I think it's because they have a mutual understanding with one another, I think the police officer knows it's not all the criminal's fault that he got into the life of crime, and that some people do what they have to do. With the criminal I think he understands that the police officer is just doing his job to protect people and wouldn't have any animosity toward him, it's just a natural occurrence that he'd work against him. "We come from a generation where we'd be sitting across the table where I just charged you with three armed robberies having this conversation." I think this emphasises it the most.
Yeah they are look like a movie character, the bank robbery guy is so calm while speaking, and the police look hard to say a word , but that makes this great
being wise at old age aint special. you must be a special kind of moron to not have learned few important lessons at that time of your life. unpopular opiinion i know. but still...
@Eric Miret actually he now works at the UK Criminal Times a newspaper that try to teach criminals how to become better, in fact I believe he is the chief editor
He is just saying that. I know many chavs that do the same thing, say any name, and then they start saying oh yeh, like is he tall? Has a dog, oh yeh i know that dude. Just is to make them appear more popular or powerful than they are.
@@YourJudgeLaw If you don't understand that people lie to bolster there reputation, especially criminals, then you are naive, and i wish i was like you.
@@patrickh6272 If you think you can decipher whether either of them are lying during their early comments, then you are not only naive but also arrogant. Just because this behaviour is shown by some or many criminals it does not mean they are always creating lies to appear more popular or powerful. Noel smith was a very well known criminal in England.
@@badm.d Agree. They seem like good men who have found a bit of peace in their later years of their lives and they are definitely open-minded about life itself. I really enjoyed this video for the fact that this is life, lol. You need to be willing to open doors you're not comfortable with or know nothing about with the desire to learn more about it. You don't have to agree with an opposing side's views, just take it all in and understand it.
pretty sure it's like that for continuity in editing. if they were drinking them the whole time, they'd have to edit in exactly chronological sequence which might not make for the most entertaining video. otherwise the drink level would be going up and down and up and down randomly.
Is it always mature to show mutual respect? Should we treat rapists and murderers with respect? Should we treat police with respect, even though they are the capitalists footmen, protecting private property and murdering people with no consequences? I say we shouldn't. This centrist idea of "the best thing is to meet in the middle" is completely dumb and only benefits those who want to exploit you.
Olaf och David ah a classic call toward extremism and hostility in pair with seeing private property as bad xd Socialists are truly a walking groupthink stereotype.
@@gustavsson867 The "rapists and murderers" thing was kind of a big step. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think the robber didnt kill anyone, and he certainly didnt rape anyone.
Not a threat, I know it sounds like one..it's acknowledgement, but not the good kind. It's like a Campbell meeting a McDonald in the Scottish clan world. You know each other, know about each other and yet it's the first time you meet.
@@gchapps4 When you live in a country where cops beat the shit out of you just because it makes them feel powerful, you start to see them as criminals too. This happens in México (my country) and in the USA, if your social class is not favorable. If I where from the UK I'd feel lucky. Here in México you could almost say they are worst than criminals, because they can rob you free of any charge
Yeah as an American I was confused by the taser thing. Like I wish cops only had tasers lol. But I think the thing is (mind you I don't like police just as a general, I'm sure some are decent people but they immediately set me on edge) cops are probably scared of who they're going up against. People are fucking crazy. And if you start sprinting or fighting back you deserve to be tased like your going to jail why make it more difficult lol.
I didnt read the comments above: yea the police got them bop boppers over here i wish all they had was a taser. So much more voilence but fuck im runnin errytime from a taser😂
They're a pair of bellends. Going on about how their generation can sit down and talk to each other when they probably spent their whole lives bullying their children for expressing themselves because their too insecure to face their own conscience. That generation was trash, is still trash, and will always be trash. Our kids grandkids will say the same about our generation so get off your high horses you selfish boomer fucks.
@@omnipotentpumpkin9755 😂 what!? That whole generation was trash? Really bro? What about the people in those generations who fought for equality, fought against racism, fought for the right for dick heads like you to have the right to chat absolute shit. Wind your neck in you self centred ignorant plumb.
Aardvarked there’s been psychological studies of people that when presented with evidence that they’re beliefs are wrong people will start to hold those beliefs more strongly. Attempting to change someone’s mind on something fundamental to their understanding of the world is incredibly difficult unless the person willingly wants their mind to be changed, which most people don’t, they want affirmation that they were already correct
@@harveyholmes9533 yeah you can't change someones' religion in a day but you can certainly come to an agreement on economics. it took a lot of time for me to realize atheism doesn't make sense imo, and many atheists aren't even atheists because they believe in things like supernatural entities so they don't even know what they believe in. however it takes no more than 1 hour to educate someone why the war on drugs is wrong, why tax rates and tax evasion needs to be looked at again, etc. we don't need to get along we just need to stop "them" from seperating us.
Tasers definitely kill people and you don't even need pre-existing medical conditions per se. For example, if you get tased after not eating for a day or having a really poor diet (which will lower your blood sugar, hence, causing other problems) is enough to kill you.
But I don't think it matter, in my opinion atleast. The reason I say that is because the law , rules, system etc. Is black and white, it doesn't care about gray areas.
The cut outs are where Noel goes bezerk at some of the questions and ‘excuses’ and the 14 officers out of the shot jump on him and syringe shot him to calm him down
i like how theres a moment where you can see both have very differing opinions and something to say, but the officer smiles and says go on. both of these men conducted themselves so civilly and were willing to listen to each other. very cool.
I agree with you and Rees at the same time. The way I would word it is when they both got into their polar opposite professions, they believed in what they were doing. Age and experience has opened their eyes just that little bit more to see that there's something very fucked up in both situations. And it's because they needed to see the other person's perspective.
I like this, its like they are old pals, and they are being very respectful to each other, a real debate between 2 people who are speaking from experiences they have had, from 2 perspectives of the law
This is how a Presidential Debate should be. Nice, calm, and civilized. Biden and Trump just made a fool of themselves, they looked like children. Sorry if I offended anyone by my comment but it's true.
Using the phrase "You need to" immediately puts the other person into defense mode, and anything you say following, will only close them off even more. "You need to understand that." Watch how he responded with "I do understand, and I disagree." Immediately digging his heels into his beliefs even more.
Yeah he came off super condescending when he said that. But that’s because he’s police so he automatically has that “I have the authority to tell you how it is” attitude
No. its just that he didnt think he was educated enough to UNDERSTAND. When he talked back He was letting him know yeah been there im past that now let me tell you what ive learned based on that understanding. Its not about convincing him thats manipulation its about UNDERSTANDING the different sides and pov’s. The officer was just stating a pov.
@@josehenriquez3274 You just did the same thing. Starting with "no" immediately tells everyone in the conversation "you're wrong before I even explain anything." And that's a terrible way to start anything. Particular neurotransmitters in the brain that process speech sound off alert signals when they pick up on certain words or phrases. Assertive phrases like "you need to" and "no" trigger authoritative interactions. Now you're in the mind set of "I have to defend myself from this dickhead, and I'm not budging on my point." Meanwhile phrases like "it sounds to me like-" is REALLY "I'm far more interested in what I think about the topic than what you just said." What I'd like to respond to you with is "learn some communication skills and then come back." Because of the way that you responded. But I'll instead say "That's an interesting point. I'm looking at it from a negotiation point of view, and it seems like we're both hinting at the same conclusion." See how I did that? Way better than "I think we're both just saying the same thing." Which REALLY means "I'm right and you're agreeing with me without even realizing it cause you're just that stupid."
Mike Duncan the word no triggered an authoritative action to YOU. The word no can be a reaction to many things but it has almost nothing to do with authority but more of a choice, but what it triggers is your problem. Thats personal. Now if you cant have a simple conversation with someone without taking simple words personal...then maybe you should keep studying the art of conversation and partake in them a little more often so you can improve your own communication skills. Phrases like “it sounds to me like” are clearly words of reassurance. “Im going to tell you my pov of that” and you will respond to me with “yes youre correct or no thats not the painting i was drawing out.” Its simple shit youre overanalyzing truthfully. You made a statement wich was true initially in your comment....but you didnt prove it with a fact....you proved it with an opinion based on an observation that has nothing to do with the statement itself when the conclusion has already been reached. And you know better than to name call during a conversation even if youre hiding it under a parentheses come on. Youre better than that
Lol, abuse. Media over exagerates everything. Not as bad as they make it out to be, and guess what, if you listen to the police you won't get tased......weird!
Private Private why? that’s just gonna cause havoc. for example, America. black people getting shot everyday for doing virtually nowt. idk about you but i don’t really fancy that here
Guns are fine on officers. Every officer knows what a gun is and what it means to fire it. The good officers will look for reason not to use their gun and the bad ones will just start shooting. That isn't going to change. However, the situation gets a lot more complicated when you give an officer a less-lethal weapon. Officers know where to draw the line on whether or not they need to shoot and kill suspects. Tasers on the other hand are not advertised to have such significant effects. Imagine a situation someone is resisting a lawful arrest. This suspect is not being violent but they are still resisting. This type of case does not warrant the use of a gun. However because the officer's training says that tasers don't kill people they feel like there is no harm to skipping all attempts of deescalation and just tasers them. The suspect then ends up dying due to heart complications with the taser. Nobody is disputing that the suspect deserved to be punished for what ever crime they may have committed, but they didn't deserve to die for it. Even the officer that killed them didn't want them to die. This type of situation is exactly why some people would rather officers not carry tasers with them at all times. I know myself. I don't fit into the type of people that officers feel threaten by appearances. Additionally I will never do anything that causes an officer to want to shoot me. However I am not certain that I will never annoy an officer. Maybe one day I meet an officer that was already having a bad day. Maybe one day I'll be having a bad day and end up not respecting an officers orders as well as I should. Or maybe one day I'll get drunk and stupid in front of the wrong officer. In any of those cases I just hope that I don't become one of the "acceptably rare" statistics of when tasers do end up killing people.
The problem I often come across is that most police officers I've encountered (although not all) came from a somewhat comfortable background- Grew up in a suburban area with a nice garden hedge and with a clean slate. Where as most people who get involved in crime usually have their own reasons - No parental guidance, neglected at school or don't have a descent education to get a better job but still need to feed their family. For example drug dealing and prostitution is a crime, but I have still yet to meet a happy junky or prostitute - I know some of them enter it for greed, but others out of desperation.
UK police: Tasers and Stun guns are potentially lethal weapons, so they are illegal to buy or own in the UK. Also UK Police: "Okay first of all, tasers aren't lethal thats exaggerated".
@@user-kh9nd9iv2t bottom line is, the police in the UK would rather you take a beating, or allow your home to be invaded, than to have you defend yourself, its pathetic. Its also hypocritical, because i live in the UK and own a fully functional sword, but a close range stun gun is "too dangerous", please , dont make me laugh 🤣🤣 The law in the UK is a joke, and the way i see it, if my home gets invaded and the invader ends up impaled on my sword, or stabbed with a kitchen knife, thats partially the laws fault for not allowing safer methods of defence, period. The law here act as if you should allow criminals to walk all over you and leave it to the police, who are 9/10 useless in my experience. And they wonder why London and other UK cities are absolute cesspits full of degenerate scumbags.
SSMemeStar you do that and you’re gonna get sentenced for murder and if you don’t kill him you’ll have charges pressed on you but I know what you mean mate it’s bullshit the most you can do if you want to get the police involved is hold down the offender
Is a sword really safer though lol? I mean sure tase someone in the head as you say and its dangerous, but most people wouldnt be doing that, jabbing a stun gun into someones leg/arm/stomach im pretty sure is less lethal than being impaled by anything lol
speedosausage and those people have to spend their life in a jail cell, no sense of security and no home. And at the end of the day, prison guards get paid to do it. The prisoners just have to spend the rest of their lives without no meaning other than rotting themselves away in a dump. A prison guard might be surrounded by these people, but so are the very prisoners themselves. The prison guards also get to go home and see their families. Saying that prison guards have it worse than prisoners is really stupid.
@speedosausage That's not how it is 'in the states'- that shit almost never happens. Sure, being a correction officer can be pretty unnerving, but the amount of danger you're in is astronomically less in relation to prisoners. Do correctional officers get raped, killed by rival prison gangs, or blackmailed? Do they have to sleep on a bad mattress with someone in their cell that can physically or sexually assault them at any time? Are they not able to see their friends and family often? The answer is no. Correctional officers don't face half the shit prisoners do. The stuff you're talking about is fiction or exaggeration by movies, television shows, and books. Don't know what the ex-convict gentleman was talking about with the tasers. All officers (at least in the United States) have to be tased themselves before they're able to carry one. All officers are trained to use tasers. Tasers are only responsible for 24 deaths, none of which were due to the actual taser, only either the fall or fires caused by the electrical spark a taser gives off. (quick google search, correct me if im wrong on those statistics. either way, tasers almost never kill people, and if you consider the fact that officers would be forced to use more lethal methods, fatalities from gunshot wounds could hypothetically increase). As far as I'm aware, in the United Kingdom conditions in prisons and requirements for tasers are very similar.
That was REALLY interesting. I liked the ending where they both agreed that they would be happy to have a drink with the other person. That was a great video! LAD bible, you show great content!
@@slippinclippin1859 Why shouldn't he? They both seem to be nice people, and I see no reason they can't get along. It's not "being smart" if he *is* acting how you describe, it's just being a dick. (But I'm sure that's not the case)
I think what they did was good. Like you said these discussions have been going on for decades but every discussion is long and drawn out then submerged by opinion rather than fact. Breaking it down to 25 seconds from experienced individuals gets the main point across in a few sentences. It’s those who have never experienced these issues or were the victims of such issues whose opinions trump those professionals actually involved (by means of offending or protecting). It should only take a few words from the wise and experienced to shift an argument. That’s my perspective at least but I respect your POV as well 👍
Autumn-Marissa McClounie I disagree with you. A few words for major arguments like this simply isn’t enough. All they do is state their opinions and barely back it up. Neither one of them has time to counter an argument, then Counter that argument, etc. they also don’t have any opportunities to introduce proof into their arguments which is a key aspect to any debate. Idk about you, but for me to believe something I generally need proof. Not saying I need a whole scientific study, but 24 seconds isn’t even enough time for a firsthand account about the subject they’re debating about.
@Jackie Tearie but, here's a question - is that unprovoked? Or is that because it's a rough area there's constantly situations that require force, which leads to more casualties? Especially if you're talking about the USA, where basically anyone could have access to a gun.
Yeah your life changes, in the sense that you learn to respect the firearm as a tool, and acknowledge the damage it could do if used and an improper way.
American Gun Owners have a terrible attitude towards gun which results in many needless deaths due to not safely storing their weapons from their children and toddlers and from mixing alcohol and arguing with firearms quick results and them shooting their fathers, their sons, their siblings, cousins and so on. However I disagree that killing someone necessarily always ruins your life. We have too many counter examples. It's going to depend upon the circumstances and the personality of the person doing the killing.
@@alalalala57 that's not really an arguable point, it just depends on the person if you like guns or not. Shooting people however, is a different argument
I swear that this guy's tryna be genuine without saying out loud how much he hates cops. Edit.: feels so good to have a highlighted yt comment, you guys are the best *-*
I highly doubt he hates cops, any smart criminal has massive respect for them, it's the most thankless job on Earth and as much as everyone would hate to admit it, police are very necessary and actually do a lot of good, this guy just hates that he got caught and had to do time lol
I respectfully agree and disagree with you. I'd say Batman would, but Joker is beyond salvation and rehabilitation,which I strongly feel would be indispensable for any civilized conversation to happen.
It’s nice to see two people from such different and opposing back grounds able to have a civilised conversation, an ability that’s been lost over the years
"You need to be aware what *children* are in the media headlines they are under 18, who's going around stabbing each other to death in horrendous circumstances at the moment" I couldn't agree more with this and moreover can't describe how strongly right he is
They know what they're doing when they pick up that blade same thing when the cop tells me to get out the car am I gonna get killed or beat up or should I just put the pedal to the floor we all have choices most people that get stabbed get stabbed because of ego
It's because people have an inner nature to feel rebellious. It's a survival instinct. That's the same reason as why pirates are romanticized in movies. People love to be the villain once in a while
@@pierrolosapio1042 I get the movement but at this point it has spiraled out of control and is now being used as an excuse to riot and destroy property.
@@seanlfitch7255 In 93 percent of protests there isn't even any property damage at all. The 7% where there is, it's a small portion of people doing it, most of which aren't actually involved in the movement and just see it as a convenient time to steal. So no, you don't get to write off a civil rights movement because a small number of people happen to be committing crimes at the same time.
@@daltondurham5942 There have been 2 police stations burned down, an no officers have been permanently blinded. Still isn't a reason to write of a nationwide civil rights protest.
Cheers for making series like these. Conversation is key to understanding and if we had so much more of these, people would think clearer, be better people. Keep on keeping on & have a damn good day, all.
Its still better to use a taser instead of a gun. In some situations the taser might not even work on people with thick or loose clothing, or people on drugs, but when it does it saves lives. Many people call the police to commit suicide (suicide by cop) and using a taser in those situations is the ideal thing to do.
@@arapimamilkbottle3076 No, you don't. That's a made up story. What was the kid's name? There will be a record if it ever happened. I'll check your lies so others don't have to believe them.
Guns don't kill people. It's the bullet. Let's go deeper. Not exactly the bullet... People dont died of getting shot. They died of trauma and blood lost.
Tom Pow easy big fella, he’s not saying that lmao. I think police being armed with tasers is the right step tbh, yutes these days know officers are just other people in suits and usually have a knife so don’t really feel touchable. The uk, London specifically is lowkey in shambles
@@TJLikePiggy Then what's he saying? He says don't have tasers, here's a couple edge cases where people have been killed. What's the alternative? Either allow the law abiding public to carry weapons, or allow the state enforcers to carry weapons.
The point he was making is that it’s the heart problem or the drugs that kill them not the taser itself. One punch could kill someone yet we don’t call for officers to not be able to use their hands
Tom Pow nah mate he said “tasers don’t kill people” disregarding what the other guy said entirely. They do kill people lol. Not once did I say police shouldn’t have them I’m just saying he’s wrong saying they don’t kill people.
You're asking a recent generation to calm down and mature to the standards of older people thatve had more time to adjust to opinions and let things go. Plenty of people in their generation are also as stubborn as current generations. It's not about generations, it's just basic understanding of other people. That is something different from individual to individual
@@Gwynbleiddsanity Yeah I'm just expanding on what you started my guy, it's not clearly defined whether you understand the other stuff, and there's always value in a second perspective so I tossed mine in
This reminds me of Al Pacino and Robert in Heat. That mutual respect between each other but that knowledge that "you know me and I know you and we both know what would happen if you saw each other in the public"
I am a Correctional Supervisor that worked his way up the ranks. I'm from the Old School era...... we new how to "Talk to...not at" inmates". We understood the "Respect, The Codes, The Line and Bottom Line." I saw a over the years a larger number of officers even trained can not understand or do this, and steadily becoming worse. The true communicator has lived, worked and comes naturally through understanding. The Inmates called me "The Man with a Stick"/The Predator inmate called me "RoboCop"......They knew Behind population I would counsel and chew an officers ass....just as fast as an inmates. They knew I took no shit....and a fight was OK, but a weapon not tolerated....both would be served due justice protecting each equally. I "was" a big strong powerful man...and yes I used force a few times. But...I lead by being 1st in the fight. I "always felt" I could change the tempo and dynamics of the fight by directly controlling the inmate and officers actions. "I was the Cooler in the situation"...99.9% of the time when I grabbed every inmate immeaditly stopped without retaliation. My older seasoned officers knew my line and when to stop....those damn young officers continuing beyond learned quickly what I didn't tolerate (they were scared and playing Super Hero). I would have a one on one "Counseling session" and that a was that with both inmate and officer. No weapons used..."No Counseling Required"....EVER !!!! If and when I needed to use force,usually always a wall hold or drop.... the inmates never fought me back?? It took awhile but I learned through the grape vine it was "Their Code" to give me.....MUTUAL RESPECT !!! I knew the CODE !!! The inmates and officers both knew I took no shit on either side of the bars you was looking through. The inmates knew I would help and or serve justice honorably to each, or harshly if required. The older seasoned officers and younger "smarter officers" clung to me regardless of shift and situation. The Superhero officers learned to shutup and learn. I have point blank talked to officers telling then to resign and find another job..... before the prison system swallowed them leaving them hollow and alcoholics. In 32yrs.....I Have seen "Good Men" who screwed up destroyed and lost in the system.....I have seen dangerous predators released to the public. I went 18yrs before I "Chose" to even put on Sgt, as I got older I went beyond in rank....today we have Sgts in 4yrs. They haven't even learned the walk...how are they to understand and/or lead if they didn't work the trenches. MAX Life of 32yrs...I walked the walk...RESPECT/The CODE...I never crossed the thin Blue Line....I UNDERSTAND BOTH VIEWS !!
Damn, as a former con thats reformed REALLY hits home. I just wish you'd of put these questions in a different order as the ones you opened up with were *far* better served at the end. I believe the old bill would've been more thoughtful about the tazer and deaths inside questions if he'd have heard what the other bloke had said previously. That being said... this was *by far* the most captivating one of these you've done so far. Good job LADbible 👏
It’s also quite telling when you notice how the criminal is always “Strongly” agreeing or disagreeing while the cop is often making use of the moderate options. When the question regarding “Do bank robbers hurt people” comes up, the robber even goes quickly to Strongly Agree only to change his mind suddenly and switch straight over to Strongly Disagree which seems to showcase a tendency to initiate sudden drastic action. These options highlight the difference in personality between the two quite well.
I mean tbh alot of criminals honestly have a far stricter "code" than non criminals ironically. I did alot of fucked shit was I was younger but honestly it was because I never really cared about laws I lived by my own code and part of that was my family comes first and you deal with shit yourself, just those two on the surface purely positive things can get you in alot of trouble these days. Honestly I still think like that but I calmed down when I found out the hard way my way of doing things was only putting my family in danger. Well it took a few years to fully get myself away from being used to that way of doing things after I realized I needed to change but yeah. And truth is alot of criminals are like that they're on the bottom see the system is bullshit and just start thinking in a pure survival my tribe first kinda thought process
Though I will admit I've met some straight shit people who just didnt care about anyone and had no code but their honestly rare....and tend to end up dead honestly
People change opinions. He probably thought he wasn't harming anyone other than the corporations + banks. After seeing his wife go through it hes changed his view.
@UTC 26 The police officer said, and I quote "tasers don't kill people' your own research proves that false, ergo Dahn was spot on when he said one is being honest, one is making excuses.
@UTC 26 Hahaha! What a cop out (pun intended) response by someone who's so stupid they proved their own point wrong in the first place! You're not a clown, sir, no, you are the entire circus! Hahaha!
Holy shit I didn't realize how tense this was until they cheersed at the end and said they'd stay for another drink like I actually exhaled and didn't realize how tensed up my shoulders were
More weapons carried by police, more weapons will be used by criminals. In Norway the police don't carry guns, they have guns securely locked in cars for certain encounters. They have to get permission to use their guns. We have do not have a lot 'gun crime' here, even though we have relatively many weapons with tenth place in the world weapons per person. In 2019 we had 5 murders, 20% more than average. Our closest neighbor Sweden,which is very similar to Norway in most ways, the police have guns. They had in 2019 44 gun related deaths. Sweden has just under double the population of Norway, but around 10 times as many gun related deaths. USA had almost 40000 gun related deaths in 2017, but 'only' around 40% was murders so approximately 16000 deaths. Thats 3200 times that of Norway with 60 times the population. England had almost 6 times as many deaths by shooting than Norway, but with 10 times the population. The British police don't wear guns except for specially-trained firearms officers, and in Northern Ireland were the police carry weapons. Some people claim that carrying weapons is to protect the public. That may be, but in a study from Sweden where 430 shootings was examined, only 1 was to protect a third party.
Your first sentence was a topic raised at the end of The Batman Begins. Where Commissioner Gordon talked about escalation. Something along the lines of police carry semi autos the criminals buy automatics, and masked vigilantes running around beating people up would bring a new kind of criminally insane to Gotham
lordeagleye I'd say the biggest problem for the uk mainly though is knife crime, there isn't a need for a gun when the criminal doesn't have one either, meaning tasers are able to disarm and temporarily incapacitate their target. But on the rare chance that there is an armed drug gang or terrorist attack, armed police are always useable for that situation if it escalates.
Personally I like Finnish way of doing things. Here police do wear a guns and are well armed, but they are heavily discouraged from using it unless absolutely necessary to save a life and even then they are trained in shooting less vital parts of the body to make the criminal drop but not necessarily die if treated. Yes it is a gamble because a heavily drugged person may not feel the pain/shock and drop in time but so far it has paid off in saving lives, both the criminals and the victims. And every single time a police fires his gun there is a thorough investigation if it was justifiable use of force or not, even in very obvious cases like couple of years ago when a deranged student attacked his school with a longsword and had killed few people there and then tried (unsuccesfully, he got dropped with non lethal shots) to do a suicide attack with it against police. The amount of times a police has to fire their guns yearly can be counted with fingers of one hand and it is always news here when it happens.
@@MaaZeus the problem is when police are armed, the criminals will arm themselves to. Finland has no more need for armed police than Norway and England. It's just escalating the problem. Now the Norwegian police are temporarily armed because of 'terrorist threats' that has happened in a European city. I feel so unsafe with armed police that when i see the police i take a long detour.
If you got killed by a taser then you deserve it. Got a health problem? Okay imma rob a store and tries to run from the cops. Cops tased you and youre dead. Maybe you are desperate for some cash and need to rob the store but dont try to fuckin run away from a cop who’s chasing you. Raise your hands and instantly drop to the ground. Dont act like a twat or a tough guy. No matter how big you are, a cop will fuck you up. Theyre designed to fuck tough guys up. So dont try anything stupid with em.
@@Chris-ts2yc have you not been watching the news? A lot of people don't fight and still get attacked. Do you imagine those kids that were shot with a taser were robbing a bank?
@@Chris-ts2yc even the worst of criminals are good at heart , as a child you absolutely support police and the justice system with no question , as an adult you understand and respect criminals.
The thing is, the officers usually don’t have anything against you when you get out. The reason they put you to jail is because it’s their job, not because they hate you
Tdub1 how is it wrong, sure I know that it exists dumb and shitty cops but I’m not talking about those, I’m talking about the “real” cops, their job isn’t to hate you for what you’ve done
"there should be a special trained unit using tasers that is called upon when needed" -Cop stops a driver - driver pulls out knife and runs at him -cop "wait a sec while i call the special taser unit" - runs in circles waiting for backup
Nono if someone comes at you with a knife, you kill them or try to atleast by shooting because the driver comming at you ain't gonna be gorden ramsey making some nice chicken filet from youre face jaaa
"You know, we're sitting here like a couple of regular fellas. You do what you do, and I do what I gotta do. And now that we've been face to face, if I'm there and I gotta put you away, I won't like it. But I tell you, if it's between you and some poor bastard whose wife you're gonna turn into a widow, brother, you are going down."
I like how they talk. They're calm, they don't argue, they're just calmly expressing opinions... It's cool
you can be on either side of the law, doesn't mean you can't be a gentlemen
Because this is a man's talk.
Muz!c Vex cuz they aren’t Americans
I think it's because they have a mutual understanding with one another, I think the police officer knows it's not all the criminal's fault that he got into the life of crime, and that some people do what they have to do.
With the criminal I think he understands that the police officer is just doing his job to protect people and wouldn't have any animosity toward him, it's just a natural occurrence that he'd work against him.
"We come from a generation where we'd be sitting across the table where I just charged you with three armed robberies having this conversation."
I think this emphasises it the most.
Comes with age mate.
They look exactly like a robber/cop would look like in a movie.
How about that movies depict the reality to an extent?
Yeah they are look like a movie character, the bank robbery guy is so calm while speaking, and the police look hard to say a word , but that makes this great
Well this is just the Heat scene when Paccino and De Niro talk
The robber is actually a true bank robber.
@@stevewalker6240 "fat ass" i love how scared would you be if you said that infront of him.
Fat or not he is a cop,don't forget that.
I'm impressed at how respectful they are of each other and how open they're to admitting when the might be wrong. Bravo!
being wise at old age aint special. you must be a special kind of moron to not have learned few important lessons at that time of your life.
unpopular opiinion i know.
but still...
@Andrew H idk most of the old people i know are wise and calm
@Andrew H Well, as a fact you become less aggressive when you're older. So for a bank robber, they would become wiser.
@Andrew H Yeah, fuck all to say. Typical.
@@fierywolverine5044 Wow u just went 0 to 100 real quick
This man has again earned the right to rightfully wear a "fedora"
@Eric Miret actually he now works at the UK Criminal Times a newspaper that try to teach criminals how to become better, in fact I believe he is the chief editor
That's a pork pie. Fedora's have a longer and more level brim. A trilby has a downward dip at the front and a raised rear.
More of a bowler hat
It's a Pork Pie hat
@@bogle3292 lol an uncooked pork pie is still a pork pie.
“You look quite familiar to me”
“I certainly know of your name”
It’s already intense
He is just saying that. I know many chavs that do the same thing, say any name, and then they start saying oh yeh, like is he tall? Has a dog, oh yeh i know that dude. Just is to make them appear more popular or powerful than they are.
@@YourJudgeLaw If you don't understand that people lie to bolster there reputation, especially criminals, then you are naive, and i wish i was like you.
@@patrickh6272 If you think you can decipher whether either of them are lying during their early comments, then you are not only naive but also arrogant. Just because this behaviour is shown by some or many criminals it does not mean they are always creating lies to appear more popular or powerful. Noel smith was a very well known criminal in England.
big boof yea cops retarted they can’t read shit unless u make it very obvious
@@badm.d Agree. They seem like good men who have found a bit of peace in their later years of their lives and they are definitely open-minded about life itself. I really enjoyed this video for the fact that this is life, lol. You need to be willing to open doors you're not comfortable with or know nothing about with the desire to learn more about it. You don't have to agree with an opposing side's views, just take it all in and understand it.
Them not drinking those drinks is really stressing me out.
They drank it at the end, that knowledge shall relieve you of your stress
pretty sure it's like that for continuity in editing. if they were drinking them the whole time, they'd have to edit in exactly chronological sequence which might not make for the most entertaining video. otherwise the drink level would be going up and down and up and down randomly.
They agreed with some things and even both agreed to stay for another drink. So idk where you get any of that from lmao
dot let the Guinness go to wast
Oh, they drank more than one, i promise...
this, kids, is what we call mutual respect and maturity
Is it always mature to show mutual respect? Should we treat rapists and murderers with respect? Should we treat police with respect, even though they are the capitalists footmen, protecting private property and murdering people with no consequences? I say we shouldn't. This centrist idea of "the best thing is to meet in the middle" is completely dumb and only benefits those who want to exploit you.
@@gustavsson867 police? yes, and here's a guide: th-cam.com/video/OEvMc-K8XHY/w-d-xo.html
Olaf och David ah a classic call toward extremism and hostility in pair with seeing private property as bad xd Socialists are truly a walking groupthink stereotype.
@@gustavsson867 The "rapists and murderers" thing was kind of a big step. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think the robber didnt kill anyone, and he certainly didnt rape anyone.
@@gustavsson867 he is the chief editor of one of the biggest prison newspaper in UK that tries to help prisoner be a better person
Robber: I should rob banks
Cop: You should not rob banks
Robber: Let's agree to disagree
*video ends*
now imagine editing it like a silent movie.
"You look quite familiar to me"
WHY does this feel like a threat
Not a threat, I know it sounds like one..it's acknowledgement, but not the good kind. It's like a Campbell meeting a McDonald in the Scottish clan world. You know each other, know about each other and yet it's the first time you meet.
anytime a cops mouth is moving, its either lies, threats, or both
End of the discussion: That sip of beer violates your parole. You're under arrest mate.
Right. He asserted himself off the muscle lol
@@gchapps4 When you live in a country where cops beat the shit out of you just because it makes them feel powerful, you start to see them as criminals too. This happens in México (my country) and in the USA, if your social class is not favorable. If I where from the UK I'd feel lucky.
Here in México you could almost say they are worst than criminals, because they can rob you free of any charge
Uk: Your life changed when you fired a gun”
USA: I shot a gun for the first time when I was 8 years old
I think they specifically mean shooting a gun at someone. There's meat to a question like that.
It's impossible to not have fun at a shooting range.
shot my first gun at six, im now 18, and own 8 firearms.
hell yeah bruther damn right
The south shall rise again
6 years old for me lol
uk: arguing about tasers
usa: sO aNywAY, I StarTeD BLaStinG
No we need our guns to protect ourselves from ourselves if you were an american you would know how much we love violence
Yeah as an American I was confused by the taser thing. Like I wish cops only had tasers lol. But I think the thing is (mind you I don't like police just as a general, I'm sure some are decent people but they immediately set me on edge) cops are probably scared of who they're going up against. People are fucking crazy. And if you start sprinting or fighting back you deserve to be tased like your going to jail why make it more difficult lol.
@@findme2425 I love violence.
I didnt read the comments above: yea the police got them bop boppers over here i wish all they had was a taser. So much more voilence but fuck im runnin errytime from a taser😂
Fuck off you uneducated prick.
This is waaaaay too short. I would easily watch an hour of this.
Same
Ikr
Strongly agree
They're a pair of bellends. Going on about how their generation can sit down and talk to each other when they probably spent their whole lives bullying their children for expressing themselves because their too insecure to face their own conscience.
That generation was trash, is still trash, and will always be trash. Our kids grandkids will say the same about our generation so get off your high horses you selfish boomer fucks.
@@omnipotentpumpkin9755 😂 what!? That whole generation was trash? Really bro? What about the people in those generations who fought for equality, fought against racism, fought for the right for dick heads like you to have the right to chat absolute shit. Wind your neck in you self centred ignorant plumb.
Knew Walter White was still alive, he has done a good job changing his accent
nah he looks more like Mike Ehrmantraut with walter's hat
Nah pal
@@darius2640 Yeah its like a mix haha
Guy wrote a book it's actually a pretty good read
He literally sits down with Jessie in a restaurant on El Camino clearly to show that he's alive
man imagine the stuff we could get done if all debates were like this
Yeah
@Zachary Hoy "people don't change their minds" may be one of the dumbest comments I've seen on youtube.
Aardvarked that is a tough one to beat!
Aardvarked there’s been psychological studies of people that when presented with evidence that they’re beliefs are wrong people will start to hold those beliefs more strongly. Attempting to change someone’s mind on something fundamental to their understanding of the world is incredibly difficult unless the person willingly wants their mind to be changed, which most people don’t, they want affirmation that they were already correct
@@harveyholmes9533 yeah you can't change someones' religion in a day but you can certainly come to an agreement on economics. it took a lot of time for me to realize atheism doesn't make sense imo, and many atheists aren't even atheists because they believe in things like supernatural entities so they don't even know what they believe in. however it takes no more than 1 hour to educate someone why the war on drugs is wrong, why tax rates and tax evasion needs to be looked at again, etc. we don't need to get along we just need to stop "them" from seperating us.
US version: “Do you think police officers should carry small arm tactical nukes?”
"Strongly agree"
Stupid Americans respond: “nukes are our second amendment right!”
@@demetriusmccray1574 tru tho
@@demetriusmccray1574 still pissy about we overthrow y'all's tyranny?
*donald trump has entered the chatroom*
I'd rather them talk about agree to disagree than to never talk at all. This dialogue is important for people too advance society in a positive light.
"Tasers don't kill people" except when they have pre-existing medical conditions that can result in death after being tased...
When did I ask
No way dude, tasers will TOTALLY cure my epilepsy.
Tasers definitely kill people and you don't even need pre-existing medical conditions per se. For example, if you get tased after not eating for a day or having a really poor diet (which will lower your blood sugar, hence, causing other problems) is enough to kill you.
Ppl don’t die from tasers they die from the fool hitting head etc
dude if a police officer has to tase you you did something very wrong and in 99% of the cases you deserve it.
Should have been 4 times longer than it actually was..how much footage was wasted?
Yeah. no good answers nor explanataions......
Yeah. This is a wonderful thing that they're doing, but they're crippling it by fitting it to the optimal TH-cam algorithm length.
@@dudewaldo4 Optimal youtube algorithm length is 10+ minutes. TH-cam prefers watch time over likes and views with it's current alg.
@@QuicklyFast Sources?
That's what my gf tells me :(
I think the OG deserves his own reality show..
Fuck that he should be in a movie.
Guys, guys.... You're both right!
@@miniduke8568 movie is worse than a show lmao
@@epicmealtimefan93 😂
He’s a pussy give the cop a movie
That og you say is about as hard as a wet noodle
Old Cop: 🤔
Old Robber: 🤔
Both: *Nahhh we're too old to fight lets just have a drink 😁*
Nah mate, thats the Bri'ish for you.
When you can have a pint, take it.
I feel like people fail to realize that the world is full of gray areas
But I don't think it matter, in my opinion atleast. The reason I say that is because the law , rules, system etc. Is black and white, it doesn't care about gray areas.
@@mike_384 not saying you're not wrong, just pointing out that maybe the black and white of the law is... Too strict at some points
@@ProfessionalHeathen I agree
Nope Bud.
You are in a Gray area of you are weak, insecure or a robot.
@@hofame198 I agree that's the social norm, but I believe a man who relies on extremes will never be able to see the good of both sides of the coin
I want the full uncut of this.
for a fee of course
That’s disgusting
The cut outs are where Noel goes bezerk at some of the questions and ‘excuses’ and the 14 officers out of the shot jump on him and syringe shot him to calm him down
What are these replies
Adam Taylor shut up lol
"You look quite familiar to me"
That was so intense it almost sounded like a threat.
Wait... I know you !
@@MoRahVeya you have commited crimes against skyrim and it's people, what say you in your defense?
@@ayatovevo Then pay with your blood !
@@MoRahVeyaYou never should've come here!
"Tototototototot"
-Sans
i like how theres a moment where you can see both have very differing opinions and something to say, but the officer smiles and says go on. both of these men conducted themselves so civilly and were willing to listen to each other. very cool.
You can’t not love Noel.
A true old school Londoner, very dangerous but with great morals.
Well he used to be a bad person and he admits he really hurt people but the growth to accept that shows that people can always change for the better.
stfu
@@inam6200 no
@@meesterpitta you wouldnt be saying that if he killed your dad
Inam who you talking to little girl ?
They both have something very similar, they look tired from their profession
no . they have both been took for cunts by the system by something sold as a profession by the system
I agree with you and Rees at the same time. The way I would word it is when they both got into their polar opposite professions, they believed in what they were doing. Age and experience has opened their eyes just that little bit more to see that there's something very fucked up in both situations. And it's because they needed to see the other person's perspective.
300th like uwu
XD
@B.J u
"Going litteraly insane from 9 months of solitary"
"But budget cuts are stressful!"
He was locked up for a crime
@@BennyH11 that wasn't the question numb nuts.
@@jamesdonaghy1944 Not my point numb nuts!
Ben Hunter just because someone was locked up for a crime doesn’t mean you should make them go insane.
@@SmackcrackIV I wasn't making that point either fatso
I like this, its like they are old pals, and they are being very respectful to each other, a real debate between 2 people who are speaking from experiences they have had, from 2 perspectives of the law
Jubilee: "You look quite familiar to me"
LADbible: "I certainly know of your name"
BlackCheezit am actual golden comment
that is very much adequate
lol
Hate this.....as soon as the conversation gets good they cut away??? I want an uncut version
Yes! I really wish they would spend like a good 5 min on each. You could tell both had way more to say on most question.
ikr this is some bullshit
This was made for zoomers.
Thanks for the warning, I wont be committing my limited lifetime on this video.
CrazyCircles1 what does that even mean
5:00 that was an tense 4 seconds
More tense than constipation
The police only made a move once the bank robber take his initiative. So... there's a bit dishonesty there.
A*
This is how a Presidential Debate should be. Nice, calm, and civilized. Biden and Trump just made a fool of themselves, they looked like children. Sorry if I offended anyone by my comment but it's true.
The headlines read two cranky old men arguing (this is a joke)
Stop saying sorry for your comment, if someone doesn't like what you said then they can look away cant they?
@@danielGTFO Sadly, in todays world, no one does that.
Yup, have em have a beer and talking at a roundtable
No actually, Biden was civil. The fact that you’re trying to say he was on the same level as Trump is ridiculous. You sound like a fool.
Using the phrase "You need to" immediately puts the other person into defense mode, and anything you say following, will only close them off even more.
"You need to understand that." Watch how he responded with "I do understand, and I disagree." Immediately digging his heels into his beliefs even more.
That’s a very good point/observation.
Yeah he came off super condescending when he said that. But that’s because he’s police so he automatically has that “I have the authority to tell you how it is” attitude
No. its just that he didnt think he was educated enough to UNDERSTAND. When he talked back He was letting him know yeah been there im past that now let me tell you what ive learned based on that understanding. Its not about convincing him thats manipulation its about UNDERSTANDING the different sides and pov’s. The officer was just stating a pov.
@@josehenriquez3274 You just did the same thing. Starting with "no" immediately tells everyone in the conversation "you're wrong before I even explain anything." And that's a terrible way to start anything. Particular neurotransmitters in the brain that process speech sound off alert signals when they pick up on certain words or phrases. Assertive phrases like "you need to" and "no" trigger authoritative interactions. Now you're in the mind set of "I have to defend myself from this dickhead, and I'm not budging on my point." Meanwhile phrases like "it sounds to me like-" is REALLY "I'm far more interested in what I think about the topic than what you just said."
What I'd like to respond to you with is "learn some communication skills and then come back." Because of the way that you responded. But I'll instead say "That's an interesting point. I'm looking at it from a negotiation point of view, and it seems like we're both hinting at the same conclusion."
See how I did that? Way better than "I think we're both just saying the same thing." Which REALLY means "I'm right and you're agreeing with me without even realizing it cause you're just that stupid."
Mike Duncan the word no triggered an authoritative action to YOU. The word no can be a reaction to many things but it has almost nothing to do with authority but more of a choice, but what it triggers is your problem. Thats personal. Now if you cant have a simple conversation with someone without taking simple words personal...then maybe you should keep studying the art of conversation and partake in them a little more often so you can improve your own communication skills. Phrases like “it sounds to me like” are clearly words of reassurance. “Im going to tell you my pov of that” and you will respond to me with “yes youre correct or no thats not the painting i was drawing out.” Its simple shit youre overanalyzing truthfully. You made a statement wich was true initially in your comment....but you didnt prove it with a fact....you proved it with an opinion based on an observation that has nothing to do with the statement itself when the conclusion has already been reached. And you know better than to name call during a conversation even if youre hiding it under a parentheses come on. Youre better than that
All the Americans are watching them argue about Taser abuse like 🙄
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Lol
Lol, abuse. Media over exagerates everything. Not as bad as they make it out to be, and guess what, if you listen to the police you won't get tased......weird!
We taser ourselves for fun
If a taser doesn’t work, taser doesn’t work.
@Krista Star you mean mental illness.
Who else keeps forgetting to read the question and has to skip back
yep me
Ollie Pope lol I just did that as I was reading ur comment
I'm always lost thinking about what they just said, I don't even see the question
HA HA HA HA HA
Yup
I love seeing two people that disagree being mature enough to sit and have a beer together
Officer: "So you'd rather they have guns?"
Officers in the US: ...
I'd rather the officers have guns.
Private Private why? that’s just gonna cause havoc. for example, America. black people getting shot everyday for doing virtually nowt. idk about you but i don’t really fancy that here
@@PrivatePrivate-do2on until they abuse their power and start killing innocent people like in the us
Guns are fine on officers. Every officer knows what a gun is and what it means to fire it. The good officers will look for reason not to use their gun and the bad ones will just start shooting. That isn't going to change.
However, the situation gets a lot more complicated when you give an officer a less-lethal weapon. Officers know where to draw the line on whether or not they need to shoot and kill suspects. Tasers on the other hand are not advertised to have such significant effects.
Imagine a situation someone is resisting a lawful arrest. This suspect is not being violent but they are still resisting. This type of case does not warrant the use of a gun. However because the officer's training says that tasers don't kill people they feel like there is no harm to skipping all attempts of deescalation and just tasers them. The suspect then ends up dying due to heart complications with the taser. Nobody is disputing that the suspect deserved to be punished for what ever crime they may have committed, but they didn't deserve to die for it. Even the officer that killed them didn't want them to die. This type of situation is exactly why some people would rather officers not carry tasers with them at all times.
I know myself. I don't fit into the type of people that officers feel threaten by appearances. Additionally I will never do anything that causes an officer to want to shoot me. However I am not certain that I will never annoy an officer. Maybe one day I meet an officer that was already having a bad day. Maybe one day I'll be having a bad day and end up not respecting an officers orders as well as I should. Or maybe one day I'll get drunk and stupid in front of the wrong officer. In any of those cases I just hope that I don't become one of the "acceptably rare" statistics of when tasers do end up killing people.
@@3103-q6z black people didn't get shot every day. Also though I somewhat agree that's a more of a the person / institution problem
americans watching this are just chuckling
You are absolutely right.
@@bloodrival2 ya smh the "victim" narrative is real
And that makes you what....cooler? Want a medal maybe?
with two guns in the same room
Yes
“you look quite familiar to me”
Oooh shit😱
The problem I often come across is that most police officers I've encountered (although not all) came from a somewhat comfortable background- Grew up in a suburban area with a nice garden hedge and with a clean slate. Where as most people who get involved in crime usually have their own reasons - No parental guidance, neglected at school or don't have a descent education to get a better job but still need to feed their family.
For example drug dealing and prostitution is a crime, but I have still yet to meet a happy junky or prostitute - I know some of them enter it for greed, but others out of desperation.
UK police: Tasers and Stun guns are potentially lethal weapons, so they are illegal to buy or own in the UK.
Also UK Police: "Okay first of all, tasers aren't lethal thats exaggerated".
They mean lethal if people without training use them because people will just let off a taser into your head purposely trying to kill you
@@user-kh9nd9iv2t bottom line is, the police in the UK would rather you take a beating, or allow your home to be invaded, than to have you defend yourself, its pathetic. Its also hypocritical, because i live in the UK and own a fully functional sword, but a close range stun gun is "too dangerous", please , dont make me laugh 🤣🤣 The law in the UK is a joke, and the way i see it, if my home gets invaded and the invader ends up impaled on my sword, or stabbed with a kitchen knife, thats partially the laws fault for not allowing safer methods of defence, period. The law here act as if you should allow criminals to walk all over you and leave it to the police, who are 9/10 useless in my experience. And they wonder why London and other UK cities are absolute cesspits full of degenerate scumbags.
SSMemeStar you do that and you’re gonna get sentenced for murder and if you don’t kill him you’ll have charges pressed on you but I know what you mean mate it’s bullshit the most you can do if you want to get the police involved is hold down the offender
SSMemeStar and owning a sword is safer than owning a taser which is why it’s ok
Is a sword really safer though lol? I mean sure tase someone in the head as you say and its dangerous, but most people wouldnt be doing that, jabbing a stun gun into someones leg/arm/stomach im pretty sure is less lethal than being impaled by anything lol
Did the officer just say prison guards have a worse life than prisoners? He’s trippin
Yeah thats absolute bullshit
speedosausage and those people have to spend their life in a jail cell, no sense of security and no home. And at the end of the day, prison guards get paid to do it. The prisoners just have to spend the rest of their lives without no meaning other than rotting themselves away in a dump. A prison guard might be surrounded by these people, but so are the very prisoners themselves. The prison guards also get to go home and see their families. Saying that prison guards have it worse than prisoners is really stupid.
@speedosausage That's not how it is 'in the states'- that shit almost never happens. Sure, being a correction officer can be pretty unnerving, but the amount of danger you're in is astronomically less in relation to prisoners. Do correctional officers get raped, killed by rival prison gangs, or blackmailed? Do they have to sleep on a bad mattress with someone in their cell that can physically or sexually assault them at any time? Are they not able to see their friends and family often? The answer is no. Correctional officers don't face half the shit prisoners do.
The stuff you're talking about is fiction or exaggeration by movies, television shows, and books.
Don't know what the ex-convict gentleman was talking about with the tasers. All officers (at least in the United States) have to be tased themselves before they're able to carry one. All officers are trained to use tasers. Tasers are only responsible for 24 deaths, none of which were due to the actual taser, only either the fall or fires caused by the electrical spark a taser gives off. (quick google search, correct me if im wrong on those statistics. either way, tasers almost never kill people, and if you consider the fact that officers would be forced to use more lethal methods, fatalities from gunshot wounds could hypothetically increase).
As far as I'm aware, in the United Kingdom conditions in prisons and requirements for tasers are very similar.
I don’t know, I was sentenced to 18 months as a screw..
@@srenaml3632 Maybe they shouldn't have fuckin killed someone then, simple as
That was REALLY interesting. I liked the ending where they both agreed that they would be happy to have a drink with the other person.
That was a great video!
LAD bible, you show great content!
Yeh that what you call being polite.
@@slippinclippin1859 Why shouldn't he? They both seem to be nice people, and I see no reason they can't get along. It's not "being smart" if he *is* acting how you describe, it's just being a dick. (But I'm sure that's not the case)
UK: "Should cops have tasers?"
US: "Lets give cops tanks!"
Russia: "Let's give them nuke!"
Norway : 👀
cops dont have tanks bro
cops dont have tanks
Pretty sure the NYPD has a submarine lmao
I searched for Minecraft: Cops vs Robbers, but I found something greater.
Indeed
Robber sounds like tom hardys character in peaky blinders
@@saintbarnabasshackles2437 no, Polly...
Ser Bronn wop*
He's got a London accent, that's about as far as it goes.
Well he does have the cockney accent if you would Adam and Eve it
Josh Ford Ehhh they have the same accent but they sound way different
They should pair the cop and a criminal they've arrested.
bad idea but a cool movie idea
@@trash_atlife2439 well I guess that's why you're trash at life 😂
@@trash_atlife2439 its already a tv show, white collar.
Yep then like drop a loaded gun from the roof, see what happens
@@csyd22 I like it!
To completely disagree with someone, and yet engage with them with respect, grace and honesty, is a superpower.
The format is great but give them longer than 25 seconds to break down HUGE arguments that have puzzled people for decades.
Joey C they probably have longer discussions, but it’s cut out to make the video shorter. Why they want it so short idk
I think what they did was good. Like you said these discussions have been going on for decades but every discussion is long and drawn out then submerged by opinion rather than fact. Breaking it down to 25 seconds from experienced individuals gets the main point across in a few sentences. It’s those who have never experienced these issues or were the victims of such issues whose opinions trump those professionals actually involved (by means of offending or protecting). It should only take a few words from the wise and experienced to shift an argument. That’s my perspective at least but I respect your POV as well 👍
Hey 25 seconds more then in anny political debate.
Side note: I would actually like to see the raw fotage.
Autumn-Marissa McClounie I disagree with you. A few words for major arguments like this simply isn’t enough. All they do is state their opinions and barely back it up. Neither one of them has time to counter an argument, then Counter that argument, etc. they also don’t have any opportunities to introduce proof into their arguments which is a key aspect to any debate. Idk about you, but for me to believe something I generally need proof. Not saying I need a whole scientific study, but 24 seconds isn’t even enough time for a firsthand account about the subject they’re debating about.
If only people held those standards to more then youtube videos.
lmao when the robber says the system is wack the cops always like
"well yeah but like, not always"
Scotty2Hotty 1 Regardless These incidents still happen so its important to admit that
Yeah the guy used to rob people. The cop is certainly the bad Guy here...
@Jackie Tearie yeah. I call bullshit. Where do you live so i can look up these supposed shootings and supposed "police violence"
Yes there are flaws but without law and order and the police we would end up in a dystopian society
@Jackie Tearie but, here's a question - is that unprovoked? Or is that because it's a rough area there's constantly situations that require force, which leads to more casualties?
Especially if you're talking about the USA, where basically anyone could have access to a gun.
Robber: I don‘t think every cop should carry a Tazer
Usa: I don‘t think every cop should carry a MG
Sane people in USA: everyone that has not commited a crime should have the right to fire arms
@@lordcommissar7813 do you disagree?
@@lordcommissar7813 sane people in Australia: *We need our guns back!*
@@deputydang8291 I'm pro constitution freedom of speech guns and religion is under attack right now and it needs to be protected
@@lordcommissar7813 I agree 100 percent my friend.
Robber: officers shouldn’t have tasers
Me an American: next you’ll say they shouldn’t have tanks
"You look quite familiar to me"
I cant believe the cop didn't realize that was just mindfuckery tactics.
juanme555 how
How
Probably something along the lines of “your’re just like what people think you’re like”
He did... and he deflected it 😂
and the cop responded with "I certainly known of your name" thats a good response.
"Cops shouldn't have tasers"
"Your life changes after you've fired a gun"
America: *Laughs in Second Amendment*
Yeah your life changes, in the sense that you learn to respect the firearm as a tool, and acknowledge the damage it could do if used and an improper way.
American Gun Owners have a terrible attitude towards gun which results in many needless deaths due to not safely storing their weapons from their children and toddlers and from mixing alcohol and arguing with firearms quick results and them shooting their fathers, their sons, their siblings, cousins and so on.
However I disagree that killing someone necessarily always ruins your life. We have too many counter examples. It's going to depend upon the circumstances and the personality of the person doing the killing.
😂😂😂
@@theonethatfliesfiller4098 Or don't fire it at all.
@@alalalala57 that's not really an arguable point, it just depends on the person if you like guns or not. Shooting people however, is a different argument
I swear that this guy's tryna be genuine without saying out loud how much he hates cops.
Edit.: feels so good to have a highlighted yt comment, you guys are the best *-*
He works for then now...
@@bloodfire1989 just cause you work with them doesn't mean you like them
I highly doubt he hates cops, any smart criminal has massive respect for them, it's the most thankless job on Earth and as much as everyone would hate to admit it, police are very necessary and actually do a lot of good, this guy just hates that he got caught and had to do time lol
wait highlighted comments mean something?😂
Colten, with the black knees funny thing is it’s not highlighted anymore, and no not really just means it’s seen by more people
its like when batman and joker talks to each other and starts understand each other
I respectfully agree and disagree with you. I'd say Batman would, but Joker is beyond salvation and rehabilitation,which I strongly feel would be indispensable for any civilized conversation to happen.
@@HasufelyArod That is the most respectful comment i have ever seen on TH-cam. I am proud of you
If you said Vincent and Neil from heat it would be a better example
Joker "We live in a society."
Batman "uuh.. I guess you have a point there?"
It’s nice to see two people from such different and opposing back grounds able to have a civilised conversation, an ability that’s been lost over the years
Pauze at 01:05, can we just enjoy how the left beer perfectly lines up with the wall...
"Whether it is a cop or a criminal, when you're facing a loaded gun, what's the difference?"
One you can trust. other one,not so much
The departed movie quote for sure
The difference is that one of them will get away with it
"You need to be aware what *children* are in the media headlines they are under 18, who's going around stabbing each other to death in horrendous circumstances at the moment"
I couldn't agree more with this and moreover can't describe how strongly right he is
They know what they're doing when they pick up that blade same thing when the cop tells me to get out the car am I gonna get killed or beat up or should I just put the pedal to the floor we all have choices most people that get stabbed get stabbed because of ego
Wow, this was so refreshing. Just two guys having an honest chat and being respectful of the other's opinion. We need more of this.
I love how I immediately sympathize the robber. What is wrong with me, lol
Hamza Jay fuck off
It's because people have an inner nature to feel rebellious. It's a survival instinct.
That's the same reason as why pirates are romanticized in movies. People love to be the villain once in a while
Hamza Jay ok, tell me how cops are brainwashed enforcers and not just people writing you annoying tickets
@@abb5596 are you suggesting that you shouldn't be held accountable for your actions?
he looks cooler, he dresses better
As someone from the US this debate seems like a dream.
@Kobe Bryant Systematic Racism is a fact boi, get your science and data right. There's a reason why most scientist are behind BLM.
@@pierrolosapio1042 I get the movement but at this point it has spiraled out of control and is now being used as an excuse to riot and destroy property.
@@seanlfitch7255 In 93 percent of protests there isn't even any property damage at all. The 7% where there is, it's a small portion of people doing it, most of which aren't actually involved in the movement and just see it as a convenient time to steal. So no, you don't get to write off a civil rights movement because a small number of people happen to be committing crimes at the same time.
@@cameronramsey1416 how do you explain the people burning down police stations and blinding police with high power lasers?
@@daltondurham5942 There have been 2 police stations burned down, an no officers have been permanently blinded. Still isn't a reason to write of a nationwide civil rights protest.
4:57 - when all is said and done, both are still friendly & respectful to each other 👌🇬🇧
Cheers for making series like these. Conversation is key to understanding and if we had so much more of these, people would think clearer, be better people. Keep on keeping on & have a damn good day, all.
he really sounds like alfie solomons i just noticed
I was searching for this comment for way too long
@@joniii096 so was I!
Honestly I think it's just cause most of the actors on that show really pulled off the accents very well.
was looking for this exact comment
Finally! Found this comment!
Tazers sometimes do kill people, but only if they have a severe existing heart condition.
Even so its kinda rare.
Its still better to use a taser instead of a gun. In some situations the taser might not even work on people with thick or loose clothing, or people on drugs, but when it does it saves lives. Many people call the police to commit suicide (suicide by cop) and using a taser in those situations is the ideal thing to do.
@@arapimamilkbottle3076 if he was a suspect and he ran of course they tased him what else were they supposed to do
@@arapimamilkbottle3076 I agree with that but still, its better than using a gun
@@arapimamilkbottle3076 No, you don't. That's a made up story. What was the kid's name? There will be a record if it ever happened. I'll check your lies so others don't have to believe them.
@@arapimamilkbottle3076 Definitely a lie. Be honest on the internet from now on. People won't like you even if you have great real-life stories.
Robber dude kinda sounds like a sober Alfie Solomon’s from peaky blinders 😂
Lmao yes
Thank you. It's the first thing I thought when he started talking. So I opened the comments section to see if it wasn't only me ahaua
That’s what I thought haha, it’s because he’s got a cockney accent, like Tom Hardy
Seen this geezer in the hat on a couple of things. Proper o.g he should be an actor
Letmesee Doh
No, he doesn’t deserve to be an actor.
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 Why?
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 You don't deserve to be on the internet
Achilles Theokoles
When you’ve had your car stolen, then tell me thieves are great
Hoonatic Bloggs who said thieves are great. Hes gangster and tells a good story.
Communication is key. The more we talk with people we deem the "opposite" of us, the better we can understand them.
This guy sound like Alfie Solomon’s from peaky blinders
The “tasers don’t kill people” is stupid, there is a reason why we changed “non-lethal “ to less than lethal”
they rarely kill someone, very very very rarely.
void of thoughts not really, think about how a taser effects someone’s artificial pacemaker
Guns don't kill people. It's the bullet.
Let's go deeper.
Not exactly the bullet... People dont died of getting shot. They died of trauma and blood lost.
Jusnogood 1 how many people have artificial pacemakers
@Prophet Nanosuit Nah, rather shoot those facists.
the most interesting parts are when they agree
“Tasers don’t kill people” - erm I think they can mate
So the police ought to be entirely disarmed so when a criminal attacks people with a gun or knife the police are incapable of intervening.
Tom Pow easy big fella, he’s not saying that lmao.
I think police being armed with tasers is the right step tbh, yutes these days know officers are just other people in suits and usually have a knife so don’t really feel touchable. The uk, London specifically is lowkey in shambles
@@TJLikePiggy Then what's he saying? He says don't have tasers, here's a couple edge cases where people have been killed. What's the alternative? Either allow the law abiding public to carry weapons, or allow the state enforcers to carry weapons.
The point he was making is that it’s the heart problem or the drugs that kill them not the taser itself. One punch could kill someone yet we don’t call for officers to not be able to use their hands
Tom Pow nah mate he said “tasers don’t kill people” disregarding what the other guy said entirely. They do kill people lol. Not once did I say police shouldn’t have them I’m just saying he’s wrong saying they don’t kill people.
Who else now all of sudden is taken back to childhood and wants to play Cops and Robbers?
We use to play cops and robbers on bmx bikes. Chase the robber knock him off his bike.
Also toy guns either dart guns or cap guns.
Zzygyy Same But with paintball guns 😂
The moment they toasted was quite emotional actually
I really liked this one. There was tension but mutual respect. I appreciated their honesty too.
love these find more characters please loving the idea
Lol it's funny how the DC vs Marvel debate got more heated than a cop talking to robber.
LadBible doesn't have a great reputation in the US. Yet this is some of the most compelling content I've ever watched.
These men look so calm. I just wish most people of this generation is the same too
XD
You're asking a recent generation to calm down and mature to the standards of older people thatve had more time to adjust to opinions and let things go.
Plenty of people in their generation are also as stubborn as current generations. It's not about generations, it's just basic understanding of other people. That is something different from individual to individual
You kind of started good until you ended with a 'XD'
@@ethandonnelly1973 hence the XD at the bottom part
@@Gwynbleiddsanity Yeah I'm just expanding on what you started my guy, it's not clearly defined whether you understand the other stuff, and there's always value in a second perspective so I tossed mine in
A cop and a robber drinking beer together
Thanos - balanced as all things should be.
This reminds me of Al Pacino and Robert in Heat. That mutual respect between each other but that knowledge that "you know me and I know you and we both know what would happen if you saw each other in the public"
I am a Correctional Supervisor that worked his way up the ranks. I'm from the Old School era...... we new how to "Talk to...not at" inmates". We understood the "Respect, The Codes, The Line and Bottom Line." I saw a over the years a larger number of officers even trained can not understand or do this, and steadily becoming worse. The true communicator has lived, worked and comes naturally through understanding. The Inmates called me "The Man with a Stick"/The Predator inmate called me "RoboCop"......They knew Behind population I would counsel and chew an officers ass....just as fast as an inmates. They knew I took no shit....and a fight was OK, but a weapon not tolerated....both would be served due justice protecting each equally. I "was" a big strong powerful man...and yes I used force a few times. But...I lead by being 1st in the fight. I "always felt" I could change the tempo and dynamics of the fight by directly controlling the inmate and officers actions. "I was the Cooler in the situation"...99.9% of the time when I grabbed every inmate immeaditly stopped without retaliation. My older seasoned officers knew my line and when to stop....those damn young officers continuing beyond learned quickly what I didn't tolerate (they were scared and playing Super Hero). I would have a one on one "Counseling session" and that a was that with both inmate and officer. No weapons used..."No Counseling Required"....EVER !!!! If and when I needed to use force,usually always a wall hold or drop.... the inmates never fought me back?? It took awhile but I learned through the grape vine it was "Their Code" to give me.....MUTUAL RESPECT !!! I knew the CODE !!! The inmates and officers both knew I took no shit on either side of the bars you was looking through. The inmates knew I would help and or serve justice honorably to each, or harshly if required. The older seasoned officers and younger "smarter officers" clung to me regardless of shift and situation. The Superhero officers learned to shutup and learn. I have point blank talked to officers telling then to resign and find another job..... before the prison system swallowed them leaving them hollow and alcoholics. In 32yrs.....I Have seen "Good Men" who screwed up destroyed and lost in the system.....I have seen dangerous predators released to the public. I went 18yrs before I "Chose" to even put on Sgt, as I got older I went beyond in rank....today we have Sgts in 4yrs. They haven't even learned the walk...how are they to understand and/or lead if they didn't work the trenches. MAX Life of 32yrs...I walked the walk...RESPECT/The CODE...I never crossed the thin Blue Line....I UNDERSTAND BOTH VIEWS !!
It was nice to see that there wasn't any animosity between them. At the end of the day, they were both just professionals doing a job.
The times where they agreed where strangely satisfying.
-*Dramatic music*
-One of the most chill conversations ever
what is the name of the DRAMATIC MUSIC
Most respectfull and fair debate Ive ever seen. I think they actually had an impact on eachother.
Damn, as a former con thats reformed REALLY hits home. I just wish you'd of put these questions in a different order as the ones you opened up with were *far* better served at the end. I believe the old bill would've been more thoughtful about the tazer and deaths inside questions if he'd have heard what the other bloke had said previously. That being said... this was *by far* the most captivating one of these you've done so far. Good job LADbible 👏
Fuck you faker
@@birdsrule8608 Exactly what i was thinking
*former Armed bank robber
@@birdsrule8608 pathetic
@@kurtisthiele you too for that matter.
It’s also quite telling when you notice how the criminal is always “Strongly” agreeing or disagreeing while the cop is often making use of the moderate options. When the question regarding “Do bank robbers hurt people” comes up, the robber even goes quickly to Strongly Agree only to change his mind suddenly and switch straight over to Strongly Disagree which seems to showcase a tendency to initiate sudden drastic action. These options highlight the difference in personality between the two quite well.
I mean tbh alot of criminals honestly have a far stricter "code" than non criminals ironically. I did alot of fucked shit was I was younger but honestly it was because I never really cared about laws I lived by my own code and part of that was my family comes first and you deal with shit yourself, just those two on the surface purely positive things can get you in alot of trouble these days. Honestly I still think like that but I calmed down when I found out the hard way my way of doing things was only putting my family in danger. Well it took a few years to fully get myself away from being used to that way of doing things after I realized I needed to change but yeah. And truth is alot of criminals are like that they're on the bottom see the system is bullshit and just start thinking in a pure survival my tribe first kinda thought process
Though I will admit I've met some straight shit people who just didnt care about anyone and had no code but their honestly rare....and tend to end up dead honestly
People change opinions. He probably thought he wasn't harming anyone other than the corporations + banks. After seeing his wife go through it hes changed his view.
@UTC 26 The police officer said, and I quote "tasers don't kill people' your own research proves that false, ergo Dahn was spot on when he said one is being honest, one is making excuses.
@UTC 26 Hahaha! What a cop out (pun intended) response by someone who's so stupid they proved their own point wrong in the first place! You're not a clown, sir, no, you are the entire circus! Hahaha!
Holy shit I didn't realize how tense this was until they cheersed at the end and said they'd stay for another drink like I actually exhaled and didn't realize how tensed up my shoulders were
More weapons carried by police, more weapons will be used by criminals.
In Norway the police don't carry guns, they have guns securely locked in cars for certain encounters. They have to get permission to use their guns.
We have do not have a lot 'gun crime' here, even though we have relatively many weapons with tenth place in the world weapons per person.
In 2019 we had 5 murders, 20% more than average.
Our closest neighbor Sweden,which is very similar to Norway in most ways, the police have guns. They had in 2019 44 gun related deaths.
Sweden has just under double the population of Norway, but around 10 times as many gun related deaths.
USA had almost 40000 gun related deaths in 2017, but 'only' around 40% was murders so approximately 16000 deaths.
Thats 3200 times that of Norway with 60 times the population.
England had almost 6 times as many deaths by shooting than Norway, but with 10 times the population. The British police don't wear guns except for specially-trained firearms officers, and in Northern Ireland were the police carry weapons.
Some people claim that carrying weapons is to protect the public.
That may be, but in a study from Sweden where 430 shootings was examined, only 1 was to protect a third party.
Norway and Sweden are beautiful countries
Your first sentence was a topic raised at the end of The Batman Begins. Where Commissioner Gordon talked about escalation. Something along the lines of police carry semi autos the criminals buy automatics, and masked vigilantes running around beating people up would bring a new kind of criminally insane to Gotham
lordeagleye I'd say the biggest problem for the uk mainly though is knife crime, there isn't a need for a gun when the criminal doesn't have one either, meaning tasers are able to disarm and temporarily incapacitate their target. But on the rare chance that there is an armed drug gang or terrorist attack, armed police are always useable for that situation if it escalates.
Personally I like Finnish way of doing things. Here police do wear a guns and are well armed, but they are heavily discouraged from using it unless absolutely necessary to save a life and even then they are trained in shooting less vital parts of the body to make the criminal drop but not necessarily die if treated. Yes it is a gamble because a heavily drugged person may not feel the pain/shock and drop in time but so far it has paid off in saving lives, both the criminals and the victims. And every single time a police fires his gun there is a thorough investigation if it was justifiable use of force or not, even in very obvious cases like couple of years ago when a deranged student attacked his school with a longsword and had killed few people there and then tried (unsuccesfully, he got dropped with non lethal shots) to do a suicide attack with it against police. The amount of times a police has to fire their guns yearly can be counted with fingers of one hand and it is always news here when it happens.
@@MaaZeus the problem is when police are armed, the criminals will arm themselves to.
Finland has no more need for armed police than Norway and England. It's just escalating the problem.
Now the Norwegian police are temporarily armed because of 'terrorist threats' that has happened in a European city.
I feel so unsafe with armed police that when i see the police i take a long detour.
Also, this is a pretty cool format. Wouldn't mind seeing more of this.
Tasers dont kill people
Google : im about to end this mans whole career
If you got killed by a taser then you deserve it. Got a health problem? Okay imma rob a store and tries to run from the cops. Cops tased you and youre dead. Maybe you are desperate for some cash and need to rob the store but dont try to fuckin run away from a cop who’s chasing you. Raise your hands and instantly drop to the ground. Dont act like a twat or a tough guy. No matter how big you are, a cop will fuck you up. Theyre designed to fuck tough guys up. So dont try anything stupid with em.
@@Chris-ts2yc "if you commit a crime you deserve the death penalty without trial"
You sound like a boot wax tasting aficionado
dcard228 why fight the cops?
@@Chris-ts2yc have you not been watching the news? A lot of people don't fight and still get attacked. Do you imagine those kids that were shot with a taser were robbing a bank?
@@Chris-ts2yc even the worst of criminals are good at heart , as a child you absolutely support police and the justice system with no question , as an adult you understand and respect criminals.
The thing is, the officers usually don’t have anything against you when you get out. The reason they put you to jail is because it’s their job, not because they hate you
Tdub1 how is it wrong, sure I know that it exists dumb and shitty cops but I’m not talking about those, I’m talking about the “real” cops, their job isn’t to hate you for what you’ve done
@@tdoubledub1 you are an idiot, I pity you
@Marko Djurdjevic koji to kurac znači?
Nice, I'm enjoying these VT's, keep them coming
"there should be a special trained unit using tasers that is called upon when needed"
-Cop stops a driver
- driver pulls out knife and runs at him
-cop "wait a sec while i call the special taser unit"
- runs in circles waiting for backup
Nono if someone comes at you with a knife, you kill them or try to atleast by shooting because the driver comming at you ain't gonna be gorden ramsey making some nice chicken filet from youre face jaaa
Mexico would like a word
jiiit juat That’s the thing, UK patrolmen don’t carry firearms. They need to request armed response teams when needed.
*Benny Hill music intensifies*
Never heard of pepper spray? Or a nightstick? Hope you dont become a cop, dont think you'd last.
"You know, we're sitting here like a couple of regular fellas. You do what you do, and I do what I gotta do. And now that we've been face to face, if I'm there and I gotta put you away, I won't like it. But I tell you, if it's between you and some poor bastard whose wife you're gonna turn into a widow, brother, you are going down."
Heat?
Needs to be more in depth maybe a half hour kind of thing it was interested but didn’t get chance to absorb much
The fact that they both respect each other is brilliant and they respect each other’s opinions is also brilliant.