Are Season Pass Cards OVERPOWERED To Make You SPEND MONEY in Marvel SNAP?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Reviewing the past year of Season Pass cards and whether they have usually been overpowered or not. How strong do you think Season Pass cards are?
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In 2023 SD clearly had some trouble making balanced cards, but they seem to have learned their lesson this year. In four months the only new card they've had to nerf has been Red Hulk and even his nerf was pretty tame.
And, most important, isn't a exclusive p2w card (aka Season Pass).
I think Zemo has been the perfect season pass card. Middle of the road in overall power, yet introduces a new way of playing game (in a way that is extremely fun yet not op in any way)
No way... Zemo is trash, it wont get adjusted but he's not a good card at all
@@lorddanig But he is fun and that is what matters
I remember after the Mobius m Mobius nerf fiasco second dinner had to release a statement in a panic that their going to invest more into play testing,I really feel once the new cards were proper play tested we found the game in a more healthy state,I think they mentioned the cards were about four months down the pipeline ,so once we hit December and January it seemed like the game was in a better place,still it showed second dinner needed the community to show they were displeased with overpowered cards and constant nerfs
Excellent idea for a video. A trip down memory lane. No one would argue over your placements of all 12 past season passes. 3x4 spread; perfectly balanced, as all things should be. Zemo would be on the Avg. list. Also looking forward for cards like him. A breath of fresh air.
Rip Elsa you payed for SD sins. You're now back to meh but that's better then unplayable.
NAHHHH THEY ALL OP!! GREAT VIDEO!!
😂👑
i remember Loki was the 1st ever season pass card that made me want to spend my money for the game, but then i cry cause i've another things to do so i'm not able to buy Loki, then Elsa came i'm so Happy Early Elsa was so Strong, i can purchase her then SD ruin that, Elsa got nerfed until die, sad memories
This was a trip down the meta's memory lane. It's been a fun year.
I felt the same way! I forgot all about 2-0 Hit Monkey in the Bounce meta
@@docty_snapha yeah when Bounce goes crazy it goes CRAZY
Yes for sure sometimes op sometimes just good
I like that i have something to do and Season Pass Value is insane
I stopped playing for a while. Got tired and burnt out and it wasn't fun anymore. Felt like chores. I didn't even want to think about the game. I remember I got beta ray bill as the LAST key. I couldn't get corvus as I only had 3 keys. I couldn't get pixie as I only had 3 keys. I couldn't get mocking bird as I only had 2 keys. (And I was still playing everyday to get as many f2p resources as possible). Then they did that thing with the ms marvel, (which I still don't have) changed the schedule suddenly and it was so disappointing. I literally couldn't get a new fun card (exception was man-thing but this card is almost unplayable). Then this week I started playing again because I was excited for white widow. I had no keys and tried to grind as much as I could, playing 90% against bots which is not fun. Result: got the two variants of the cards I already had. It feels impossible to get new cards nowadays and it's absolutely horrible what these greedy developers are doing. The problem is not only the overpowered season pass cards, which I think they are on average but also the fact we get very few tokens and it´s not garanteed to get the new weekly card. I don't remember the last time I got the new card at first try, honestly probably just once. The token acquisition is ridiculous. This game should be gone already but it's not because it can occasionally be fun but some aspects of it are so frustrating. I'm considering deleting the account and uninstalling permanently because it's so unbearable. Did anything happen with the spotlight keys? Is it true you can't get the new card at first try if you have less than 4 keys? I don't know what to do. I was so excited about white widow or possibly another new card but again, 2 useless variants. I feel the game purposely punishes me because I've never spent my money on the game and it makes me hate the developers so much I wish they were dea*. I don't know. This game is hopeless. But I admire you for still trying to like this game and I admire you efforts and dedication. But for me... it's over.
it is crazy how I used to play mill archetype before baron zemo, I was playing yando mantis and cable with beast to repeat stealing or destroying the enmey deck, I am afraid now every one playing mill deck and I'm sure it will gets nerf
You could probably bring original hit monkey back and it wouldnt be too bad. Id be curious to see how it would fair.
I love having a reason to talk trash about second dinner and how bad they are. With that said, I don't believe they're on purposely making op cards to sell more season passes. Sure they have released some op ones but they've also released bad ones. Unfortunately it's hard for a smaller development team to fully balance a big popular game with thousands of active players.
I agree that balance is extremely hard! Even in the months with OP Season Pass Cards there were often other new OP cards that season and/or some cards that were too weak and needed buffs later.
this will only lead for people leaving the game
Great Video Docty!
Thank you 🙏🐙
Good video and I pretty much agree with your takes on the SP cards. I still think Loki should just give you random cards (a la District X), but that's just me. :)
I'm all for it - that would create amazing highlights !
I would argue that its also season pass cards that are lynchpins for deck archetypes. Also the point you started is just after Zabu and Silver Surfer which were absolutely bonkers on release. But feel free to disregard my opinion, I have not played much after they nerfed Zabu as I had been collecting other cards around that and they made my deck unplayable. And, while this might be fine for overall balance, it was not fine to sell a card to base the rest of your collection around and have it be changed to be unplayable. I have stopped playing the same since then and focus on other card games. Been playing a lot of Slay the Spire as an example. I like to look at other peoples opinions about the business model of making cards very desirable and pumping up other cards that synergize with them only to nerf them a month later.
2nd dinner lost any future money from me because of what happened with Zabu.
Yes, Surfer was Dec 2022 and Zabu was Jan 2023. Both were busted; but before that was Black Panther who wasn't busted, and after was MODOK who was great for Discard but nothing else.
Season pass cards being lynchpins for archetypes is a great point!
Slay the Spire is an amazing game! StS 2 beta drops next year 😁
(and play Balatro if you haven't yet! It's StS + Poker)
@@docty_snap I would expand your analysis to also nerfing interactions with other cards or other cards in common decks getting nerfed. For example Mysterio getting nerfed was often because of the archetypes he was used in being strong and not the card itself.
While I have not played the game much since I stopped binging it over Zabu, I do like to look at game balancing issues.
One example is Hope Summers which you gave a thumbs up to. I would argue that the Thanos stones got reworked because Hope Summers design was in the pipeline. Same with Lockjaw and the cheap 3 effect being moved up in cost. In fact, I think its a trend to give some new energy increase or discounting mechanic while nerfing some of the more efficient ones that existed before.
There is also the constant introducing a mechanic that counter another mechanic. Oh people are reducing costs with Loki/Quinjet. Lets give them Mobius. Oh people still want to cheat out cards? Lets give them a new energy creation card in Hope summers that gets around Mobius.
Thus, most seasonal cards do see meta play on release and then get pushed out even if there are no direct nerfs to the card.
I would say every season besides the hulk season and the thanos one that you covered followed these trends under my more expansive definition of meta countering and/or archetype lynchpin cards for sale.
A card does not need to be directly changed for it to be nerfed (or buffed for that matter) as it can be nerfed ( or buffed) with the prevalence of other cards and the release of other cards.
Problem is if they relase OP seasson pass card you will feel that you miss it😂
I still havent seen one content creator explain why Red Hulk was buffed before release if it wasnt to get more people to spend caches or tokens on him. Then he was nerfed shortly afterwards. Why? No amount of playtesting showed hilk to be "weak". They buffed to get people to spend and then nerfed and made a crappy excuse about fakeouts on turn 6. Total bullshit imo.
even after the nerf he still op they needed to nerf the +4 power to +2 not his main stat...
How do you know how the card's playtesting went 🤦♂️
The Snap community has so many of these stupid conspiracy theories of what happens behind the scenes, it's getting ridiculous. Just assume SD is dumb or something, we have no information of why they do what they do. Making shit up is simply unproductive, and clearly, doing it is upsetting ya'll 😂
@@user-sp9po5qi9q in what universe would paytesting have shown that the power needed an increase? The problem you're not acknowledging is we had Blob before and saw what a 6 cost with a ton of value is a massive threat to drop on turn 6 that can be extremely OP. What scenario of play testing DIDNT show red hulk being a 6-19 or 6-23 on the last turn? Just think for a second how their play testing environment could be so different from the actual play environment that they wouldn't have known he'd be OP. His effect is very strong and out of your control. Without perfect curve or luck, you will float mana. Period. In most games he is strong af. They knew this, buffed him before release, told everyone they buffed him, and released him. Only to nerf him within the same month. Logic not conspiracy, my guy.
@@AkumaSatoru I guess SD must have added code to the game where Red Hulk starts in your hand to sell it that week to? Like, the card is good but you have the assumption in ALL these scenarios that every game you have it in hand for 2-3 turns (you mentioned 19 and 23 power) and the opp isn't able to curve out properly. There are SO many variables to the card on the player playing it in their deck as well. This is also why your comparison to Blob is flawed as these two cards are not even in the same dimension in terms of power when they were released (at any point in the game, turn 1-6, if you drew on-release Blob, you were winning a lane garunteee with 30+ power that was COMPLETELY uncoreographed as opposed to Red Hulk). Obviously I agree that the card was great on release but your theory is severely flawed and baseless. A singular power buff is not a deal breaker or case closer in whether a player would buy a card with Red Hulk's card effect, simple as that.
@@user-sp9po5qi9q blob was not choreographed? 🤣 Do we play the same game? First hint is Thanos. Second hint is big cards. He was a terror before his nerf too. 🤣 And you knew he was coming in Thanos Everytime. Thanos was flooding the MetA because of it. You're not being serious here. Even with two buff, red hulk was 19 power. You're just feigning ignorance at this point. Also, you still didn't address how adding one power was needed at all. What data showed red hulk would need a buff before release? Please. Enlighten me o wise one. 6-10 to 6-11. Because he was weak in playtesting? What's the reason Einstein?
Of course they are! Pay-to-win then nerfe to make room for the new pay-to-win card. Recent examples - Loki, Ms.Marvel, Hope Summers.
How do you feel about Sebastian Shaw, Skaar, and Black Swan?
He won’t answer to that cause he’s too stupid xD he’s just writing stuff on autopilot without using his brain. Probably didn’t even watch the video. So sad for him and those 3 upvotes
@@docty_snap Not bad cards either, more niche, shine in certain decks. One problem is that there are no new cards below Tier 5, so everything is very expensive.
what i really want is for SD to stop releasing energy cheat cards like skarr hope and black swan especially since they took literally a year to get close to balancing wave which was their first season pass card, also all the cost cheats either feel pay to win and boring or they just suck and are problematic
Do you think Electro is a good balance where he boosts energy but has a huge downside (and poor stats)? Should other energy cheat cards have a bigger downside to make them more niche and harder to abuse?
@@docty_snap yes i think electro is one of their perfect cards he’s fun for both sides but not to strong and not series 4 or 5 so plenty of people can get him. I don’t think we should get more per se with downsides but instead we should get less and focus on new archetypes or new fun cards.
Wave was the first season pass? I thought it was Thor or Daredevil
@@ThallesMan she was the first energy cheat. i think the first ever was nick fury or miles morales
Obviously. Don't be mad about it though, because the alternative is no sales for SD and a game that is not sustainable is a game that dies quickly.
Yes
Buys Season Pass. WOW OP Card.
After the season, nerfed to oblivion.
Same with Spotlights. Rinse and Repeat.
Were you surprised that Elsa Bloodstone was nerfed while still being the Season Pass Card? It took Loki much longer to be directly nerfed.
Sad comment
The summary of my season pass cards since Phoenix Force release: rubbishly buy