For some reason, the electronic music makes it feel like 2013 youtube. So many youtubers have left, yet you're still the same and making VTOL SSTOs Love the content VAOS, you deserve more subs
If you're using KER, look at the torque value included with the full delta-V stats. That's how hard your engines at full throttle are trying to rotate the craft about the CoM. You can translate and rotate the engines to reduce the torque. Anything less then 1 is usually controllable, but aim for less then 0.1. doing it this way is more precise then just eyeballing the purple thrust vector. It also allows using less reaction wheels and less control surface deflection. This gives less dry mass, more delta v, and less drag.
An extra note about matching height of landing gear: The closer your landing gear are to the center of mass, the more weight they hold, the more their springs will compress. For my fighter designs, the main landing gear are always slightly lower than the front, because when physics are loaded, this makes them sit closer to level than they otherwise would be. This probably matters a lot more for aircraft than spacecraft, but for a horizontally taking off spacecraft, it definitely makes a difference too.
Now I understand why I fail so much with my designs. Thank you for this MASTERCLASS that I'm going to study and keep like gold! You're the best! ♥♥♥♥Something similar to the cargo SSTO VTOL at the end of this video is my goal!.
I never bothered with VTOLs too much but had made a Harrier AV-8A not long ago and man. I just love VTOL! I definitely need to try a more SSTO VTOL for other bodies also. This has gave me a cool layout to start with 👍
Interplanetary VTOLs are hell: you can't get far with rapiers only, nukes are heavy and bulky, the tradeoff between TWR and dV doesn't allow to VTOL well in high gravity. Huge rotating engine nacelles with nukes and rapiers combined tend to wobble a lot. Grapes of engines each with it's own pivot look ugly and are hard to arrange around center of mass.
@@PalassCat I love a challenge, so will have to come up with something very soon. On Xbox so makes life even more of a challenge as is haha, but all in good fun... just got done with a Chinook. Trying to do more Kerbin Vehicles as I've been to and landed on every Planetary body bar Lathe and Tylo (and Jool ofcourse. Only brief entered atmo and have made orbit).
@@cluelessgod97 Laythe is the best place for SSTOs because rapiers work in airbreathing mode at even higher altitude than on Kerbin. I always use it as a base camp for all operations around Jool and did some spaceplane missions to Eeloo and Dres after refueling on Laythe.
@@PalassCat I will keep this in mind thankyou! I've been trying to design a colony for Laythe also and VAOS's prior video on the base idea with the big thermal protector had me inspired for a design... I may do a unmanned base arrival and use a VTOL SSTO or if I struggle I'll have a VTOL in payload and attempt a manned landing with that to drop off crew and refuel and dock/return to Kerbin... I'm literally flooding with ideas right now haha. Thank you
Heyyy, so you could put nose cones behind the air-intake housing on those nacelles to remove more drag, and maybe tilt the wings up a lil for better lift, and how about dihedralling (totally a word) them a tad too for more stability in atmosphere. Anywayys, off to have breakfast.
Awesome Tutorial brother! Thanks for all the explanation. I've been using RCS Build Aid for years and never know that about the Red Ball! LOL I'm going to try to build that VTOL and land it on Laythe. Wish me luck!
The rcs aid mod! Wow I have it installed and didn't even know what is that for, life saver for SSTO planes. (A friend of mine gave me the game and I installed all his mods with Ckan)
Oh boy I'm starting to love TH-cam recommendations! (Only 25 minutes after the upload) 4:55 mmmh so the parachute with the node on the top (to attach on it the tower escape system) create more drag (without that system snapped on top)!? Cuz I recently have done an airplane with a parachute on the nose cone and it work very well but if that parachute have more drag than a normal nose cone then I'm loosing a lot of potential of that craft (I haven't yet unlocked the small nosecones so I can't do test as for now) 8:14 🤣🤣
Great video! Really helped! Just a quick note, you made a grammatical mistake in the description, it says "Helping YOU make you're very own VTOL SSTO" , when it should say "Helping YOU make your very own VTOL SSTO". But it doesn't matter, great tips!
I tried something similar, but my hinge didn't work well in symmetry mode. I had one hinge hinging while the other did not. Didn't fly well obviously. It would work temporarily, but if I moved something, one of my hinges stopped working.
This reminds me of a Cave Johnson phrase "Science isn't about why!, it's about why not!?" 😆 not entirely sure why we'd need a VTOL firetruck... But because we CAN build it we SHOULD!
Thanks for this video. I made mine a bit bigger (4 section shuttle cargo bay w/8 Rapiers on each wing). It's a bit touchy on the controls but took it to orbit and landed it. Over shot the runway a bit, about 1/4 of the planet, so I'm wondering when is a good time to retro-burn? I tried 90* prior that time so was planning to try about 170* or so. Do you have a ball park area that you use for retro-burn on a space plane? Also, how can I determine if I have enough wing? I could not maintain altitude without keeping the nose up so I'm thinking I need more wing sections but am running out of places to put engines. My TtW ratio is about 1.33/1 with an empty cargo bay.
When I'm aiming for the KSC I like to be in atmosphere by the desert to the west, if that helps. Re-entry takes a long time, it'll be a lot of trial and error before you get it right.
Nice little thing, both aerodynamically and aesthetically. I'd like to see something like this but Mun or Duna - capable. All my medium range VTOL SSTOs tend to have terrible aerodynamics, even worse look and they can VTOL only on Duna or lesser celestials because only nuclear engines can rotate (I couldn't put all types of engines on hinges without too much wobbliness or ugliness)
I'm not sure what I did wrong. When I go go to normal flight, my craft just wants to keep banking one way or the other. I feel like a victim of the kraken.
im not sure why but for me my robot parts do not want to go down, if I start with them in "vtol" mode, they snap back to flight mode, and even point upwards. i am playing modded, so I hope it isn't a mod issue. any ideas?
make an action group that locks the hinges after the switch. just spam it until ur sure their locked. then make an action group that unlocks them before you go vertical.
@@vaos3712 Tried that. I get an error message saying something like: cannot lock hinge while it is moving. It looks like the Rapier gimbal is messing it up? I tried disabling gimbal before locking, which didn't work. I also tried increasing damping and decreasing traverse rate. And I made it slightly different from your tutorial (main difference I used a drone core instead of the cargo bay thing).
@@therealdefoma Ya thats a common error message, best u can do is spam the lock action group key and hopefully it locks after a few time. Also the reason i put only the engine and two light weight aerodynamic parts on the hing is because those hinges are horrible with too much weight. So put as little as possible on them or the wobble will be real bad. Other than that, all i can do is wish you the best of luck captain 🫡
you should try free iva mod in ksp. It is really great mod that allows the Kerbal to move around the ship in first person (inside). Really great for base
why does for me (im building a vtol jet) and im using the same technice of engine placement like in a service bay/hinge combo and for some reason one of the two hinges will decide it doesnt want to work at all... IDK why it does this but it like makes the hinges not work/turn
@@vaos3712 Thank you, although I did manage to figure this out by testing, but this is still helpful to know as now i know for sure that is the problem
So... ugh... If you are still reading comments, I need helpT_T For some misterious reason one of the hinges always wobble like shit, no matter if its copied or rebuilt by hand. Seems like a bug to me, actually. So, ugh... whats your game version exactly?
That’s strange. Everyone else is telling me that it works fine. Maybe you have a mod like FAR or something messing up the craft flight characteristics. Good luck on getting it figured out. 😎👍
@@vaos3712 for something more in depth, vtol mode kinda didn't work on the right engine but I fixed that. Shuttle mode works fine but vtol mode flips it over. (I am unable to see dry mass)
Damn I really want to use this design but for some reason it completely just doesn’t work :/ I even built it following your vid to the inch Edit: Yeah for some reason the second I shift the engines the hinge fucking breaks , I love KSP
I find the fact that VAOS doesn't have 100k subscribers yet utterly mystifying
One of the biggest mysteries in human civilization
The found out how to make Roman concrete but not why Vaos hasn't exploded yet
Ikr? This channel makes such great video's, a shame really...
I think that is because KSP and especially SSTO are of a niche of viewer here on TH-cam (and I think in general)
One would call it perplexing, like seriously the sheer quality of these videos is amazing
Mind Boggling
I, too, find the fact that VAOS doesn't have 100k subscribers yet utterly mystifying
For some reason, the electronic music makes it feel like 2013 youtube. So many youtubers have left, yet you're still the same and making VTOL SSTOs
Love the content VAOS, you deserve more subs
How to weed the cult wheat from the space chaff: "But Vaos, you should've closed off the rear green nodes on the service bays!"
Wait for it...
Great work! I love the “you should have watched the whole video”
It’s a 19 min video that doesn’t feel long enough
Space cult
The dedication and quality stands out man.
Your passion for KSP is very inspiring to me, I'm high right now and this is cool asf.
If you're using KER, look at the torque value included with the full delta-V stats. That's how hard your engines at full throttle are trying to rotate the craft about the CoM. You can translate and rotate the engines to reduce the torque. Anything less then 1 is usually controllable, but aim for less then 0.1. doing it this way is more precise then just eyeballing the purple thrust vector. It also allows using less reaction wheels and less control surface deflection. This gives less dry mass, more delta v, and less drag.
Best ksp TH-camr
An extra note about matching height of landing gear: The closer your landing gear are to the center of mass, the more weight they hold, the more their springs will compress. For my fighter designs, the main landing gear are always slightly lower than the front, because when physics are loaded, this makes them sit closer to level than they otherwise would be.
This probably matters a lot more for aircraft than spacecraft, but for a horizontally taking off spacecraft, it definitely makes a difference too.
Now I understand why I fail so much with my designs. Thank you for this MASTERCLASS that I'm going to study and keep like gold! You're the best! ♥♥♥♥Something similar to the cargo SSTO VTOL at the end of this video is my goal!.
Hahaha the music and the beginning is amazing!
glad to see you made out of that tunnel safely
I never bothered with VTOLs too much but had made a Harrier AV-8A not long ago and man. I just love VTOL!
I definitely need to try a more SSTO VTOL for other bodies also. This has gave me a cool layout to start with 👍
Interplanetary VTOLs are hell: you can't get far with rapiers only, nukes are heavy and bulky, the tradeoff between TWR and dV doesn't allow to VTOL well in high gravity. Huge rotating engine nacelles with nukes and rapiers combined tend to wobble a lot. Grapes of engines each with it's own pivot look ugly and are hard to arrange around center of mass.
@@PalassCat I love a challenge, so will have to come up with something very soon.
On Xbox so makes life even more of a challenge as is haha, but all in good fun... just got done with a Chinook. Trying to do more Kerbin Vehicles as I've been to and landed on every Planetary body bar Lathe and Tylo (and Jool ofcourse. Only brief entered atmo and have made orbit).
@@cluelessgod97 Laythe is the best place for SSTOs because rapiers work in airbreathing mode at even higher altitude than on Kerbin. I always use it as a base camp for all operations around Jool and did some spaceplane missions to Eeloo and Dres after refueling on Laythe.
@@PalassCat I will keep this in mind thankyou!
I've been trying to design a colony for Laythe also and VAOS's prior video on the base idea with the big thermal protector had me inspired for a design...
I may do a unmanned base arrival and use a VTOL SSTO or if I struggle I'll have a VTOL in payload and attempt a manned landing with that to drop off crew and refuel and dock/return to Kerbin... I'm literally flooding with ideas right now haha.
Thank you
@@PalassCat what's the atmo resistance like compared to Kerbin?
Like, if my parachutes safely slow down decent on Kerbin, will it also on Laythe?
Listen at dat FUNKY FRESH JAM while watching dat SSTO that just SLAPPS
how tf do you have so little subs? you're doing amazing work, good luck!
Heyyy, so you could put nose cones behind the air-intake housing on those nacelles to remove more drag, and maybe tilt the wings up a lil for better lift, and how about dihedralling (totally a word) them a tad too for more stability in atmosphere. Anywayys, off to have breakfast.
🤣🤣🤣
You watched the vid didn't you, we know the lies #spacecult
Awesome Tutorial brother! Thanks for all the explanation. I've been using RCS Build Aid for years and never know that about the Red Ball! LOL I'm going to try to build that VTOL and land it on Laythe. Wish me luck!
The rcs aid mod! Wow I have it installed and didn't even know what is that for, life saver for SSTO planes. (A friend of mine gave me the game and I installed all his mods with Ckan)
if anyone makes a craft with the mk2 parts,there is also the inline mk2 Drone, SAS reaction wheel thingy, which is actually pretty powerful.
A bit late to seeing the video but space space cult forever. "You should of watched the whole video"
Good tactics Capitan
Oh boy I'm starting to love TH-cam recommendations! (Only 25 minutes after the upload)
4:55 mmmh so the parachute with the node on the top (to attach on it the tower escape system) create more drag (without that system snapped on top)!?
Cuz I recently have done an airplane with a parachute on the nose cone and it work very well but if that parachute have more drag than a normal nose cone then I'm loosing a lot of potential of that craft (I haven't yet unlocked the small nosecones so I can't do test as for now)
8:14 🤣🤣
Damn, its been a full decade since I've heard dubstep.
Love those concealed intakes 😎
That super sized vtol was bad ass
This is cool asf man
In this rcs build aid you can look thrust torque. This mod more helpful then you can imagine)
Music: Awesome!
Ship: Serious Business!
Kerbal: Waddle! Clamber! Stumble!
Me: 🤣
Great video! Really helped! Just a quick note, you made a grammatical mistake in the description, it says "Helping YOU make you're very own VTOL SSTO" , when it should say "Helping YOU make your very own VTOL SSTO". But it doesn't matter, great tips!
I tried something similar, but my hinge didn't work well in symmetry mode. I had one hinge hinging while the other did not. Didn't fly well obviously. It would work temporarily, but if I moved something, one of my hinges stopped working.
Very instructive and helpful. Thanks VAOS.
You should check out and learn throttle controlled avionics and show it off. That and atmospheric auto pilot you can do amazing things in ksp
Imma go make to variations of this ssto
One with raipers, one with whiplash and panthers.
Cool! You should have more subs
Also I think piolet broke your ssto record just watch the video
I watched till the end. Lol. Only 13 days left to 2.0!!!
Make a vtol firetruck
This reminds me of a Cave Johnson phrase "Science isn't about why!, it's about why not!?" 😆 not entirely sure why we'd need a VTOL firetruck... But because we CAN build it we SHOULD!
@@stratotramp6243 i agree
I was wondering about the node on the back of the service bay the whole video XD
Thanks for this video. I made mine a bit bigger (4 section shuttle cargo bay w/8 Rapiers on each wing). It's a bit touchy on the controls but took it to orbit and landed it. Over shot the runway a bit, about 1/4 of the planet, so I'm wondering when is a good time to retro-burn? I tried 90* prior that time so was planning to try about 170* or so. Do you have a ball park area that you use for retro-burn on a space plane? Also, how can I determine if I have enough wing? I could not maintain altitude without keeping the nose up so I'm thinking I need more wing sections but am running out of places to put engines. My TtW ratio is about 1.33/1 with an empty cargo bay.
When I'm aiming for the KSC I like to be in atmosphere by the desert to the west, if that helps. Re-entry takes a long time, it'll be a lot of trial and error before you get it right.
Haha, love the "secret" tips.
THANK YOU VAOS!
Nice little thing, both aerodynamically and aesthetically. I'd like to see something like this but Mun or Duna - capable. All my medium range VTOL SSTOs tend to have terrible aerodynamics, even worse look and they can VTOL only on Duna or lesser celestials because only nuclear engines can rotate (I couldn't put all types of engines on hinges without too much wobbliness or ugliness)
Hectic dubstep music
the hazardish incident
Hi one question why dont you upload your blueprints so every one could downlode them??
one day. 😎
Nice😎
Nice😎
am i buggin or you turned off restock when you did a test flight
I'm not sure what I did wrong. When I go go to normal flight, my craft just wants to keep banking one way or the other. I feel like a victim of the kraken.
You should have watched the who.......But, I did watch.
im not sure why but for me my robot parts do not want to go down, if I start with them in "vtol" mode, they snap back to flight mode, and even point upwards. i am playing modded, so I hope it isn't a mod issue. any ideas?
14:50 … also make sure your robotic parts have Autostrut Disabled.
I followed the whole tutorial. The problem is that when I switch from vertical to horizontal, the hinges become super floppy. How do I fix this?
make an action group that locks the hinges after the switch. just spam it until ur sure their locked. then make an action group that unlocks them before you go vertical.
@@vaos3712 Tried that. I get an error message saying something like: cannot lock hinge while it is moving. It looks like the Rapier gimbal is messing it up? I tried disabling gimbal before locking, which didn't work. I also tried increasing damping and decreasing traverse rate. And I made it slightly different from your tutorial (main difference I used a drone core instead of the cargo bay thing).
@@therealdefoma Ya thats a common error message, best u can do is spam the lock action group key and hopefully it locks after a few time. Also the reason i put only the engine and two light weight aerodynamic parts on the hing is because those hinges are horrible with too much weight. So put as little as possible on them or the wobble will be real bad.
Other than that, all i can do is wish you the best of luck captain 🫡
@@vaos3712 Thanks. I hope you get to 30k subs soon. Your content is amazing.
What about VTOL ssrt space plane?
When is the next colony vid???
no clue
you should try free iva mod in ksp. It is really great mod that allows the Kerbal to move around the ship in first person (inside). Really great for base
No not the first dang it
why does for me (im building a vtol jet) and im using the same technice of engine placement like in a service bay/hinge combo and for some reason one of the two hinges will decide it doesnt want to work at all... IDK why it does this but it like makes the hinges not work/turn
14:49 😎
@@vaos3712 Thank you, although I did manage to figure this out by testing, but this is still helpful to know as now i know for sure that is the problem
and interestingly enough this has happened to me before where I encounter a problem because I dont watch the entire video lol
How do I build this on Xbox without the helpful tools? Btw thanks for your awesome Content!
i wish i could help you but im only PC
Man, this ssto dosen't work for me. Why?
I've followed every step, until the end of the video. it can't fly
The engines don't have enough thrust in VTOL mode and when i try to take off normally, the engines start to swing and i crash.
So... ugh... If you are still reading comments, I need helpT_T
For some misterious reason one of the hinges always wobble like shit, no matter if its copied or rebuilt by hand. Seems like a bug to me, actually. So, ugh... whats your game version exactly?
youre a genuis
First!
Bug ThE FUK OUT! too funny 😁
SPACE CULT!
This doesn't work
That’s strange. Everyone else is telling me that it works fine. Maybe you have a mod like FAR or something messing up the craft flight characteristics. Good luck on getting it figured out. 😎👍
@@vaos3712 for something more in depth, vtol mode kinda didn't work on the right engine but I fixed that. Shuttle mode works fine but vtol mode flips it over. (I am unable to see dry mass)
I never figured it out@@vaos3712
Damn I really want to use this design but for some reason it completely just doesn’t work :/ I even built it following your vid to the inch
Edit:
Yeah for some reason the second I shift the engines the hinge fucking breaks , I love KSP
I love you
That intro needs to be trimmed back a bit. Almost clicked away.
Don't show lockheed martin this
VAOS ARE YOUE EXCITED FOR KSP 2?!?!?!??!?!!!???!?/!1?!!11!??!ONE!1?!??/!??SLASH!/!??!
unfortunate intro
:O
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