I bought the new Rikon Mortiser model 34-260. This is a video review on it and my opinion. Special thanks to Frank Howarth for inspiring me to improve the quality of my videos.
Hey Man! Good job with your video and camera work. I like your production, shot angles, very clearly done, and you can tell you put thought into the shots and angles as you were making this video. Keep up the good work buddy!!
While I'm not an expert in the shop tools, I really enjoy your informative shop videos and appreciate your production quality. That is some attention to detail and I know the time you spent shooting and editing this. Job well done and I look forward to your future videos, no matter if they have stop motion or not. :)
Excellent video and an honest assessment of this machine. Over many years of maintaining my equipment, it has become clear that many machines come as a “kit” that can become a decent tool with a bit of tinkering, polishing, and aligning. There’s no real fix for poor quality tooling other that buying better cutters. At the price of the Rikon mortiser, it could well be a good value with some better chisels. The X-Y table has caught my attention as a worthwhile feature for sash making, where cutting mortises is the most time-consuming part of the process. Very informative review.
Thanks for the great video.. Your a natural. I might buy one of these. I think your mortise machine stalled because of the substandard bits that came w/the machine. I was reading reviews on Amazon and everyone complained about the bits even when they sharpened them. I hope you do more videos, especially on the Ricon Mortice machine with better bits. Thank again.
Excellent review. Makes me feel better purchasing the PM 719t I just made. From a lot of instructional videos I've see, it would seem you don't have the bit low enough.
It looks like your drill pit needs to extend down more. Bring your drill bit down so it extends about 1/16" below your chisel. you'll be amazed how much better it will work.
Hello, say I noticed in this video that you have Jet Xacta table saw with extension table and the Jet router lift. I have that very table saw and have been looking at different lifts on the market to mount in my extension table. Would you buy it again, has it been what you were looking for. Thanks.
Where can I find that extended rod to use my mortiser machine as a drill press? I've been trying to look for one on amazon and ebay for a long time and I haven't been able to find one. I would appreciate it if you could send me the link to it. Thank you and Awesome video.
Watch out Norm you have some competition in the tool department. Just kidding. I just bought this mortiser this weekend and was wondering how well it worked. It was on sale for $299. Locally and I thought it was worth a shot. Coming with 4 bits and chisels it didn't seem like a bad deal. Thanks for the excellent quality video.
Hey Alan, I'm looking at buying this exact machine, as I would pay about the same, shipping included for this machine as I would pay for the Jet JBM-5 unit here. A few years on what do you think about this machine, I'd really like your feedback. Did you ever find a better chuck? Where did you get your centering rod? Cheers!
I've been busy with other projects for a while and haven't used this much, but when I have it has done the job. If I had to use it more often I'd rather have something with more power and more heft and with a better chuck. But, for as often as I use it .. it is worth the cost (cheap). I do still like the table which is the best part. I think the important question is how often do you need to use it.
@@panofish I have a job coming up where I will need to cut about 170 mortices, but the wood is not hard, it's Basswood... i guess if I got this machine the tweaks you outline would be well worth doing as well as buying a couple of quality bits and chisel sets, I need I guess 5/8" and 1/2" Still looking for someone to ship me the Powermatic PM701, I found it here but it's close to $1200 Thanks for the feedback
Is there any way the chuck could be dismantled to remachine the internal parts somehow? Or possible could the metric B16 taper be changed with a bit of machining to something north American?
I see no easy way to dismantle the chuck. I did research the possibility of changing or adapting the B16 taper to something more common, but that is more than I want to do and can actually create a few extra problems. It would likely change the vertical position of the chuck which may conflict with the housing or the bits. The easiest option is to find a quality B16 chuck. They do exist, but apparently only in Europe or Asia and the shipping qoutes I am getting are very very high.
***** There is a woodworkers store in Canada called Busy Bee Tools and they have a website. I looked and they stock B16 chucks however the quality of these chucks is unknown. I think they will ship to the US also.
As everyone else said, great video production technique! It's now nine years after you made this video, any updated opinions on the machine? The price certainly went up, it's twice what you paid for it now, $600. Found a used one online and was thinking of taking the plunge. Thanks for posting! Mark
I'm confused why the big concern w/ the runout. If the chisel is square and doesnt wobble and the runout/error is small enough that it does not impede the bit going through the middle of the chisel, why the worry?
In my experience... the larger runout causes the bit to scrape the inside of the chisel. This increases friction, heat and noise and I believe it may also affect woodchip ejection. 15 thousandths is pretty huge... I wouldn't drill a round hole with a bit wobbling like that. But, more important to me.. I like things to simply work well. :)
***** .015 is not terrible, probably on the border of being an issue for drilling holes. I still wonder about it within the square chisel. I would guess there is still plenty of clearance for the bit. Just encouraging people watching reviews to focus on performance, not always the numbers. Did you check the runout of the taper itself? Maybe that is the issue?
Marcus Tuepker The runout of the spindle is good. The wobble also causes the square hole to not be a perfect square. There is a dimple on each side of the square caused by the bit. You can see it in the video at 9:32. You can also visually see the wobble at 4:58. Granted everyone has their on degree of acceptable tolerances.
***** Glad to hear it's not the spindle, can hopefully be remedied then. I agree, that drimple/bump on the edge is not ideal, still way better than I can do w/ a set of chisels! Hopefully you're not taking my comments in mean spirit, just enjoy the conversation about stuff like this.
Marcus Tuepker Love the conversation and interest. I am more picky than most. I may use a router with template guide to create my mortises and then use this mortiser (with chisel and no bit) to square the rounded corners left by the router.
I guess the power will still be sufficient, if you sharpen and polish your chisels and bits and your bit is nicely centered. Not sure if there is any easy way to increase power further.
the problem could be the motor not being perfectly vertical to the machine and not the chucks .... try putting a very thin foil under one of the four mounting bolts ... i hope i was able to explain my self .... english is not my forte :d
Nice job on the stop motion work! I think I'll be buying the Powermatic benchtop mortiser for about $500. It costs more, but has a 3/4 HP motor and it's Powermatic, so you are a lot less likely to have to deal with the crappy QC on these cheap machines. Sure, it costs a lot more, but I'd rather have something that I can use instead of something I have to fix when it's brand new. If you keep buying crap products, they are just going to keep making crap products and they are going to get worse year after year. Also, as others have pointed out, at 8:12, your bit is not set up correctly. Finally, I really wouldn't recommend grinding on parts or chopping things up or replacing parts until you've run the thing for a few weeks. If that thing died on your first few uses, you've already voided your warranty. Honestly, if it's so bad you feel you need to replace parts on your first use, send it back. It's only going to be downhill from there.
wait till you see me post "thanks to Frank Howarth, Mark Spagnuolo and Panofish for inspiration"...LOL...thankfully i got the golden standard benchtop mortiser. i havent tweaked mine yet and i learned many things about your presentation. thanks for time.
Did anyone really expect the bits that came with the drill would be any good for $300. I spent $280 on my Fisch Mortiser 15 years ago and it didn't come with any bits. I think they only come with bits now so you can get a feel for the drill before you buy a nice set.
@@panofish Really surprised that they did that without your permission and without an attribution. I can understand why they would want to use that assembly video (it’s an amazing piece of work) but simply to steal it like that is unconscionable.
@@Cooper_42 Yeah, that is weird. Especially for a corporation. Most people that steal parts of my videos are individuals. If they had asked and offered cheap compensation with attribution... I'd probably have said yes.
Panofish you not build an engine with the Mortiser. So don’t snug it up so tight that it hard to move let the table move freely if you off 10th of an inch you never going to no. Remember it wood you doing.
1:30 to 2:47 Pixar worthy material :) I'm speechless. the time involved in the production of this video is incredible. Good job man.
Happy new year! What a great production. Thanks for taking the time to share!
Just what I was looking for...entertaining to boot! Subscribed.
Hey Man! Good job with your video and camera work. I like your production, shot angles, very clearly done, and you can tell you put thought into the shots and angles as you were making this video. Keep up the good work buddy!!
I also meant to say I love the special effects that you used on the assembly of machine. Very cool and different from what everyone else is doing.
+Ryan Dacus Thanks! Stay tuned... I am currently working on an update to the rikon mortiser which I hope will fix the 1 problem I had with it.
While I'm not an expert in the shop tools, I really enjoy your informative shop videos and appreciate your production quality. That is some attention to detail and I know the time you spent shooting and editing this. Job well done and I look forward to your future videos, no matter if they have stop motion or not. :)
Excellent content; excellent quality - inspiring
The ever so clever Panofish!
Loved this video man...
Excellent video and an honest assessment of this machine. Over many years of maintaining my equipment, it has become clear that many machines come as a “kit” that can become a decent tool with a bit of tinkering, polishing, and aligning. There’s no real fix for poor quality tooling other that buying better cutters. At the price of the Rikon mortiser, it could well be a good value with some better chisels. The X-Y table has caught my attention as a worthwhile feature for sash making, where cutting mortises is the most time-consuming part of the process. Very informative review.
Thanks. When I have the time, I will try to install a collet system to replace the sloppy chuck. A collet setup will.have no runout.
Thanks for the great video.. Your a natural. I might buy one of these. I think your mortise machine stalled because of the substandard bits that came w/the machine. I was reading reviews on Amazon and everyone complained about the bits even when they sharpened them. I hope you do more videos, especially on the Ricon Mortice machine with better bits. Thank again.
Excellent review. Makes me feel better purchasing the PM 719t I just made. From a lot of instructional videos I've see, it would seem you don't have the bit low enough.
cool video with the stop motion ;)
You seems so knowledgeable woodworker 👍✨
It looks like your drill pit needs to extend down more. Bring your drill bit down so it extends about 1/16" below your chisel. you'll be amazed how much better it will work.
has this worked for you panofish?
You need a cone for sharpening chisel . Thanks for the tool review
Hello, say I noticed in this video that you have Jet Xacta table saw with extension table and the Jet router lift. I have that very table saw and have been looking at different lifts on the market to mount in my extension table. Would you buy it again, has it been what you were looking for. Thanks.
From Italy.... Big. You
Where can I find that extended rod to use my mortiser machine as a drill press? I've been trying to look for one on amazon and ebay for a long time and I haven't been able to find one. I would appreciate it if you could send me the link to it. Thank you and Awesome video.
Can we make mortise on a piece of wood 12x12 inches?
Sir what RPM the machine runs the power of motor.
Watch out Norm you have some competition in the tool department. Just kidding. I just bought this mortiser this weekend and was wondering how well it worked. It was on sale for $299. Locally and I thought it was worth a shot. Coming with 4 bits and chisels it didn't seem like a bad deal. Thanks for the excellent quality video.
Marty Lawson Thanks Marty... I thought the same thing ... for the price it's hard to go wrong.
Hey Alan, I'm looking at buying this exact machine, as I would pay about the same, shipping included for this machine as I would pay for the Jet JBM-5 unit here.
A few years on what do you think about this machine, I'd really like your feedback.
Did you ever find a better chuck?
Where did you get your centering rod?
Cheers!
I've been busy with other projects for a while and haven't used this much, but when I have it has done the job. If I had to use it more often I'd rather have something with more power and more heft and with a better chuck. But, for as often as I use it .. it is worth the cost (cheap). I do still like the table which is the best part. I think the important question is how often do you need to use it.
@@panofish I have a job coming up where I will need to cut about 170 mortices, but the wood is not hard, it's Basswood... i guess if I got this machine the tweaks you outline would be well worth doing as well as buying a couple of quality bits and chisel sets, I need I guess 5/8" and 1/2"
Still looking for someone to ship me the Powermatic PM701, I found it here but it's close to $1200
Thanks for the feedback
@@TokyoCraftsman Good Luck Stu!
Is there any way the chuck could be dismantled to remachine the internal parts somehow? Or possible could the metric B16 taper be changed with a bit of machining to something north American?
I see no easy way to dismantle the chuck. I did research the possibility of changing or adapting the B16 taper to something more common, but that is more than I want to do and can actually create a few extra problems. It would likely change the vertical position of the chuck which may conflict with the housing or the bits. The easiest option is to find a quality B16 chuck. They do exist, but apparently only in Europe or Asia and the shipping qoutes I am getting are very very high.
*****
There is a woodworkers store in Canada called Busy Bee Tools and they have a website. I looked and they stock B16 chucks however the quality of these chucks is unknown. I think they will ship to the US also.
***** Thanks... I will consider it as an option... when I have some spare funds. :)
good review. Some lee valley mortising chisels and a better chuck would help lots.
I bought 1 lee valley chisel and unfortunately the result did not improve at all. I really need to find a higher quality B16 chuck.
Any updates please?
More ko 1pc mechin chahiye plz uska price kitna bataeiy
Auger bit needs to be a bit further out from the chisel
Good morning sir how much this unit
What is the price i need upto 25 mm bite
As everyone else said, great video production technique! It's now nine years after you made this video, any updated opinions on the machine? The price certainly went up, it's twice what you paid for it now, $600. Found a used one online and was thinking of taking the plunge. Thanks for posting! Mark
Yeah, inflation is very noticeable for woodworking machines like this. I still have it and I think it is still worth it... just need good chisels.
@@panofish Thanks for the quick reply and advice! Cheers! Mark
Olá pessoal, gostaria de saber o valor dessa máquina?
How much runs Indian rupees in Indian rupees sr
Sir ji kaha milta hai ye mashin
Bom dia a todos! Gostaria de saber o valor dessa máquina?
I'm confused why the big concern w/ the runout. If the chisel is square and doesnt wobble and the runout/error is small enough that it does not impede the bit going through the middle of the chisel, why the worry?
In my experience... the larger runout causes the bit to scrape the inside of the chisel. This increases friction, heat and noise and I believe it may also affect woodchip ejection. 15 thousandths is pretty huge... I wouldn't drill a round hole with a bit wobbling like that. But, more important to me.. I like things to simply work well. :)
*****
.015 is not terrible, probably on the border of being an issue for drilling holes. I still wonder about it within the square chisel. I would guess there is still plenty of clearance for the bit. Just encouraging people watching reviews to focus on performance, not always the numbers. Did you check the runout of the taper itself? Maybe that is the issue?
Marcus Tuepker The runout of the spindle is good. The wobble also causes the square hole to not be a perfect square. There is a dimple on each side of the square caused by the bit. You can see it in the video at 9:32. You can also visually see the wobble at 4:58. Granted everyone has their on degree of acceptable tolerances.
***** Glad to hear it's not the spindle, can hopefully be remedied then. I agree, that drimple/bump on the edge is not ideal, still way better than I can do w/ a set of chisels! Hopefully you're not taking my comments in mean spirit, just enjoy the conversation about stuff like this.
Marcus Tuepker Love the conversation and interest. I am more picky than most. I may use a router with template guide to create my mortises and then use this mortiser (with chisel and no bit) to square the rounded corners left by the router.
My latest youtube video... let me know what you think.
a good well done review of this machine. Can anything be doen to improve the power delivery?
I guess the power will still be sufficient, if you sharpen and polish your chisels and bits and your bit is nicely centered. Not sure if there is any easy way to increase power further.
the problem could be the motor not being perfectly vertical to the machine and not the chucks .... try putting a very thin foil under one of the four mounting bolts ...
i hope i was able to explain my self .... english is not my forte :d
+ItSeemsDark That's an excellent idea to consider. Thanks!
May nay gia bao nhiêu vay.minh can lay 1con
Nice job on the stop motion work!
I think I'll be buying the Powermatic benchtop mortiser for about $500. It costs more, but has a 3/4 HP motor and it's Powermatic, so you are a lot less likely to have to deal with the crappy QC on these cheap machines. Sure, it costs a lot more, but I'd rather have something that I can use instead of something I have to fix when it's brand new. If you keep buying crap products, they are just going to keep making crap products and they are going to get worse year after year.
Also, as others have pointed out, at 8:12, your bit is not set up correctly.
Finally, I really wouldn't recommend grinding on parts or chopping things up or replacing parts until you've run the thing for a few weeks. If that thing died on your first few uses, you've already voided your warranty. Honestly, if it's so bad you feel you need to replace parts on your first use, send it back. It's only going to be downhill from there.
Machine ka price
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wait till you see me post "thanks to Frank Howarth, Mark Spagnuolo and Panofish for inspiration"...LOL...thankfully i got the golden standard benchtop mortiser. i havent tweaked mine yet and i learned many things about your presentation. thanks for time.
Wow... it's a real honor to be included with those guys. Thanks.
how much
That mission praise
Machine rate
Srinagar press set
Price ka ha bhi
Plz tell the price sir in Indian
Did anyone really expect the bits that came with the drill would be any good for $300. I spent $280 on my Fisch Mortiser 15 years ago and it didn't come with any bits. I think they only come with bits now so you can get a feel for the drill before you buy a nice set.
I like this video so much, but you did break the warranty out of the box :p just kidding ... Good tweaking tips :)
LOL :)
Did you know that Rikon has extracted the assembly portion of this video, and are using it on their channel.
Thank you. I just sent them a copyright notice.
@@panofish Really surprised that they did that without your permission and without an attribution. I can understand why they would want to use that assembly video (it’s an amazing piece of work) but simply to steal it like that is unconscionable.
@@Cooper_42 Yeah, that is weird. Especially for a corporation. Most people that steal parts of my videos are individuals. If they had asked and offered cheap compensation with attribution... I'd probably have said yes.
Muito bom fica o valor no mercado uma furadeira dessa
Batan sir ji
How much cost
I originally bought mine for $300 in 2014. Current price in US is $569. That is a huge price increase over 7 years.
मशिन के दाम कितना है
How much price this machine in India and where meet in India
Panofish you not build an engine with the Mortiser. So don’t snug it up so tight that it hard to move let the table move freely if you off 10th of an inch you never going to no.
Remember it wood you doing.
I'm my adar
BUY A POWERMATIC
spend $300 on a brand new machine, and then a $200 and time trying to make it good. Should have just bought a good one
Glad I could entertain and save you some time and money.
We really don't need to see you cutting the tape and opening the box. We ain't 6 year old.
We are grateful for all the steps shown. Some people, unfortunately, are expecting a video tailor made to their personal quirks.