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You would think Obi-wan would want to find the high ground, not the middle
Classical Music Nerd He has Moral High Ground
who is this Obi-wan he sounds familiar
Darth Maul he sliced u in half🤣
thottrain._ ‘ ohhhh so that’s why I’m missing my legs
Well hello there.
*politician walks into the room*
War vets and peace activists: *get ‘em*
Haha
Yeah they should get’em, because remember that Bernie Sanders made the hippys spat on the Vietnam Soldiers which is sad
@@smallboto Seems like a hoax
@@s.v.o.579 no not an hoax, Bernie Sanders was an Anti War and Pro Veteran Senator.
@@smallboto if he’s pro veteran then why did you call him sad
“War is young men dying and old men talking”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
He's also a case in point.
Also the line used in the movie "Troy" from Odysseus to Achilles. :) Fun facts?
@Ori0n765x nav Yep he was an asshole for doing that.
@@Cacowninja it was necessary though, they thought that the Japanese Americans were being indoctrinated into a death to America mindset while living in America, it would kinda be like allowing a suicide bomber in your back yard, you wouldn’t let them hang out there would you? It was pretty much the same thing.
@@milospot9124 it was but it wasn’t they took innocent Japanese Americans who could prove they had no involvement with pearl habor
Peace Activist: "I think war is hell"
Veteran: "I agree, I've been there"
Peace Activist: "Than why do you go back"
Veteran: "So it doesn't come to you"
When’s the last time war came to the US?
Kay M we’re in an active war rn.
sleepyjoeb183 we are always at war. The question is when was the last time war was on US soil?
Kay M I misread that sorry most people think our last war on our soil was the civil war but it’s actually when we went to war with Native americans in 1890. Or it’s in WW2 if u want to consider “US military territories” american soil.
@@cleoissoamazimg1627 or 9/11...
This is the only episode where I wasn’t pissed off at one or more people
Frankie Moffatt i was thinking the same thing😂
@Scooters Videos that works both ways actually.
Scooters Videos no actual decent soldier would ever say it was justifiable. Most civilian casualties are unintentional and if they are then that soldier deserves the death penalty unless he has a change of heart
I was pissed off at the guy who was wearing a white shirt he said genitalial mutilation worsth war ?? like how about education asshole
You right tho
You can be a veteran and a peace activist. I'd wager a lot of them are. "Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war."
Well put!
Dali llama would like his quote back
Better to be a Gardner for all of da hoes
In my experience that's not the case. But I have seen peace activists gain more understanding and acceptance for wht we engage in war, for example natl security and snuffing out the biggesst threats at their source
I’m a veteran and definitely not a peace activist. Some people need to be shot and I was proud to do the shooting.
"A true soldier does not fight because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G.K. Chesterton
Depends on whats infront of you
@@linchubbard3711 f g knou
What a strong quote
Big oil and wall street👌🏽
@@dominiccasey7398simple because i would apply logic like for an example if you were fighting terriosts you hate them dont you?
I am currently serving in my country's army special forces, and while I wouldn't say they "brainwash" you, they do break you down completely and remodel to who they want you to be.
I come from Singapore where military is mandatory. Although it isn't as tough as you, but I had to agree they really do break ppl down, but I find myself mentally stronger after that
Uhhh....that's brainwashing my dude
@@tikanni7251 in the military you break weakness. You break ego. You make them realize they are normal people that arent bettee than anyone else. We are equal, you learn that at the army; one guy alone is weak but a group can stand strong. You learn to rely on your brothers, on helping them and you learn what is sacrifice.
They break you down to the basics, out with the ego and selfishness and pseudo entiltenment that almost all young people have.
I believe that is a good thing
Yeah that’s called brainwashing lmao
@@ElHombretheman exactly. I don't get why people don't accept it is brainwashing.
Why is Obi Wan Kenobi on the other side? He’s a veteran general of the clone wars
CRF X 😂😂😂
OMG how do i unseen this XDDDDDDDDDDDD
Best comment on this video 😂
Well the Jedi where peace keepers who only use their power for defence and support but never attack so him being on the peace side would probably fit him more
That’s my boi Adam lol
Feminist and anti-feminist middle ground
THAT WOULD BE SO HEATED
Someone would die
Amy yeah that's great idea. I'd watch that
noooooo
They would need to find the rare species of educated (intelligent) and *respectful* feminists…
It seems a lot of people forget that a lot of peace activists are war veterans.
Take the movie " Born on the Fourth of July" as an example. The dude enlisted in Vietnam due to JFK's speech. He accidentally shot his friend, got ambushed, saw his brothers get killed, and severely wounded to the point of paralyzation. He then did protests and fasting to end the war. HE still does to this day.
Facts.
"We get dirty and the world stays clean. That's the mission" Cpt. Price
Ah, yes. A man of culture.
road to hell is paved with good intentions
yep
@@Tupemo Beggining of the Doom Eternal Game in a nutshell
F for the fallen
"We get dirty the world stays clean that's the mission"
Captain Price
Ima Legend503, you have my full respect
F
i mean its from a iconic game and all but, it is true.
People criticized the game for showing high violence and killing children and women. But that's what war is. That's what soldiers have to do. Many people got to know that war wasn't just soldiers killing each other
legend..you are a legend
I love how the peace activist thank the soldiers instead of being disrespectful
Their non radicals so thats why their so level headed which is great
The fact this surprises you, it shows you're naive and need to get out of your bubble
@UC_EEsGU6AC93bDbSrYUyEeA he never said he was surprised you illiterate fuck.
@@tofueats5346 if it was a common occurrence they wouldn’t have made this comment, maybe you should try using some common sense. It would definitely benefit a moron like you :)
Well a true peace activist would want just that peace to be polite and respectful and to honor people that you've never met true peace don't stop where disagreement begins
"Hatred born in order to protect love... War in order to achieve peace. Only the human mind are capable of such things."
- Madara Uchiha
true that.
Only the human mind can justify such things
"Wake Up To Reality, Nothing Ever Goes As Planed In This Accused World... The Longer You Live, The More You Will Realise That The Only Things That Truly Exist In This Reality Are Merely Pain, Suffering And Futility... Listen. Everywhere You Look In This World, Wherever There Is Light, There Will Always Be Shadows To Be Found Aswell... As Long As There Is A Concept Of Victors, The Vanquished Will Also Exist. The Selfish Intent Of Wanting To Perserve Peace, Initiates Wars. And Hatred Is Born In Order To Protect Love. There Are Nexuses, Casual Relationships That Cannot Be Separated"
@@bambihall169
God loves you having fearfully and wonderfully made you'
(does not exempt you from pain)
He gave you a purpose and plan specific to YOU
@@wannabecar8733 uhhh he was making a naruto reference lmao
@@wannabecar8733 No one gives a fuck kid, this is a Naruto only zone 😎😎😎😎
Politicians use "defend your country" to describe geopolitical opportunities.
True
@Mustafa Merghany So Racism?🤔😔
@@ryangemellaro2856 ??
How?
Can you Please explain what you mean?
"A true soldier doesn't fight because he hates what's in front of him, A true soldier because what he loves behind him."
Stingray that’s an amazing quote
What if what’s behind him is a man with a gun to his head
But if we don't end war then war will end us! Regardless of who's in front of him/her, or what He/She loves behind Him/Her.
Except every war that the US has fought in since WWII has been to further it's own interests and profit. Not to protect the American people. Please realize that the industrial complex is driving these wars, not a need for protection and not a heroic sentiment by our "leaders".
Ah, yes. I also fight for my anime figurines.
“Peace means having a bigger stick than the other guy.” -Tony Stark
Peace for you not for them 😂
Actually, that's Theodore Roosevelt's saying in a letter to Henry Sprague in 1900. The actual words are "Speak softly and carry a big stick." He, however. claimed it was a West African saying. Tony Stark simply restated it (well, the writers did) and changed it to what you quoted.
MrMeraby yeah I know lol I have a couple of biographies on T.R. So good on ya for spotting it! Most people don’t get the reference lol
Big words coming from the guy selling all the sticks.
Nuclear weapons, how should I put it, increased the percentage of peace? WW1 and 2 wouldn't had happened it people had nukes back then. Everybody's scared shitless that nukes get launched. So yeah, bigger stick works. Now wars are fought in places where sticks are top-tier weapons
I’ve also always appreciated how much respect the peace activists had for the soldiers, it’s incredibly cordial and very respectful and wonderful the way they interact
The guy saying the only way to get them to accept our culture is through some sort of violence is terrifying. Just because one culture is different then yours doesnt mean theyre bad. Colonialism is never the answer.
Was looking for this comment. Glad am not the only one to notice it. It's because of idiots like this that we always have wars.
No
So that means you support segregation? I surely do. It's either that or accept that conflict will happen.
@@jackjack4412 ........ What?
@@avaspencer7368 you don't understand culture if you think 2 very different people can cohabitate without conflict.
Compared to most of the other episodes, this was extremely peaceful and wholesome
Big Oof since they really aren’t polar opposites. Because you can be a war vet and a peace activist
And they never passive aggressively insult each other or think they are better than the other group
The rival gang member one was very peacefull too
Bro this was just six peace activists! I didn't see any vets!
@@manfromthemoon815 Wtf? If anyone would advocate for peace, it would be veterans. War is absolute hell and vets know it more than some gun-ho civilian on some nationalistic high
Who else thought that old heavy set man was gonna be a Korean War vet or Vietnam vet?
That’s another point, they should’ve tried to bring in multiple theaters like WWII, Vietnam, Korea etc.
So did i
He probably was in Vietnam and was drafted
WWII? A lot of them are all dead by now. Its veryyyy rare to find a WWII vet
Tehya Lmao Most are above 90 now, and I’m very proud to say that my grandfather who is still alive to day at 96 fought to protect his country and the people he loves in WWII
I have a great uncle who fought in WW2 and he's still alive lol.
“It’s comes down to me or that guy at the end of my muzzle. And I want to come back home to my family.” Made me cry. In the end that’s all it is plain and simple
The Guy at the end of the muzzle also wants to go back home to their parents of wife/husband or kids. They are no different than that guy so why is it okay for them to die?
@@anoni6108 it isn't but it's also a me or them mentality. It's all it is no one said it's okay for them to not go back.
@@anoni6108 dog eat dog world
@@anoni6108 He's not saying it is, it just comes down to who shoots first. If someone's about to shoot me I'm not going to be thinking about his life instead of mine. Fuck outa here
It was his choice to be in that position of him vs the guy at the end of his muzzle.
Honestly the best middle ground I have ever watched, they were all very respectful and never argued and honestly very heartfelt and heartwarming to watch
Suggestion of improvement: at the end of your videos could you please have them talk about what they have learnt from each other during their conversation? We always see both sides but ironically never actually see the participants reach a "middle ground" and getting to hear what they think would greatly improve these videos.
Besides that, enjoyable as always, thank you for the content.
I 100% agree. All we see is discussion and sometimes debates but I don't think anyone is actually taking in the opinions of the other side. I wonna see the change it sparks in them, ya know?
They did in the LGBT one I think
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Was about to say the same thing
Great idea
Best group so far. They were definitely focused more on hearing each other's points, not proving each other wrong.
romeojulietlover cause the issue I think is really less contentious
Yeah this one vs the pro life/pro choice one was much more respectful and they seem like way more understanding people. Definitely wish this was longer.
I like that the fact that even though they want different things, they are still cool with each other. THAT'S ONE STEP TOWARDS PEACE.
I think they all actually want peace not war especially the veterans who know what war is like.
"If there behind you protect them ,if there beside you respect them,and if there in your way leave nothing left" - Spartan code
My fav. video yet. They don't seem like opponents, but more like 2 groups of people with different experiences and wisdoms completing a puzzle. I know that sound super edgy but I dunno how to explain that properly lol
Winterfell 7102 how is that edgy tf
You pulled the words right out my head lol
That was so well put
Winterfell 7102 It sounds more philosophical than edgy, which I don't mind with either : 3
Totally understandable. All people have to do in order to understand is just realize and visualize, paint it out
Obi-Wan’s experience in the clone wars really broke him aye
It even took away his accent.
You'd think he'd want to find the high ground, not the middle ground
Gabriel Cooke you’d think you want to find an original joke not the first one
@@griffinjelly3547 🤭no, i think i like this one just fine, thanks for the suggestion though
Gabriel Cooke it wasn’t a suggestion dummy I called you out for stealing the first joke you seen and everybody knows it it’s literally the first comment
Jocko Willink and Dakota Meyer should’ve been in this video.
That would be useful 😂
Where is Ja, what does Ja rule think?
It is only the veterans of any nation that truly comprehend the absolute horrors of war. Us civilians will never truly understand what happened in that situation until they are inside of it.
“The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
- Douglas MacArthur
Jack Thompson Douglas MacArthur is the same guy who was fired for trying to have North Korea nuclear bombed during the Korean War
@@rorycarroll7297 doesn't change that what he said is true
@@pepenumi4779 that is why he suggested bombing......because bombing does not involve soldiers on the ground....
@@clementinejr5884 then he needs to redefine what he means by saying peace
@tjungblast 00 Japan surrendered because Russia joined the war against Japan and Japan didn't want that. Not the nukes.
I thought this episode would be like 20 seconds long.
Peace activist: I think war is hell
Veteran: I agree.
The end
This is where Patton comes in
@@TheDudeWithTheHatN2 With Jerry Goldsmith playing his theme at the background
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This is one of my favorite groups of people because they all just respect each other and their views so well. I think each one of them just has their own opinion but isn’t afraid to hear and consider someone else’s, and nowadays that’s super cool to see, and it’s sad that it’s becoming sort of rare.
This is such a lovely group of people with big hearts. They're absolutely on common ground
I thought the old man would be a veteran
Me too.
You'd think.
Same
Same. Guess it shows that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.
Same
This was a really good episode, there was no belittling or arguing. Just 6 people understanding eachother, it was really eye opening.
Agreed
Kaylee DuBois 3
Not only 6 people, but 3 GI's and 3 civilians understanding one another
"because at the end of the day it comes down to the guy on the end of your muzzle of you, and I wanna go home to see my family again" wow such powerful words.
This is one of the best and msot peaceful episodes, not to mention that there wasn't really much of an argument because all of them already had a common ground from the moment they walked in.
I am a veteran and a peace activist, they're not necessarily opposites.
Didn't you lose your head a while ago?
I'm an executioner (or I trained and waited for the opportunity to be one) and an anti-capital punishment activist, they're not necessarily opposites.
eddard i don't believe a random war veteran is watching this
@A whiteguy either way
@@XiyuYang he didn't loose his head, but he sure lost his balls and dignity
dude with the long hair and beard is a real one. Out of all of them, when he says that he would die for peace, i believe him
The_Onlyy yea, he dies for peace so an ungrateful person can get their latte faster. People die for faster chick-fil-a sandwiches. Whoo... I love our freedom.
The_Onlyy I think his brainwashing theory is very off, but I understand why he thinks that, it does make sense but i think brainwashing is way to extreme (in other military’s yes brainwashing may be a thing) everything else, I agreed with
Elijah C Yeah. I think for that question their answers come down to what each of them think brainwashing is.
even the old guy
For he is Obi-Wan Kanobi
I wish that video was a bit longer, they all had such good points to bring to the table, fascinating to see the different perspectives. Make a part 2? Pls
It's so easy to say something when your safe at home with a full belly.
why doesn't jubilee make a page where people can keep talking about these topics? It seems like the next logical step into making this something bigger.
Assasin Potato great idea
I think the whole point is to curate actual human connection on topics have a hard time communicating through the various shallow mediums of the internet. If it inspires more channels and people to sit down and talk face to face about difficult topics, I think that would be more productive.
nah it'll be tumblr all over again.
@@doubledowndanfilms Not really because if we're being realistic TH-cam comment sections are not going to be as civil and will only create negative discourse.
@@TheMento98 there will always be negative people, where they do it doesn't really matter
Here's a statement they could ask:
Military is for defense, not offense.
smnr wellll that’s not necessarily true. To prove my point, military’s invade country’s not just defend theirs.
@@fayez_06 I fully agree with ya
The only country I know that could be said for is Japan between 1945-2014ish, Switzerland and maybe Sweden.
@@fayez_06 that's not necessarily his stance. He was offering it up for debate. Personally, I believe they should be only for defense. But should be and are can be be two different things. Reality is sadly different.
True but sometimes the best defence is a strong offence
A great video, it was so cool to see the 2 groups shaking hands and being good to each other at the end. It seems a s though even though they are from diffeent sides they kinda share similar goals - to live in a peaeful world.
Thanks for making and uploading the video. Was well worth watching. : 0 )
Surprisingly civil. As usual, I wish I could see the whole thing.
I feel like you should make longer versions of these. I feel like debate or discussion isn't really made when these are just ten minutes covering several talking points.
Taylor Mann a lot is cut out
Sure, but I’m sure many people would love to see the full discussions. On the other common ground episodes there’s an alarm when their talking time is up, which I feel often stops the conversations right when they’re going somewhere which halts the point of these things entirely.
Taylor Mann I agree, like "if you want to see the full hour, you can watch it here" instead of the gems from the decisions...
Well TH-cam has this thing with 10 minute long videos. But I agree topics like this should be 15 - 20 minutes long or at least have part 2
WYNOLLO TV TH-cam isn't the only web streaming service, it's just the most well known and is owned by Google, so really I think a directors extended cut would be a fantastic idea, because you can still have two hours of audio steaming, they even have audio meditations and mantras on here that go for eight hours to help you get restful sleep...
I am a veteran. I was a medic. You can go to war and not kill. I'm non combat, however I chose my field so I can " support and defend" and not kill and mame
ok call down hacksaw ridge
lol ;)
Damn real life team-carry
@Arjun and Arnav Menon how did you know?
@Arjun and Arnav Menon i dont have a political opinion. I just watch the vids bcuz both sides look really retarded when they argue and its really funny xD
I need healing
best episode so far i love how everyone got together
this made me genuinely so happy to watch
I absolute love this series. Every time I click onto a video I think, “hm....I don’t know how this’ll turn out” but I have to realize, I’ve watched every video in this series and for the most part I’ve seen mostly wonderful and amazing things that make me as a 16 year old feel good. I never want this series to stop.
David Garcia k
What's your insta?
You wish You knew she’s 15
RunNeSh3 VEVO haha I turned 16 on the 1st
To be honest, you don't need to be brainwashed or desensitized in order to kill someone. A lot of soldiers sent to a war zone for the first time aren't ready to kill and secretly don't think they can kill. But as soon as you hear bullets whizzing past your ear or someone detonates 100 pounds of explosives next to your vehicle, the decision is made for you. It's instinctual to defend yourself. Basically, the military puts trained men in a dangerous situation, knowing that they will have to defend themselves and kill the opposing side. Do this enough times and it's called a war.
Some monsters are born
Still manipulation, which is bad as well, and can lead to worse things
What is this whole comment about and why did 60 people like it??? He just described war in a very Jordan Peterson way.
@Doge Doge He might be good, but how can anyone tell when he doesn't actually say anything?
Some people will not pull that trigger even if they are in danger. Someone who has thought about the scenario over ad over and has had to pull that trigger over and over until it's muscle memory would be more likely to do it in the moment.
I really like the concept of bringing different perspectives together .very stimulating for constructive thought on the subjects .that goes for any aspects its applied on .
Really nice to watch this - People understand and respect eachother
Being against a war is not being against the soldiers. Peace activists want to bring home our heroes from wars that we don't need to be in.
soldiers join the army to "close with and the destroy the enemy", not to stay home.
@@michaeljauernig4170 I agree, but only when we have a real enemy to fight. Their job is to protect the country.
Yet look at how americans treated Vietnam veterans.
@@michaeljauernig4170 Soldiers join the army to be USA pawns. USA do it for the money not freedom
@@luistacoz they actually don't make that much
I am old (70+) and a Vietnam veteran. War is an abomination. There was no "homecoming." Just years of being alone an fighting the demons most of which were there before I knew it. I have six children and 16 grandchildren. When I was diagnosed with PTSD one of the first things I did was call my children and their mothers and make amends (as the term is used in a 12 step program). I would have done anything to not have them grow up with the specter looming over us. One of my children is still on active duty. There has got to be a better way to do this. And hopefully one that leads to world peace...
thanks for the ultimate sacrifice you gave to our country.
Without war there cannot be peace. There will always be evil trying to destroy peace. We must forever be ready to destroy evil.
I love all of these vids..putting it all into perspective. Thank you
Do one between the veterans and locals from countries they invaded.
Most of them are pro usa but not all. They are being killed raped oppressed by the radicals in charge. That’s why a bunch immigrate here.
Not a lot of uh... "invasion" going on recently? The veterans you're looking for may be a little too old to shoot a video.
@@a.g.5569 Sums up why Afghanistan and Iraq was such a mess. There weren't enough troops to guard the locals, and FOBs were too large and not spread out that whoever was working with coalition troops would face severe punishment from the Insurgents in order to get the populace to stop supporting them.
IMGvillaSRC yeah. I never got to deploy but I’ve heard the stories of how it was a gagglefuck. I did get to meet some foreign translators, they were pretty humble dudes.
CoVPlague country’s destabilized by americas interference
It's strange they bait with the veteran saying he's killed children, then they completely edit that from the episode.
RIGHT!!!!
It’s not click bait if it’s already in the video
@@nestlawatr5643 well it is shown without context only to get you invested in the video. So while it is not the standart case of clickbait, it is still some form of bait
He didn't say he'd killed children. He said war is about "kids killing other kids". In this context, "kids" clearly means "young men", for it is the young of the world who are sent to die on the orders of the old.
guys it doesn't matter what he exactly said, the intro has the purpose to invest the audience into the episode and eventually also see the seen the intro is cut out of, but the scene never appears, and that is what the top level comment criticizes, and I can fully agree with that.
Everyone in this video are so sweet, talented, and beautiful!! I love them all!!!!😍♥️
I enjoy it when they find civil people with opposing points of view. When the older man was talking about his group that has been meeting since 9/11 you can tell the veterans were impressed and wanted to hear his point of view. On the other side, when the Veterans talked about knowing people who died in combat the opposing point of view listened and understood what they were saying and why they did what they did. This is a perfect example of two groups of people with opposing viewpoints who were listening and wanted to learn and what the other group had to say.
I love how at the end the activist guy said "Thank you for your sacrifice."
He had to so meathead patriots wouldn't berate him
@@willb4750 lmfao
@@willb4750 that man showed more respect then you
@@hesseldv57 yep
@@willb4750 no he was respectful of them because of what they lost
This is the first jubilee VS episode where it was actually civil between the two parties and not argumentative because they actually understand each other.
Very enjoyable
Noah Wilkens they werent necessarily in disagreement. This isnt 2 fighting sides.
Yeah I don't know very many fellow veterans that aren't also Peace Activists. People who have seen the horrors of war are likely to never want to see it happen again.
I have to disagree with you, Noah. The fact that people may be argumentative does NOT mean that they are inherently uncivil. And quite frankly, if there's no heat in a discussion, the discussion will be boring as hell, because they either have no passion for the issue or they already agree, at which point, why bother with the discussion in the first place.
The bloods and the crips was even more civil
I would say the military has the idea of peace through war. So both sides were in a state of agreement from a certain point of view.
Thank you for doing this. This is amazing to see that two apparent opposite view points when not on social media can realize that they are not too far apart in their beliefs. Make sure you do not try to intentionally try to demonize one side because you have a narrative. But, keep up this work. This prevalent exposure to this kind of partisan topics could save America if it is seen by a wide audience.
I'm so glad I found this channel, this is what I'm talking about!
God, when that fella in the ball cap started talking about how he's just trying to put food on the table and protect the poor guys to the left and right of him...From his position on the bottom rung of all this, that's as noble as it gets. But when you look at the layers and layers of bureaucrats that gave him the choice between this, and seeing his family go hungry...
Nobody should be manipulated or coerced like that. I'm sorry for all his losses.
@Paladonian13 I personally know 2 people who were homeless prior to joining the army. I know a third who lived out of his car. I know plenty more who joined because they had no options including me. As far as pay goes yeah the pay isn't great but it's free food, housing, healthcare and it gives a way to get educated once you move on. If you have no options then it's definitely a way to improve your life and take care of your family if you have one.
It doesn't have to be 'free' OR 'sign your life away to a war you had nothing to do with.' There are lots of options we could explore between those extremes.
I was going to join the military, because I was on the verge of becoming homeless and I couldn’t. I was told I couldn’t cause I was int he muddle of a divorce and going through child custody battles. I lost my home, because I didn’t want my daughter to be homeless I let my ex have custody of her, because I had no family in the area to get help from or fall back on while I get things in order. Years later I realized how bad it would have been for me to be int he military, i already have Complex-PTSD and being there would have put me through a world of hell and likely mess me up further.. but I didn’t go and I still was met with hard times, more traumatic experiences, losing almost everything I own three times in my life. I look back and wonder if being in the military then would have saved me from Financial disparity and homeless, but that train off as a 6 foot tall woman who later found themselves Gender fluid, being in the military may have been more damaging, it might have been more helpful in other ways, but knowing I could be put in places and situation that would make me have to pull a trigger and take a life would have likely been the straw that broke the camels back and I would have eventually become another statistic for veterans who commit suicide.. leaving my daughter even more without a mother if I didn’t die on the battle field.. I have been torn at the thought of joining for years, mostly cause the thought of traveling around the world when I don’t have the means to do so and the thought of getting a college education when I don’t have the means to do so sounds increasingly appealing, but is it at all worth it when your psychological health is also on the line.. the think about PTSD is that weather it’s domestic or from war. We both understand how it feels. I’ve been able to talk to veterans and I describe what mine is like and they say it’s the same for them, the feeling, the triggers, it’s the fear and it floods the whole system and in a single moment we both get each other and I see this look on their face that says “they understand” and “I’m not alone in this” another reason I think it’s important for people to realize the impact of war isn’t just in the moment, but everlasting. Any veteran will have a hard time admitting there is something wrong, but every time I open up about my PTSD, they ask what war I was in and I tell them it was childhood and adulthood trauma or i short hand it with “it’s domestic” and right away they understand I didn’t get mine from war, but that doesn’t mean I won’t understand how being triggered feels or how terrible flash backs are or getting nightmares and not being able to sleep for fear of.. sometimes fear itself. My military friend never felt comfortable unless he could do a reconnaissance of the space he was in and if he hears a noise he feels the need to check it out. He would apologize every single time he did and I told him that it was okay and if he felt the need to check then he was free to do so if it made him feel more comfortable and safe. He always appreciated me for giving him that freedom and letting him know that I would never judge him for that. Veterans need that understanding, they need that freedom to check around corners and make sure the parameter is safe. It’s how they know they’re safe and a war takes the feeling of safety away from you for a very long time, making it hard to relax almost at all.
Pearl Peaceful I was going to join the military but...(excuse excuse excuse)
@@MooMoo69556 Did you miss the part where he said they wouldn't let him... should he have put a gun to his recruiter's head until he dropped him off at boot camp?
This series does what happens way too little these days: Face to face discussions. Many of the verbal conflicts between groups of people escalate because the internet is unpersonal and portraying extreme positions as more prevalent than they are in reality.
Agreed.
yes exactly it has made me more open mined and realise that i need to respect other people and their opinions more cause we cant always agree, but we can still be friends and talk and respect eachother
Agreed. This has become quite an issue in some cases and it's very refreshing to see people realise it and work towards fixing it.
A quote from the opening of Fallout 3 really resonates with me “War. War never changes.
Since the dawn of human kind, when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything: from God to justice to simple, psychotic rage.”
I like how they were respectful to one another and things were kept civil
"I support the troops, not the ones who sent them for oil"
@Loki Animations You got my point
Loki Animations if we are in the middle east for oil then why was gas $5 a gallon at one point. If we are in it for the oil why are 90% reliant on our own oil resources from alaska and the gulf of mexico.
@@Sak-zo1ui You're using logic, that doesn't work against that type of person, because they are by nature illogical.
They didn't get oil
@@mangopedicure3621 nothing they didn't take any oil out Iraq and Afghanistan
Vet: "... and the only way to get them to accept our culture is through some sort of violence"
Peace Activist: "That's dangerous..."
I wish these were longer cause I don't think the vet meant it that way. What I was hearing was that in order to achieve peace the world would have to all come to an agreement and no matter what some people or groups or countries will always have different ideas about what's ok and what isn't. It's not really realistic to think that this African tribe who believes in genital mutilation will just say "ok we'll stop" just cause you asked, so if you truly want world peace you can't really rule out war and violence.
Jessa Watters It also can be conflicting ideologies. "Who are YOU to force me to adopt your values/ideology?" You easily get conflict just from that.
Indy Vidual I read this as soon as he said that 😂
Indy Vidual ahah
That guy gotta go bro. That's fucked up thinking. That's pretty much America to natives.
I am so grateful to find such kind of conversation.
I feel like we didn't hear enough from the veterans, I don't know if they just didn't know what to say or it's simply hard to draw a line but the peace activist were fairly vocal for not having been in those situations before. I'm glad they weren't judgmental cause this could have gone way worse.
The thing is all lot of peace activists were war veterans and experienced the horrors of war and then turned to peace activists
"A dollar a day, and an hour a day."
Damn, so simple but that can really pave a positive path for people
Carl Winslow sorry to ask, but what that mean?
Sioneink Ikr, I feel really stupid that I can’t analyse that.
Carl Winslow sorry but I don’t get it plz explain
Sioneink
It means that if you strongly believe in something/a cause, that you should be willing to put your time and money into working toward that belief.
Think about it like this. Imagine you donate a dollar everyday to a cause or many different causes. If you and 1,000,00 other people did that, places/people/causes would get so much help. We think a dollar or an hour of our time is not significant, but if EVERYONE did.. think about how big that is.
I appreciated the peace activists being respectful towards the soldiers and thanked them for their sacrifice.
This was the nicest argument ever. I would like to see a part 2
Man, I feel like the guy with the cap has been been through so much but didn't have so much to say
(if that makes sense)
john Smith same
john Smith that makes perfect sense honestly
I'm sure they compress a lot of the footage, he may have had more to say, but for time, they took the highlights...
he has a story that for sure but it can't be told with the time given
ugh yes finally someone who understands that sometimes the smartest people just can't get the words right and can't speak up
The bearded peace activist guy seems like the nicest guy ever
Watch the death penalty video. I think the guy with the afro in that is the nicest and chillest guy ever
Mike Ayensu-Mensah eh he’s naive. I’d say this guy is just as nice but far less naive. Being naive also comes with an air of innocence. This guy has a realistic view while still maintaining himself.
/s
he seems extremely nervous with how much he touches his hair and moves his hands
Real life Obi wan Kenobi.
Would you die for world peace?
Me: You had me at "Would you die".
It's just a joke that i thought of when i heard the question, don't take it seriously.
No one cares
@@maxmesa7420 same
A personal problem I see with the "its them or me, I want to come home to my family" narrative is that the soldier chose to be their. The US military does not conscript citizens.
Some don't. A lot of people join for college.
Well not anymore for now. The selective service system is still in place so it's basically a dormant draft.
The thing is if we dont have people choose to do that, then who will? I'd rather volunteer than have to drop my life to go fight cuz of the draft. They are saying that because that is the reality of their circumstance
If we don’t have people who volunteer there will have to be a draft in order to fight a war. The reason veterans say that is because they do want to go home to their family.
@@Pete230 The draft isn't right no matter what.
People get to choose how to spend their time/life/job/whatever.
If a store can't make people work for it then why is the government any different? Because it's big? Because it makes laws? Because it wants you to do certain things?
It still doesn't have any more right or any right to make you work for it than the store does!
Also I'm not risking my life for a bureaucrat. Remember the draft is the best tool for the military industrial complex.
Also wars aren't excuses to take away rights.
Being a Veteran myself, this has to be my favourite episode you've done yet...
Thank you for your service (this channel) it means a lot to me and I plan to share this with more friends, family, and Veteran friends, who are like family...
please do!
Jubilee it's making it's rounds with people I'm connected with digitally... 👍
It was odd because I was expecting the usual "you're all racist" or "all you do is kill women and kids", the usual bollocks you get from "peace activists", or just a complete naivety from them. so it was certainly eye opening to not only see them getting along but to have an actual realistic view of how the world actually is.
ImDBatty1 *VIRAL DOG PENIS VIDEO ON MY CHANNEP*
ImDBatty1 Thank you for your service.
I love this series!
Taurus Brit agreed
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I am a 20 year veteran and I Thank all of my fellow members for their loyal service! teespring.com/vi-VN/thank-a-veteran-march-2018
Taurus Brit You have my astrological sign and my name in your username, weird lol
Same here! The people surprise me all the time with their responses.
“They say truth is the first causality of war.” ― . Captain Price.
The fact that all of them are well mannered is crazy no one is being hostile or aggressive
These videos never fail to amaze me, they are so brilliant. Please never stop making them, they are soo different from the usual TH-cam trash that gets the attention you guys deserve. Big love from the uk ,
So many open-minded people all together, all striving to help the world, one way or another.
Truly beautiful ❤️
I think this is one of the first I've seen where one group isn't calling the others ignorant for their beliefs. Its nice.
I never knew that Obi-One Kenobi was a peace activist.
“We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers”- Mace Windu
if the human race does things like these, i think there will be world peace eventually.
True, but it's "impractical". Say a group of guerrilla warfare guys are fighting to get food for their families. They blow up the gov't buildings, expecting to liberate the country to obtain resources. They gov't counters calling them terrorists.
Say, they stop and have a meeting of the minds. Tables turn south, which leads to someone official getting assassinated. War continues.
Another way to look at this. Say people hate their gov't. Do peaceful protest. The gov't isn't trying to make changes. They get people to change the protestors minds from the inside. They eventually split up.
Another way, say a group of people talk on the internet and really get something started, similar to "Occupy Wall Street", and they make solid changes. But people nonaffiliated with the group say what they're doing is wrong or "evil". Now, a group of "anti-supporters" forms up to suppress this order.
Either way you slice it, their will never be "world peace". Just do what you can for your neck of the woods. If people see a pattern and money-making situation (similar to the birth of the internet/Declaration of Independence) they'll follow the path of less resistance.
Navaros Nope. Because humans have to go through something to understand it. If they don't go through it, they won't understand.
Navaros As long as people want to kill other people there will never be100% peace!!
Shannon Davis Good luck getting rid of emotions! Every liberal argument is based on emotion not logic so good luck fixing that.
Shannon Davis peace isn’t 100% possible it’s just human nature
So beautiful to see the middle ground between these two groups. Proud of our veterans and praying for peace.
Phrased so well❤️
A lot of veterans don't want to kill the children! They are killing kids, and that is horrible... but it's for a reason. Most of the time, all these kids know is that death doesn't matter, but saying that these men, risking their lives for YOUR freedom, freedom to believe whatever you want, and stuff like that are just doing it for the pay check, you apparently haven't seen how much money they actually get, and it's not much for the danger they Are put through. These men aren't having a field day, no they are fighting, and you are just so ungrateful..
I am a 20 year veteran and I Thank all of my fellow members for their loyal service! teespring.com/vi-VN/thank-a-veteran-march-2018
Jason Y. Lee Completely agree
sorry but praying isnt gonna do anything
Getting violent with peaceful, innocent people is an act of barbarism. Getting violent with people who attack innocents is a virtue.
This was a really good one. They listened to eachother
Can we all talk about how they are just sitting in a dark parking lot
moldy bread 666 I know this
moldy bread 666 i was joking
Ahhahah
Waterboarding?
This was probably the most courteous Jubilee discussion I've seen so far. I applauded all 6 of them
“Better to be a warrior in a garden then a gardener in a war”
War : a massacre of people who don’t know each other for the profit of people who know each other but don’t massacre each other - Paul Valéry
"Tread lightly, and carry a big stick."-President Theodore Roosevelt
"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace" - George Washington
We need to start electing military men in the white house again.
@@RallyGal94 agreed. We need another Franklin Roosevelt, a man who doesn't want a war, but will defend his people if a threat felt like getting uppity.
@@RallyGal94 Agree, the only people who choose not to go to war are those who fought in it.
"Walk softly and carry a big gun" Gabrielle Angelos of the blood Ravens DOW 1.