ICON Tools Socket Wrench Tolerance Does Harbor Freight Measure Up to Snap On
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- ICON Tools Socket and Wrench Tolerance Does Harbor Freight Measure Up compared to Snap On measurements, Fit Finish Warranty and within specifications?
Today we will look at the New Harbor Freight ICON Sockets and compare them to a set of Snap On sockets as well as look at some of the combination wrenches and ratcheting wrenches and compare them to ISO 691 tolerances for Class 1 tool manufacturers.
We will also talk about warranty information and being able to use that warranty on iCON sockets in store.
My view on snap on vs icon is this: it dont matter how you butter the bread as long as the bread gets buttered some use a spoon others a fork others a butter knife either way the job gets done as expected lol
Yeah but when you're forks and butter knife are made out of plastic that does mean something
@@felixmartinez9514 I only have plastic forks and spoons on my truck trust me you'll make whatever you got work
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Very great analogy.. hahaha
A lot of discussion on this test about the fact the snap-on set was used. The simple fact is that there should be no change in the tolerances from new to old. A permanent change or opening up of the tolerance from new means the socket underwent plastic deformation. If a part undergoes plastic deformation is has, by definition, exceeded it's service strength. So unless each snap-on socket tested was at some point pushed past it's service strength, the icon tolerances are tighter. Bolts are relatively soft, and should never deform tool steel. If by some reason the snap-on tolerances were opened up through use, it would indicate an issue with either the socket steel or the design itself. For those of you who care to learn more look up steel deformation on Wikipedia, or in any entry level materials textbook.
Very nicely done Chris !!! Cool to see the ICON come in with even tighter fit than the Snap on. Looks like a person who is thinking about opening a small shop, with let's say 3 or 4 bays could outfit his whole shop for the same amount of $$$ as 1 person using Snap On. Difference goes up when you start adding tools needed by master mechanics. Clear Winner is ICON !!! Evidence is both in your videos and at least a half dozen other creators. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and videos, Rodney
It does make one wonder that they should at least want to look at them as an option.
Unless they go the way of the DODO and Kobalt...
If the icon are chrome vanadium alloy single heat treat , use them with a 100 fps for a week or two then measure.
Snap on uses a another alloy chrome molybdenum and chrome vanadium together, then a doubble heat treat.
They crack before stretching out of spec.
Icon is good for the money but not in the same class. I am impressed with Icon and Doyle tools but you are not going to beat Snap On over night they have been refining alloys and heat treating for specific applications in every tool for years.
The Icons are really good but let's just see how they perform over time. My bet is Snap on will out last them but for the money you can't go wrong buying icon.
This is great info, thanks! I had a Snap-On 3/8 ratchet years ago (probably 20 years ago) and the only complaint I had was how tight it held on to sockets. There were times I needed to pry off a socket with a screwdriver. I gave that ratchet away... but held onto my old Craftsman stuff. Now I'm going to check out some ICON stuff this year.
Same thing here. Snap-on ratchets really grip the sockets
Thank you for an honest review of icon sockets seems most reviewers just try to break them in un realistic situations
Great video As a professional mechanic I have so many different brands of tools in my box snap on Matco mac cornwell tools icon whatever doesn’t break and does the job goes back in the box and if it breaks when it’s relatively new off to the trash so far I genuinely have no complaints with icon tools are they as good as my local took truck possibly do they do the job absolutely for much less money if your just starting out In the field don’t buy a huge toolbox for 15k and try to keep up with the guys retiring who’ve accrued tools for 40-60yrs it takes time to get everything and one may never have everything 😆
I have used them for a day now on impact and hand. Just like I did with snap on for the last 6 years. The metal definitely feels softer and the sockets a a bit taller like any Other Taiwan socket. But I didn’t round anything off will update in a week.
Just so I'm clear, you're not talking about the deeps, correct?
@@felixf5211 No the 1/4 shallow sockets are taller then the snap on 1/4 shallow
@@LEGOCAMARO Thank you for the clarification. I'm looking for a set of 3/8 mids. Maybe Icon is the way to go.
Felix F Did someone say mid sockets.... Can I give my $.02. Cheapest route would be Stanley then Dewalt but they are not all the same size but are the shortest deeps around. Then GearWrench and Napa Carlyle (30% off Retail price 2nd Saturday of the month before 9am) then maybe SK then maybe truck brand. I personally have the Carlyle and Stanley and a mixed Blackhawk and Craftsman mid-length set.
10 months later how they working out for you?
I am glad to see harbor freight stepping up their quality. For years HF made complete junk for tools . I used to use them back when I was a kid and before I knew better. Almost lost a finger when trying to undo a radiator fan and the crappy Pittsburgh wrench rounded off the head of the bold. My hand went in to the fan and radiator. Thank god I was wearing mechanics gloves. Even then it sliced open the glove and my hand. Ended up getting a few stitches. I switched to husky after that. It’s too bad husky and Kobalt went down hill as well. I switch to Tekton about 2 years ago after a friend who is a professional mechanic recommended them. After looking at the Icon swivel head ratchets, they are identical to my Tektons. The composite handle Ratchet is identical to my Tekton as well. I think HF is using the same manufacturer as Tekton and just rebranding them.
That wouldnt have been on the tools fault. it would have been your fault, never work on a engine that is on
Engine was not running.. It was a 1970 camaro I had been restoring, the previous owner had installed a shitty aluminum flex fan and it was having some over heating issues.The poor quality HF wrench rounded off the head of the bolt and slipped off. When that happened, my hand hit the sharp edge on the flex fan and my knuckles punched in to the radiator. The fan sliced open the glove and my hand. And I ended up getting quite a few stitches the side of my hand left where the small finger connects to the palm. Missed the tendon by a fraction of an inch. I still have a nice scar to remind me to always use good quality tools and gloves. I ended up having to remove the radiator and grind off the head of the stripped bolt to get the fan off. Had to have the radiator recored to fix where my knuckles hit it and switched the junk flex fan back to a OEM fan and fan clutch. Lots of wasted time and money that could have be prevented had I bought good tools in the first place. That said, I am really glad to see HF is stepping up with the new icon line. I don’t dislike HF. I use them all the time for things like shop rags an tarps, I even still have a set of Pittsburg tools that I use when I go to the pick a part yards. Cause if the get stolen or get lost I don’t care. I wish them luck on their new product line because it will force others to improve in quality in order to compete with them. And better tools for everyone is a
@@shadvan9494 ahh ok my bad I thought you had the fan spinning... Yes I do agree with you tho, I am excited for the Icon line, but a lot of people happen to hate the company
Glad to hear they changed the warranty process on sets. Id like to see how the Pittsburgh pro or quinns compare
I'm motivated to check the tolerances on some of the Pitt Pro sockets and wrenches myself and since tomorrow is a holiday...
I'm also motivated to become a new subscriber.
Great video Chris! I thought it was just me having difficulty with Snap On ratchets. I have a SnapOn FLF80 ratchet that once you put that socket on, it’s not coming off unless you pry it off. Honestly bought into the hype and just don’t see how Snap On can increase efficiency when I have to pry every socket w a pocket screwdriver. My go to ratchets are from GearWrench and SK and I even have a HB Pittsburgh pro that is pretty awesome. All three are smooth, reliable and can be used with any brand of sockets with zero issues.
ICON sockets looks to have tighter dimensions then the Snap On sockets I bought at a Pawn Shop a few months back. ICON also measured within Class 1 ISO 691 specs and looked 👌🏼 ***Please note all tools can and will measure different due to manufacturing processes***
Even when saying "Snap On is in spec!" which is exactly what you can ask for, there's still hate coming to ICON lol. It's pretty amusing from the sidelines. Just giving a positive word about a much cheaper brand compared to Snap On brings the heat.
Professional industrial maintenance mechanic here. I use almost all icon tools in a heavy work environment. THEY HOLD UP
Sweet.. someone pulled out a Caliper to check an made sure to zero out each check point.. "Very nice"!!, No need to explaine why you cheched used/worn tools to new tools, as even used tools should be with in tolerance, in general, unless they were out of tolerance new !
Thank you for taking the time to check them an using a 10mm..been nice if you would of done a 1/4, 1/2 or 9/16 as those are common an highly used, its nice seeing actual results, off the shelf tools...👍👍
(Edit): now the true test of time... as Pittsboro has lasted 20+yrs in my box, replacing a few that get used more so than others, as some of my craftsman Ive had for 30+yrs, have had the same issues and my Cornwells too... Tho my Mitutoyo's /Starrett's are the best Ive ever used... Could you imagine a Mitutoyo 3/4 flex Ratchet lmfao or a Swiss made 3/4 flex Ratchet... Blahaha... I'd take a dozen "please" 🤣🤣🤣
Good point decent or lightly used tools should be in tolerance and thanks for catching that I did zero out or check it between measures. I probably had over an hour worth of footage to to trim down andI only purchased metric but the long ratcheting wrenches are so nice I might have to get an SAE set before year end but I’ll probably save the money for something else new or some impacts.
@@ClientGraphics your welcome... Im a Machinist by trade so we have to work with metals all day long an its second hand to check tolerance numerous times throughout the day.. Mechanics typically dont need to but they also know theres thousands of metals an they all have a purpose.
Im just glad a decent tool is out at a affordable price 😁👍👍
@Emerald lx as a matter of fact, yes... Blahaha... Metal does have a shelf life but that shelf usually wont hold the tool as its ether metal or wood... Really... Wow, thats your gripe ?
"Nothing lasts forever" !!!
(Edit) Further more, if you would of paid attion to what I said (it was stated those Snap Ons are used "not being as good a new set of snap Ons"), they dont change much in tolerance, just because they arent new, shouldnt matter if they are used an one of the top leading tools lmao
The tolerances may be good, but the metal is going to be softer. For longevity, I'll put the Snapon socket against it any day. But still very impressive.
who cares about longevity when you have a "lifetime warranty"
@@hunterXhamster Snapon is out of manys budgets, but when you have to stop the job constantly because the tool broke, waste gas and tires, etc. To go exchange the longevity seems a little better choice IMHO...
I have some much cheaper sockets than icon with a decade of use on them, cr-v sockets don't really wear quickly
Cr-mo impacts seem to wear down quick, but slight mushrooming doesn't seem to affect much.
@@azmrblack idk man i think if people are on a budget and worried about gas and tires to go to harbor freight on the way home then snap on is out of the budget anyway. if u buy 2 sets of icon it will still be less than half the price of snap on and u dont need to stop what your doing to go get a warranty
I'd like to know how you can say with such certainty that Icon will be softer steel. It's not like Snap-On is the only company that knows how to heat treat or has some special alloy nobody else can get.
This is my first time hear the name of Snap-On stuff.
Can't wait to try one.
Used vs new?
I'm sure the tolerance will be more in a used tool
He used that 19 mm icon socket for a rachet test, 8 ratchets total, each rachet went over 200 ft lbs
Are you checking “used” tools to new never used tools??
I’ve used all the ICON sockets some and that 19mm had 200+ ft-lbs on it multiple times. Snap On was still within Class 1 tolerances and all sockets can very but be within spec. The Snap On sockets are so lightly used and have little to no wear. Remember first runs of tools verse the last runs can vary and even .05 or .1 in the manufacturing process can have a big impacts on the finished product.
@@ClientGraphics this is true. stuff changes. glad to see most in spec.
@@ClientGraphics vary* geezeee
Snap ons standard, flank drive plus or flank drive extra? Trust me it makes a difference.
Can you please measure the thickness of socket walls and the width of the sockets?
It would be interesting to see torque test on them.
If the snapon sockets werent brNd new as well then the test isnt really realistic.
Been using icon sockets for a while they seem good haven’t broke one yet have 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 sets broke my first couple of snap on sockets after about 5 years of use see how these hold up to that
I would have used a better caliper just to be sure. While the Harbor Freight calipers are good for throwing in every tool box (cheap) and great for close enough measurements I would never use them where accuracy matters unless Icon decides to come out with a better one.
No calipers are how you do this kind of measuring. It is good for a rough dimension but for better accuracy you need to use something along the lines of gage blocks.
I’m thinking 🤔 🤔🤔 maybe you step on a Snap On truck and check some new never used tools on camera. After all it would only be fair.
Truck Mechanic I’ll see what I can do, no promises but I’ll try in the future if I can remember and sneak it in somewhere 🧰 👨🔧
Why do they have to be new, specially if Snap On is so close to tolerance regardless if its used or not an they are supposed to be one of the best tools on the market, the metal used to produce any of these tools wont change much if at all because they are a tool metal alloy that usually doesnt cause much change from most makers, even as years pass, unless your looking at 50+yrs ago lol or the maker of the tool doesnt care as its a cheap tool an metal used to make the tool and you see the cheapness in the tool, in general.. unless your not willing to check your tools supplier..because nothing was said that snap-on wasnt with in tolerance even if they were 20yrs old, otherwise we'd all would be needing new tools way more than we do, no ones saying ICON tools are better than Snap On.. Right ? LMFAO
One of my favorite channels. Where have you been?
Insides of sockets now are rounded to prevent putting pressure on fastener corners, so it's hard to really put stock in these kinds of tests. It would be extremely hard to be at the exact apex of the rounded surface on both sides of the socket for every test. Still interesting to see the comparisons though.
Thanks for taking the time to use a digital caliper ; that was very illustrative and revealing.
I really hope HF has plans to release a full icon socket set like craftsman 299pc socket only set, no wrenches, no ratchets, no bs. I cant seem to find anything on the topic
So far my main complaint is that there are not expansion socket sets. Example is 3/8” drive short 6 point only goes up to 7/8”. No 15/16” or 1”. Same goes for all sets in inch or metric. But long term I still love my Snap on stuff but Icon is at least walking up the sidewalk to knock on Snap On’s door.
It's hard to go with a new tool brand after what happens to kobalt and Husky when they are today as when they were launched.
I don't blame you. I did have some older Husky, but thankfully never fell into the Kobalt trap. And that was only because we didn't have a Lowe's within 75 miles.
What trap are you referring to?
@@davidchristopher5976 when they launched kobalt they were made by Williams a snap on company now they are made in China and Taiwan for the most part
@@larryborkstrom3580 I see. Thanks for cluing me in on that. Pretty shady thing to do.
My dad was a machine builder when i was younger and only bought craftsman when they were sears. Now whenever i go to warranty them i can’t because sears are closing down left and right. I buy tekton now when ever i need new tools or buy snap on stuff off my buddies as they retire.
so many butt hurt tool truck users, is it so hard to believe that a 30-50 dollar socket set, hands well against your 400 dollar socket set?
the 3/8 deeps are now on coupon for 20 for a 12 piece set
They told me if I have a problem with the icon tools is best to bring the whole set and they will swap it no questions asked. Is easier for them to return a whole set back to the factory. Then they don’t have to sell a set with missing pieces.
Wait, didn’t you break the ratchet while testing it? Shouldn’t that not count on the warranty since it wasn’t being used as intended?
SBdunks3 I intended to use it for testing and to validate the warranty as I questioned the no questions. Challenge excepted and completed it’s all good!
ClientGraphics huh?
SBdunks3 I once had a extendable ratchet from harbor freight & just wanted a new one, put it on the vice and hit it and couldn’t break the gears, I ended up beating the anvil (the piece that grabs the socket) and took it to my store where I went all the time, I told the guy I broke it intentionally and he swapped it without a problem
Did you buy a book for the references? I can't seem to find a chart for the specs, but great video keep up the good work👍
michael bladen I have the ASME B107.110 as well as a few ISO and DIN specs and the Machinist Handbook has some goodies tucked inside it. I would check what the local library or University or Engineering groups have and google and or paid sources will have the rest. Good luck and it took me just over a weeks to source everything but I’m set for quite some time.
I think the tightest sockets I've used are Bahco Taiwan ones the shiny chrome.
My snap on do feel loose but I always though this was due to their flank drive.
Glad they are swapping out like pittsburgh tools
Snapon hates Icon because it's affordable, available to regular people sold in a store, and virtually the same quality. I have bought Icon sets and am very happy. Because I will never spend 400 dollars on 7 Snapon wrenches. Doesn't make sense.
Icon needs to have larger metric sockets. I hate it when it just goes up to 19mm...for this reason...I'm thinking of just going with duralast.. Taiwan and more store location
19mm is getting up there and you can move over to the 1/2” which ICON has up to 24mm. Tekton also has the massive 1/2” 84pc set that goes to 32mm you can look at on my channel as I did a review on it.
Could you do this test on some gear wrench
You got the result from the socket sticking to the anvil due to the detent within the socket design was ment for the Ratchet of same design...I just did a video on a SNAP-ON low Profile Socket/Ratchet set but the results were semi the opposite way around the Sockets that come in a package with the ratchet do not stick properly to the anvil due to that detent but if you take the same socket and put it on a normal Standard ratchet anvil it was also showing what you just displayed by it sticking and you would half to apply force in order to remove the socket
I have had more than a few problems with sockets not staying on smaller bolts because the chamfer seemed to be cut halfway up the socket. I get that it's there to make it easier for the socket to slide onto a bolt. But some chamfers seem to be cut far deeper than they need to be. Is there a spec for that?
I agree with the caliper comments. As a machinist for 15 years, those harbor freight caliper are not even worth the $9.99. They would need to be calibrated or at least checked against a gage block or 1-2-3 block for accuracy. Bet the are off at least .01mm which is the difference in the video. ( I'm still wanting Icon to win this battle. But for the sake of accuracy better equipment needs to be used for measurement)
Their is tons of videos checking there accuracy on youtube they are within .001in as they claim but even if he switched to a mitutoyo or starret caliper it wouldnt make a difference because sockets dont need to be in that high of tolerance
What does it matter if it a little off , it's still showing which is tighter or looser , the Icon sockets had a lower number , doesn't matter what the number is , as long as it's showing higher or lower , , bottom line , the ICON shows a tighter socket , even if the numbers aren't perfectly accurate , ICON always had a lower number than Snap on , followed the same pattern one after another !!
ICON is a great mid tier tool brand (when discussing Taiwanese made). I have a few of their tools. When you start comparing them to Snap On, MAC, Wright it becomes very clear you don’t know the first thing about how USA tool truck branded tools are made. You leave out the steel grade, heat treatment, finish machining. Cracks me up just how stupid some folks on TH-cam are. But as long as it’s “cheap”…. And to be clear I’m not calling you stupid, just the comment section. I do stand by my statement above that you need to learn there’s more to tools than a tolerance test using a measuring tool that is made of pot metal…I do get a good laugh when people claim ICON is at the same level as Snap On. They simply can’t afford Snap on so they compare apples & oranges to justify their frugal purchase.
Very useful video !
Great informative video brother 👍🤜🤛
Thanks Neil for the support!
Awesome! Thanks for the information
Sure they can make them to tolerances. Doesn't mean they will still be that years to come. I have snap on sockets and rachets that are decades old. Still in tolerance. Icon will never be as good as snap on
I have channelock wrenches, I wanna see if they are same as icons
I need a second set of sockets. Been looking between icon and gearwrench . Do you have a preference on the best socket set under $100.00? 3/8 deep 8-19 I what I need
Any idea if they will be adding a 12 point socket line ? I only see 6 point
I have seen alot of unboxing and measuring. Are there any videos where they are actually being used and abused by techs that use their tools on a daily basis?
Do you need the receipt/be the original buyer to get the warranty?
For Icon or snapon?
@@gynn4622 For Icon.
Considering that Icon sockets are only sold in sets, does anyone know how they'd warranty a broken socket? Do they have individuals in the back of the store for warranty purposes or what? Same with wrenches that are only sold in sets
Also, if you buys the tools used from someone, or new in package from an individual, can you still warranty them if they break?
I have an off topic question. I can get Harbor Freight 1/2” shallow cr-v impact sockets for $14.99 per set or for $20 I can get the chrome moly set. The difference is $10.90 if I get the sae/metric chrome moly sets... any thoughts which is better?
People will recommend Cr-Mo for impact applications since it has better ductility than Cr-V, which means it can de-form and re-form under the heat and stress of your impact tools. Cr-V is harder and more brittle so prone to shader instead of splitting. Traditionally, Cr-v is what normal chrome sockets are made of and are hard and have thinner side walls. However, Cr-V can be heat treated to different ductilities. At the end of the day we are talking Harbor Freight CR-Mo vs CR-V for me it comes down to fit and finish, size markings stamp vs laser etching and what side walls are thinner walls yet will last. For most DIY and weekend projects either will be fine.
ClientGraphics thank you for your input. I know it’s not a lot of money but I just wanted to make a wise choice with what I need.
ClientGraphics Thank you for your reply. The Harbor Freight Cr-Mo are laser etched where the Cr-v are stamped. Cr-mo are thinner walled and seem lighter. I use impacts mainly for gear boxes and small hydraulic pumps..so far I’ve had no issue with Cr-v but I’ve never owned Cr-mo... still trying to decide... great videos and very informative! Keep it up!
ClientGraphics would you still recommend the Cr-mo even though harbor freight switched then to China? Cr-v are made in Taiwan
LOL "Everybody really likes 10mm"
Beer out the nose comment. Yes, it's really fun to watch the people that really like 10mm when they try to use it on a 14mm or 8mm bolt head...
Here is the thing Your NOT saying!!!! Will the Icon still be a a good tool after 20/30/40/50+ years like Snap On is.... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
A 1/2 deep socket set is about 1/10 the price of s-o. If he bought a new set every 10 yrs, he'd still be way ahead. How good is a 50 yo snap on socket? I have some that are over 30 and are pretty worn
Truck Mechanic Only time will tell so you won’t hear me say longevity statements unless I have personally tested it. One things for sure I’m thankful for being able to repair my Grandpa’s 1946 Snap On ratchet and get it on video! All the best and thank you for watching and commenting 👍🏻
Ben Whitaker Fair point $513 for a SnapOn 313TSMYA 13 pc 1/2" Drive 6-Point Metric Flank Drive Deep Socket Set (12-24 mm) compared to $59.99 for the Icon so you could buy 8 sets compared to 1
Truck Mechanic That’s an unrealistic demand to expect him to say “I guarantee this will still be great after 50 years!!” He’s showing everything he can about the ICON tools, but he doesn’t have a time machine... Will a snap on tool made today still be good in 50 years?? Also consider that snap on is making more and more items over seas. Also consider that that if your snap on does fail (which they do, they aren’t perfect) how hard it is to replace it through the warranty. The ICON has a lifetime warranty, no questions asked and, from all accounts, it’s made to a very high quality. It’s up to people to decide from there.
you have never snapped or broke a snapon ratchet or socket? then you obviously arnt using them. All tools break, HF has a no hassle, no reciept needed, no questions asked warranty...take it in, swap it out....dont gotta wait 3 weeks on the tool truck to get the tool in, or wait a week for him to show up if he has it on the truck.
How ya doing Chris; have you done a review of Nepros Tools? Thanks.
I have not. I've heard and seen good things but haven't ventured away from things and brands too far out of the US. Maybe one day.
None of the measurements are correct. You are splitting. 00mm and.05mm and holding it by hand the measurements will not be that accurate. Now you go to what really matters the quality of the steel as a heavy equipment field mechanic i dont grab a wrench or a ratchet or a socket that i dont trust. I have had my knuckles broke skin ripped off because of cheap crap. You spend your mony on what you think is right but i will spend my money on what i can trust
YUP!
I nearly rounded off a brake bleeder w a snap on wrench.
Im deciding between this and the husky master socket set.
Im a serious diyer, that will be restoring a prelude SH to like new spec, rebuilding an sr20, and swapping a 2jz.
Im in the tool purchasing phase. Which would you recommend?
Juan C Few things. Which is closest to you? Do the Husky sockets have the machine milled detent with the square cut out as they are easy to get off quick release and other ratchets but have some slop. ICON doesn’t have a quick release ratchet. The ICON sockets look and feel better than the Husky sockets and Husky is technically a Class 2 spec size where ICON is a Class 1 based on what I’ve measured. Both ICON or Husky will work and both have a lifetime warranty just comes down to $$$ and preferences. Lots of value in Husky. I would say also check out Tekton.
They’re equally close! The Harbor Freight is across the street from the Home Depot.
I did the math and it’s around 240.00 for just the metric set. I doubt I’d ever use standard size for my cars. And it’d be less if I skip the half inch sizes and just use/get impact sockets for those...
Juan C I didn’t buy any ICON SAE stuff won’t use it either. The Husky Model #: H200MSS 1/4 in., 3/8 in. and 1/2 in. Drive Socket Set (200-Piece) is like $200 if you can deal with the socket wiggle on the ratchet it’s a huge value but I think the 1/2” are 12pt and they might have a few other sets that include a storage holder. You’ll really primarily use what: the 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, and 19 and maybe 21 depending on mounts lugs and a few other things. Hold onto your receipt as both places have a 90 day warranty so see what is right for you.
@juan c I highly recommend Tekton. The newer husky stuff is not bad, I am undecided about Icon. I know that some of the Icon stuff is rebranded Tekton. For example the swivel head ratchets and composite ratchets are rebranded Tekton, or made by the same manufacturer that makes Tekton. I have had bad luck if HF tools. Nearly lost a finger to a fan and radiator accident when a Pittsburgh wrench rounded off a bolt on a fan clutch. Thank god for mechanics gloves. But even then I ended up with stitches. I would recommend you look at Tekton, you can buy them in no skip set and get just the tools you need. And their warranty it top notch. Break a tool, take a picture and email it to them and they will send you a new one. Not that I have ever broken any. I switched to Tekton about 2 years ago, they are my new go to brand. I restore old muscle cars as a hobbie, so I am not a professional mechanic, so snapon and other tool truck brands are out of my budget.
Tony romo
Checks tolerances of sockets with cheap calipers...vernier calipers at that...claims accuracy...
The same measuring tool is used on both so there's consistency there. If you want a better test, maybe you should do one for us?
This stuff is entertaining as heck. Don’t take this as a slight but I think u and Redemption garage are DIY guys or car and tool enthusiasts and I might b wrong but ur guys channel caters to DIY tool enthusiasts and they don’t understand about having reliable tools that are used 10 hrs a day everyday and sometimes u have to spend a little money lol yeah but look at a lot of other trades men and women like electricians 800 dollar flukes and I got a buddy that cuts trees down 800 chainsaws lol crazy but I’ve been in the business about 30 yrs and I’ve seen tools come and go. ICON no different look there’s no new innovation if anything they copied off Snap-On lol and it’s rebranded Carlyle wrenches lolI’m not saying there bad but it’s getting crazy 😂
Entertaining is a good way to put this. Thanks for commenting and watching as it support the tool community👌🏼
They messed up when they copied Snap-On's pricing. ICON is too cheap!
I don’t care how you cut the mustard I’ll buy icon for 25% or less then the price of snap on any day
Do a video of the tools in action.
Yeah!
I’m having the hardest time finding the part number for those blue socket trays by Carlyle. Can anyone help me out? Local Napa has no clue on product. Thanks👍
They are on sale for $12.99 at the moment and part numbers are as follows. 1/4 (CHT 721) 3/8 (CHT SD3810) 1/2 (CHT 5010)
ClientGraphics You da man! 👊🤘 Sale, my favorite 4 letter word.
Flexing your $10000 hat
Icon wrenches are so tight I have trouble getting open ends on fasteners.
Stanley yes they are the anti slip. They are starting to fit on fasteners now. I rather them fit really tight than loose though.
Hey Chris Harbor Freight today just did a walk around Icon toolbox review on there own TH-cam Channel check it out
Stan The Mann Thanks for the heads up, I saw it looks good! Thanks Stan you the Man!
Snap-on hat but your talkin about Icon tools. 😂
Alphonsus Jr Quitoriano 👍🏻 pointed that fact out at the end of the video. ICON doesn’t make a hat. 😂
ClientGraphics just giving you a hard time bro all fun and games. I just went to my harbor freight and got the 1/4 inch soft grip roto head ratchet and 1/4 metric deep well socket set. I’m very impressed just wish they put a 15mm in the 1/4 socket set! I love the 15mm 1/4 socket!
+Alphonsus Jr Quitoriano I would have liked a 15mm also. Very few inexpensive sets that can fill the whole 1/4 socket holders like the 13pc GearWrench. Even Tekton skips the 15mm and ends at 14mm in 1/4” drive
ClientGraphics over all though bro I can’t complain for what I get for the price. Maybe and hopefully they come with individual sockets for purchase and maybe they come out with a 15mm for purchase in 1/4
Gotta love a good snapon hat I have the same one
Not accurate if your testing used snap-on vs new icon. What would happen if you tested new snap-on vs used icon? Test new vs new or don't bother
They both are technically used and that 19mm ICON went to 200 ft-lbs multiple time in a prior video. Most used tools should still be within spec unless out of spec from the get go. Have fun and go measure some sockets ✌️
Here comes the fanboys 🤣
Trucker88 Wait, I’m a fan boy of both to a certain extent, what do I do?
ClientGraphics Can’t please everyone. Just keep calling it how you see it. It boggles my mind how much negativity circulates on tool channels. People get so emotional and irrational over YT videos.
Stanley I think it’s possible to be a fanboy of anything. I’m not really understanding your comment
Stanley Where did someone say to only buy HF? Did I miss something somewhere?
Test is BIAS because your using a Harbor Freight caliper vs a Snap On.....Get the Snap on caliper and I bet all those numbers will be dead nutz on.
The SnapOn 6" Electronic Caliper CAL6EA is well over $200. I'm sure it's accurate but can't justify the price point as I rarely use the one I have for checking rotors and a few other things. Great idea none the less and if I have the extra cash laying around I'll be sure to pick one up.
Snap-On does NOT make metrology tools like digital or vernier calipers, they are made by a metrology company (likely China) then re-branded as Snap-On. Machinist will NOT use any caliper for measurements that require significant accuracy (0.003" or better) due to the fact there are better measuring tools for specific measuring needs. Best mass produced digital calipers are Mitutoyo, Swiss made etalon dial calipers from about 30 years ago were excellent. Does using a made in China digital caliper make much difference with measuring internal hex sockets, likely NO. Accuracy of ANY caliper can be easily verified and checked by using a certified accurate gauge block. Once this is done to verify accuracy, it makes zero difference where the measuring tool came from or is made. There is one serious source of measurement error, position of the internal measurement jaws of the caliper -vs- internal hex opening. Trying to get the alignment absolutely correct is a LOT more complex than it appears. Does this really matter, not really due to the real world tolerances of threaded fasteners to be wrenched on exceed this source of error.
The better way to measure the internal hex opening would be to use a verified accurate adjustable parallel placed inside the internal hex (stack a gauge block with the adjustable parallel to reduce extension of the adjustable parallel as needed), adjust the parallel until it is completely seated firm against the largest area of the internal hex flats, then apply a certified micrometer on the parallel to measure what the internal hex opening is. This measurement technique will average the surface irregularities of the internal hex surfaces and give a better sense of what the actual working dimensions of the internal hex really is... and no, Snap-On does not make high precision adjustable parallels or high precision micrometers. Snap-On markets these measuring tools at best.
It is prejudice and blind loyalty to simply believe ALL made in China is JUNK... the reality and FACTS are far more complex than this. Root problem comes with taking sides or loyalty as this innate aspect of being human will blind one from the truth and reality of the way stuff really is.
These small differences with internal hex socket measurements amount to much of zero as the tolerances of nut-bolt-cap screw heads have far greater tolerances than what has been measured. There are international industry standards for this and ALL manufactures of tools and hardware follow these international standards. If not, interchangeability would be an absolute nightmare from production to service and more.
This video is pointless. It doesn't account for user error withthe measuring calipers. How can we be sure the calipers are 100% square to the side walls of thw sockets? A better test would be showing the actual play with a brand new bolt comparing the play in each socket with the same bolt.
This video seems pointless.
Truth hurts