
PS5 Pro aside, people ARE making a big fuss about smartphone prices. If you don’t see people doing it, you’re not hanging out with the right people. This is why people have started to hold on to their smartphone for even FIVE years now.
It’s always fair to complain about pricing, because money don’t grow on trees. Let people complain, a price-conscious consumer-base helps to keep pricing under control.
Tech people appreciating a tech jump in the console space. How shocking.
Cue the PC fanboys tinkering with .cfg files to get their games to work properly and paying $2000 for a clusterfuck of an ecosystem and experience.
No. This is a niche device that will not take anything away from the original ps5.
If you're annoyed at the price of a ps5 pro, why would you move to a more expensive pc? If you've wanted a ps5 and can't afford the Pro, why wouldn't you just get a ps5?
PC offers a lot more than consoles. So, if console prices are too high, of course people are going to move over to PC. Why not? You're paying a bit more, but you're getting more. Plus, online play is free.
@@G360LIVE you're ignoring the fact that the OG ps5 still exists.
If you can't / don't want to buy the Pro, the OG is still there. PC doesn't come into the equation.
The ps5 generation as a whole has been crap.
And why would you move to PC when you have a huge backlog catalog on your Ps5 which you cannot access on Pc. It doesn’t make any sense. And those who considered to get a Ps5 can also still get one, they don’t have to buy the expensive pro model they can just buy the regular Ps5. I don’t get this conversation tbh.
@@G360LIVE PC gaming offers more in certain ways. I don't want to be stuck at a monitor, I play games on the big TV in my living room. Pc gaming is not attractive to me at all.
This generation drove me to PC gaming, but not because of the price. It was mostly the “there’s no way we can make this game 60 fps on consoles because it’s just such a complex game. Also it was an artistic choice.” And then 6 months later: “haha jk here’s a 60 fps patch”
I own both console and will back to pc games since the price ps5 pro + tax in my region almost same as rtx 4070ti super...
I have original ps5 and pc, wanted to get pro, instead upgraded to 4070super, 200 fps in Fortnite and Cod, i can play cyberpunk with ray tracing
Bro, use DLSS 3 Frame Generation if you have a high refresh monitor (like 144hz), and use Nvidia Reflex with it too. It is amazing.
PC is a completely different kind of monster for games. I don’t think people decide only on the price. Driver problems and updates, latency problems, windows problems etc. many people want simple gaming experience that’s why consoles are so popular.
That is kind of an exaggeration these days pc and consoles are super similar these days especially as consoles have gotten more pc like over time
Seriously, pc gaming is not as hassle or complicated as many people make it out to be. You just have to exert a little more effort on that platform. Basically, stop being lazy. Even some busiest people out there still play on PC.
Absolutely agree. I went from Pc gaming to console because of the problems you explained and I will never go back. Consoles are pure joy and save a lot of money and time.
@@goldensperm7182Pc gaming will never be that easy as consoles. Unbox, plug in, turn on, maybe do some updates which the consoles does totally automatically, insert the game and play. By the time console gamers start playing you haven’t even reached the log in screen of your windows installation yet.
@@goldensperm7182 opening a game in steam is just as opening it on consoles. ( with big picture mode it's almost identical in even the user interface). Nvidia driver updates are automatic ( as simple as software updates on playstation / any console ). Nvidia app / GeForce experience also now automatically defaults you to optimised settings. Even if you can't do it , just look up df optimised settings and input them in game. I still don't understand why people brand pc as some sort of complicated rocket science. Seems like they think it's the 1990s or 2000s pc gaming.
Y’all need to remember PS6 will be this price if not higher lol. It’ll definitely make people go PC
Yep.
They say no big deal now...$900 for PS6 yeahh may as well have the full premium pc experience.
@@tylerhill40delusional take
@@chalpua8802 Why?? Its only like $400 or so more for high end experience on pc compared to console. Do you like being stuck in 30/60 fps? 120 plus is eyegasm status peasant.
@@tylerhill40 Some people are just like that. I have a 7900x and a 4080 so now I don’t care about consoles lol. But not everyone wants a a PC nor cares to spend that much. They want to spend $500 and game occasionally.
@@chalpua8802 Console gamers aren't going to have a choice in the matter. Consoles are dead technology that Sony and Microsoft will be force to leave behind. Nobody is going to pay this amount of money for the sake of not owning their hardware. There isn't going to be enough console gamers to save the market. It's all going to PC.
I doubt it. I feel like the ps5 pro will still do well.
Agreed. This is a bunch of keyboard jockeys pretending they know what they are talking about. Doesn't really matter. Sony spends an ungodly amount of money to ensure they make exactly the right moves necessary to advance their product in the market place. They seem to know what they are doing. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I know that there is 3 people at my workplace that are going to pre-order the PS5 Pro. We are not wealthy, but gamers love their games, and we recognize that we want the best games on the best gaming console, for far cheaper than what it costs for an iPhone Pro Max upgrade or a GeForce RTX 4090 upgrade. (PC gamers get Sony games later in many circumstances.)
@gmanthatguy3937 ya, I looked up. How much a gaming P.C. is, and it's like over double my series x.
Maybe there's a way to pick out parts to make it closer. But I don't see the logic there.
It’s not even sold out lol you can still pre-order it
@@philipberlandayou can buy a prebuilt that beats the consoles for $700
@@cmdrdredd - It can't sell out. It is a pre-order, not a limited edition. Pre-orders are theoretical. There are none that exist. They still have to make them.
Microsoft has this right. Go to ARM/RISC and reduce the amount of transistors needed and die space as well & use the transistors at 3mn to punch above their weight and make a console & hybrid mobile device.
The only cheaper you can get is if you went with RISC-V Open source and this way you don't need to pay a license and you can then go completely digital and add in the disc drive later via USB.
Otherwise there isn't much they can do at this point. Less transistors means less power is needed and thus less heat and less heat means less money is needed to cool the system and if it's a digital system out of the gate it makes it even cheaper.
So, to be honest this is about as much as they can do to save on cost. This is what I would do and come out with a next generation powerful system at a much lower price point so you can just break even on hardware out of the gate.
I'm keeping my base ps5 for exclusive games but passing on the pro, instead I'm looking to upgrade my rtx2070super to a rtx4070super, my CPU is a 3700x so I'm still good as far as that goes. $700 is too much at that price point you best off just upgrading your gaming pc if you already have one and it's just the GPU holding you back.
I was on a fence on buying ps5 pro and i already have ps5,i sad no to pro and bought 2600 euros high end pc which is able to run all the games on 1440 p high frame rate
How on earth is that possible when building a theoretical equivalent of the ps5pro in terms of performance is twice as expensive an investment?
gpu prices are still so bad
Either consoles will be at a higher price, or the mid gen refresh will end
xbox has no mid refresh hahahhaah
@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd they started with 2 consoles. Series S successors of one s ( Latter was the beginning of gen ) and series X is successors of one X ( and that was mod gen refresh)
Actually, both have first and mid gen just the launch times differently. Their strategies differentiate
@@alilokhd4638 PS5 Pro will outsell Xbox Series X and S lol
@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd am a pc enthusiast, not a fan for Xbox or PlayStation
I think to some degree it will cause competition, not for everyone, some people just want to play on a console because its easiler and more approachable, but there will be people that switch, people have already switched this gen and this will cause more people to switch.
I'm a PS5 player that also is a PC and switch gamer. I dont think the ps5 pro is an option for me, ill wait for the ps6 like I waited for the 5. I can still use my PC. Good point on the couch gaming. I work on my PC all day, I wanna play on my couch sometimes
Then connect PC to you TV. Magic, I know.
@@vampiszon6620Not everyone wants to run a 40 foot hdmi cord to a TV and deal with turning on the computer, waiting for windows and steam to boot up every time for a quick 15-20 min gaming session. Plus what I like about consoles is I just know the games will work at a stable frame rate since they’re optimized for the specific hardware.
@@mikeg2491 "not wanting" is your problem then, not everybody's who are just PC-couching. And "stable framerate" on console... that's a good one:)
I have both, but prefer the convenience and speed, easy of use of the console so still prefer to play many games on my PS5. Exceptions are simulators, strategy and building games, but I do find I’m on my PS5 more than PC.
However with the PS5 Pro price, I’m more likely to update my GPU on the computer as no console should be priced that high.
Welcome to a world where next-generation graphics cards, each costing $1,000, are launched every two years. We welcome you.
And each gen becomes obsolete in 2 years
@@roklaca3138definitely not obsolete its just fomo
@@roklaca3138 That's not true plenty of people still playing PC games with 5 year old cards.
@@roklaca3138not even. People are still using 1080ti and that’s going to be 4 generations old
Not me. I do wish it was a little cheaper, but overall I am excited for the PS5 Pro. I've built multiple high-end gaming PCs throughout my life and while I agree that they are more powerful and give more options, at the end of the day I just vastly prefer home consoles/handhelds for how much more streamlined, convenient, consistent, user-friendly, and portable they are.
At the end of the day preferences is king.
$700 still alot cheaper than a high end pc set up.
$10 cheaper. Wow! Amazing price difference.
@@joseijosei ik it is too high.
You could always build a pc. PC Part Picker is a great tool to get you started.
@@tylerhill40 That's what I meant:
Ryzen 5500 $79
MSI B450M Pro $79.80
Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99
TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99
RX 6800 $329.99
CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99
Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99
Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want.
Those are $708.75. The PS5 Pro saves you around $10, and it would be behind this build, not only because the CPU is 10% worse in performance, but because it lacks features you can use on PC and you can't take advantadge of the hardware you get with Pro in a lot of games.
Is the Pro cheaper than a high-end PC? Yes, but it's not a high-end PC. It's barely above entry-level, while the base PS5 is worse than entry level.
@@tylerhill40 Okay, it seems like TH-cam deleted my comment, but I was talking about a build that is less than $10 more expensive than the pro. I'll name the parts without the prices because you know the page you should use.
Ryzen 5500.
MSI B450M Pro.
Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs CL16.
TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second.
RX 6800 (use 7700 XT is it's cheaper).
CM MasterBox Q300.
Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold.
Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want.
@@tylerhill40 Yeah, now it wasn't deleted. When I used the prices, it got deleted. But yeah, on top of that price, which at the very least will be similar to the Pro, you have tools to have a much better experience. XeSS, Frame Generation (see both in God Of War Ragnarok to see the difference), and you can actually take advantadge of your upgrade on a lot more games. You also get access to a lot more games, because over 98% of games aren't on PS5. You can go and play GTA IV, better than ever, if you want. Same with any title, like Batman: Arkham Knight.
Then you have mods. You don't pay for online access or cloud saves, so you save $560 in 7 years. Games are much cheaper, and we get bundles, so on avarage, if we are a bit active, we save around $10 a week, which adds up to $3640 in 7 years. It's a lot of money. Honestly, the Pro at $700 is a deal breaker, because it shows Sony isn't even willing to take the "hit" for us on front, when they could be making a lot more money in the long run. They're not giving you dedicated parts, btw, so the limitations are huge, temperatures are higher, and it's more noisy. You don't 16 gigs of VRAM for games from your GPU. You get memory that's being shared, so you don't have dedicated RAM either. At least the base PS5 gives you around $150 of front hardware value. The Pro is just terrible.
38 million steam users just the other day. I reckon its been happening
If i didnt already own a ps5 I would probably get it but i own a last of 1200 series ps5 which is the best and likely the most reliable so i will be sticking to it for many more years yet, probably well past the ps6 release
I only spent $800 on a ps4 and a ps5 to game for the past 10 years and probably for the next 4 more years. That is still less spent on console hardware vs the pc I built 5 years ago for around 1K. I honestly am fine using a mid tier pc now just to play pc exclusives (league, wow, enshrouded, etc.) because "pc exclusive" games don't really push graphics to the limit. Its the console games like God of war, Horizon that really try and create beautiful graphics.
I'm going to PC simply because consoles don't have the games I want to play. We used to have a good variety of genres, but now it is not as diverse. I'm into games like Ready or Not, Rising Storm 2: Vietnam and the like. Plus I will have the chance to play older games that I love with higher graphics, higher frame rates, as well as higher resolutions. For example, I love Rainbow Six: Vegas. And when I play on PC, it will be a far better experience than I experienced on PS3 and Xbox 360. I should of went to PC when the PS4 came out
This debate is a bit like saying that new expensive iPhone is going to drive people to get android instead.
In Turkey yes. You can buy rtx 4070 super + ryzen 7 78003d PC same price.
Wow... Just wow...
I just did after announcement,builded with some extra money 4080 super/ryzen 7800x3d,and realized i will never look back lol im fed with all the bs expensive games,limitations,having to pay for online and the feeling that there arent any games to play etc.
@@Jean_Christhian i got the base ps5 i can play gta6 on that it will still run on ps5 pro still on 30 fps.😂
I got the 4080super with 850$ Gl finding 5080 from scalpers at any close price,with nvidia not having any competition im really curious what price those will be smart guy😂😂😂
And what about performance did you owned one that you know that well,im playing on 4k native most games around 100fps with dlss over 150,what you want even more than that?compared to fucking upscaled 4k 60(still not guaranteed on al games) on fkin console.
@@Jean_Christhian GTA VI will suck anyway! It's most likely being written by the GTA Online crew. You may as well refund your pre-order.
@@jermseventy8341 He just doesnt have any points to defend the console anymore so they come up with gta6 lol,i can play that shit on base ps5,it will still run 30 fps on ps5 pro anyway😂
@@Jean_Christhian Well thats marketing sony and microsoft paying extra$ for exclusivity on release,also the pc ports are more time consuming to make rather than console ports,give me a single reason why i should buy the ps5 pro if gta6 will still run on 30fps(that will be 100%sure because of the cpu limitations).
@@Jean_Christhian you are paying way more in time with overpriced games on ps store,and ps plus subscription dont worry.
Im coming from there dude i still have the base ps5 im just tired of sony and theyre shady practices.just try to build a decent pc and you will see that the price difference is worth from the freedom you have on pc.
Gotta remember the people who have a nice tv and compfy couch in the living room, maybe a good soumd system.
This idea that consoles and PC are somehow in competition with each other is the new landscape for fanboys. In the general public these are two different and distinct types of gamers. The hardcore PC gamer is never going to trade the option of high end PC gaming for console and the hardcore console gamer is never going to give up day 1 access to games and games optimized for thier hardware to play around with settings and part shop for the cheapest price on hardware. So why does the PS5 pro exist....for the same reason the 4090 exist.....to cater to those people who are never going to convert but want the best experience in thier preferred platform. The only reason this is a talking point is because fanboys need ammo for platform war and a 700.00 pricetag on a console is alot of ammo.....the problem with that ammo is that the more PC gamers try to use it....the more they make a case against buying a PC, because how do you argue 700.00 is too much to spend on a dedicated gaming machine, but a person should spend twice or 3 times that amount to buy a high end PC which will be better than the 700.00 console. Its the worst case of fanboys arguing against thier own self interest ever, but as long as fanboys exist these types of conversations will continue.
No, they're not. The vast majority of people who used to play on consoles are now on PC.
PC gaming grew a lot while people aren't buying consoles as much anymore. You now have 1.86 billion PC gamers vs. around 100 million people on current gen hardware.
Okay, I'll explain to you why the Pro is a bad deal, okay? You get a console that has a CPU that performs 10% worse than what I'm going to list, without dedicated parts, and shared memory (you don't actually have 16 gigs of VRAM because you don't have dedicated VRAM or RAM. You don't have straight up RAM). The cooling is worst, the temperatures are higher, and the performance is behind, but still pretty similar, to this:
Ryzen 5500 $79
MSI B450M Pro $79.80
Patriot RAM 3200Mhz 16 gigs for $37.99
TEAMGROUP MS30 2 TB with 6gigs/second, pretty fast, for $89.99
RX 6800 $329.99 (you can use an RX 7700 XT if you want, or if you can't find any 6800)
CM MasterBox Q300 $39.99
Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold $51.99
Windows is now free, or you can use SteamOS, Linux with Proton. What ever you want.
That's $708.75, so you're getting a $8.75 "on front hardware value", kinda (not really for the reasons I listed), when the base PS5 gives you around $100 or $120, but then you have to pay for online access or cloud saves, which in 7 years costs $560, and you have more expensive games. You can't take advantadge of your hardware in the vast majority of games, unlike on the PC. You don't have access to over 98% of the games you can play on PC. That is the problem with the Pro. They're even taking the loss for you to get you into their ecosystem, when they should want you there, because then they start to milk you, basically, so that's why it's a slap in the face. It should cost $599 at the most.
@@joseijoseithat’s a shit pc you built lol, with super low end parts.
@@joseijosei
First I wanna congratulate you on the fact that you are at least a bit smarter than the idiots posting 700.00 PC builds without RAM or cases to try get the price down. But a smarter fanboy is still a fanboy so I gotta call out your bull 💩 too.... let's start with your 700.00 PC build.
1) base PS5 CPU is an 8 core 16 thread CPU so you post a 6 core 12 thread CPU to keep price down ....I mean it's not like multicore processing is a thing for gaming. Oh wait it is.....🤷♂️🤔
2) the 6800 is a beast.... and if it was pre-February 2019 I would want your build or if we were looking for general 1440p, no RT, mix of low, medium and high settings with shaky 60fps with FSR2.0....oh wait isn't that what the base PS5 does already?
To make my point....let's look at benchmarks of one of the games that was shown in the PS5 pro reveal, Alan Wake 2. On your 6800 build you'll get 1440p output resolution, FSR2.0, no RT and if you go with all low settings (which will not match the settings of base PS5) your gonna get roughly 70ish FPS.....but if you go with high settings you are gonna end up with sub 60fps performance....if you go mix of low medium and high settings you will get a roughly 60fps experience but at times you will have massive frame spikes into the 40's. Which if you've been paying attention is a near like for like experience with the base PS5.
Now the reason I cited February 2019 is because that's when we saw DLSS implemented in large form to PC games....and in addition to having vastly superior image quality to FSR2.0 in every conceivable metric, DLSS also produces a savings on rendering which translates into performance gains. And what does the PS5 pro share in common with DLSS that your 6800 doesn't have? That's right..... the thing you conviently left out of your description of your 700.00 PC and a big reason why the PS5 pro exist in the first place....PSSR hardware based AI upscaling. You know why people prefer NVIDIA GPU's over AMD GPU's, because NVIDIA has AI upscaling and AMD does not. In fact take the same game, same settings on a 3070 (which as far as paper stats go is slightly weaker than the 6800) and the 3070 is gonna outperform the 6800, why.... hardware AI upscaling which FSR2.0 cannot contend with for image quality and performance gains.
3) nitpicking time just cause it's fun to mess with you people... why does your 700.00 PC not come with WiFi 7 but the 700.00 console does? Also, PS5 pro comes with a dualsense controller and unless you plan on playing your 700.00 build with hopes and dreams you forgot a piece...and since budget keyboard and mouse combos can be brought from Target for like 20 bucks...I guess you'll throw that in as well cause you have been pushing for low quality hardware with this whole build (except for the 6800 it the only really decent part you included) I shouldn't worry about DPI or mouse acceleration or anything like that....your goal is to prove you can build a 700.00 PC and sometimes you gotta cut corners. Speaking of cutting corners....PS+ is not needed for online games...its needed for some online games, but certainly not all, so at best it's a nice to have but not needed especially if you play alot of singleplayer games and the top multiplayer games.
Now to address your platform warrior spirit that made you post this comment...first I just love how you combined all the workstations and school computers into the title "gaming PC," because I sincerely doubt that a very large portion of that 1.86 billion number you quoted can run modern games well enough to even be considered a gaming device. Hell Steam is the largest distributor of PC games with a user base of 1.39 million according to Steam reports and more than 75% of thier users are on hardware weaker than a 3060 which is about on par with a base PS5. So to be fair, it makes the hardcore dedicated gaming PC community a little less than 25% maybe. Which if we are being honest here...PS4 pro sold to about 20% of the PS community and PS5 pro is likely gonna be less than that because.....well sticker shock. So yeah... fanboys be the smallest segment of gamers talking like they are the majority. Lastly I do want to create a caveat to allow for fanboy migration between platforms, because there are certainly some fanboys who will leave one platform for another, I should know.....I used to game on PC but I didn't want to keep up with the hardware rat race and I don't really have time to bargin shop like that for PC parts and rather than pay significantly more for a prebuilt PC, I chose to get a PS5 because in truth.....the base PS5 is good enough for most people...but if you want a better PS5 then the pro makes sense. It's choice but not too much choice.
As far as the price is concerned, modern hardware to play games is expensive, and you PC weirdos do people a disservice trying to get them into the PC space with outdated hardware that they will most certainly have to upgrade in a year or two as games get more demanding. Ya'll would do better recommending the higher end 2000.00-3000.00 hardware that will be in the upper echelon and drop down to middle of the pack than recommending these 700.00 budget builds because at the mid tier to low end a console is gonna always come out better on Price to performance, and no amount of dishonest downplaying or 🧢 against the console will change that fact.
@@corey_massey You talk a lot without knowing anything. You use the word "fact", and some wrote en essay lying and being wrong all the time. What matters is the performance. What's the point of having more cores and threads if it performs 10% than a Ryzen 5500? I mean, sure, the i9 10900k has 10 cores, almost double what the i5 12600k has (this one has 6. The other 4 PCores aren't used in gaming), but it doesn't outperform it. This should be obvious for anyone. Do you know or remember what an FX 8350 was? Cores and threads don't matter. What matter is the performance.
Why do you care if "NVIDIA has AI upscaling and AMD does not", when AMD has access to XeSS? Which is looking better than PSSR, according to the issues we saw on the presentation. Also: no, the 6800 isn't running Alan Wake 2 worse than the Pro. That console is running that game at 864p on the presentation. Oh, and the 6800 not only gets XeSS. It gets Frame Generation too, and you can take advantadge of that GPU on any game you want, so in practice your experience will be MUCH better than on the Pro. You can go for a 7700 XT if you really need better rt performance on top of better FG, because it's around the same price, but we are talking about getting double the framerate on games now.
Bro... it costs like $15 to add 5Ghz Wi-Fi there. You aren't going to get over the $3640 more you spend on avarage in $7 years gaming on consoles because of game pricing, or the $560 for PS Plus. What do you mean it's not needed for online games? It is. "For some", you say, knowing very well that you only don't need them for F2P titles. You don't even have cloud saves without it. A mouse and keyboard cost like $10. Just... stop it. You're not looking good here.
I'm talking about gamers, meaning people who game on PC. If I was counting any computer, close to half the world population would own one. Steam is the largest distributor, not the only place you have to play games. League of Legends alone has more monthly active players than the numbers of PS5 and Series S|X owners numbers combined, and it's not on Steam. Do you see Minecraft, Roblox or Fortnite on Steam? Escape From Tarkov is not on Steam. Same with WoW, there's a popular store called Epic. Valorant isn't on Steam either. Do you see Genshin, ZZZ, Honkai Star Rail, Wuthering Waves, or any of those there too? Steam is not PC gaming.
There are way more people with PCs that outperform consoles than current gen consoles owners too. Why do you think that the peak player count for Black Myth: Wukong was 3.0 million, and 2.4 million from those where on Steam alone, when the game is on Steam, Epic, WeGame and PS5? Here is your answer: a lot of people own good PCs. "I used to game on PC but I didn't want to keep up with the hardware rat race"... Then... don't, and stop lying about hardware upgrade. You don't need them every 2 years, because as long as your PC is as good as a console, you're good for the entire generation (it could even be a bit worse and still run games).
I went from a 4090 to a ps5, I honestly regret going to pc… seems to me I enjoy ps5 more, the kid happy though , I sold it for 1500$. A steal.
How did you give up a 4090 for a fucking ps5 😂
@@Gilbert020 not everyone needs a pc bud.
@@alexlara5326 what I'm trying to say is you gave up the best performance and settled for worse
@@Gilbert020 yeah but I don’t really care about graphic you know? Or performance, as long as my game hits 60 fps I’m fine.. also the 4090 is a monster but games are not optimized for pc sadly…
@@alexlara5326 how are games not optimised for pc you get hundreds of more settings compared to a console lmao
No they wont ... because PC is still a pain with only a controller on a 65 inch TV.
That might also be the reason PS5 Pro selling very well. If you want the "best and easiest package for a TV" ... PS5 Pro is the way to go.
I'll stick with Series X for a few months longer because there are simply some games coming out on Ubi+ or Game Pass ... two options Sony can't provide.
And we'll see ... maybe XBox has leaked some more information about their XBox OS for PCs.
A OS that plays and let you install digital XBox games, as well as Game Pass ... or even let's you play Steam game or shift between big picture mode and back ... would be a bummer.
For me yes. Only two games on PS5 that are currently exclusive and I thought were great. Demon Souls and Spiderman 2. Baldurs Gate and Dying Light 2 run better on my 2050 laptop.
I have a mid end pc and a ps5, I only play exclusives on the ps5 and the exclusives are also coming to pc, if you're trying to choose between a ps5 and a pc u should go with pc, you save money in the long run because games are cheaper in pc and you don't need to pay for a sub to play online.
PS5 PRO
DISC DRIVE
VERTICAL STAND
PS PLUS
2ND CONTROLLER
WITH NO GAMES = $1,000.
FOR A FEW HUNDRED MORE YOU COULD GET A PC THAT DOES WAY MORE THAN A CONSOLE
So building a pc will include games? there's hella stuff u need to add for a pc price I get u why u are adding everything to make it seem it's as expensive as a pc lol
My games are worth more than both combined. You can't expect me to leave my huge library of f games for a pc that costs more and is full of hackers. No tx.
Do me a favor and give me a break down on what I can only assume is your own hand built PC.
I want all the parts listed.
I’ll be eagerly waiting to hear back.
Or less. Best Buy has a 4070 pre. Built for about $900.
How about advent of a new chip manufacturing factory
will it affect cost?
Well, once I saw the price I nabbed a mediocre gaming laptop for $750. I7 13th, 4060, 32GB. Reasonably comparable performance and now I have access to a wider library. My old PS5 will be fine.
I dunno man I am a pc gamer and I usually do a full build every 3 years with the top end CPU GPU available currently i am running the RX7900xtx with the 7800x3D plus everything else and an oled monitor I spent 4K on this build. If I went with the 4090 that would’ve been 5K 😅 so yeah I think 800-900 for a ps5 pro might not be the worst deal if you wanna deal with overpriced games, Paying for Online, Relying on developers to give you some sort of graphical choice or anything over 60 fps running at max settings is almost a myth, no support for ultra wide displays, no real choice of accessories outside of a few Sony approved once. I dunno it sounds like a bad deal for me personally. If they add display port and ultra wide support I might consider one cause I do have a nice library of games there that simply cannot bring myself to play when I compare it to my pc and the entertainment I get out of it.
With this price, NVIDIA is just going to charge $599 for their 5060 cards.
Nvidia has been ramming PC boys from behind sans lube for some time already with high prices. No help from Sony needed 🤣🤣🤣🤣
if 5060 beats 4070 then Id expect at least 400+ $
@electrikoptik too true lol look at the price of the 4000 series
@@AmigoAmigo-w5pfortunately Nvidia has competition in the mid to low range so the prices should be competitive unless AMD decides to pump those profits up 😭
Bro a 4060ti 16 GB cost about $600 at launch. So what do you expect?
even if one cannot build the pc for the same price, the subscription fees will eat away at the difference. moreover, no one on console will stop paying for subscription fees after 6 years, so one would be expected to be paying it for many console generations, and this will far surpass the cost of a pc alone.
i feel sorry for anyone who spent $500 on the ps5 only to then be expected to drop another $800 on the pro. wake up my console brothers, youre already paying pc prices just without any of the benefits
i was going to console with the ps5 pro because i wanted to just plug and play. i actually made time to watch the live unravell, i was very excited. once i saw the price, i bought a ryzen 5 5600 and an rtx 4070 super to upgrade my old am4 based pc.
It's not just hardware prices, ffxvi is 80 euros on PS store but only 50 on steam (40 on greenmangamimg) that's half the price. Wukong, similar story, 70 on PS store but only 60 on steam (49 on greenmangamimg) and the list goes on. Also you don't need a subscription for online play. At 430 for the base ps5 it's reasonable but at 800 euros for the pro you can build an equivalent PC or much better for a bit more and you make up for it in a few games worth because of PC sales. Also epic store gives free games on a weekly basis and some of them are better than PSN free titles and you don't have to worry about PS4 vs ps5 native support and if they will run at 60 fps or not...
The problem with the Pro vs PC is the fact you're typically paying more for game's ,accessories and subscriptions ontop of expensive hardware where PC it's generally just hardware it's costing you more
This isn't Sony selling the console at a loss to make-up the shortfall with software/services like prior models.
In ps3 era. 200 on a graphics card with 8gb system memory and 1 gb of gpu memory could out power any home console. Build who system for less than 800 but skimp where you can skimp. Build it yourself and skimpt on a cooler case reuse an old case. Don't add as much soace or extras.
Play has a limit. Greed has no limits.
After watching PC parts skyrocketing, especially video cards and now ssd's doubling in price. I'll just stick to my 100+ games that's sitting in Steam library that I haven't even touched yet. Then there's my Origin, Ubisoft and Epic libraries too!
Tech people appreciating a tech jump in the console space. How shocking.
Cue the PC fanboys tinkering with .cfg files to get their games to work properly and paying $2000 for a clusterfuck of an ecosystem and experience.
Imagine playing at 30fps at 720p and pretending it’s superior experience lol.
@@chalpua8802 this is not the case
You overexagerating
Base PS5 has a 1080/1440p/4K 60 FPS mode on 99 % of games
Even some games have native 4K at 60FPS like Gran Turismo
@@AB-fr2ei not even 1% are native 4k
@@chalpua8802 more like 10 %
Everyone with sense are just going PC😂. And the argument about gpu prices. I have had mine for 5 years and not had to upgrade one dam thing. Ps5 £700, price is ridiculous, oh and diskless wtf. Less for more money😂
For me nope, since I game on both PC (self built) and consoles anyways. I also collect every version of PlayStation released and it never broke on me once.
The PS5Pro is expensive compared to the PS4Pro but not when compared to modern PC hardware. You cannot build a PC as fast as a the PS5Pro for the same money and the PlayStation ecosystem is much much more simple to use which attracts a lot of gamers.
And "gamers" is a different group to "PC people". Most "gamers" do not like messing with hardware, or Windows, or even game settings.
Owning a console long term is much more expensive anyway with about 100 less benefits then a pc
No, I'm already Dicking around too much with HDR settings, audio settings for armos, performance and graphics settings. I'll never play the game if I used a PC. I just want to set it up once and go.
I'm going the other way. PS5 Pro moving closer to PC gaming, but still having the option of physical media has me moving back to console. I love my PC and my 4090, but I do love physical media, and the PlayStation ecosystem.
You do know you can buy a blu ray drive for a PC right? Consoles are moving away from physical media so you're a bit late going back to console. All signs point to the PS6 having no disc drive.
Well... if you do love it, buy readers to play your games on PC in the future too. Don't get rid of those games.
Just get a base ps5 at that point and save yourself 400 ish dollars
i completely shat on this console generation on bought a steam deck instead, best decision i've made in a long time.
love to play all the classics on the go and even more recent games often run amazingly well on the little deck.
How many FPS and resolution in dragons dogma 2, wookong, starfield and ff 16? 😂
@@barulicksama3838 obviously these don't work well since they are too demanding, but for that i have my rig with a rtx 4060ti and r7 5700X which plays them just fine @1080p.
i'm not saying the steam deck is as powerful as a ps5 or replaces a console, it's obviously not and it doesn't, but it lets me play elden ring @med-high with a locked 30fps and thanks to valve's great shader compilation technique, i have not experienced a single hard drop.
i'm just having such a blast with this device that i barely touch my pc anymore and i higly doubt i would've experienced this kind of joy with a current gen console.
there's absolutely not a single exclusive that draws to the ps5,
ps4 era had so many brilliant exclusives (which tbf most of them have been released on pc by this time) and i felt like my ps4 was absolutely worth it, even didn't mind upgrading to the ps4 pro.
ps5 is just meh, xbox has become a joke thanks to phil spencer and now this absolute scam of a ps5 pro with the missing disc drive (and even the cheapo stand lol) and the same zen-2 cpu that barely can handle 4k60 in more demanding titles, yeah, nope thanks.
sony is ripping you off big time and at the same time they're trying to kill physical media, if you want to support that, then go for it, i certainly won't.
@barulicksama3838 obviously these don't work well since they are too demanding, but for that i have my rig with a rtx 4060ti and r7 5700X which plays them just fine @1080p.
i'm not saying the steam deck is as powerful as a ps5 or replaces a console, it's obviously not and it doesn't, but it lets me play elden ring @med-high with a locked 30fps and thanks to valve's great shader compilation technique, i have not experienced a single hard drop.
i'm just having such a blast with this device that i barely touch my pc anymore and i higly doubt i would've experienced this kind of joy with a current gen console.
there's absolutely not a single exclusive that draws to the ps5,
ps4 era had so many brilliant exclusives (which tbf most of them have been released on pc by this time) and i felt like my ps4 was absolutely worth it, even didn't mind upgrading to the ps4 pro.
ps5 is just meh, xbox has become a joke thanks to phil spencer and now this absolute scam of a ps5 pro with the missing disc drive (and even the cheapo stand lol) and the same zen-2 cpu that barely can handle 4k60 in more demanding titles, yeah, nope thanks.
sony is ripping you off big time and at the same time they're trying to shut down physical media, if you want to support that, then go for it, i certainly won't.
No chance. Every issue with the PS5 Pro can also be levelled at a gaming PC plus so many more. For me it has never seemed worth it even ignoring the price
The price of a PS Plus membership is what drove me to PC 2 years ago. Haven't looked back since.
$560 for 7 years is crazy.
Not really when gta 6 is console only and coming out next year
Yeah at 30 fps, I will rather wait and play in 120 fps on PC.
@@Dr.WhetFarts you’d rather wait years and watch everyone else’s enjoy it. That must be grim
@@Jako101well idc i still have base ps5 and pc,it will still run on 30 fps on base model lol no reason to upgrade to ps5pro for gta6
There will be a few people who see the PS5 Pro price and realise they can get an ROG Ally (or equivalent) for that, and have PC games on the move too. Exactly how many people, it's hard to say...
No. At least not the ones with limited budget already in a console ecosystem for the living room and a workstation for the home office. Why add another gaming device (you must keep the console for your current library) instead of upgrading your workstation?
I mean, the thing is that most people want a good gaming platform to play modern videogames. They don't have to think about the things people say you have to think about when getting into PC gaming, because there are ways to get around it. If there weren't, then your avarage "new to gaming" content creator wouldn't be able to use a PC.
PCs can be used as a console, with a controller on a living room. Is it less straight foward than a console? Yes, 100%, but even kids can manage to get there. It's not hard. We all know how to use a computer. That's the problem, and the reason why PC gaming grew so much. Not everyone gets a gaming platform just to play very casually with friends, to jump to FC, or to have something to play with on the living room. Are there people who are looking for that? Yes, but I think there are even more players who are just looking for the best gaming platform they can get for their money, and in this case, a PC gives you a lot more for the same amount of money.
The eco systems are still too different despite steam big picture mode and the Xbox game bar/window on pc. Still hard to build a similar PC for same price. Plus all my games are on PlayStation anyway. Doesn't make sense for me to hook up a £1000 plus gaming PC to my lounge setup when I can just upgrade my ps5. I doubt you'll see huge swathes of console gamers suddenly jumping to pc
Not PC but I’m thinking more and more that I wouldn’t mind going handheld fully, with steamdeck which is basically a PC.
My guy... the Steam Deck is a PC. It's just running SteamOS instead of Windows, and it's handheld. That's a PC. You can have a console-like navigation with a PC. I would recommended going for the Asus Rog Ally X if you want to go FULL handheld, because then you will be able to play almost any game you want.
Driving me to pc
Yes, I just cancelled my plus last week and bought a 750$ pc yesterday.
I recently sold my PS5 and built myself a gaming PC, 7800XD3 and a 4080 super. Thing is, if I buy a PS5 pro then a disc drive that’s nearly £800 here in the UK. Then in another two or 3 years it’l be PS6 which will probably be about another £800. Now my PC will outlive both of the consoles. And the games are are a lot cheaper on PC
By the time the pro is out the ps4 ideally should have 100 slashed off launch price for the disc model. Ps5 should retrail for less on launch. Because of this many people will not invest in the pricier pro model unlike ps4 pro.
Would force me to switch to a switch 2 tablet or stay on the standard model as soon as i get one.
While I understand it, I personally don't like the "this is optional" argument to justify pricing. Technically any gaming purchase is optional, yet we're still trying to get hardware for good value and avoid getting squeezed by corporations.
For me it's not even the $700 price tag, rather it's spending that much just to be stuck on the close-ended Sony ecosystem where I'm at the mercy of developer support for key features like HDR and VRR, where I pay for online access, and where I only have one option as to where I buy my games - which are consequently more expensive on average.
Plus, I'm already invested in my Steam library.
You don't own PS5 right?
Highly doubtful. Along with everything you mentioned about the cost of PC hardware, this is just a mid-cycle. Many will skip the PS5 Pro and wait for the PS6, which is likely 3 years away. Many of us have the original PS5 and those that do not could still buy a regular PS5. I had the original PS4 and there was no desire to buy a PS4 Pro when knowing that I was going to buy a PS5 when it came out.
Originally, I built a PC for Falcom games but with time, PlayStation kept pushing me away. I started developing distance with the brand in 2021. I think PlayStation failing to provide a native playing handheld to compliment my PS5 with seamless and free cloud saves was a large factor in me deciding to depart from PlayStation, also PS+ price increases.
When I realized my annual PS+ was up for renew in 3 months I removed my card info and immediately turned around and bought a RTX 4070 Super, Meshroom S v2, multiple case fans, SCUF Envision Pro, Steam Deck OLED and pre-ordered a copy of Elden Ring + SOTET for Steam. Since then I have not purchased software on PS5, opting to move my purchases to Steam. Also, I am rebuying my PS library on Steam. I pretty much paid my way out of toxic relationship with PS and honestly if they didn't push me to the edge and ignore my needs the money I've spent and continue to spend on PC would have been PlayStation's.
Seeing the PS5 Pro makes me want to invest $700 more in my PC ecosystem.
Just bought a Steam Deck OLED instead of pre-ordering the PS5 Pro. Love it.
A PC with bazzite or eventually steamOS in the living room is a better value for steam discounts prices, free online and guaranteed back compat alone
I just have to look at current GPU pricings. That's it.
i really wish i had started watching this channel before i bought my P.C. because I didn't know enough to make an informed decision. there is nothing wrong with my machine< but I would have bought something different.
In Short, my Opinion: no, it will not.
Shame they can’t release a console equivalent of Steam Deck.
Thats way too expensive and niche, Steamdeck has only sold like what 4mil?
@@craigsampson33864mil? You give it way too much credit.
@@aeolussvichi7680 yeah probably 3mil then lol either way a small drop in the bucket. Speaking of which idk why Xbox fanboys think an Xbox handheld like Steamdeck will save Xbox? Not like it would ever sell better and there are already others out there that do the same thing too which sell even worse.
@@craigsampson3386 well considering the cheapest handheld that’s not a switch is about 600$ and that’s with concessions. I don’t know why they would expect a handheld that would run games like the xsx would be any more affordable or appealing.
The rouge ally is 700-800$, and they advocating for that while crying about the pros price of 700.
The Xbox community is lost man.
@@aeolussvichi7680 yep it's just a cope mechanism for them is all, living on hopes and under delivered promises. It's amusing seeing other TH-cam channels dedicated to Xbox like Destin where he makes video titles like "all eyes are on Xbox", "the future looks bright for Xbox", "If Xbox does this it will dominate" 😂
First of all everything is more expensive due to inflation-food, gas whatever, electronics are no exception. People don't complain when they're getting a new $1000+ phone every year. Most of the people complaining just don't have the cash for it, a lot of us that's just a day or two of work to buy a pro it's not a big deal
phone every year
Anyone considering GeForce now via your smart tv? Or GeForce now in general? Just curious to whether that is a quicker way to the PC journey...
Of course not. PS is expensive, but PC is unplayable. You enter GTA Online lobby and get blown up by hackers immediately
The problem lies in the games you play. Not the platform
@@BlackSkyZ2 lmao
pc has already a big gaming advantage. its free to play online and the pc can be used for other things than gaming as well as for emulation
I like playing my games in the living room. I will get a PS5 Pro because windows is bad on a TV/Living room. I would consider a PC but the interface is so bad for a couch environment.
No, it won't. Is not about hardware cost only is about the cost of moving our library aswell.
If i wanted to be on PC, i would be on PC already. Also, people is making too much drama about ps5 pro price when series x is only $100 cheaper and that machine is actually way worse.
But... you could start buying the games you don't have on PC, not pay for PS Plus, and start saving thousands in a matter of years. Consider this: spending just $10 a week less in 7 years adds up to $3640. You are way too active? Double that amount. You rarely play? Use half of it, but on top of what ever number you have there, you would have to add another $560 for PS Plus.
You can outperform the PS5 Pro with a nice $710 PC build and start saving money instead of selling your PS5 to get a PS5 Pro. Are you going to be replaying your library when over 98% of games aren't even playable on PS5? Be real. You could be, instead, replay games you actually didn't play in a while, like GTA IV, now that everyone is talking about GTA VI, or taking advantadge of your newer hardware with older games too, without having to wait for Sony to give you an update for the Pro. And if you're on Xbox, you don't even have to move your library. You can play your games on PC too, or at least a good number of them.
I will Never buy a pc for games. I want to chill on my couch or bedroom not at a desk with a little monitor.
Just plug the pc into your tv and boot steam in big picture mode?
Then you have no clue how to properly game on a PC
@@vampiszon6620 You're right... No clue and no interest at all. Gaming is not my life just when I have free time.
The PS5 Pro is absolutely NOT going to drive people to PC. The Pro is not the mainstream model. Sony knows this. It's an extra thing for the ultra enthusiast with the money to spare. As long as the mainstream model is kept down, there's no one going to PC that isn't already.
Plus a lot of people don't want to game at their desk, where they have been doing work at already all day. They want to sit back on a couch or bed and play in a more comfortable position and possible on a bigger screen. For me I prefer to be at a desk, but many don't.
Not to mention that outside of the US a lot of pc parts are more expensive than the base ps5. This types of discussions aways forget about the places where dollars aren't used.
I wish American dollar would weaken so thing would be cheaper world wide.The €800 for ps5 pro is good example of this in Europe.
Then... don't game at your desk? I don't get what this has to do with PC gaming.
@@sorackamet5558But in most places where that happens, the same translates to the PS5, and games and services may even be more expensive.
So you're so ignorant that you don't know that you can connect your PC wherever you want, or you just pretend not to know?
You think you used to connect it in HD before consoles, but I guess you don't care, right?
You're happy to talk bu11shit in favor of your console...
For GTA6, absolutely. There's no rush though.
Let me ask you a quesiton: if it runs at 30 fps, will you want to play it still?
Of course not.
Already ditched my ps5 for 4080 2 months ago.
The lacking in sales and marketing from both Sony and Microsoft is shocking.
Also due to inflation and corrupt politics on employment makes it impossible not only finding the extra money but also finding the extra time to play games. So working more to buy the unreasonably expensive option and even pricey games (assuming you can find a new game from sony) you will fight hard to find time since you need to work extra to pay for them. So no i dont need new games and electronics, I just keeping play my old games on my old electronics.
the pro is for enthusiasts... completely optionally for everyone, its not going to drive anyone anywhere
Who are these enthusiasts that want a Pro (after having a base model already) but won't want a PC.
I would say this is more for those who don't have PS5 yet
@@manojldsHow do you play the discs collection, digital purchases and ps plus subscription on a pc? Easier said than done
I will move for o PS5 pro just to have the improvements in image quality.
@manojlds people who have really nice tvs and sound systems that don't want to deal with the hassle of pc. I had a PC and it's not nearly as smooth of an experience.
I already have a PC what I don't have is a PS5 pro that's why I want it