When snap on came out with it, it was to show how flank drive plus was superior to non flank drive. My rep used a flank drive plus and a standard snap on wrench. Now a days every wrench has some sort of teeth to "bite in". The test was relevant at the time but no longer is.
@@ryanmclain5869Not true on how common the advanced jaw profiles are. Still tons and tons of plain wrenches available right now and being produced. Not even a simple majority on that front.
In my sophomore year of vocational/technical high school auto shop class (1984), a Snap-on rep visited our class. He performed the nylon nut parlor trick using his wrench and our school tool inventory New Britain/Blackhawk wrenches. The Snap-on wrench held and the New Britain/Blackhawk wrenches slipped. It was to demonstrate the superiority of Snap-on's Flank Drive box end versus other wrenches conventional pointed box ends. Both were 12 points. He never tested the plain open ends. At that time Snap-on's off corner loading Flank Drive was exclusive. All other wrench manufacturers had conventional points in the corners except one other. Unbeknownst to us kids at the time (as well as a majority of people), Bonney had a off corner loading design on their box ends and sockets called Loc-Rite. The Bonney Loc-Rite design pre-dated Snap-on's Flank Drive by one year. Due to Snap-on's industry wide reputation and self promotion "they" were the only tool company who offered this feature. The nylon nut parlor trick was not intended for open end demonstrations. Open ends were designed for speed in turning a fastener on/off or to assist holding a nut while unthreading/threading a bolt. Open ends were never intended to be used in high torque situations. Unfortunately there are occasions that necessitate having to use the open end due to accessibility issues. This is where Snap-on, and other quality wrenches, are going to out do the ICON. More than likely the ICON's open end jaws are going to spread and the user will have a sore hand. On occasion I had to rely on my Mac open ends. They held without spreading. The Mac combination wrenches felt better in my hand than the narrow edged beams of the Snap-on. The Mac wrench set also better fit my 17 year old budget versus the Snap-on. I'd still be using those Mac wrenches to this day had they not been stolen. The ICON Vs Snap-on feud is a David Vs Goliath story. ICON won this battle against Snap-on. It was a victory for the weekend warrior, the "little guy", who built his hot rod, truck, racecar etc. in his home workshop. ICON, however, will never ultimately win the war. ICON tools are adequate for what they are. They are a great way for the homeowner/hobbyist or apprentice technician to build a set of decent tools on a budget. Much in the way my generation and those previous to us got our start with Sears Craftsman. I'd like to see one of the well known credible TH-cam professional technicians such as the likes of Eric O, Rainman Ray etc. get equipped by Harbor Freight to test the ICON line on a day in day out basis and see how they hold up in a real world environment. That would be the ultimate test. In the end, it is the mind that directs the tool that makes the repairs. Not the tool itself. Buy the tools that fit your budget and needs.
@@mlieser1230 yep. You nailed that pretty well. I didn’t know the bit about Bonney so that’s interesting. And I agree with you on all points. What’s amazing to me at this point is the shear volume of good options for the weekend warrior sorts. And even the pros have more options now than they ever had before. Thanks for joining in!
@@gtcam723 I forgot to mention that I thought it funny that HF had their big "Parking Lot Sale" after the video came out. Napa also happens to have their Carlyle branded anti-slip wrenches on sale for $105. Both the ICON and Carlyle wrenches are made by Infar and are the same wrench.
Best and most accurate “rant” on TH-cam, in the most recent almighty wrench measuring contest🤣 Plenty of great options out there for all budgets. Great content👍
Just buy what you can afford. Icon is really worth the money to guys like me. I work on things quite a bit, but not all day every day. And i dont make my main living with them anymore. When your entire tool collection goes missing and you're basically retired, it's hard to spend that kind of money on tools to replace everything you had collected. As much as i do anymore, the Icon tools are perfect and will last me the rest of my life while doing the job comfortably well. They're also great for someone just starting out in the tool buying game. Throughout my 47 years, I've found that i dont need the most expensive, biggst and best, to do quality work. But i will not buy junk either.
@@shadow7796 yeah there’s a lot of angles and everybody has there reason for whatever. And man, some sure do get their egos wrapped up in it. Lol also, how many actually need this style of open end wrench? Most are going to be better served with the milder design on the Icon ratcheting wrench with anti slip or the Gearwrench 90t with “off corner loading”
honestly i loved that test only because it got so many snapon guys bent out of shape and raging. At then end of the day though snap on is insnaely over priced and with icon your paying a fraction of the price for 90-95% of the quality of a snap on so is it really worth paying that extra 50-75% to get that last 5-10% of function and quality. Also its a test that Snapon came up with and thats why people are doing it and why the snapon guys are so bent out of shape because it was a test made for and by snapon to show the superiority of their tool and a budget tool beat it at its own marketing ploy.
@@mech0p oh a lot of it has been hilarious. It sure gets attention on the channels too. I mean, I get the original intent against non anti-slip wrenches. But man, so many have their egos wrapped up in their favorite flavor of tools. Now virtually all of the fully US made stuff costs more. And I get many can’t afford that. But we also need to consider if we want to see all tools made overseas or do we want to support US workers? Not saying that Snap On can necessarily justify their prices, I just know that Proto’s (or Mac - same owners) US made stuff sure isn’t much cheaper. Wright and Williams sure seem to be but I’m unclear exactly why that is. Could be by design as there’s lots of things that can be done to cut costs in manufacturing that will sort of fly under the radar. Also, I still want to know who’s using nylon nuts 😆 Thanks for joining in!
@@andrej2321 I just never encountered it until now. This is more a critique of people’s ability to think critically. Who the eff is turning nylon fasteners with these wrenches? Thanks for joining in!
@andrej2321 Its never been relevant then or now. Any test done for marketing doesn't matter, don't care if its done by icon, crap-on or your mom. No snap on owner talks about nylon nuts and their wrenches performing amazing against them. I'm sure Icon fanboys will talk about this test for years, and the ability to turn nylon nuts 🤣. I own both by the way, Infar the actual manufacturer of the Icon wrenches make a great wrench. Wish they didn't have such a weak jaw(spread easy), its clear Milwaukee knew this hence they asked for thicker jaws on their version.
@@andrestnt I don’t have any Snap On wrenches. Yet. I have sockets, ratchets, and pliers. But I need at least one FD+ wrench for some warped idea I have. And yeah, the Icon fan boys are all over it. I mean the Icon, for the money a lot of people recently bought them at, is great mostly because ease of warranty. But I have a question that I’m going to have to answer via abusing one. And a few others. Frankly for the normal money, though probably hard to warranty, the USAG 285x is an attention getter. And let’s face it, Proto and Wright’s entries are no slouches either. At least look pretty 🤣 Dude I almost face palmed at the nylon hex rod thing. I also wondered if every was actually using anti slip version of both wrenches. Lol I also wonder many use open ends when they shouldn’t lol
Fan boy this, fan boy that, Snap-On on, and Snap-On off, FTW! Now, tell the world once more, the weekend warriors, the backyard mechanics, who would have never purchased them top of the line, and mind you, very expensive tools, how a local brick and mortar store in their neighborhood offering fairly decent quality tools at fairly reasonable prices is not a good value.
@@andrej2321 I don’t think anyone said they’re a poor value, especially at the price many bought them at. And, there’s something to be said for the ease of warranty if you’re close enough to a location. I am curious how they fare when they are used hard and how much it chews up the wrench or how far it spreads out of tolerance, mostly for the sake of knowledge. I’m a curious sort that way. Also curious about the Craftsman equivalents though they’re almost scary low price wise (and near as I can tell, not available from Amazon so I’ll either have to go to Lowe’s or Ace.
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As a professional mechanic since the late eighties. It’s taken me this long to replace every craftsman, husky and every other generic tool brand I’ve ever owned and I can honestly say nothing even remotely compares to a snap on tool. They all do the job but when you work with these tools every day for as long as I have. Nothing compares
Hey, thanks for joining in! Yeah, that’s one thing I advocate for is considering the “duty cycle” as it were. I mean “because I can/want to” is certainly reason enough. And there are things I think Snap On could execute better and opportunities I think they’re missing out on. That said, the average home guy is probably served just fine with some of the other “mid tier” brands. That said, even at home I’ve been slowly replacing stuff with the SO items I prefer but also, getting a chance to be exposed to the other stuff out there has been interesting. And it seems the viable options now are better than they’ve ever been (the shit-tier options notwithstanding).
Now I’m curious about these wright wrenches because now that I’m looking at all these tool channels. I’m curious but I just know I’ve had my snap on wrenches since the nineties and used them everyday. And I can’t remember the last time I broke one and actually needed a warranty claim on one in all those years.
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Wright wrenches definitely look awesome but I would be concerned about the shorter length of them for automotive use. I do have shorter length wrenches and I find I hardly ever use them
I think no one has said how many times do you really use those style wrenches anymore,does it really warrant the huge price difference, look I love snap on tools but have hard time swallowing the price at times for stuff I may use a couple of times!
That is always a consideration as well. I suspect it depends somewhat on one’s location as well as what they work on. Especially considering none of these are something I’d want for a standard use wrench. Thanks for joining in!
Tough is probably more accurate unless heat treat is involved, but fasteners tend to be an exception. Likely due to the alloys involved. They’ll usually strip or break quicker than shit.
@@Muscovy7 on the nylon nut, I don’t think it would for the same reason the Snap On loses. But on actual steel, they’re a force to be reckoned with as well. Definitely a great wrench. Thanks for joining in!
Icon will chew up your nuts more than SnapOn. SnapOn still wins the strength test at 2/3 the weight of Icon. Pretty important when you’re wrenching all day. Every day. SnapOn is for flat rate mechanics. I have SK toothless wide jaw wrenches for working on my equipment. They’re heavy! But kind to my nuts!
@@davehaggerty3405 I mean, probably not for long depending on whether that hardness change was a variance or a deliberate spec change. Lol I have absolute faith that the Snap On would do it repeatedly where I’m reasonably sure that the Icon may done in a handful of attempts if it slips off at all. Lol The hilarious part of all of it is, how often are most people even using an open end? Lol. Outside of people wrenching daily, and depending on their applications. I don’t think I’ve seen the specific SKs you speak. I’m dying over here 🤣 Thanks for joining in and the laugh!
@@gtcam723 thanks. Equipment typically is assembled with grade 5 bolts or softer. To act not only as fasteners but also as shear pins. Designed to fail before the machine. And that’s what they use for making adjustments. So I could be wrenching the same bolt every day. No skinny SnapOn for me! I’ve had my SK’s forever. The raised panel made in USA. Thru 1 1/4” and thru 23mm. They still look like new! Even after bouncing around in the back of my service truck for years. SK was known for their chrome. And it’s still never flaked or chipped. But frankly they didn’t get a whole lot of use. Not like in a shop. I also have the same wrenches in Craftsman. For back up. Good wrenches! Raised panel too. USA made V series. A little thinner. Not near as pretty. I get a weary hearing Icon compared to SnapOn. Like there is nothing in-between the two.
@@pete19721977 dude I’d never seen it and about face palmed myself silly. But then, my exposure has largely been industrial. We don’t do tool trucks. Stuff shows up in our tool crib. Lol That test really reminds of something out of Cutco Knives or some MLM 🤣 It’s been hilarious watching uproar and chaos. And I mean, you’re not wrong about part of why it’s so funny. Thanks for joining in!
I prefer the Snap-on, Wright 2.0 and Mac. I got the Icon anti-slip 4 years ago and thought they was great. But chrome started flaking and on the older fasteners. It rounded the head off and wasn't so great. The Icon ratchet wrenches perform a lot better over time. And that's where it matters. Performance over time. Not bench test flex
Yep. There’s that too. Though one thing I noticed when TTC tested them, they didn’t really show us the open ends after the fact. So it’s got me wondering how many need a warranty claim once they finally do slip off that first time. Will the jaws spread? Will the metal mushroom over? Etc. Also, I just discovered SO has a 0° ratcheting combo wrench with the FD+ 🤔 Thanks for joining in!
The Icon ratcheting wrenches are made by Kabo which is the industry standard. The non-ratcheting anti-slips are made by Infar, which is also very good but not on the level of Snap On and Wright.
@@Chris-nq6cm I mean, that’s certainly one approach. I’ve just never seen a long length flare nut wrench. Lol And man is the world also full of shitty flare nut wrenches. Realistically, most would be better served with a standard combination wrench or one of the mild anti slip designs like the Mac Knuckle Saver or Precision Torque, Icon’s anti slip on their Ratchet Wrenches, etc Thanks for joining in!
But it was fine when snap on was beating everyone and now another company beat snap on and it turns into a shit show it’s not even a relevant test bluh bluh bluh but it was when snap on was winning every time snap on lost who cares they have bad ass tools we all know that but they lost that test
@@RollinsOutdoors I get that it was an easy way to demonstrate a difference between a wrench with anti slip feature and wrenches without. But now, we have so many options with anti slip feature (not to mention there’s varieties that give up a bit of peak bite for the sake of persevering the fastener) that this test doesn’t really tell us shit. This test leaves out other elements such as what wrenches actually avoid the jaws spreading after slipping on a fastener, how much damage is there to the “teeth” of the wrench, how bad are jaws mushroomed if at all, etc. Thanks for joining in!
That nylon nut test is getting a few creators a whole lot of views. I've seen the video, and just short of asking Snap-on themselves, I think that nylon tester was to demonstrate the superiority od a flank drive wrench over a non flank drive. Heck a non flank drive Snap-on wrench would probably lose to a dlank drive on that demonstration, so it's feasible that a more aggressive driver could beat a Snap-on flank drive for that demonstration. Could any Taiwan wrench beat a Snap-on, or any other USA built, wrench with continued use? Perhaps. The icon wrench is quite a bit bulkier on the open end than most other quality wrenches, and even though it's "lifetime" warranty, I don't want to have to exercise that, I need my tools to continue to do the work.
I suspect you’re right about all of that. And I completely agree with you on the warranty bit. Shit just doing a video on Icon wrenches resulted in that one video getting more views in 24 hours than most of my others have gotten in a week. Lol
They didn’t lose to their game. If they didn’t invent it they perfected it in the 90’s. And there still made with American quality steel and that’s a big difference that nobody talks about
I've gotten to the point after watching Project Farm or TTC where I Eye roll at anyone doing these really silly "tests" that prove nothing. Like the guys bending an Icon and a Snap on in the vise till the Icon broke. I'm like "uh congratulations you used a tool incorrectly and it broke.... Imagine that" where as PF and TTC have shown there are quite a few brands that give great value but eventually the money you spend on high tier tools starts to show.
@@PogLife2171 yeah it’s been pretty interesting seeing what they actually manage to show. The Urrea thing still cracks me up with their wrenches not fitting within the spec they have on their own tolerance chart Thanks for joining in!
@@gtcam723 I am. In her video called "The Five D’s of Repossession" she says "stick to one tool truck, snap-on". She knows tools more than anyone on youtube.
@@gtcam723 I guess you don't watch her. Really, give her a try. She knows tools like you can't believe. She sold me on the giant 47" snap-on wrench, the giant screwdriver, and the huge pliers just a few weeks ago. Snap-on has the most amazing promotional items just like the best tools in the world. I do wish she would do all her videos in a bikini but even without that she knows her stuff. If she says to get a snap-on tool, I order it. If I already have it, I donated to salvation army or goodwill to help the poor people out in her name.
Snap-On is finally done. At this point, you have to have metal problems paying ten times the price for something that’s not even the best. It was fun while it lasted, but now I’m team Icon and my wallet is thanking you.
@@gtcam723 I’ve been a shop owner for the past 12 years, and now we have seven family-owned and operated locations across the South. We’ve used every brand imaginable. I’m simply exhausted by watching my technicians get drained each week for overpriced tools. It’s not just Snap-On; they’ve always been the worst, letting people go broke.
@@OrignalRobRobert Yea if i owned a shop id never let a truck on my lot. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the owner gets a cut of some of the profits to fleece their employees on overpriced tools. Now while snap on is amazing their marketing is even better and theyre like the louis vuitton of tools where your mainly paying for the name.
Tekton pretty dang good. Couple of people on the youtubes have said they are a great intermediate tool, plus they don't SKIP SIZES witch I can't stand. Love this comment bud. God Bless and have a good one.
Fair. The only thing is, as far as I’ve been able to find, you won’t find an option in their line for an anti slip option. Tekton builds a solid tools though.
I have some of their stuff too like the wrench sets with the rolls 6 of the impact socket sets and a few other things. I think they are pretty good would be nice if they had flex head ratchets without the stops at least they didn't last time I looked
Sherwood From Royalty auto expect Snap on to win the Nylon test since the test was invented by snap on to prove that SO wrenches has the tightest tolerance. Well it work until it didn't . and Mr Sherwood was genuinely shocked. He even ask wht the Snap On Truck guy was laughing. Well, Mr Subaru went all Hee Haw until Mr Sherwood from Royalty Auto re test to Mr Subaru specification and Snap On loses again. Now Mr Subaru SHUT DOWN the commenting on his video. therefore closing the discussion. You do what you do as mechanic. One is around 1/10 the price of the other. one frequently on sale for $60 . the other is around $500. I used whatever that keep my business going at competitive rate and keep the light, heat and mortgage paid on my house. Have no need to defend one or the other . have no need to send SO guy to his favorite vacation spot either. Again it is not a BS test. It suppose to demonstrate how tight to tolerance are the Snap on wrenches.
@@sofjanmustopoh7232 it was maybe valid for demonstrating the different of non-antislip vs antislip. But the only true way to gauge anti slip wrenches against each other is on the actual mediums. Nylon hex material just doesn’t translate at that point. Any of the US made wrenches are significantly more money though not as much as the SO. And that gets into - we can’t complain about jobs going over seas if we aren’t willing to pay for the goods that are made here.
@@gtcam723 as Torque test channel has demonstrated. Most open wrench can put on 70 to 120 foot pound force before rounding off a soft nut . No one would be doing that in daily repair . It would be crazy to put on that much force using open wrench . Snap On engineer and marketing people are not dumb. The make the nylon bolt test as facsimile . Unfortunately the competition has caught up to them even with snap on own test gimmick.
The nylon nut marketing test was designed to show the superiority of Flank Drive Plus as compared to the other wrenches. “Plus” being the flank drive technology on the open end of the wrench in the form of teeth. Snap On had the patent on this. Nowadays everyone has copied it. In that original scenario FRP was absolutely superior to standard wrenched without the teeth on the open end. Now, everyone has copied Snap On due to patents expiring. However, it’s not an exact copy. Like the video stated the Icon has harder teeth do it can outgrip the nylon bolt. The Snap On was purposely designed with softer teeth as the video stated. The point is- the Nylon nut test is no longer valid in this day and age.
Not to mention, with the increased competition now we have to get into things like hardness, survivability (ie how many times can it come off before it spreads or the “teeth” are wrecked) Thanks for joining in!
It wasn’t BS when snap on came out with the idea
@@mustang2433 it’s always been BS. Who the F is turning nylon nuts?
When snap on came out with it, it was to show how flank drive plus was superior to non flank drive. My rep used a flank drive plus and a standard snap on wrench. Now a days every wrench has some sort of teeth to "bite in". The test was relevant at the time but no longer is.
@@ryanmclain5869 I can sort of see that as a simple demo that the average tool truck guy could show.
@@ryanmclain5869Not true on how common the advanced jaw profiles are. Still tons and tons of plain wrenches available right now and being produced. Not even a simple majority on that front.
In my sophomore year of vocational/technical high school auto shop class (1984), a Snap-on rep visited our class. He performed the nylon nut parlor trick using his wrench and our school tool inventory New Britain/Blackhawk wrenches. The Snap-on wrench held and the New Britain/Blackhawk wrenches slipped. It was to demonstrate the superiority of Snap-on's Flank Drive box end versus other wrenches conventional pointed box ends. Both were 12 points. He never tested the plain open ends. At that time Snap-on's off corner loading Flank Drive was exclusive. All other wrench manufacturers had conventional points in the corners except one other. Unbeknownst to us kids at the time (as well as a majority of people), Bonney had a off corner loading design on their box ends and sockets called Loc-Rite. The Bonney Loc-Rite design pre-dated Snap-on's Flank Drive by one year. Due to Snap-on's industry wide reputation and self promotion "they" were the only tool company who offered this feature. The nylon nut parlor trick was not intended for open end demonstrations. Open ends were designed for speed in turning a fastener on/off or to assist holding a nut while unthreading/threading a bolt. Open ends were never intended to be used in high torque situations. Unfortunately there are occasions that necessitate having to use the open end due to accessibility issues. This is where Snap-on, and other quality wrenches, are going to out do the ICON. More than likely the ICON's open end jaws are going to spread and the user will have a sore hand. On occasion I had to rely on my Mac open ends. They held without spreading. The Mac combination wrenches felt better in my hand than the narrow edged beams of the Snap-on. The Mac wrench set also better fit my 17 year old budget versus the Snap-on. I'd still be using those Mac wrenches to this day had they not been stolen.
The ICON Vs Snap-on feud is a David Vs Goliath story. ICON won this battle against Snap-on. It was a victory for the weekend warrior, the "little guy", who built his hot rod, truck, racecar etc. in his home workshop. ICON, however, will never ultimately win the war. ICON tools are adequate for what they are. They are a great way for the homeowner/hobbyist or apprentice technician to build a set of decent tools on a budget. Much in the way my generation and those previous to us got our start with Sears Craftsman. I'd like to see one of the well known credible TH-cam professional technicians such as the likes of Eric O, Rainman Ray etc. get equipped by Harbor Freight to test the ICON line on a day in day out basis and see how they hold up in a real world environment. That would be the ultimate test. In the end, it is the mind that directs the tool that makes the repairs. Not the tool itself. Buy the tools that fit your budget and needs.
@@mlieser1230 yep. You nailed that pretty well. I didn’t know the bit about Bonney so that’s interesting.
And I agree with you on all points. What’s amazing to me at this point is the shear volume of good options for the weekend warrior sorts. And even the pros have more options now than they ever had before.
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@@gtcam723 I forgot to mention that I thought it funny that HF had their big "Parking Lot Sale" after the video came out. Napa also happens to have their Carlyle branded anti-slip wrenches on sale for $105. Both the ICON and Carlyle wrenches are made by Infar and are the same wrench.
@@mlieser1230 agreed. I thought about that with the Carlyle, but near me, there’s hardly any Napas left.
Best and most accurate “rant” on TH-cam, in the most recent almighty wrench measuring contest🤣 Plenty of great options out there for all budgets. Great content👍
Also some not great options for all budgets 😆
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Just buy what you can afford. Icon is really worth the money to guys like me. I work on things quite a bit, but not all day every day. And i dont make my main living with them anymore. When your entire tool collection goes missing and you're basically retired, it's hard to spend that kind of money on tools to replace everything you had collected. As much as i do anymore, the Icon tools are perfect and will last me the rest of my life while doing the job comfortably well. They're also great for someone just starting out in the tool buying game. Throughout my 47 years, I've found that i dont need the most expensive, biggst and best, to do quality work. But i will not buy junk either.
@@shadow7796 yeah there’s a lot of angles and everybody has there reason for whatever. And man, some sure do get their egos wrapped up in it. Lol also, how many actually need this style of open end wrench? Most are going to be better served with the milder design on the Icon ratcheting wrench with anti slip or the Gearwrench 90t with “off corner loading”
honestly i loved that test only because it got so many snapon guys bent out of shape and raging. At then end of the day though snap on is insnaely over priced and with icon your paying a fraction of the price for 90-95% of the quality of a snap on so is it really worth paying that extra 50-75% to get that last 5-10% of function and quality. Also its a test that Snapon came up with and thats why people are doing it and why the snapon guys are so bent out of shape because it was a test made for and by snapon to show the superiority of their tool and a budget tool beat it at its own marketing ploy.
@@mech0p oh a lot of it has been hilarious. It sure gets attention on the channels too. I mean, I get the original intent against non anti-slip wrenches. But man, so many have their egos wrapped up in their favorite flavor of tools.
Now virtually all of the fully US made stuff costs more. And I get many can’t afford that. But we also need to consider if we want to see all tools made overseas or do we want to support US workers?
Not saying that Snap On can necessarily justify their prices, I just know that Proto’s (or Mac - same owners) US made stuff sure isn’t much cheaper. Wright and Williams sure seem to be but I’m unclear exactly why that is. Could be by design as there’s lots of things that can be done to cut costs in manufacturing that will sort of fly under the radar.
Also, I still want to know who’s using nylon nuts 😆
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Oh, it’s BS now? But wasn’t, until it was?
@@andrej2321 I just never encountered it until now. This is more a critique of people’s ability to think critically. Who the eff is turning nylon fasteners with these wrenches?
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@andrej2321 Its never been relevant then or now. Any test done for marketing doesn't matter, don't care if its done by icon, crap-on or your mom. No snap on owner talks about nylon nuts and their wrenches performing amazing against them. I'm sure Icon fanboys will talk about this test for years, and the ability to turn nylon nuts 🤣. I own both by the way, Infar the actual manufacturer of the Icon wrenches make a great wrench. Wish they didn't have such a weak jaw(spread easy), its clear Milwaukee knew this hence they asked for thicker jaws on their version.
@@andrestnt I don’t have any Snap On wrenches. Yet. I have sockets, ratchets, and pliers. But I need at least one FD+ wrench for some warped idea I have. And yeah, the Icon fan boys are all over it. I mean the Icon, for the money a lot of people recently bought them at, is great mostly because ease of warranty. But I have a question that I’m going to have to answer via abusing one. And a few others. Frankly for the normal money, though probably hard to warranty, the USAG 285x is an attention getter. And let’s face it, Proto and Wright’s entries are no slouches either.
At least look pretty 🤣
Dude I almost face palmed at the nylon hex rod thing. I also wondered if every was actually using anti slip version of both wrenches. Lol
I also wonder many use open ends when they shouldn’t lol
Fan boy this, fan boy that, Snap-On on, and Snap-On off, FTW! Now, tell the world once more, the weekend warriors, the backyard mechanics, who would have never purchased them top of the line, and mind you, very expensive tools, how a local brick and mortar store in their neighborhood offering fairly decent quality tools at fairly reasonable prices is not a good value.
@@andrej2321 I don’t think anyone said they’re a poor value, especially at the price many bought them at. And, there’s something to be said for the ease of warranty if you’re close enough to a location. I am curious how they fare when they are used hard and how much it chews up the wrench or how far it spreads out of tolerance, mostly for the sake of knowledge. I’m a curious sort that way. Also curious about the Craftsman equivalents though they’re almost scary low price wise (and near as I can tell, not available from Amazon so I’ll either have to go to Lowe’s or Ace.
As a professional mechanic since the late eighties. It’s taken me this long to replace every craftsman, husky and every other generic tool brand I’ve ever owned and I can honestly say nothing even remotely compares to a snap on tool. They all do the job but when you work with these tools every day for as long as I have. Nothing compares
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Yeah, that’s one thing I advocate for is considering the “duty cycle” as it were. I mean “because I can/want to” is certainly reason enough. And there are things I think Snap On could execute better and opportunities I think they’re missing out on. That said, the average home guy is probably served just fine with some of the other “mid tier” brands. That said, even at home I’ve been slowly replacing stuff with the SO items I prefer but also, getting a chance to be exposed to the other stuff out there has been interesting. And it seems the viable options now are better than they’ve ever been (the shit-tier options notwithstanding).
Wright wrenches are the best for the $$
Now I’m curious about these wright wrenches because now that I’m looking at all these tool channels. I’m curious but I just know I’ve had my snap on wrenches since the nineties and used them everyday. And I can’t remember the last time I broke one and actually needed a warranty claim on one in all those years.
Wright wrenches definitely look awesome but I would be concerned about the shorter length of them for automotive use. I do have shorter length wrenches and I find I hardly ever use them
Yeah I find that if you need shorter, you need really short lol
This was Snap-on's marketing for several years. They came out with the nylon nut demonstration.
He has a snap on truck for sure lol
@@garrettabell4741 dude, I wish. 😆
I think no one has said how many times do you really use those style wrenches anymore,does it really warrant the huge price difference, look I love snap on tools but have hard time swallowing the price at times for stuff I may use a couple of times!
That is always a consideration as well. I suspect it depends somewhat on one’s location as well as what they work on. Especially considering none of these are something I’d want for a standard use wrench.
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Stainless steel is HARD , not soft
Tough is probably more accurate unless heat treat is involved, but fasteners tend to be an exception. Likely due to the alloys involved. They’ll usually strip or break quicker than shit.
There are thousands of stainless steels from austenitic to precipitation hardening to nickel based super alloys.
I would bet money that Wright Grip wrenches would beat them all using technology that they’ve had for decades at this point lol
@@Muscovy7 on the nylon nut, I don’t think it would for the same reason the Snap On loses. But on actual steel, they’re a force to be reckoned with as well. Definitely a great wrench.
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Love how Icon just lives rent free on these strap on boys heads😂
@@Rbobby-1996 man it seems to be both ways too. 🤣 F it. I have both 🤣
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Torque Test channel is awesome
@@jimf1450 man, they have the patience of Job over there lol
Icon will chew up your nuts more than SnapOn.
SnapOn still wins the strength test at 2/3 the weight of Icon.
Pretty important when you’re wrenching all day. Every day.
SnapOn is for flat rate mechanics.
I have SK toothless wide jaw wrenches for working on my equipment. They’re heavy! But kind to my nuts!
@@davehaggerty3405 I mean, probably not for long depending on whether that hardness change was a variance or a deliberate spec change. Lol I have absolute faith that the Snap On would do it repeatedly where I’m reasonably sure that the Icon may done in a handful of attempts if it slips off at all. Lol
The hilarious part of all of it is, how often are most people even using an open end? Lol. Outside of people wrenching daily, and depending on their applications.
I don’t think I’ve seen the specific SKs you speak.
I’m dying over here 🤣
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@@gtcam723 thanks.
Equipment typically is assembled with grade 5 bolts or softer. To act not only as fasteners but also as shear pins. Designed to fail before the machine.
And that’s what they use for making adjustments. So I could be wrenching the same bolt every day. No skinny SnapOn for me!
I’ve had my SK’s forever. The raised panel made in USA. Thru 1 1/4” and thru 23mm.
They still look like new! Even after bouncing around in the back of my service truck for years.
SK was known for their chrome. And it’s still never flaked or chipped. But frankly they didn’t get a whole lot of use. Not like in a shop.
I also have the same wrenches in Craftsman. For back up. Good wrenches! Raised panel too. USA made V series.
A little thinner. Not near as pretty.
I get a weary hearing Icon compared to SnapOn. Like there is nothing in-between the two.
It was a test made by Snap- on. That’s why 😂 And we all have Snap-on
@@pete19721977 dude I’d never seen it and about face palmed myself silly. But then, my exposure has largely been industrial. We don’t do tool trucks. Stuff shows up in our tool crib. Lol
That test really reminds of something out of Cutco Knives or some MLM 🤣
It’s been hilarious watching uproar and chaos. And I mean, you’re not wrong about part of why it’s so funny.
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I prefer the Snap-on, Wright 2.0 and Mac. I got the Icon anti-slip 4 years ago and thought they was great. But chrome started flaking and on the older fasteners. It rounded the head off and wasn't so great. The Icon ratchet wrenches perform a lot better over time. And that's where it matters. Performance over time. Not bench test flex
Yep. There’s that too. Though one thing I noticed when TTC tested them, they didn’t really show us the open ends after the fact. So it’s got me wondering how many need a warranty claim once they finally do slip off that first time. Will the jaws spread? Will the metal mushroom over? Etc.
Also, I just discovered SO has a 0° ratcheting combo wrench with the FD+ 🤔
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The Icon ratcheting wrenches are made by Kabo which is the industry standard. The non-ratcheting anti-slips are made by Infar, which is also very good but not on the level of Snap On and Wright.
@@asmautollc man I swear I need an auto updating flow chart to keep track of this 😆
Yes that test was well talked about!! It got some people worked up into a frenzy!!
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Those teeth are ridiculous. If a flare nut wrench wont work I use water pump pliers.
@@Chris-nq6cm I mean, that’s certainly one approach. I’ve just never seen a long length flare nut wrench. Lol And man is the world also full of shitty flare nut wrenches.
Realistically, most would be better served with a standard combination wrench or one of the mild anti slip designs like the Mac Knuckle Saver or Precision Torque, Icon’s anti slip on their Ratchet Wrenches, etc
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But it was fine when snap on was beating everyone and now another company beat snap on and it turns into a shit show it’s not even a relevant test bluh bluh bluh but it was when snap on was winning every time snap on lost who cares they have bad ass tools we all know that but they lost that test
@@RollinsOutdoors I get that it was an easy way to demonstrate a difference between a wrench with anti slip feature and wrenches without. But now, we have so many options with anti slip feature (not to mention there’s varieties that give up a bit of peak bite for the sake of persevering the fastener) that this test doesn’t really tell us shit. This test leaves out other elements such as what wrenches actually avoid the jaws spreading after slipping on a fastener, how much damage is there to the “teeth” of the wrench, how bad are jaws mushroomed if at all, etc.
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That nylon nut test is getting a few creators a whole lot of views. I've seen the video, and just short of asking Snap-on themselves, I think that nylon tester was to demonstrate the superiority od a flank drive wrench over a non flank drive. Heck a non flank drive Snap-on wrench would probably lose to a dlank drive on that demonstration, so it's feasible that a more aggressive driver could beat a Snap-on flank drive for that demonstration. Could any Taiwan wrench beat a Snap-on, or any other USA built, wrench with continued use? Perhaps. The icon wrench is quite a bit bulkier on the open end than most other quality wrenches, and even though it's "lifetime" warranty, I don't want to have to exercise that, I need my tools to continue to do the work.
I suspect you’re right about all of that. And I completely agree with you on the warranty bit.
Shit just doing a video on Icon wrenches resulted in that one video getting more views in 24 hours than most of my others have gotten in a week. Lol
its funny because snapon is the one who made that marketing ploy and lost at their own game
Oh that’s definitely been part of the hilarity.
They didn’t lose to their game. If they didn’t invent it they perfected it in the 90’s. And there still made with American quality steel and that’s a big difference that nobody talks about
I've gotten to the point after watching Project Farm or TTC where I Eye roll at anyone doing these really silly "tests" that prove nothing.
Like the guys bending an Icon and a Snap on in the vise till the Icon broke. I'm like "uh congratulations you used a tool incorrectly and it broke.... Imagine that" where as PF and TTC have shown there are quite a few brands that give great value but eventually the money you spend on high tier tools starts to show.
@@PogLife2171 yeah it’s been pretty interesting seeing what they actually manage to show. The Urrea thing still cracks me up with their wrenches not fitting within the spec they have on their own tolerance chart
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Forgot who that was but i saw that and was turned off by that demonstration
@@saucyg6371 yeah it’s kind of dumb.
It's called "Marketing"
Yep. Though hilarious seeing SO lose at a parlor trick they probably created. Lol
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Val Tools is a great channel. Way better than the torque test channel.
@@funny0000000 as if you’re watching for the tools….
@@gtcam723 I am. In her video called "The Five D’s of Repossession" she says "stick to one tool truck, snap-on". She knows tools more than anyone on youtube.
@@funny0000000 yeah ok. Lol
@@gtcam723 I guess you don't watch her. Really, give her a try. She knows tools like you can't believe. She sold me on the giant 47" snap-on wrench, the giant screwdriver, and the huge pliers just a few weeks ago. Snap-on has the most amazing promotional items just like the best tools in the world. I do wish she would do all her videos in a bikini but even without that she knows her stuff. If she says to get a snap-on tool, I order it. If I already have it, I donated to salvation army or goodwill to help the poor people out in her name.
Good video
@@michaellindsay8934 thank you!
Snap-On is finally done. At this point, you have to have metal problems paying ten times the price for something that’s not even the best. It was fun while it lasted, but now I’m team Icon and my wallet is thanking you.
@@OrignalRobRobert just out of curiosity, what capacity do you use your tools in?
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@@gtcam723 I’ve been a shop owner for the past 12 years, and now we have seven family-owned and operated locations across the South. We’ve used every brand imaginable. I’m simply exhausted by watching my technicians get drained each week for overpriced tools. It’s not just Snap-On; they’ve always been the worst, letting people go broke.
@@OrignalRobRobert Yea if i owned a shop id never let a truck on my lot. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the owner gets a cut of some of the profits to fleece their employees on overpriced tools. Now while snap on is amazing their marketing is even better and theyre like the louis vuitton of tools where your mainly paying for the name.
try tekton as well. i find icon too expensive as well
Tekton pretty dang good. Couple of people on the youtubes have said they are a great intermediate tool, plus they don't SKIP SIZES witch I can't stand. Love this comment bud. God Bless and have a good one.
Fair. The only thing is, as far as I’ve been able to find, you won’t find an option in their line for an anti slip option. Tekton builds a solid tools though.
I have some of their stuff too like the wrench sets with the rolls 6 of the impact socket sets and a few other things. I think they are pretty good would be nice if they had flex head ratchets without the stops at least they didn't last time I looked
@@wades623 yep I a fair number of their impact sockets
Great video 👍
Man I couldn’t help myself 😆
I will keep buying icon and gear wrench while people spend big dollars on snap on
@@jcaaa5w837 oh just join the dark side and add the Snap On to the pile too 🤣
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@@gtcam723 haha I would but can’t afford them definitely nice tools
@@jcaaa5w837 ya know, that’s absolutely fair. Everyone has different financial responsibilities.
@@jcaaa5w837 for the price of a set of wrenches you could go on a week long cruise almost lol
Sherwood From Royalty auto expect Snap on to win the Nylon test since the test was invented by snap on to prove that SO wrenches has the tightest tolerance. Well it work until it didn't . and Mr Sherwood was genuinely shocked. He even ask wht the Snap On Truck guy was laughing.
Well, Mr Subaru went all Hee Haw until Mr Sherwood from Royalty Auto re test to Mr Subaru specification and Snap On loses again.
Now Mr Subaru SHUT DOWN the commenting on his video. therefore closing the discussion.
You do what you do as mechanic. One is around 1/10 the price of the other. one frequently on sale for $60 . the other is around $500.
I used whatever that keep my business going at competitive rate and keep the light, heat and mortgage paid on my house.
Have no need to defend one or the other . have no need to send SO guy to his favorite vacation spot either.
Again it is not a BS test. It suppose to demonstrate how tight to tolerance are the Snap on wrenches.
@@sofjanmustopoh7232 it was maybe valid for demonstrating the different of non-antislip vs antislip. But the only true way to gauge anti slip wrenches against each other is on the actual mediums. Nylon hex material just doesn’t translate at that point.
Any of the US made wrenches are significantly more money though not as much as the SO. And that gets into - we can’t complain about jobs going over seas if we aren’t willing to pay for the goods that are made here.
@@gtcam723 as Torque test channel has demonstrated. Most open wrench can put on 70 to 120 foot pound force before rounding off a soft nut .
No one would be doing that in daily repair . It would be crazy to put on that much force using open wrench .
Snap On engineer and marketing people are not dumb.
The make the nylon bolt test as facsimile .
Unfortunately the competition has caught up to them even with snap on own test gimmick.
The nylon nut marketing test was designed to show the superiority of Flank Drive Plus as compared to the other wrenches. “Plus” being the flank drive technology on the open end of the wrench in the form of teeth. Snap On had the patent on this. Nowadays everyone has copied it. In that original scenario FRP was absolutely superior to standard wrenched without the teeth on the open end. Now, everyone has copied Snap On due to patents expiring. However, it’s not an exact copy. Like the video stated the Icon has harder teeth do it can outgrip the nylon bolt. The Snap On was purposely designed with softer teeth as the video stated. The point is- the Nylon nut test is no longer valid in this day and age.
Not to mention, with the increased competition now we have to get into things like hardness, survivability (ie how many times can it come off before it spreads or the “teeth” are wrecked)
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