"As you heal, attention stops looking like love, attachment stops looking like connection, bare minimum stops looking like effort, enmeshment stops looking like intimacy, and trauma bonding tribe stops looking like support."
Pokimane is a great example of this for me. The most basic surface level positivity, and a violent, knee jerk pushback against even a hint of negativity.
Yeah I don't care if it's old news or unpopular but the way she treated that Fedm dude was not right at all definitely led him on, gave him weird af mixed signals, and then farmed his emotional reaction for content knowing her army of simps would defend no matter what. Not cool made me lose my not caring opinion of her towards negative hope they made things right and both get happier plus grow from it since it already happened and sucks that's all good that could come from it.
Honestly the guy is right. Its about fulfillment. If events in games keep us fulfilled then there is no reason to feel fulfilled by living a normal life.
This is actually what got me into growing plants, i just felt empty playing games one day as i was getting into collecting, now i actually have something to be proud of, there was a great artist who said, my greatest work of art is my garden. The old ways are being lost and i hope dearly it horseshoes back around into some normalcy where kids touch grass and build things again
@@pluralizor2957 I think im you, the you that was growing empty by playing games, the escapism was working but then i started to want more out of them, but they didnt fufill me like they used to, and once i finish them its back into the void, of unfulfillment of this normal life, the daly grind, of day to day. Have i failed in this world or has this world never been fulfilling for me..I don't know, but i know one thing, i dislike the normal life.
A big reason I follow you and not a lot of others is your chill, honest, relaxed way of streaming. So many others just try way too hard and come off boring and generic. Thank you for being real with us on everything, even your personal life. You are a real one, Sir!
And I recognize and respect Asmon's knowledge and experience with video games and the internet. He's a real MMO gamer and has an understanding of humans that play videogames etc.
Video games and digital media are the only ways I can maintain my relationship with my brother who moved half way across the country. I cherish every game and session we spend with each other. The sense of acheivenet and fulfilment are different for everyone.
Otherwise what would you have if not for the internet and social media. Telegrams, occasional letters that don't have the same amount of conveyance of emotion or camaraderie with your brother.
You think so but that is not the case. There are many ways except for through the internet. You just take it for granted since it's been with you your whole life.
@@nlnu1337 There are letters and phone calls. Those are the best you can hope for in long distance friendship or family connection without the internet. So no.
@@Tritonpools1981 Of course you can try to visit but that's not always realistic. At least something like bonding with your brother over a video game is better than nothing. The further away they are, the harder it is to see them.
Honestly, thank you for that. I don’t get fulfillment out of playing video games anymore like I used to. But I do have a full time job as an electrician, and I absolutely love putting my heart into it. You really open my eyes as to why I don’t like playing games as much anymore.❤️❤️
My husband was the same way. He played video games for years but as soon as he hit his 30s, he just lost interest. His goals have changed from video games to a career at a factory.
Yea I seem to be the exactly the same way.. I find more enjoyment in trying to do better In real life just like I would have in games back in the day. Theres even a relation to grinding out levels as that translated to the real life grind hahah. But I still try play games a little and do enjoy them just not in the all life absorbing way.
This has been my favourite video from you so far. I'd love to see you cover the topic of gaming versus real life more in the future. There's so much depth to everything that was covered in this video. I know it certainly helped me reflect on a few things and find some new perspectives! Thank you!
what asmon said about the 3 levels of realisation is pretty spot on I feel, there's a similar zen buddhist saying, “Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.” ― Dōgen
It’s not some big brain shit. What asmon is saying is about appreciating things for what they are nothing deep or ground breaking. But that was not the argument the video was trying to make. The creator does appreciate video games as entertainment but they exploit the players innate desire to explore, provide and lead
@@phutureproof your statement had even less value, for those who have context the words in that quote do have meaning because it puts in words what many come to realize over the course of their life. It's symbolic, not literal. That symbols have no meaning to you shows that you think the mountains are not mountains, and the waters are not waters.
@@phutureproof Some people wish to gain an understanding of the mountains. What you're saying is equivalent to saying that philosophers are pointless because you don't need to be smart to live life.
I think the biggest problem we have right now is that we have it so good that it's hard to find a sense of purpose. Farmers used to farm because otherwise they would have no food, they didn't have a choice, so they did what they had to do. Now everything is so easy, and there are so few threats, that we have to find something else fulfilling to do. And with so many possible directions to take your life in, it is easy to get struck with option paralysis.
@@furuhatanzbr Well it's not really just because we ''give'' it meaning Even without language we'd know I was able to use my own body to get past my opponent. Even animals play like this
@@Tigerhearty As long as I get enjoyment out of something, no matter how short lived, it wasn't meaningless. Nothing is ever wasteful unless you feel it is. Some people, like me, didn't end up committing suicide during a really dark part of their life because video games existed. So tell me again how video games are meaningless. However, if YOU feel it's a waste of time to do these things, then don't do them. Do something you feel isn't a waste of time.
@@Tigerhearty with all the censorship going on lately i have a feeling we're entering into the dark age of anti intellectualism. nothing we can do but adapt or make workarounds for it like most have been doing. however, i believe that human creativity can still tap into their potential in new ways in spite of the limitations that get imposed.
What he said is the reason why I became religious. If there is no God then we might as well just blow up this sad little planet, but if there actually is a greater purpose, then there is hope
I'm glad Asmon talked about the fulfillment part. I really hate when people tell you what to do to have a fulfilling life or when someone tells you "you wasted so many years doing that when you could've done something better"... No I didn't waste my time, I did what I wanted to do and I don't regret it. It's one thing if someone comes to a conclusion that they wasted their time with something instead doing something else and they try to change it, but it's compeletly different if someone else tries to change you. Look at your own life and stop telling people what to do with theirs just because you don't like or understand something.
i think that the things we do in life are important. but not in the context we are used to seeing. this life is temporary, obviously. death is inevitable. we are spiritual beings locked in a physical world. the things we do are important in the context of self-fulfillment. living a fulfilling life is dependent on the person which has many variables that sometimes cannot be conceived by other people. it is up to the person themselves to decide what their path to fulfillment looks like.
I appreciate Zack’s take when he said that this sounds like an internal problem instead of an external one. I live a real life, have meaningful relationships, and also play games and watch my favorite streamers. It’s just entertainment, not some existential crisis.
same, I remember somebody asked me once how religious people can play video games that has gods, demigods, etc in it. And he found it shocking when I told him that real life and fantasy/video games/movies etc are not the same thing. You can be religious irl and enjoy a fantasy story that has gods and demigods etc. You can also be an atheist in real life and enjoy a fantasy story that has gods and demigods etc. Because it's just entertainment.
@@anon8139 So what's your point? Is that your great argument against the Bible... lol. If you read the Bible, Jesus never tells you to do that, infact he preaches AGAINST hurting anybody. You should turn the other cheek. So why did people still wage wars that were "christians"? Well, because you can believe the bible whilst not obeying the bible. Meaning, if Jesus himself would analyze those very people that killed others in his name, he would not call them "christians" or his sheep. Do you see the flawed view you have? In order to come with an argument, you have to understand the issue first. The reason so many fake christians killed in the name of God was because they never really were christians to begin with, but fooled by the devil that these acts of evil somehow were good. The road to hell is paved in good intentions. I bet if you asked those very people they would have great justifications for what they did. But if you read the Bible, Jesus does not ever ever ever one time AT ALL say, that murdering someone is ok. not even hurting someone. If you don't follow what Jesus says, you're simply not his sheep. You're simply not christian. You gotta play by the rules layed out by the Bible if you wanna make such arguments, dude.
@@siegpasta hahaha, everyone is such an NPC who knows absolutely nothing but espouses their opinions regardless. The character of Jesus says very contradictory things throughout the bible. He definitely promotes violence in many instances. Here are a few that are more obvious Matthew 10:34: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household." Luke 19:27: "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me." Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." (According to the scholar I read, you can't chop this up to misinterpretation, Jesus is literally saying to hate) Now, you don't have to change your opinion if the narratives you like to believe give you less discomfort than having to make sense of the facts of what is actually said by the mythological jesus. The jesus character has a lot of virtues, but it's still a product of the mind of writers and mythology traditions from the past
Other streamers: "It's not your fault, it's -everything else but yours- fault that you're watching me for the least 6 hours" Asmon: "Bruh you're lazy, GTFO do something"
As another exemple, Amouranth continued to upload porn movies the same day she was crying on her stream telling the world that her partner forced her to post lewd content. She never stopped uploading since then (the post count keeps on increasing). Yet no one is covering that because almost ever known youtuber took her words for granted and don't want to admit they have been bamboozled like everyone else. So it is not only between content creators and their followers, but the echo chambers between content creators of same mindsets that ride on the same waves for easy content. It is in their interest to follow the majority and mimic each other, and this to the detriment of the viewers as very few due diligence is done. This creates strange situtations where a content creator can bash loot boxes in an EA game because it is a popular topic, but promote Raid Shadow legends in the same video. They will also promote something like "established titles" without again some due diligence as other content creators do it also. So it must be ok, right. We often follow these digitial surogates because they fill a void .. the problem is, with what is that void filled? Something to think about.
Someone finally said it. She was being forced to stream that content that I guess she didn't want to do, yet continues to stream that content now? Right. The fact that no one has called her out on that is really sad. Content creator communities are, as you said, echo chambers where people just agree with everyone else and throw out all integrity and morals. Sad stuff
@@JayceCH. Of course. It can apply to anyone. In the beginning of youtube, content was made with hart and care. Since the insert of moneytisation (be it from youtube or alternative sources like Patreon) we can't trust the motivations anymore. Can we blame them? Not entirely, as long as we watch, they will make it. Social media adapts to the needs and desires of the viewers. So if we want it to change, we should start by adapting the way we consume it.
Some people never get that innate feeling of taking care of oneself sadly. I didnt for YEARS before I realized I needed to change. I had a messed up childhood and I’ve been trying to fix myself for the past 8 years and within the past 6 months starting seeing a therapist and going to groups. I’m still not all the way there, but I’m working on it.
Jordan peterson compared porn to tinkerbell in peter pan, peter pan had a real life girl who liked him, but she had her priorities in order, she knew she wanted to marry and have children with a man she loves, peter pan instead of accepting he had to grow up, chose Tinkerbell, an imaginary fairy peterson called the porn fairy
Ahh, good old JP, the lord of using big words, believing his own hype and mistaking the variables for the cause. This is the problem with hero worshipping men and not God through Jesus, you'll only make errors then be led off course to what is Actually wrong. ~ A Tremendous amount of people, "I'd argue the Vast Majority on Earth", are watching porn because they're alone, lonely, in a Horrifying relationship or rejected, "Often many times until all self respect is destroyed when it shouldn't have been, all due to the brainwashing society to fake standards and beliefs has raped into several generations", not because there's a magic fairy friend. Hatred, distrust, pride, unwelcoming, ungiving, and not living in love is why this problem is occurring. I'm not saying Peterson hasn't figured these things out himself separately, but if you've seen his videos lately he's VERY clearly becoming an extremist to his own self proclaimed wisdom and personal beliefs and demands. Not saying they're all wrong mind you. But they're Certainly not all right either. ~ This world won't be fixed by him, it will be fixed by every individual, willing to love and accept others again, that or God acts.
A few years ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist." I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever. I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart. Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us deeply. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them. Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, Truly becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
@@narsakucanada154 Porn is that "magic" since if you think about how we go into it. It was like a high because we knew it was bad but also "good". Some people now got exposted to it at excessively young ages. Yes this does bleed into anti-social behaviors where some people just don't know how to act even if there's a screen between them
When Asmon is trying to debate the claim that the human desire to want a thing outweighs the joy of then having it is exploited. I was just like... Come on asmon. The mount farming?? He falls victim to exactly that
But there is one example that exists that shows an exception. Therefore the rule doesn't exist! Also Jonah never survived three days inside a fish because we all know the bible is meant to be read literal (I am not personally christian btw)
Asmon is king of not waiting until the whole argument is presented before arguing against it. Also, half the time he misunderstands what the video is saying. We know video games fills in the need of accomplishment that we want from real life, except it is artificially presented to us in such a way where you will always be moving forward and progressing to a degree. In most things in life you can get started, butif you fail, you fail and your time is wasted.
if you try something once in real life and fail and never try again well then that's a you problem and you should probably question why you give up so easily in real life.
Right? Usually I'm on board with his takes. However, these arguments went no where. The 19 year old feeling unfulfilled argument for example. Like, oh really? You haven't struck anything fulfilling yet and thus you opt for the quick and instantly gratifying artificial sense of fulfillment, only to find yourself never even attempting at real life again because your down and depressed? Finding yourself consumed in radical rational thinking, enveloped with theories of inevitability and entropy. With probably no real community to support you when things that are guaranteed to give out begin to start giving out. A lot arguments being laid out all the time by Asmongold are heavily reliant on the presupposition that time isn't a factor and that what ever comfort has been accumulated now is permanently, lasting and will continue to exist forever. Once you can't use the internet anymore because the computer screen is to sensitive for your deteriorating brain and your eyesight is rapidly fading all due to some underlying decease or a nasty stumble over the trash in your room, or even just due to age; who exactly is going to be there to take care of you, and how are you going to get your fulfillment? Is it going to be your parents who might be long dead by then? Your kids you don't have? That partner from your previous relationship you failed to maintain? How about that lovely and helpful neighbor you have never even spoken to? Do you know his name? Is he really arguing that without videogames, every dispositioned person in history should have just opted out of life because the existentiality of their inability to compete with some markets? Because life isn't always fair? Like, no! that's simply a wrong take. These are the words of a self destructive and depressed mind that has dominated the entire person, and tricked it into escapist fantasies. You know why depressed people sleep for 16 hours a day? Because the dream world is a portal through which the mind can escape to the world beyond, death, a world which it feels like it can control. The mind is seeking a literal after life. You walk that razor's edge long enough and you'll be one terrible set back removed from self deletion practices, and god knows life has plenty of terrible set backs in store for us. POINT IS: That mind is an organ like any other and you are the being in-between. You have to be able to negotiate with your mind, and a tell tale sign that you're failing is when you're becoming depended on parasocial relations. If you have your house in relatively decent order, which is hard work, you won't outpace your own restraints and you can enjoy these leisure activities as they are, never finding you blank staring into the screen because the game ended and you have nothing left in your library to play, or no money in the bank to purchase any.
The Twilight Zone episode this video referenced is one of my favorites. And I think he misrepresented it which actually hurt his point. In the episode, the criminal found that he couldn't lose at anything. If he robbed the bank, the police couldn't catch him. If he played Poker, he won every hand. That was the problem. While he enjoyed it at first, he came to realize that winning only has any value if you can lose in the first place. Imagine getting the worst hand you could in Poker, making no effort to hide it, and still beating the other 10 people at the table.
so instead of just robbing a bank and living a happy life he had to keep gambling instead of just not competing and living with no adversity. Yeah, that would be terrible.
4:08 When he talked about that phenomenon I really related to it because just yesterday I was watching his stream and he sounded exactly the way he did in the example but I was thinking if he was having a bad day and I almost asked him if he was okay. He is right that the hyperactive personas have conditioned my perception of content creators to be oversensitive
I disagree Asmon. Your digital life can not replace the real ones. Your digital friends do not share your life experience with you. They are not there when you are at your family's funeral, they are not there when you're having a backyard BBQ, they are not there to support you when you are trying to get over an addiction, they are not there when you are having a special moment and want to share it someone. So if you're fully immersed in the digital world, thinking you can get away from building a real life outside of it, you'd be in for a major reckoning down the road. And so many people have already fallen into this trap. Digital surrogacy is real. People watch you and donate to you and try to have discussions with you thinking that's the same thing as building a friendship. But you know that that's not the case.
It's not, but there's no doubt the internet has revolutionized it. We now have hundreds of thousands of microcelebrities that you can have direct daily contact with especially being noticed for monetary support. Webcam girls, streamers, youtubers etc.
I got bullied as a young boy for moste of my school time. Video games did give me an escape and made me didn’t kill my self. In the end of your a young boy no one cares about you. For man we’re only important and “liked” if we’re providing value or knowledge. As a young boy you have nothing and you’re basically usless. Video games did give me a challenge and in the end a chance at life. I’m really thankful for that now at 29
Well it kinda tells what this person is about. His takes sounds like a 35-40 eyar old stuck at the age of 15. Worst part imo, is that this dude probably made this in his basement alone REEing over society and its not his fault why is the way he is. Just how many times he brings up girls online makes me want to put him in a certain category. Hard to take seriously.
He probably knows it better than most because he's lived through this mentality. He did mention that 16 y/o Asmon would've downvoted the vid just for that one quote about video game achievements not mattering IRL
Around 25:00, Asmongold misunderstood the cause and effect proposed by the video. Video sugests industrialization causes the split, which digitalization then tries to substitute the missing element (this then begs another question of what were people doing in between). But Asmongold misunderstood and argued that digitalization was in the 90s and people regularly moved out of family long before.
Of course he would say technology massively gave benefits to people...look at him.....streaming makes him thousands if not millions...he's statements are kinda biased there. Yes, tech has helped in alot of ways, but it also has deteriorated others....for example you can see at a restaurant people look at their phones more than they socialize with the person in front of them...this is NOT a benefit at all
Holy F that intro made me cringe so hard. I rather would like to listen to the ideas or thoguhts ratehr than "E-girls BAD".. Sounds like the dude is projecting like crazy.
@@KarvidSR i dont understand Why people like you act like this. You are shown that there is a problem, given arguments on it and shown how the problem manifest (ie amouranth using her position to profit off vulnerable men) and you get mad and scream “incel”
@@dumitrache12, guys want attention from Amouranth, she gives it to them for money. I don't see a victim. She isn't DMing guys with promises of marriage or taking scam loans from them.
Part of the joy of obtaining most things is the work you have to put in to obtain them. That's the entire business model of Ikea. They make you put it together not only to save on storage space of materials and to make things semi-customizable, but also to give you a sense of accomplishment for having put it together yourself. You will have a memory associated with that product.
The point of an achievement is the achievement itself. If you’re seeking something for a separate pay-off then it’s not a goal, an achievement, it’s just a means to an end.
18:50 actually at least to me, understanding the truth behind how videogames are made just made me appreciate them even more in the long run. They are not anymore this "larger than life" like projects filled with things that make them magical. They're just projects made by a person or a group of person like me, like you and like anyone else. I wholeheartedly believe that demystifying what goes behind things actually makes them more appealing and interesting. Even makes you feel smarter just by knowing how it was done or how it works.
asmon being confused about how its worse today than it was years ago being connected to money is just true sadly since you cant own anything anymore if youre middle class or lower and it erodes every year
Personally, one of MY biggest issues is indecisiveness. I have so many opportunities and routes that its difficult to chose so I end up with the status quo.
This is one of the realest comments ever. It feels like if I pick one direction then I miss out on the others, so the safest bet is to sit down right here and miss them all.
25:00 - What you talking about 70-80-50! The man is saying industrial revolution! go a century or two back! He is talking about the change that forced men to never be home to father their sons, and work in a factory the whole day. What used to be the norm only during wars, became the normal life for everyone at all time.
Forbidden Planet was an excellent film. Definitely worth watching. Though the narrator was wrong, in that the father never had an incestuous relationship with his daughter.
33:20 Lots actually. When the harvest season was over, it was essentially free time until the next season. The farmer wasn't growing a second helping during Winter.
This is one area that I totally disagree with Asmon’s point of view. The whole “well as long as YOUR happy” mentality is one of the most detrimental world views to come about. It’s true everyone has selfish tendencies but the internet and the digital has exacerbated those tendencies to a tangible negative level here in the west. And it’s not a lifestyle anyone truly wants to live either. People will cope hard af on this topic because it’s just true. They’ll come up with all the excuses and rationalizations they can to masquerade it as a valid existence. But we all know the truth. We want to be of service to others and leave a lasting impact on our communities and world beyond our selfish little existence. Whether that’s through family or community service and no digital realm or indulging behavior can be a substitute for it. At least not for any extended amount of time. Not a single person who has lived a life only in service to themselves has ever died genuinely happy. Only psychopaths do that.
It's hard to disagree with people on either side of the argument here. Asmon makes good points, but he speaks from the perspective of a single man who owns an inherited home in one of the least expensive cost of living states in the US, he rarely drives, he eats for one, he has made a very comfortable living in something that he's very good at, and that has great job security. That doesn't invalidate his opinion. But a viewer with 4 children and a wife, who is working full time for a 55K salary in a field that is considered lucrative, didn't buy a home in 2012 when interest rates were half of what they were now and is having trouble competing in a market where people are buying up houses with cash to turn them into income properties, and is struggling to live on what should be a liveable income because groceries and gas have both doubled in the last year... Asmon doesn't understand that side of the argument. This guy's opinion makes sense.
Asmon had an extremely uncommon L take in this video. Just because we have more resources and conveniences in this modern time than our grandparents doesn't mean we have more opportunity. The same advantages we have are also the same ones everyone else has. It doesn't matter how good my internet is or if I have a smartphone, there are numerous others with that advantage and more. How we live our life has changed, we have more bills now, we have more competition for jobs, we have more competition for homes.
"People are never going to be happy because they aren't happy with themself" ~ Asmon @33:55 ... and my therapist told me the same thing lol. That really is the truth though. Even in the same vein of this video, people are looking outside in streamers, influencers, social media etc. Learn to be happy with what you have
All of that is cope for the illuminati. Therapy is a joke profession made to gaslight and minimize societal problems. MK ultra is spread through therapists, look into that one.
Does no one find it quite sus how she said her ex-boyfriend "made" her wear revealing cloths and do hot tub streams etc, yet she is going on dates and still doing the same old crap still? Feels like she probably just pushed her ex over the edge to react the way he did, then she rinsed him dry of the business while also massively boosting her view/sub numbers. Nothing against her, it probably was all real, but she is a very smart woman and I wouldn't put it past her given what she has done for money/fame before.
I agree with you on what you said at 21:31, my desire for video games got replaced by the real world shenanigan's and I was upset about it for a while until I realized that is just how it goes. I still enjoy video games but to a lesser extent.
A counterpoint to Asmon's example of the farmer having less time that the modern office worker is that the farmer had to work incredibly hard for 6-8 hours, but did not have his time wasted by commuting and in-office bullshit that artificially extends the working day. It was a different quality of life.
The farmer also saw his hard work turn into real, tangible and positive changes in the world surrounding him which is fundamental to a feeling of purpose in what one does. Many modern jobs have none of that.
I disagree with the last 10 mins. The correct use of digital technology can increase satisfaction and make life easier, however most people do not use digital technology as a tool, but as a source of entertainment. The incorrect use of digital technology is always detrimental, and most people use digital technology incorrectly.
these days i started to feel so bored from games or watching youtube/any other media, it all feels pointless and just a waste of time. i started working out and actually found it very fun and fulfilling to me. much better than 2d pixels
that's because you treated the pixels as a distraction, treat them like you would a movie or good book, It's art and entertainment. And you can even seek to better yourself through it. But if you grind it nonstop it becomes very brain numbing and you forget why you like it
25:40 that's what he's saying is broken. The "move away at 18" is an effect of industrialization. Families used to live with multiple generations in a single home. A bedrock of community. Now we're atomized into pure individualism. Assuming he goes where I think he's going. I haven't seen the video so IDK.
Yeah. He really isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Watching the original video some of his responses missed the point of what he was responding to. It felt like he was trying too hard to find an argument to counter the content of the video. An example is his response to digital communities being a poor substitute for the real world (It is by the way) and he goes on a tangent about atheism finding validation online with like minded people. Which is nice but proves the point its not as fulfilling as it would be if they lived in a real world community that felt that same way. They lacked that and used the internet as a surrogate to substitute for that lack of community. The real point of the video is people instead of trying to forge their own place in the community they live in they retreat into the digital world where the benefits are just a temporary fix. Turn off the power and now your alone surrounded by strangers. You cant leave behind your sick list of vidya game achievements to your kids because they mean NOTHING and are worth NOTHING. Yes you can use the internet to make money but your using the internet at that point as a TOOL and not as a means to find a place to belong, instead of belonging to the community you live in with real people that really care for you. People are more connected than ever but also more detached from each other more than any other point in history.
what does asmon mean life isnt worse than 30 years ago? Life quality has dropped, inflation is on a high, we can't afford a own place like people used to so we are forced to rent. The list goes on and on. Idk man I share a lot of his views but this is just wrong. He's not in that spot any more or never really was as he lived with mom all the time, which is ok, but he doesn't had to face these issues afaik
Asmon is stage 4 enlightenment. Love it. Stage 1 enjoyment, stage 2 reductive reasoning/resentment/despair, stage 3 acceptance, stage 4 = realizing that you were already enlightened the whole time.
@39:37 Retail therapy; I absolutely fell for this recently. I got a nice bonus and used some of it to buy a few new books. I still had a bit left and planned to move it to a savings account but then I received an email from one of my favourite clothing stores, about newly released items. I saw a jumpsuit that I really liked - I was still riding the high, and bought it. In that moment I was happy. I am still happy with my book purchases, but man do I regret buying the jumpsuit on a whim. Itself been over a month, I still haven't worn it and realistically don't think I will wear it until winter maybe (currently Autumn/ still getting 30c days).
I just want to be entertained and find your videos refreshing because you cover a variety of topics i don't always agree with your opinion but I respect your honesty and courage to give a genuine opinion without the bullshit
forbidden planet was a great movie btw. The original civilization that was living there constructed a machine that could manifest anything they wanted just by thinking it into existence. unfortunately it doesn't interface well with humans and creates a monster based on emotion instead.
"you can learn anything you want and outcompete other people, making your life better, which you couldn't do before the internet" i think that's basically asmon take, which imho is a bad take, i can outcompete, sure, but the other guy of which i surpassed, is now out of a job, and if he does the same as me, then someone else is out of a job, etc... the point is, being an entrepenour doesn't mean you'll succeed, it doesn't matter if all the information neccessary to be an astrophisicist is out there available for everyone on the internet, it's not everyone who will be able to learn it no matter how much they try, it doesnt matter if you're smart af when you have depression, anxiety, adhd, autism, and other disorders like that, these stuff can stop even the most capable person on their tracks, so basically saying that people are "lazy" and thats why they're in the situation they're in is kinda absurd. it's not easy to make your life better when you live in constant financial insecurity, when all of a sudden you can go from having an ok life to being a hobo because you were fired. It's not a matter of laziness, but much more about having the mental fortitude and resilience to make strides that a a lot of the ppl who are on the top would never be capable to do. in short, yeah, it's possible for ppl to change their lives and they have more tools through technology, but the financial conditions of the world currently, creates a such a complex situation for most ppl, that even though the internet is an amazing tool that can change your life (asmongold is actually a good example of that), for most people, the situation they're in, financially and emotionally is so bad (both things worsen one another btw), that the great tool called internet is basically useless to them.
16:00 Bill Murray just used to roll up into peoples barbeques and parties and crash them uninvited. His response would be "no one would ever believe you"
The best friend I ever had, who died of covid last year, was someone I met in an MMO. I had only met him once in real life, yet we talked daily for years. Close to two decades ago, this was the norm. It was not uncommon for people to get married after meeting in video games, though it was sensualized. You made friends, REAL FRIENDS, online through the communities you made on the joint servers, like TeamSpeak, you shared. Now a lot of streamers try to cultivate that same sense of community, but, and this is key, it is based on monetary gain and not a place for authentic, lasting relationships to be made. There is no fault or judgment here, but I miss the days when a server you were on would celebrate and mourn with you as an individual and community instead of telling members to find somewhere else to do it.
Points for how the world was better 20 years ago; housing and rent to income ratio, the number of private companies still offering pensions, life expectancy, health care costs, manufacturing base, should I go on
19:41 - I can't agree with this, like what parents used to say. Games done right are a way to keep your mind active when chilling where others just watch pointless TV. MHRD - Taught me logic gates to help write a virtual machine to simulate a cpu in software TA - taught me to code making custom units and file editors C&C/RA2 - Taught me strategy and how to adapt to changing scenarios ANNO 1404 - Taught me to stick out tough business situations as it will get easier over the hump CSS - Taught me a firm STFU goes a long way
This video asmon is watching sometimes veers into overly philosophical, but asmon's reactions to it is like what your trailer park uncle might say. It's a reaction based on no real depth of thought. Some of the concepts presented in the video have been explored for hundreds of years by all the great philosophers but here comes asmon with his "it is what it is" response. Its equal parts funny and sad.
Disagree with last part, life was way better 10-20 years ago. Video games were more honest, where devs cared. The wealth disparity was much lower. Social media has rotten people's brains too, including much higher mental health problems in society as well as concentration problems. Climate change getting worse. I came up with these answers in a minute, probably a lot of things I forgot to mention.
A big part of it isn't that videogames are bad or evil in any manner, it's the things you could or should be doing instead in their place. Imagine where you could be if you spent two hours a night for the last 10 years working on something to better yourself, a skill, hobby, interacting with others bettering your social abilities. Video games are just fine, they're fun, you can learn a thing or two from them, you can get some small amount of social interaction, but most of us use them to fill a hole of some kind. We are the only ones that can put reasonable limits on how much time we spend, but it turns out they are so much fun that can it be a very hard thing to do.
@@saynotop2w I agree with you completely. But its going past entertainment, replacing bits and pieces of life, being around other people with isolation. Video games are amazing, and for many of us its a struggle to not over do it. Its great entertainment, but not a way to live life.
Asmon,i think an anime about Frieren touched that "boredom subject" where you seek for constant entertainment and TL;DR: it stems from more philosophical point of view towards Eternity itself and how each of us perceive the passage of time wanting to do stuff,enjoy life whenever possible,learn and work where in a being(Frieren) that lived for thousand+ years perceives time as meaningless and can stay in one place doing one thing for years So those surrogates arent necessarily evil by themselves,its whether someone strives towards destructive ideology or not,thats the evil part Humans live and RIP(
Disagree with asmongold. Digital and physical world are different. Twitter isn't real. Also we have more opportunities now for sure but not more time. It's just possible to be extremely efficient because of me technologies the Internet being able to access how other people have done things. But if you're a writer working full time both now and in the middle ages the amount of time you had to write is tremendously higher then than now. But like I said now you can read, you can type on a computer faster than you could write by hand, you can look up words a and tips
I agree with you. It seemed to me that asmongold was getting defensive. If most of my self value and relationships were a product of the internet I would probably be defensive too.
18:05 at first I thought asmon was just a wow nerd and wasn’t that interesting and philosophical but after watching countless videos and ultimatly culminating to this blew me away so deep so well worded and 1000% true. Never change asmon and keep doin what ur doing thx so much for the countless hours of laughs , deep thinking and content really appreciate it you make the world a bit of a brighter place
I gotta say on a very serious note seeing videos like this reminds me that some people actually have some common sense. Not saying that I'm perfect in the way I live my life but so many people live with such a high level or ignorance to what the world is really like and how lucky we truly are to be alive and this is coming from someone whos still fairly young and has been through their fair share of hardship. There is not enough time in our short lives to waste it talking shit online, thank you asmon💯
Leaded gasoline was banned in the late 1980's; violent crimes were reduced. The lead was making everyone in high vehicle traffic areas in the city to go cock-a-doodle. Leaded interior house paint was also being phased out and its use was on the decline. 37:58
The issue about shootings isn't that there are more of them. Every statistic and study shows that violent crime has gone down, especially since the onset of video games. It is suggested that perhaps video games provide an outlet for violent tendencies. The issue and reason why violence and shootings appear to be getting worse is that the media hyperreport on it every time and often skew and/or omit things to make them seem worse. 20, 30, or 40 years ago there was more violence, but you usually didn't hear about it unless it happened in your area or was a major conflict/event.
he doesnt have a wife, and i bet you, hes worried, if the girl rly likes him for him, and not just his money and more than that, if they will even be able to live with his life style.
The only real world effect of videogame achievements is reaching a certain rank in a game and linking your account to the developer’s store, unlocks access for you to buy a pin that denotes your achievement. Otherwise, zero real world value beyond coordination and general learning if it’s relevant to the real world.
Incredibly good take from Asmogold here. The world is constantly improving in the overwhelming majority of areas. People perceive the world as getting worse in large part because negative news is far more attention-grabbing, and as such media (both legacy and social) constantly bombard people with doom and gloom. It makes people see the world as much worse than it is. It's good to see some optimism from a streamer for once.
Hearing millionaire talk about how the economy is better then 30 years ago, and its better now because internet is a bit absurd. It's better for you, because it's the only reason you're a millionaire...
21:32. I've been an avid gamer since I was very young. I now have 2 kids, married, own a house, saving for retirement, have a great job. I'm lucky if I have an hour per week to play games. I still love gaming and will take the time to play with friends if I can find it, but your priorities shift as you get older. Eventually you have others who depend on you and you have to provide for, and gaming is no longer important. Your family is. It's just the way life goes.
Most disappointment I've ever had in a person, Asmongold, You know you are better than this. Worst take I've ever heard about the separation of being an individual and being a part of society. The entire video is heavy handed analogy that mostly flew over Asmon's head. Like Damn, you fell pray to the this digital video attempt to fulfill a momentary desire to see something about amouranth in your analog mind.
His explanation is solid, but his interpretation is entirely subjected to an utilitarian POV where everything needs to have a justifiable reason and outcome, things can't "exist" just for the sake of "existing" (which is the whole nature of the universe) he's trying to give a quantifiable value to completely subjective things, appreciation of a rose comes from being "a rose" not because it holds any other meaning, sure you can rationalize why it's beautiful and what cultural context and meaning people have given to it, but it's still just a plant. This is, ultimately, a DOGMATIC argumentation to believe in a "grandiose" purpose for humanity and people, when there isn't anything intrinsically valuable on any of those things.
These people look for THE truths of the universe when there is no clear evidence of the existence of any truths.These questions have subjective interpretations and any attempt to add your own objective take always falls short and comes off shallow or close minded. Very Dunning- Kruger.
@@DMLoosey Yes, Ultimately you can't measure the worth of anything when everything is subjective and tied to the morality of the era, what value does the life of a single person haves? a group of people? humanity? Through the ages and the evolution of humanity all those measurements have been, and always will be, subjective. Go back to monkey... I guess???
The point of not thinking that video games is a waste for thirty years is that in 30 years, you will DEEPLY regret that wasted time, even if you enjoyed much of it at the time.
19:10 depending on how people see things. I passively learned how to make profit from WOW auctionhouse, and how the supply and demands works. In the games that didnt had an auctionhouse, i had to learn how to sell my products and how to find the channels on where to sell them, and how to sell my products. From WOW raids you learn how to coordinate yourself with multiple people (an example here would be if you work in team to acomplysh the requierd goal). When i started to work at a store, i applied what i learned in WOW and the sales have grown up.
Man, I love Asmon but this video mae me realize 100% the Internet is Asmon's religion....his faith in it, blind though it may be at times even, is pretty much unshakeable as demonstrated by this video. All of his points and counter-points revert back to the same thing .....his Internet/Machine God. Dude, asmon you are a Warhammer 40K Mechanicus Techpriest :D
You're actually really on point. The biggest problem with "atheism" is that it doesn't exist. It just leads everyone to make a god of their ego or of pleasure or in this case the internet. That plus the delusional "do whatever feels good to you" nihilism is his entire thing, predicated on some weird arbitrary libertarian "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". His relativistic thought process is self-refuting, the only question you have to pose is "is it objectively true that objective truth doesn't exist"?
I find the small tribe idea disingenuous in the way it conveniently ignores that cities have existed for over 2,000 years. There are different kinds of people such as those whose family has lived in the capital of Italy for 20 generations and those who have lived in rural communities for generations.
Compulsive buying is directly tied to dopamine releases in your brain, the same way instant gratification on social media or in game gambling mechanics are. It's not a separate problem at all. It's not because you, yourself, aren't subject to dopamine addiction (good for you, btw) that all these aren't linked and do not affect a majority of the population.
"Self satisfaction is the only thing that matters." Yeah, there are a lot of people who just haven't figure out how to be happy and assume everybody else feels the same way. Learning to enjoy the things that make you happy without having to find a reason to make that same thing cause you to hate yourself might take some work for some people, but it would be ultimately worth it for their mental health.
Asmongold, you are incredibly wise. You're right: a lot of problems we consider or claim to be an external issue, is really an internal issue. The tools we use and the abundance we receive, depend on the core values of the individual and their ability to utilize or enjoy and appreciate what they have and wanted.
Moving away from your family when you are 18, and cutting ties with your extended family because you live in a different state and had to move to the big to work in a shoe factory city are two completely different things, you missed the point entirely because you've been conditioned to be a domesticated consumer. You know nothing about sharing, community, and clan, you find those notions quaint. We live in clusters of millions and have never been lonelier.
"As you heal, attention stops looking like love, attachment stops looking like connection, bare minimum stops looking like effort, enmeshment stops looking like intimacy, and trauma bonding tribe stops looking like support."
sometimes it takes a knock, others; a nuke
I like the fart comment more
True
Better late than never i guess.
What is enmeshment? Whether a typo or not these seem profound conclusions to me. Who's words are they?
Pokimane is a great example of this for me. The most basic surface level positivity, and a violent, knee jerk pushback against even a hint of negativity.
Yeah I don't care if it's old news or unpopular but the way she treated that Fedm dude was not right at all definitely led him on, gave him weird af mixed signals, and then farmed his emotional reaction for content knowing her army of simps would defend no matter what. Not cool made me lose my not caring opinion of her towards negative hope they made things right and both get happier plus grow from it since it already happened and sucks that's all good that could come from it.
Don't let Twitter see this, they're gonna start another movement
@@RafidW9 you are a role model lmao your comment made me laugh out loud thank you friend.
Psycho girl
@@lizardjoel Only shows 4 of the 7 replies here, whatever he said must be unsafe for fragile minds according to our overseers 🤣
Honestly the guy is right. Its about fulfillment. If events in games keep us fulfilled then there is no reason to feel fulfilled by living a normal life.
This is actually what got me into growing plants, i just felt empty playing games one day as i was getting into collecting, now i actually have something to be proud of, there was a great artist who said, my greatest work of art is my garden. The old ways are being lost and i hope dearly it horseshoes back around into some normalcy where kids touch grass and build things again
There's nothing wrong with the feeling itself. Everything should be done in moderation and responsibly. Anything done to an extreme can be toxic.
@@pluralizor2957 I think im you, the you that was growing empty by playing games, the escapism was working but then i started to want more out of them, but they didnt fufill me like they used to, and once i finish them its back into the void, of unfulfillment of this normal life, the daly grind, of day to day. Have i failed in this world or has this world never been fulfilling for me..I don't know, but i know one thing, i dislike the normal life.
@@DMLoosey Truth
go touch grass werido
A big reason I follow you and not a lot of others is your chill, honest, relaxed way of streaming.
So many others just try way too hard and come off boring and generic.
Thank you for being real with us on everything, even your personal life.
You are a real one, Sir!
I second this!
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lol dude is so fake he has a script
The best part of this, is that you think that Asmon reads your comments and/or gives a freek about what you have to say.
And I recognize and respect Asmon's knowledge and experience with video games and the internet. He's a real MMO gamer and has an understanding of humans that play videogames etc.
Video games and digital media are the only ways I can maintain my relationship with my brother who moved half way across the country. I cherish every game and session we spend with each other. The sense of acheivenet and fulfilment are different for everyone.
Otherwise what would you have if not for the internet and social media. Telegrams, occasional letters that don't have the same amount of conveyance of emotion or camaraderie with your brother.
You think so but that is not the case. There are many ways except for through the internet. You just take it for granted since it's been with you your whole life.
@@nlnu1337 There are letters and phone calls. Those are the best you can hope for in long distance friendship or family connection without the internet. So no.
And when said brother passed away, most people regret not trying harder to visit them or spend “real” quality time with them.
@@Tritonpools1981 Of course you can try to visit but that's not always realistic. At least something like bonding with your brother over a video game is better than nothing. The further away they are, the harder it is to see them.
Honestly, thank you for that. I don’t get fulfillment out of playing video games anymore like I used to. But I do have a full time job as an electrician, and I absolutely love putting my heart into it. You really open my eyes as to why I don’t like playing games as much anymore.❤️❤️
My husband was the same way. He played video games for years but as soon as he hit his 30s, he just lost interest. His goals have changed from video games to a career at a factory.
I like how this argument is cementing what the narrator is saying.
do you get enough compensation from your job do you think? I'm searching for the reason you get fulfillment.
Yea I seem to be the exactly the same way.. I find more enjoyment in trying to do better In real life just like I would have in games back in the day. Theres even a relation to grinding out levels as that translated to the real life grind hahah. But I still try play games a little and do enjoy them just not in the all life absorbing way.
what if you didn't have irl responsibilities, would you be asmon@@Sitsolitary
This has been my favourite video from you so far. I'd love to see you cover the topic of gaming versus real life more in the future. There's so much depth to everything that was covered in this video. I know it certainly helped me reflect on a few things and find some new perspectives! Thank you!
what asmon said about the 3 levels of realisation is pretty spot on I feel, there's a similar zen buddhist saying, “Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.” ― Dōgen
It’s not some big brain shit. What asmon is saying is about appreciating things for what they are nothing deep or ground breaking.
But that was not the argument the video was trying to make. The creator does appreciate video games as entertainment but they exploit the players innate desire to explore, provide and lead
Games are fun
Games are a waste of time
Games are a fun way to use time
@@phutureproof your statement had even less value, for those who have context the words in that quote do have meaning because it puts in words what many come to realize over the course of their life. It's symbolic, not literal. That symbols have no meaning to you shows that you think the mountains are not mountains, and the waters are not waters.
@@phutureproof Some people wish to gain an understanding of the mountains. What you're saying is equivalent to saying that philosophers are pointless because you don't need to be smart to live life.
I think the biggest problem we have right now is that we have it so good that it's hard to find a sense of purpose. Farmers used to farm because otherwise they would have no food, they didn't have a choice, so they did what they had to do. Now everything is so easy, and there are so few threats, that we have to find something else fulfilling to do. And with so many possible directions to take your life in, it is easy to get struck with option paralysis.
Americans have it easy but idk why so many of u does nothing. Like even the good income ones doesnt do anything to improve their lifestyle.
What, you don’t care about literally anything but survival? Because that’s what you’re saying.
Well put.
17:05 - I love how Asmon says the darkest thing ever and then just ends it with the most chill " know what im saying?"
@@furuhatanzbr Well it's not really just because we ''give'' it meaning
Even without language we'd know I was able to use my own body to get past my opponent.
Even animals play like this
i thought it was very spot on. it reminds me of all i have learned from Taoism.
@@Tigerhearty As long as I get enjoyment out of something, no matter how short lived, it wasn't meaningless. Nothing is ever wasteful unless you feel it is. Some people, like me, didn't end up committing suicide during a really dark part of their life because video games existed. So tell me again how video games are meaningless.
However, if YOU feel it's a waste of time to do these things, then don't do them. Do something you feel isn't a waste of time.
@@Tigerhearty with all the censorship going on lately i have a feeling we're entering into the dark age of anti intellectualism. nothing we can do but adapt or make workarounds for it like most have been doing. however, i believe that human creativity can still tap into their potential in new ways in spite of the limitations that get imposed.
What he said is the reason why I became religious. If there is no God then we might as well just blow up this sad little planet, but if there actually is a greater purpose, then there is hope
I'm glad Asmon talked about the fulfillment part. I really hate when people tell you what to do to have a fulfilling life or when someone tells you "you wasted so many years doing that when you could've done something better"... No I didn't waste my time, I did what I wanted to do and I don't regret it. It's one thing if someone comes to a conclusion that they wasted their time with something instead doing something else and they try to change it, but it's compeletly different if someone else tries to change you. Look at your own life and stop telling people what to do with theirs just because you don't like or understand something.
i think that the things we do in life are important. but not in the context we are used to seeing. this life is temporary, obviously. death is inevitable. we are spiritual beings locked in a physical world. the things we do are important in the context of self-fulfillment. living a fulfilling life is dependent on the person which has many variables that sometimes cannot be conceived by other people. it is up to the person themselves to decide what their path to fulfillment looks like.
Nah, it depends.
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I appreciate Zack’s take when he said that this sounds like an internal problem instead of an external one. I live a real life, have meaningful relationships, and also play games and watch my favorite streamers. It’s just entertainment, not some existential crisis.
same, I remember somebody asked me once how religious people can play video games that has gods, demigods, etc in it. And he found it shocking when I told him that real life and fantasy/video games/movies etc are not the same thing. You can be religious irl and enjoy a fantasy story that has gods and demigods etc. You can also be an atheist in real life and enjoy a fantasy story that has gods and demigods etc. Because it's just entertainment.
@@wahahabuh Just tell them, Videogames don't kill people but religious people did :) sad but true.
@@anon8139 So what's your point? Is that your great argument against the Bible... lol. If you read the Bible, Jesus never tells you to do that, infact he preaches AGAINST hurting anybody. You should turn the other cheek.
So why did people still wage wars that were "christians"? Well, because you can believe the bible whilst not obeying the bible. Meaning, if Jesus himself would analyze those very people that killed others in his name, he would not call them "christians" or his sheep.
Do you see the flawed view you have? In order to come with an argument, you have to understand the issue first. The reason so many fake christians killed in the name of God was because they never really were christians to begin with, but fooled by the devil that these acts of evil somehow were good.
The road to hell is paved in good intentions. I bet if you asked those very people they would have great justifications for what they did. But if you read the Bible, Jesus does not ever ever ever one time AT ALL say, that murdering someone is ok. not even hurting someone.
If you don't follow what Jesus says, you're simply not his sheep. You're simply not christian.
You gotta play by the rules layed out by the Bible if you wanna make such arguments, dude.
@@siegpasta hahaha, everyone is such an NPC who knows absolutely nothing but espouses their opinions regardless. The character of Jesus says very contradictory things throughout the bible. He definitely promotes violence in many instances.
Here are a few that are more obvious
Matthew 10:34: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household."
Luke 19:27: "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." (According to the scholar I read, you can't chop this up to misinterpretation, Jesus is literally saying to hate)
Now, you don't have to change your opinion if the narratives you like to believe give you less discomfort than having to make sense of the facts of what is actually said by the mythological jesus. The jesus character has a lot of virtues, but it's still a product of the mind of writers and mythology traditions from the past
Oof, really cringey to address a creator as their irl name. Be careful of your parasocial relationship reaching too far
Other streamers: "It's not your fault, it's -everything else but yours- fault that you're watching me for the least 6 hours"
Asmon: "Bruh you're lazy, GTFO do something"
As another exemple, Amouranth continued to upload porn movies the same day she was crying on her stream telling the world that her partner forced her to post lewd content. She never stopped uploading since then (the post count keeps on increasing). Yet no one is covering that because almost ever known youtuber took her words for granted and don't want to admit they have been bamboozled like everyone else. So it is not only between content creators and their followers, but the echo chambers between content creators of same mindsets that ride on the same waves for easy content. It is in their interest to follow the majority and mimic each other, and this to the detriment of the viewers as very few due diligence is done. This creates strange situtations where a content creator can bash loot boxes in an EA game because it is a popular topic, but promote Raid Shadow legends in the same video. They will also promote something like "established titles" without again some due diligence as other content creators do it also. So it must be ok, right. We often follow these digitial surogates because they fill a void .. the problem is, with what is that void filled? Something to think about.
Part of me thinks that they were in on it for the sake of their own content covering it.
@@nuke2099 Yes. Vieuws generate vieuws. As a ball of snow grows bigger and bigger rolling down the hill .. so does a ball of crap.
Someone finally said it. She was being forced to stream that content that I guess she didn't want to do, yet continues to stream that content now? Right. The fact that no one has called her out on that is really sad. Content creator communities are, as you said, echo chambers where people just agree with everyone else and throw out all integrity and morals. Sad stuff
@@JayceCH. Asmon should have never have mingled with the stupid bunch in Austin
@@JayceCH. Of course. It can apply to anyone. In the beginning of youtube, content was made with hart and care. Since the insert of moneytisation (be it from youtube or alternative sources like Patreon) we can't trust the motivations anymore. Can we blame them? Not entirely, as long as we watch, they will make it. Social media adapts to the needs and desires of the viewers. So if we want it to change, we should start by adapting the way we consume it.
I'm 30 and the only reason I play less video games is not because my life is satisfied with a real job, but because I HAVE to feed myself every day.
Some people never get that innate feeling of taking care of oneself sadly. I didnt for YEARS before I realized I needed to change. I had a messed up childhood and I’ve been trying to fix myself for the past 8 years and within the past 6 months starting seeing a therapist and going to groups. I’m still not all the way there, but I’m working on it.
Jordan peterson compared porn to tinkerbell in peter pan, peter pan had a real life girl who liked him, but she had her priorities in order, she knew she wanted to marry and have children with a man she loves, peter pan instead of accepting he had to grow up, chose Tinkerbell, an imaginary fairy peterson called the porn fairy
Ahh, good old JP, the lord of using big words, believing his own hype and mistaking the variables for the cause.
This is the problem with hero worshipping men and not God through Jesus, you'll only make errors then be led off course to what is Actually wrong.
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A Tremendous amount of people, "I'd argue the Vast Majority on Earth", are watching porn because they're alone, lonely, in a Horrifying relationship or rejected, "Often many times until all self respect is destroyed when it shouldn't have been, all due to the brainwashing society to fake standards and beliefs has raped into several generations", not because there's a magic fairy friend.
Hatred, distrust, pride, unwelcoming, ungiving, and not living in love is why this problem is occurring.
I'm not saying Peterson hasn't figured these things out himself separately, but if you've seen his videos lately he's VERY clearly becoming an extremist to his own self proclaimed wisdom and personal beliefs and demands.
Not saying they're all wrong mind you.
But they're Certainly not all right either.
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This world won't be fixed by him, it will be fixed by every individual, willing to love and accept others again, that or God acts.
A few years ago I repented to God then begged for help, "I was until then an Atheist."
I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I held him was unlike anything I've ever felt before - A lifetime of Love every second - It brought me to sobbing and it changed my life, forever.
I've had other experiences since, "Several witnessed", one was seeing a bright orb of light pass across my face in the dark, hours before a major surgery the second I gave up in my heart.
Know that God and Jesus ARE real and that they Love us deeply. Let go of your hatred and Imagine yourself holding the people who've hurt you. Tell them you Love them.
Always have hope, I believe that prayer, following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, Truly becoming humble, merciful, welcoming, giving, and forgiving, To All.
@@narsakucanada154 Porn is that "magic" since if you think about how we go into it. It was like a high because we knew it was bad but also "good". Some people now got exposted to it at excessively young ages.
Yes this does bleed into anti-social behaviors where some people just don't know how to act even if there's a screen between them
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22:56 , as someone whos been chronically ill and only had video games to keep me fulfilled all these years, asmon saying this really warms my heart
This is a very good documentary. It shows me truly what i crave, Human connection is what i feel i need.
Check out some Hamza videos man, he'll point you in the right direction
touch grass
Dude watch alchemy of souls changed my life
It made me realize that I need to get my shit together and find companionship
No, you crave Brando, it's what plants crave!
@@zairman random question, is your pfp a Mikasa fan-art with blue(?) eyes?
When Asmon is trying to debate the claim that the human desire to want a thing outweighs the joy of then having it is exploited. I was just like... Come on asmon. The mount farming?? He falls victim to exactly that
he was saying how once he grinded for something in diablo he quit the game because he didnt care to use it, he just wanted it lol.
But there is one example that exists that shows an exception. Therefore the rule doesn't exist! Also Jonah never survived three days inside a fish because we all know the bible is meant to be read literal (I am not personally christian btw)
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Asmon is king of not waiting until the whole argument is presented before arguing against it. Also, half the time he misunderstands what the video is saying. We know video games fills in the need of accomplishment that we want from real life, except it is artificially presented to us in such a way where you will always be moving forward and progressing to a degree. In most things in life you can get started, butif you fail, you fail and your time is wasted.
if you try something once in real life and fail and never try again well then that's a you problem and you should probably question why you give up so easily in real life.
it bothered me in this video too. he didn't get the main point of the video, he mainly rambled about his own anecdotes
Right? Usually I'm on board with his takes. However, these arguments went no where. The 19 year old feeling unfulfilled argument for example. Like, oh really? You haven't struck anything fulfilling yet and thus you opt for the quick and instantly gratifying artificial sense of fulfillment, only to find yourself never even attempting at real life again because your down and depressed? Finding yourself consumed in radical rational thinking, enveloped with theories of inevitability and entropy. With probably no real community to support you when things that are guaranteed to give out begin to start giving out. A lot arguments being laid out all the time by Asmongold are heavily reliant on the presupposition that time isn't a factor and that what ever comfort has been accumulated now is permanently, lasting and will continue to exist forever. Once you can't use the internet anymore because the computer screen is to sensitive for your deteriorating brain and your eyesight is rapidly fading all due to some underlying decease or a nasty stumble over the trash in your room, or even just due to age; who exactly is going to be there to take care of you, and how are you going to get your fulfillment? Is it going to be your parents who might be long dead by then? Your kids you don't have? That partner from your previous relationship you failed to maintain? How about that lovely and helpful neighbor you have never even spoken to? Do you know his name?
Is he really arguing that without videogames, every dispositioned person in history should have just opted out of life because the existentiality of their inability to compete with some markets? Because life isn't always fair? Like, no! that's simply a wrong take. These are the words of a self destructive and depressed mind that has dominated the entire person, and tricked it into escapist fantasies. You know why depressed people sleep for 16 hours a day? Because the dream world is a portal through which the mind can escape to the world beyond, death, a world which it feels like it can control. The mind is seeking a literal after life. You walk that razor's edge long enough and you'll be one terrible set back removed from self deletion practices, and god knows life has plenty of terrible set backs in store for us. POINT IS: That mind is an organ like any other and you are the being in-between. You have to be able to negotiate with your mind, and a tell tale sign that you're failing is when you're becoming depended on parasocial relations. If you have your house in relatively decent order, which is hard work, you won't outpace your own restraints and you can enjoy these leisure activities as they are, never finding you blank staring into the screen because the game ended and you have nothing left in your library to play, or no money in the bank to purchase any.
Yes, he does this more and more. Also mishearing things and than arguing against them.
@@acevfx2923 what drug are you on?! Can I get me some of that?
The Twilight Zone episode this video referenced is one of my favorites. And I think he misrepresented it which actually hurt his point. In the episode, the criminal found that he couldn't lose at anything. If he robbed the bank, the police couldn't catch him. If he played Poker, he won every hand. That was the problem. While he enjoyed it at first, he came to realize that winning only has any value if you can lose in the first place. Imagine getting the worst hand you could in Poker, making no effort to hide it, and still beating the other 10 people at the table.
so instead of just robbing a bank and living a happy life he had to keep gambling instead of just not competing and living with no adversity. Yeah, that would be terrible.
4:08 When he talked about that phenomenon I really related to it because just yesterday I was watching his stream and he sounded exactly the way he did in the example but I was thinking if he was having a bad day and I almost asked him if he was okay. He is right that the hyperactive personas have conditioned my perception of content creators to be oversensitive
I disagree Asmon. Your digital life can not replace the real ones. Your digital friends do not share your life experience with you. They are not there when you are at your family's funeral, they are not there when you're having a backyard BBQ, they are not there to support you when you are trying to get over an addiction, they are not there when you are having a special moment and want to share it someone. So if you're fully immersed in the digital world, thinking you can get away from building a real life outside of it, you'd be in for a major reckoning down the road. And so many people have already fallen into this trap. Digital surrogacy is real. People watch you and donate to you and try to have discussions with you thinking that's the same thing as building a friendship. But you know that that's not the case.
imagine thinking celebrity worship, and celebrities faking their personality for worship is any kind of new take.
It's not, but there's no doubt the internet has revolutionized it. We now have hundreds of thousands of microcelebrities that you can have direct daily contact with especially being noticed for monetary support. Webcam girls, streamers, youtubers etc.
people seem to forget about it
it's perfectly fine, as long as.... there isn't any as long as. It's fine, some personalities are addictive to watch, even simp for.
@@grumblez So? Just do your thing. That's it.
I got bullied as a young boy for moste of my school time. Video games did give me an escape and made me didn’t kill my self. In the end of your a young boy no one cares about you. For man we’re only important and “liked” if we’re providing value or knowledge. As a young boy you have nothing and you’re basically usless. Video games did give me a challenge and in the end a chance at life. I’m really thankful for that now at 29
Completely legitimate point, then Asmon says "it would be more meaningful if it wasn't just about women". Doesn't address anything.
Asmon does explain it kinda that its not a good look at the problem. Focusing only on one portion of the problem rather than the whole.
Well it kinda tells what this person is about. His takes sounds like a 35-40 eyar old stuck at the age of 15. Worst part imo, is that this dude probably made this in his basement alone REEing over society and its not his fault why is the way he is. Just how many times he brings up girls online makes me want to put him in a certain category. Hard to take seriously.
I agree with the video 100%. The internet has turned us into junkies. Stay off of social media folks.
22:33 that part hit me in the feels, about games giving young people value. Asmon always seems super wise and well spoken imho.
He probably knows it better than most because he's lived through this mentality. He did mention that 16 y/o Asmon would've downvoted the vid just for that one quote about video game achievements not mattering IRL
Around 25:00, Asmongold misunderstood the cause and effect proposed by the video.
Video sugests industrialization causes the split, which digitalization then tries to substitute the missing element (this then begs another question of what were people doing in between).
But Asmongold misunderstood and argued that digitalization was in the 90s and people regularly moved out of family long before.
Of course he would say technology massively gave benefits to people...look at him.....streaming makes him thousands if not millions...he's statements are kinda biased there. Yes, tech has helped in alot of ways, but it also has deteriorated others....for example you can see at a restaurant people look at their phones more than they socialize with the person in front of them...this is NOT a benefit at all
Dude your down to earthness and being real is a breath of fresh air man.
Hell of a title and introduction but he made a fantastic set of points
Holy F that intro made me cringe so hard. I rather would like to listen to the ideas or thoguhts ratehr than "E-girls BAD"..
Sounds like the dude is projecting like crazy.
@@KarvidSR i dont understand Why people like you act like this. You are shown that there is a problem, given arguments on it and shown how the problem manifest (ie amouranth using her position to profit off vulnerable men) and you get mad and scream “incel”
@@Sephiroso. point out what part of the argument was wrong
@@KarvidSR I mean yeah. he made a whole op ed video about it. pretty cut and dry projection.
@@dumitrache12, guys want attention from Amouranth, she gives it to them for money. I don't see a victim. She isn't DMing guys with promises of marriage or taking scam loans from them.
Part of the joy of obtaining most things is the work you have to put in to obtain them. That's the entire business model of Ikea. They make you put it together not only to save on storage space of materials and to make things semi-customizable, but also to give you a sense of accomplishment for having put it together yourself. You will have a memory associated with that product.
The point of an achievement is the achievement itself. If you’re seeking something for a separate pay-off then it’s not a goal, an achievement, it’s just a means to an end.
18:50 actually at least to me, understanding the truth behind how videogames are made just made me appreciate them even more in the long run. They are not anymore this "larger than life" like projects filled with things that make them magical. They're just projects made by a person or a group of person like me, like you and like anyone else. I wholeheartedly believe that demystifying what goes behind things actually makes them more appealing and interesting. Even makes you feel smarter just by knowing how it was done or how it works.
asmon being confused about how its worse today than it was years ago being connected to money is just true sadly since you cant own anything anymore if youre middle class or lower and it erodes every year
@@RobzdaBlade ay just gotta enjoy whatever you have around you and be kind to anyone you interact with, its all we can do
looks like your replies been deleted probably by yourself though right?
Personally, one of MY biggest issues is indecisiveness. I have so many opportunities and routes that its difficult to chose so I end up with the status quo.
This is one of the realest comments ever. It feels like if I pick one direction then I miss out on the others, so the safest bet is to sit down right here and miss them all.
Search for Overchoice
@@drazapatos that's good advice, I appreciate it.
I'm really starting to appreciate the philosophy of a youtube gamer. What a strange time to be alive. :)
@@phreddiephreaker AMONG US?
25:00 - What you talking about 70-80-50!
The man is saying industrial revolution!
go a century or two back! He is talking about the change that forced men to never be home to father their sons, and work in a factory the whole day.
What used to be the norm only during wars, became the normal life for everyone at all time.
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I came to Booba, came for Baldy uwu
Came for baldy, stayed for existential crisis.
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Forbidden Planet was an excellent film. Definitely worth watching. Though the narrator was wrong, in that the father never had an incestuous relationship with his daughter.
33:20 Lots actually. When the harvest season was over, it was essentially free time until the next season. The farmer wasn't growing a second helping during Winter.
This is one area that I totally disagree with Asmon’s point of view. The whole “well as long as YOUR happy” mentality is one of the most detrimental world views to come about. It’s true everyone has selfish tendencies but the internet and the digital has exacerbated those tendencies to a tangible negative level here in the west. And it’s not a lifestyle anyone truly wants to live either. People will cope hard af on this topic because it’s just true. They’ll come up with all the excuses and rationalizations they can to masquerade it as a valid existence. But we all know the truth. We want to be of service to others and leave a lasting impact on our communities and world beyond our selfish little existence. Whether that’s through family or community service and no digital realm or indulging behavior can be a substitute for it. At least not for any extended amount of time. Not a single person who has lived a life only in service to themselves has ever died genuinely happy. Only psychopaths do that.
It's hard to disagree with people on either side of the argument here. Asmon makes good points, but he speaks from the perspective of a single man who owns an inherited home in one of the least expensive cost of living states in the US, he rarely drives, he eats for one, he has made a very comfortable living in something that he's very good at, and that has great job security. That doesn't invalidate his opinion.
But a viewer with 4 children and a wife, who is working full time for a 55K salary in a field that is considered lucrative, didn't buy a home in 2012 when interest rates were half of what they were now and is having trouble competing in a market where people are buying up houses with cash to turn them into income properties, and is struggling to live on what should be a liveable income because groceries and gas have both doubled in the last year... Asmon doesn't understand that side of the argument. This guy's opinion makes sense.
Asmon had an extremely uncommon L take in this video. Just because we have more resources and conveniences in this modern time than our grandparents doesn't mean we have more opportunity. The same advantages we have are also the same ones everyone else has. It doesn't matter how good my internet is or if I have a smartphone, there are numerous others with that advantage and more. How we live our life has changed, we have more bills now, we have more competition for jobs, we have more competition for homes.
"People are never going to be happy because they aren't happy with themself" ~ Asmon @33:55 ... and my therapist told me the same thing lol. That really is the truth though. Even in the same vein of this video, people are looking outside in streamers, influencers, social media etc. Learn to be happy with what you have
All of that is cope for the illuminati. Therapy is a joke profession made to gaslight and minimize societal problems. MK ultra is spread through therapists, look into that one.
Does no one find it quite sus how she said her ex-boyfriend "made" her wear revealing cloths and do hot tub streams etc, yet she is going on dates and still doing the same old crap still? Feels like she probably just pushed her ex over the edge to react the way he did, then she rinsed him dry of the business while also massively boosting her view/sub numbers.
Nothing against her, it probably was all real, but she is a very smart woman and I wouldn't put it past her given what she has done for money/fame before.
Some such as myself have figured that out but many believed her entire story and many content creators backed her up as if they were in on it.
The guy sounds almost exactly like AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
Surprised no one brought up the fact people could buy a house on average income 30 years ago
I agree with you on what you said at 21:31, my desire for video games got replaced by the real world shenanigan's and I was upset about it for a while until I realized that is just how it goes. I still enjoy video games but to a lesser extent.
A counterpoint to Asmon's example of the farmer having less time that the modern office worker is that the farmer had to work incredibly hard for 6-8 hours, but did not have his time wasted by commuting and in-office bullshit that artificially extends the working day. It was a different quality of life.
The farmer also saw his hard work turn into real, tangible and positive changes in the world surrounding him which is fundamental to a feeling of purpose in what one does. Many modern jobs have none of that.
I disagree with the last 10 mins. The correct use of digital technology can increase satisfaction and make life easier, however most people do not use digital technology as a tool, but as a source of entertainment. The incorrect use of digital technology is always detrimental, and most people use digital technology incorrectly.
these days i started to feel so bored from games or watching youtube/any other media, it all feels pointless and just a waste of time. i started working out and actually found it very fun and fulfilling to me. much better than 2d pixels
that's because you treated the pixels as a distraction, treat them like you would a movie or good book, It's art and entertainment.
And you can even seek to better yourself through it.
But if you grind it nonstop it becomes very brain numbing and you forget why you like it
25:40 that's what he's saying is broken. The "move away at 18" is an effect of industrialization. Families used to live with multiple generations in a single home. A bedrock of community. Now we're atomized into pure individualism.
Assuming he goes where I think he's going. I haven't seen the video so IDK.
Yeah. He really isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Watching the original video some of his responses missed the point of what he was responding to. It felt like he was trying too hard to find an argument to counter the content of the video. An example is his response to digital communities being a poor substitute for the real world (It is by the way) and he goes on a tangent about atheism finding validation online with like minded people. Which is nice but proves the point its not as fulfilling as it would be if they lived in a real world community that felt that same way. They lacked that and used the internet as a surrogate to substitute for that lack of community.
The real point of the video is people instead of trying to forge their own place in the community they live in they retreat into the digital world where the benefits are just a temporary fix. Turn off the power and now your alone surrounded by strangers. You cant leave behind your sick list of vidya game achievements to your kids because they mean NOTHING and are worth NOTHING. Yes you can use the internet to make money but your using the internet at that point as a TOOL and not as a means to find a place to belong, instead of belonging to the community you live in with real people that really care for you. People are more connected than ever but also more detached from each other more than any other point in history.
what does asmon mean life isnt worse than 30 years ago? Life quality has dropped, inflation is on a high, we can't afford a own place like people used to so we are forced to rent. The list goes on and on. Idk man I share a lot of his views but this is just wrong. He's not in that spot any more or never really was as he lived with mom all the time, which is ok, but he doesn't had to face these issues afaik
Asmon is stage 4 enlightenment. Love it. Stage 1 enjoyment, stage 2 reductive reasoning/resentment/despair, stage 3 acceptance, stage 4 = realizing that you were already enlightened the whole time.
stage 5 realizing you never were
Stage 69: thinking you can obtain a godlike consciousness in your mortal life
@39:37 Retail therapy; I absolutely fell for this recently. I got a nice bonus and used some of it to buy a few new books.
I still had a bit left and planned to move it to a savings account but then I received an email from one of my favourite clothing stores, about newly released items.
I saw a jumpsuit that I really liked - I was still riding the high, and bought it.
In that moment I was happy. I am still happy with my book purchases, but man do I regret buying the jumpsuit on a whim. Itself been over a month, I still haven't worn it and realistically don't think I will wear it until winter maybe (currently Autumn/ still getting 30c days).
I just want to be entertained and find your videos refreshing because you cover a variety of topics i don't always agree with your opinion but I respect your honesty and courage to give a genuine opinion without the bullshit
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forbidden planet was a great movie btw. The original civilization that was living there constructed a machine that could manifest anything they wanted just by thinking it into existence. unfortunately it doesn't interface well with humans and creates a monster based on emotion instead.
"you can learn anything you want and outcompete other people, making your life better, which you couldn't do before the internet"
i think that's basically asmon take, which imho is a bad take, i can outcompete, sure, but the other guy of which i surpassed, is now out of a job, and if he does the same as me, then someone else is out of a job, etc... the point is, being an entrepenour doesn't mean you'll succeed, it doesn't matter if all the information neccessary to be an astrophisicist is out there available for everyone on the internet, it's not everyone who will be able to learn it no matter how much they try, it doesnt matter if you're smart af when you have depression, anxiety, adhd, autism, and other disorders like that, these stuff can stop even the most capable person on their tracks, so basically saying that people are "lazy" and thats why they're in the situation they're in is kinda absurd.
it's not easy to make your life better when you live in constant financial insecurity, when all of a sudden you can go from having an ok life to being a hobo because you were fired. It's not a matter of laziness, but much more about having the mental fortitude and resilience to make strides that a a lot of the ppl who are on the top would never be capable to do.
in short, yeah, it's possible for ppl to change their lives and they have more tools through technology, but the financial conditions of the world currently, creates a such a complex situation for most ppl, that even though the internet is an amazing tool that can change your life (asmongold is actually a good example of that), for most people, the situation they're in, financially and emotionally is so bad (both things worsen one another btw), that the great tool called internet is basically useless to them.
16:00 Bill Murray just used to roll up into peoples barbeques and parties and crash them uninvited. His response would be "no one would ever believe you"
The best friend I ever had, who died of covid last year, was someone I met in an MMO. I had only met him once in real life, yet we talked daily for years. Close to two decades ago, this was the norm. It was not uncommon for people to get married after meeting in video games, though it was sensualized. You made friends, REAL FRIENDS, online through the communities you made on the joint servers, like TeamSpeak, you shared. Now a lot of streamers try to cultivate that same sense of community, but, and this is key, it is based on monetary gain and not a place for authentic, lasting relationships to be made. There is no fault or judgment here, but I miss the days when a server you were on would celebrate and mourn with you as an individual and community instead of telling members to find somewhere else to do it.
Met my best friends on MMO. They flew as my best mans on my wedding day. Still best friends now
Points for how the world was better 20 years ago; housing and rent to income ratio, the number of private companies still offering pensions, life expectancy, health care costs, manufacturing base, should I go on
You could title this "parasocial relationships are ruining legit relationships" and it would be the same thing.
19:41 - I can't agree with this, like what parents used to say. Games done right are a way to keep your mind active when chilling where others just watch pointless TV.
MHRD - Taught me logic gates to help write a virtual machine to simulate a cpu in software
TA - taught me to code making custom units and file editors
C&C/RA2 - Taught me strategy and how to adapt to changing scenarios
ANNO 1404 - Taught me to stick out tough business situations as it will get easier over the hump
CSS - Taught me a firm STFU goes a long way
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This video asmon is watching sometimes veers into overly philosophical, but asmon's reactions to it is like what your trailer park uncle might say. It's a reaction based on no real depth of thought.
Some of the concepts presented in the video have been explored for hundreds of years by all the great philosophers but here comes asmon with his "it is what it is" response. Its equal parts funny and sad.
Yeah I mean if you tell anybody whose self value comes from the internet that the internet is bad they obviously aren't going to listen.
Disagree with last part, life was way better 10-20 years ago. Video games were more honest, where devs cared. The wealth disparity was much lower. Social media has rotten people's brains too, including much higher mental health problems in society as well as concentration problems. Climate change getting worse. I came up with these answers in a minute, probably a lot of things I forgot to mention.
A big part of it isn't that videogames are bad or evil in any manner, it's the things you could or should be doing instead in their place. Imagine where you could be if you spent two hours a night for the last 10 years working on something to better yourself, a skill, hobby, interacting with others bettering your social abilities. Video games are just fine, they're fun, you can learn a thing or two from them, you can get some small amount of social interaction, but most of us use them to fill a hole of some kind. We are the only ones that can put reasonable limits on how much time we spend, but it turns out they are so much fun that can it be a very hard thing to do.
@@saynotop2w I agree with you completely. But its going past entertainment, replacing bits and pieces of life, being around other people with isolation. Video games are amazing, and for many of us its a struggle to not over do it. Its great entertainment, but not a way to live life.
Asmon,i think an anime about Frieren touched that "boredom subject" where you seek for constant entertainment and TL;DR: it stems from more philosophical point of view towards Eternity itself and how each of us perceive the passage of time wanting to do stuff,enjoy life whenever possible,learn and work where in a being(Frieren) that lived for thousand+ years perceives time as meaningless and can stay in one place doing one thing for years
So those surrogates arent necessarily evil by themselves,its whether someone strives towards destructive ideology or not,thats the evil part
Humans live and RIP(
Disagree with asmongold. Digital and physical world are different. Twitter isn't real.
Also we have more opportunities now for sure but not more time. It's just possible to be extremely efficient because of me technologies the Internet being able to access how other people have done things. But if you're a writer working full time both now and in the middle ages the amount of time you had to write is tremendously higher then than now. But like I said now you can read, you can type on a computer faster than you could write by hand, you can look up words a and tips
I agree with you. It seemed to me that asmongold was getting defensive. If most of my self value and relationships were a product of the internet I would probably be defensive too.
Video games aren't inherently bad. Know when to pick them up, know when to put them down
Hell, I consider myself an open-minded, well-educated, well-rounded person, but I find myself enriched by every video like this. Thank you so much.
18:05 at first I thought asmon was just a wow nerd and wasn’t that interesting and philosophical but after watching countless videos and ultimatly culminating to this blew me away so deep so well worded and 1000% true. Never change asmon and keep doin what ur doing thx so much for the countless hours of laughs , deep thinking and content really appreciate it you make the world a bit of a brighter place
I gotta say on a very serious note seeing videos like this reminds me that some people actually have some common sense. Not saying that I'm perfect in the way I live my life but so many people live with such a high level or ignorance to what the world is really like and how lucky we truly are to be alive and this is coming from someone whos still fairly young and has been through their fair share of hardship. There is not enough time in our short lives to waste it talking shit online, thank you asmon💯
Leaded gasoline was banned in the late 1980's; violent crimes were reduced. The lead was making everyone in high vehicle traffic areas in the city to go cock-a-doodle. Leaded interior house paint was also being phased out and its use was on the decline. 37:58
The issue about shootings isn't that there are more of them. Every statistic and study shows that violent crime has gone down, especially since the onset of video games. It is suggested that perhaps video games provide an outlet for violent tendencies.
The issue and reason why violence and shootings appear to be getting worse is that the media hyperreport on it every time and often skew and/or omit things to make them seem worse. 20, 30, or 40 years ago there was more violence, but you usually didn't hear about it unless it happened in your area or was a major conflict/event.
Asmon does check some of the depression boxes too, I guess some people can't help but wonder
he doesnt have a wife, and i bet you, hes worried, if the girl rly likes him for him, and not just his money and more than that, if they will even be able to live with his life style.
@@KaleidosXXI oh wow, he changed a bit, i guess it makes sense, his world did get shaken up.
@@Dexyu Not everyone wants a wife... lol
Or a husband.
The only real world effect of videogame achievements is reaching a certain rank in a game and linking your account to the developer’s store, unlocks access for you to buy a pin that denotes your achievement. Otherwise, zero real world value beyond coordination and general learning if it’s relevant to the real world.
Incredibly good take from Asmogold here. The world is constantly improving in the overwhelming majority of areas. People perceive the world as getting worse in large part because negative news is far more attention-grabbing, and as such media (both legacy and social) constantly bombard people with doom and gloom. It makes people see the world as much worse than it is. It's good to see some optimism from a streamer for once.
if the world was actually getting worse then we wouldnt know it because we would be too busy to know it
Hearing millionaire talk about how the economy is better then 30 years ago, and its better now because internet is a bit absurd. It's better for you, because it's the only reason you're a millionaire...
Amouranth sure is aging fast at this point.
21:32. I've been an avid gamer since I was very young. I now have 2 kids, married, own a house, saving for retirement, have a great job. I'm lucky if I have an hour per week to play games. I still love gaming and will take the time to play with friends if I can find it, but your priorities shift as you get older. Eventually you have others who depend on you and you have to provide for, and gaming is no longer important. Your family is. It's just the way life goes.
Achievements at it's core is about setting a goal, following through, and accomplishing your goal. That absolutely has real world value.
No, it doesn’t.
18:20 i needed to hear that thank you so mutch for being youself.. i cryed a little no joke
Most disappointment I've ever had in a person, Asmongold, You know you are better than this.
Worst take I've ever heard about the separation of being an individual and being a part of society.
The entire video is heavy handed analogy that mostly flew over Asmon's head.
Like Damn, you fell pray to the this digital video attempt to fulfill a momentary desire to see something about amouranth in your analog mind.
@25:40 English is not American.. this whole travel large distance in your adult teens is a USA thing, not a WESTERN EU thing.
The 'west' is also not just the US, jeez. xD
His explanation is solid, but his interpretation is entirely subjected to an utilitarian POV where everything needs to have a justifiable reason and outcome, things can't "exist" just for the sake of "existing" (which is the whole nature of the universe) he's trying to give a quantifiable value to completely subjective things, appreciation of a rose comes from being "a rose" not because it holds any other meaning, sure you can rationalize why it's beautiful and what cultural context and meaning people have given to it, but it's still just a plant.
This is, ultimately, a DOGMATIC argumentation to believe in a "grandiose" purpose for humanity and people, when there isn't anything intrinsically valuable on any of those things.
These people look for THE truths of the universe when there is no clear evidence of the existence of any truths.These questions have subjective interpretations and any attempt to add your own objective take always falls short and comes off shallow or close minded. Very Dunning- Kruger.
@@sayzin that also what I thought.
@@DMLoosey Yes, Ultimately you can't measure the worth of anything when everything is subjective and tied to the morality of the era, what value does the life of a single person haves? a group of people? humanity?
Through the ages and the evolution of humanity all those measurements have been, and always will be, subjective.
Go back to monkey... I guess???
The point of not thinking that video games is a waste for thirty years is that in 30 years, you will DEEPLY regret that wasted time, even if you enjoyed much of it at the time.
Asmon had many L takes in this video that sounded like copium mostly
Agreed, some of his arguments against the video didn't even really address the points the video was making
19:10 depending on how people see things. I passively learned how to make profit from WOW auctionhouse, and how the supply and demands works. In the games that didnt had an auctionhouse, i had to learn how to sell my products and how to find the channels on where to sell them, and how to sell my products. From WOW raids you learn how to coordinate yourself with multiple people (an example here would be if you work in team to acomplysh the requierd goal). When i started to work at a store, i applied what i learned in WOW and the sales have grown up.
Man, I love Asmon but this video mae me realize 100% the Internet is Asmon's religion....his faith in it, blind though it may be at times even, is pretty much unshakeable as demonstrated by this video. All of his points and counter-points revert back to the same thing .....his Internet/Machine God. Dude, asmon you are a Warhammer 40K Mechanicus Techpriest :D
You're actually really on point. The biggest problem with "atheism" is that it doesn't exist. It just leads everyone to make a god of their ego or of pleasure or in this case the internet.
That plus the delusional "do whatever feels good to you" nihilism is his entire thing, predicated on some weird arbitrary libertarian "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". His relativistic thought process is self-refuting, the only question you have to pose is "is it objectively true that objective truth doesn't exist"?
I find the small tribe idea disingenuous in the way it conveniently ignores that cities have existed for over 2,000 years. There are different kinds of people such as those whose family has lived in the capital of Italy for 20 generations and those who have lived in rural communities for generations.
Compulsive buying is directly tied to dopamine releases in your brain, the same way instant gratification on social media or in game gambling mechanics are. It's not a separate problem at all. It's not because you, yourself, aren't subject to dopamine addiction (good for you, btw) that all these aren't linked and do not affect a majority of the population.
Asmongold stays on the safe side of opinions more than he realizes.
"Self satisfaction is the only thing that matters." Yeah, there are a lot of people who just haven't figure out how to be happy and assume everybody else feels the same way. Learning to enjoy the things that make you happy without having to find a reason to make that same thing cause you to hate yourself might take some work for some people, but it would be ultimately worth it for their mental health.
Asmongold, you are incredibly wise. You're right: a lot of problems we consider or claim to be an external issue, is really an internal issue. The tools we use and the abundance we receive, depend on the core values of the individual and their ability to utilize or enjoy and appreciate what they have and wanted.
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"how's it worse?" housing crisis, wages not keeping up with inflation, big corporations more out on control than they have ever been.
it makes no sense to argue with idiots. They will never get it.
its funny to see how asmon stuck in his own bubble and not even realising it while talking about "everything is better now"
Everything is better overall. That doesn't mean it's better for you specifically.
@@oEDLIo everything is not better overall. That doesn’t mean its worst for you specifically.
Moving away from your family when you are 18, and cutting ties with your extended family because you live in a different state and had to move to the big to work in a shoe factory city are two completely different things, you missed the point entirely because you've been conditioned to be a domesticated consumer.
You know nothing about sharing, community, and clan, you find those notions quaint.
We live in clusters of millions and have never been lonelier.