Creating Wealth using Nifty and Long term Options contracts !!

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  • @Elearnmarkets
    @Elearnmarkets  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

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  • @Gargsheetal1
    @Gargsheetal1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am a 2003 batch CA and an avid listener of your webcasts since January 2022. So much to learn from your guests. Wish I should have started earlier! Thanks a lot, Vivek ji.

  • @jivesh2513
    @jivesh2513 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    गोविन्द सर बहुत ही दिमाकदार है इनकी सारी बाते ऊपर से निकल रही है मेरे..

  • @Razrman
    @Razrman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of the best session on your channel so far. What a mind blowing strategy and explained so much in detail. thank you so much.

  • @akbarmansoori8595
    @akbarmansoori8595 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shukriya Govindji and Vivek ji.......saadar naman......Aajkal so-called market guru apni strategy 10--20 hajar mai sale kar rahe hai ...Lekin aapne itni badiya strategy free of cost open kar di....Allah aapko khush rakhe ...Aamin

  • @rameshgiri4389
    @rameshgiri4389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow,,it’s an eye opener. Never thought the wealth growth along with its preservation was explained this clearly.
    It’s a bit late for me (57 years old) but will direct my children and nephews towards this idea.
    Thank you both for taking time to make a
    Such a lovely video.
    Both of you earned good karma.
    Ramesh

  • @prasadvyas257
    @prasadvyas257 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Two Financial Market Experts in One Frame.. Simply Awesome.. Its cherishing to watch this video and learn an innovative investing method with low risk.. Worth 100x the time & efforts.. Many thanks

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So nice of you! Do Like, Share & Subscribe for more such content.

  • @rameshkumaryathirajyam9819
    @rameshkumaryathirajyam9819 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Govind Bhai is awesome. The Options trading for Growth explained in simple words. The Risk mitigation concept when mkts are down and the comparison with property prices for making us understand was Gr8. I think this will work for Investement ideas for Retirees. Happy investing and knowledge sharing. Thanks to F2F and Vivek for the online session.
    Ramesh

  • @Officeal333
    @Officeal333 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mai ne do bar full. Video dekha but best part . Vivek sir ne jo masum sa face bana ke bole . 1cr to sab ke pass nahi hai yahi strategy ek lot ya 10 lac be bataye to ... Retail invester ka dil dil jeet liya sir ne. 😊

  • @shampavmancg
    @shampavmancg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is one video that i've watched at least 20times since you aired it.
    Thank you very much for such wonderful teaching.

    • @virenderrajbhar-sf3gc
      @virenderrajbhar-sf3gc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You had watch 20 time did you tried it out . Itried to buy December option but my broker don't allow it . Kotak neo is my broker . Any help

  • @विधुअरविन्दपाण्डेय

    बस नमन ही कर सकता हूँ आप दोनों को। मेरी तो यही फाइनेंशियल पाठ शाला है।

  • @raaj9900
    @raaj9900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Govind ji you are an absolute gem of a person.. Great donation of wisdom worth lacs & crores

  • @rajeshwarnoojibail4008
    @rajeshwarnoojibail4008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This session was out of the world. Each and every words were pure gems. Grateful to both of you.

  • @SteveVed
    @SteveVed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Easily one of the best investing discussions I have seen. The clarity of thought and the simplification of the process is amazing. Kudos to you for putting this together👏👏

  • @sumandas7704
    @sumandas7704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    By far one of the best f2f sessions that I have seen. Wonderful concept explained with great simplicity. Heartfelt thanks to both of you for sharing such knowledge. God bless.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      We just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry nothing else(No Put No Future)
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7.5% per annum and we get approx 6.6 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6 lac - 6.6 lac = 0
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @sumandas7704
      @sumandas7704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nitingarg94 True that this is simpler but which debt fund gave you 7.5% return in 2021 or in 2022 and how do know that sitting in Jan. Also if Nifty does not hit the strike price for few years your portfolio doesn't grow at all.

    • @sagarharish2745
      @sagarharish2745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @nitingarg
      Sirji your startegy is perfect zero loss only profit, but you are forgetting one thing when the market will have a steep fall , the put that we buy against the whole position will give you profit , and with that profit you would like be convinced to buy more NIFTY etf there increasing your units but effectively your market value would only reduce by the amount of insurence protection , once the market rises back the extra etf that you purchased at lower rates because of put profit will now give you the returns

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sagarharish2745thanks sagar for ur kind words, but i think u misunderstood something in my strategy
      We are not buying any put, we are just buying call......jst visit my channel u will find a detailed presentation there on it

    • @sagarharish2745
      @sagarharish2745 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94
      Your channel what is that called can you share the link

  • @rajaraddi
    @rajaraddi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Felt like i attended this session only for few seconds, One should be blessed to gain knowledge from two gurus pouring their finance knowledge without any hindrance, hesitation .God bless you both for making such content available to public.

  • @MrLalitadnani
    @MrLalitadnani 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Pure gold content!! Spreading such knowledge to retailers for free is commendable.❤

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for the comment.

    • @rakeshagarwal7715
      @rakeshagarwal7715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Just go and buy the call of December...u will get exactly the same result which govindji taught...u can check

    • @udipth
      @udipth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@rakeshagarwal7715 You are right when you see things theoretically. But as you understand the same thing will behave differently depending on how one uses it. An option can be used for speculation and the same thing can be used for hedging. Similarly buying a call option and buying a synthetic future with hedging works a whole lot different.
      To understand this, we need to understand why synthetic future was being used. We bought futures as they were having low financing costs. To avoid the disadvantages of futures we moved to a synthetic future. So the purpose of buying synthetic futures is to reduce our funding cost.
      Now, when you invest using synthetic future, you have a multiplicity of strikes and multiplicity of expiries. Now, say June synthetic future is cheaper than December future, then simply buying a December call will not match the results. Similar is the case when the market goes up - an OTM put will have a fast-shifting opportunity as compared to an ITM Call. So theoretically they may seem similar but they have a lot of differences in real-life situations.

    • @boxpackers1349
      @boxpackers1349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rakeshagarwal7715 if u purchase a call ,it is OK , if market goes up. But there is no protection ,if it goes down.

    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bhaiya 10% is cost of business if you are active trader.

  • @powerofoptions7
    @powerofoptions7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am very glad that when I entered in market I found Vivek Ji and Elearnmarket. Thank you Vivek Ji.

  • @rajeshbang
    @rajeshbang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    sir, big salute to you, you are doing a very good job. Also today's guest is full of knowledge. liked the show very much.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
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  • @brahmaroy8337
    @brahmaroy8337 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vivek Bhai you are great. Govind Bhai is precious gems.

  • @chandan1270
    @chandan1270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kudos to vivek ji for bringing such gems 💎 of the market. Retailers need to understand that making money from the market needs long term planning. We need to use derivatives for our benefit and hedging the portfolio. I guess this is what the institutions do.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
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  • @bhuvanajagarapu7977
    @bhuvanajagarapu7977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bless your daughter , she is doing great job please encourage her 🙏

  • @nitinpatel7560
    @nitinpatel7560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Are Vivek ji very happy to hear My friend Govind ji after long time. He is very good speaker/ teacher to understand maths ,whenever he start speaking, log sunte hi rahate hai great Vivek ji, ones start to see no one can stop till end 👌👌😀👍

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. We appriciate your comment.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @BHUPINDERSINGH-wo6nx
      @BHUPINDERSINGH-wo6nx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sir, from 2015 to till date , i calculate, according to your investment style for rs 10lakh investment, 30% nifty bees purchased and 70% bond investment@7%, i got rs2122603 but if i purchased simply nifty bees ETF of 10lakh at Rs83.85 than i got rs2301729.. if anyone calculate pls give me his answer..

    • @arpit25277
      @arpit25277 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BHUPINDERSINGH-wo6nx sir can u pls tell wht was your return in both cases during low made in corona fall ...this will give better idea.... pls take it in positive way,this is not to demotivate u but to get clear idea abt strategy shared,as it provides protection in downfall....so your figures will help lot... specially me...thanks

    • @udipth
      @udipth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BHUPINDERSINGH-wo6nx If you are not taking any action intra-year, then practically end to end, market has been in range or kept on rising. Given this, you must make lesser money than ETF and this is what your working is showing.

  • @somratna
    @somratna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i invested in roblox 3years ago and got huge profits from your tactics thanks

  • @sanjivchhabraify
    @sanjivchhabraify 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    👏🏻👏🏻 I am in market since last three years, but this knowledge is really eye opener.
    Govind ji, the way you elaborate your awesome strategy very impressive.
    Keep it up Vivek bhai.
    👍👍

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your comment is pricious to us. Thank you.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @PKPK-tz7fj
      @PKPK-tz7fj ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 hi, elaborate on a scenario when the nifty is at say 16800 on 31dec2022

  • @HemantSharma
    @HemantSharma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The best of best F2F Interviews I have seen so far, such a beautiful and great strategy to build Wealth.

  • @sudeepganu577
    @sudeepganu577 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gold. Pure Gold!! Thank you Vivek for featuring such gems! Thanks Govind for sharing this powerful method of wealth creation in an open forum! God bless both. May elearnmarkets succeed and prosper!

  • @surendranveettil7363
    @surendranveettil7363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dear Vivek Sir,
    This is one of the best face face discussion among all the Videos you have shared...Thanks Govindji for such a wonderful presentation. 👍🙏🏻

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      Keep watching our videos and also share with your friends and family.
      You can also check our website for more updates on the stock market- www.elearnmarkets.com/

    • @KAVITANITIN
      @KAVITANITIN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every f2f is wonderful✨😍

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @sandippatel3680
      @sandippatel3680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 niftybees buy nahi karna hai ?

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sandippatel3680 its depend on you.....where u will invest remaining 93 lakh rs
      if u invest whole amount in bonds thn u will not face drawdown period.....but if u invest whole amount in niftybees thn u may face drawdown in niftybees
      In my view 60 lakh niftybees and 33 lakh in FD @ 6% is a better option to invest rather than bonds

  • @anjaneyulukanaparti2712
    @anjaneyulukanaparti2712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is really excellent. I have been in trade since decades .I were able to know earlier I would be a multi crore person. Govind ji had really enlightened me. I thank him. I thank VIVEK BAJAJ JI FOR HIS SERVICE.

    • @Rahulrahul-cz2tn
      @Rahulrahul-cz2tn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did u become rich by trading only ,is it possible??

  • @amitbhattar789
    @amitbhattar789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For me, this strategy makes little sense. The losses in future / synthetic futures would be more than the profit from put option. Therefore we would be required to bring additional money to fund the losses over and above the profit earned from Long Put. So, we would never get a chance to buy ETF or create fresh long future positions out of the profits earned from Long Put option.
    Buying future and put equates to Buying call option. In short, we can just buy a long duration call and it would give same payout chart. The losses are fixed and profits are unlimited if market moves upwards.
    Please let me know if somebody has different understanding as I may have missed something. Always ready to learn !!
    Vivek ji, you have vast knowledge on this subject and doing excellent service in imparting knowledge to us. I am sure you would have identified the shortcomings in this strategy. Just a thought that if you have raised these points during recording of the f2f, it would give us more clarity. No complain..!!

    • @amitbhattar789
      @amitbhattar789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Important points to learn for me in this video is:
      1. Invest in Index through ETF rather than equity
      2. Buy aggresively when market corrects and hold it.
      3. There is no holy grail strategy in the market other than patience and discipline in investing.

    • @uvjoshi07
      @uvjoshi07 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amitbhattar789 here how to recover losses when market crash big way ? (as buying fut, selling put & buying call ATM, all that means you are bullish) How we can get profit from put selling when market going down ?

    • @amitbhattar789
      @amitbhattar789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@uvjoshi07 In the video, Govind ji is asking to buy a long expiry Put to get insured from the falling market. Put selling will be profitable only in bullish market as you identified correctely. The problem is that futures have delta of 50 whereas At the money Put has 25 delta. The Put delta would turn to 50 when it is significantly In the money but by that time, Futures would give significant losses and the profits from Long Put cannot outmatch it. Alternatively, we can buy 2 Put options to match delta of Future but then the insurance cost would double.

    • @uvjoshi07
      @uvjoshi07 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amitbhattar789 Sir, I once again checked the video they asked to buy call & sale put one lot each Put ITM preferred. Buying fut one lot is bullish, buying call is bullish & selling put is also bullish.

    • @amitbhattar789
      @amitbhattar789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@uvjoshi07 Sir, you got little confused. In that segment Govind ji was talking about synthetic futures. In regular future contracts, if we buy futures and the market goes down we are required to bring funds for mark to market losses (MTM). This would be troublesome but we can create same future position with the help of options also which would not require to bring funds for MTM losses immediately.
      Buy Call + Sell Put = Long Future
      Sell Call + Buy Put = Short Future
      Left hand side positions are known as synthetic futures.
      The synthetic futures are then required to be insured by buying long expiry Put.
      I hope it clarifies the doubt. Though once you understand the above concept, you would feel that the whole idea of creating synthetic futures in the above strategy by Govind ji and then protecting it by Put can simply be acheived by buying a long duration call option as I was saying in my original comment. So, for me his strategy does not make sense.

  • @sitarajebhaukhetri799
    @sitarajebhaukhetri799 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    बहुत ही अच्छा थँक्यू विवेक बजाज अँड all team

  • @balasahebdahitane1171
    @balasahebdahitane1171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very unique and fabulous F2F with simple practical examples...
    Thank you so much for providing such a valuable content.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi,
      Keep watching our videos and also share with your friends and family.
      You can also check our website for more updates on the stock market- www.elearnmarkets.com/

  • @gopalmudhiraj2020
    @gopalmudhiraj2020 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vivek bhai ko moka hi nahi diya bath karneke superb explanation 👌 thank you Govind sir

  • @sanjivearora4571
    @sanjivearora4571 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Dear Vivek ji you are bringing out gems of investment world to the fore, your face to face is a revolutionary concept, one of the best episode for long term investors . Thank you very much for this interaction . Thanks also to Govind Jhawar ji for explaining the concept so lucidly . Hats off to both of you.

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much Sanjive Arora. We really appreciate your honest feedback 😊

  • @shampavmancg
    @shampavmancg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No words to express the gratitude.
    While my Hindi isn't great the quality of this discussion is just stupendous. I was always trying to figure out how to hedge my investments.. thank you

    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1. Protected leverage.
      2. 8-10 % is going to be cost of business. Most suitable for profitable option traders.
      3. At least 1 December shall fall in huge bear market. So minimum 5-10 year required for this strategy to work. Or you get the idea when to cover the future and make new trade. March 2020.
      4. Don't be carried away, actually returns are less. But if you know what is required for proper implementation then it's free money.
      5. We can finance Dec put buy by sell call option of Dec. Covered call. But it will cap our profit on upside.
      6. If you have proper trend following system then if market goes down we can cover few future lot and buy only our system again says uptrend. Little risky if you can't identify the trend. Sell high buy low.
      7. Best thing about this strategy is that we can buy future with confidence.
      8. This strategy will work good if you are efficient in execution and can find cheaper synthetic future otherwise buy a Dec month call. Same results.
      9. Better Alternate to this strategy is that make a Dec month debit call spread. Buy ATM( little OTM) Call option sell far OTM call option. Now you can be little innovative with selling far OTM call option. Also bring buy leg up when it become ITM.
      10. Enjoy

  • @mohitkhurana
    @mohitkhurana 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a beautiful strategy and how exhaustively you have explained. Thanks to both of you for sharing this with us. A great learning session.

  • @burkhan123
    @burkhan123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the Best video of face2face. There is lot to learn from Marwari community, in terms of finance.

  • @nileshparab7142
    @nileshparab7142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of THE best face to face, Conceptual clarity and delivery of the content is amazing, Learning from this face 2 face is worth 100 good books.
    Thanks to both of you.

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the comment.

  • @ajitmahato8640
    @ajitmahato8640 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this is not vedio this is ocean of knowledge this is amazing session thNK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TYPE OF AMAZING ANAYLISIS

  • @ganeshkv14
    @ganeshkv14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent! Govindji gives such ideas in an open forum. One Gem introduces another gem to retailers!

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We appreciate your comment and we would love to hear more from you.
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  • @bibekranjanprusty2399
    @bibekranjanprusty2399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Post morterm of the strategy: Firstly, Lets assume that nifty moves up steadily by 15-20% per annum for 10 years without crashing (>1000 points in a month) in between. The net cost for hedging and rolling over will eat away into the return which could have been achievd without the hedge and roll over and you will end up earning much lower than the expected 15-20%. So this strategy works well only if there is a crash where hedge protects from loss and the future giving excellent return during recovery from a lower base. In an extreme case where the nifty rises steadily 10% (from December tot December and with little volitility in between), the net return will be zero for 10 years considering the 10% cost. One might argue what-if there is no hedge and the market crashes? Assuming that you are holding nifty index of all 1 crore rupees, you not do anything and just wait for recovery. Secondly, the roll over cost shown here at 3.5% is not true. If you see the current month vs future month future prices, the roll over cost per month is appx. 70 points that translates into 70 x 12 months x 50 lot size for nifty = 42000 which is 5% of 850000 (i.e. value of one lot nifty 17000 x 50). So the cost involved here is more than that shown. Thirdly, in synthetic future also, one has to pay MTM loss. so cash is required in addition to collateral. Anyway, it was a good learning session. Conclusion: You have the right to differ from me.

    • @akhilmontu
      @akhilmontu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the amount of protective put we have to buy in this strategy??
      Let's say i make it on Tuesday(16th aug,22)
      1) 17700ce AuG + (3 lots)
      2) 17700pe aug - (3 lots)
      3) 17700 PE Dec + (??)
      ( How many lots of protective put should I buy... 3 or just 1)

    • @bibekranjanprusty2399
      @bibekranjanprusty2399 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@akhilmontu As explained in the video, for full protection, you need to buy 3 lots Dec PE. Now you think you will lose all your hedge money if nifty goes nowhere. That is why this stregy will work in long-term and when there is a crash in between. That is why he suggested this strategy with 8-10 years view

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done very easily instead of all this complex things. Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dear Bibekji
      You have raised a few interesting questions which are as follows:
      1. "Lets assume that nifty moves up steadily by 15-20% per annum for 10 years without crashing (>1000 points in a month) in between. The net cost for hedging and rolling over will eat away into the return which could have been achieved without the hedge and roll over and you will end up earning much lower than the expected 15-20%. "
      Ans: You are absolutely correct. If you believe, that in next 10 years Nifty will keep on rising without crashing then you are correct. But the challenge is -> how probable you consider this scenario, against a scenario wherein you believe that market will generate 15-20% return YOY with 2 -3 big dips in between - yesterday it was corona, some time back it was US housing and some other day it was some international issue.
      2. "the roll over cost shown here at 3.5% is not true. If you see the current month vs future month future prices, the roll over cost per month is appx. 70 points that translates into 70 x 12 months x 50 lot size for nifty = 42000 which is 5% of 850000 (i.e. value of one lot nifty 17000 x 50). "
      Ans. You are very good at mathematics and surprisingly you made a small error in your working. 5% is the approx forwarding cost YOY but if you remember the strategy, 70% of fund is only invested using future -> So 70%*5% = 3.5% and hence forwarding cost was mentioned as 3.5% & not 5%
      3. " In an extreme case where the nifty rises steadily 10% (from December tot December and with little volatility in between), the net return will be zero for 10 years considering the 10% cost"
      Ans. You are correct in understanding that Gross cost of investment is 8.5% (3.5% of future & 5% of hedging). But as you are using future, you are saving interest on your Debt at 7%. So 70% saves 7% so your net saving is 5% per annum. So in either of the plan, your cost is around 3.5% or less. So if in case market gives a steady rise of 10% per annum, then you still end up making 6.5% and NOT a ZERO. So, in an extreme case of market rising at 10% every year then no doubt, you will make lesser then market.
      4. One might argue what-if there is no hedge and the market crashes? Assuming that you are holding nifty index of all 1 crore rupees, you not do anything and just wait for recovery.
      Ans. Lets understand this with an example.
      Scenario 1: Lets say you invested Rs. 1 crore without protection at 18000 and market crashed to 12000. So your investment value becomes Rs. 67 Lacs. Now when market recovers to 18000 your value is back to Rs. 1 crore
      Scenario 2: You invested Rs. 1 crore with Rs. 1 crore protection at 18000 & market crashed to 12000. Your investment value will be 96.5 lacs (1crore - 3.5Lac). Now when market recovers to 18000 your investment value recovers to 144.75.
      So having a protection not only gives you peace of mind, in a drop to recovery scenario it not only covers its cost, it helps you beat index by 2-3% over years.
      If you consider point 1 & point 4 together, then in the likely case of market giving return of 15% over next 10 years and with 2 big dips, the strategy will not only help you survive those 10 years, it will help you generate 17-18% return with a max risk of 4% over any year.

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nitingarg94 You are right when you see things theoretically. But as you understand the same thing will behave differently depending on how one uses it. An option can be used for speculation and the same thing can be used for hedging. Similarly buying a call option and buying a synthetic future with hedging works a whole lot different.
      To understand this, we need to understand why synthetic future was being used. We bought futures as they were having low financing costs. To avoid the disadvantages of futures we moved to a synthetic future. So the purpose of buying synthetic futures is to reduce our funding cost.
      Now, when you invest using synthetic future, you have a multiplicity of strikes and multiplicity of expiries. Now, say June synthetic future is cheaper than December future, then simply buying a December call will not match the results. Similar is the case when the market goes up - an OTM put will have a fast-shifting opportunity as compared to an ITM Call. So theoretically they may seem similar but they have a lot of differences in real-life situations.
      Hope this clarifies your doubt

  • @EpicToEdge
    @EpicToEdge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bohot Jabardast..
    Din ka Aant Gyank k Saath..

  • @nitinshri
    @nitinshri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Had heard and read a lot about Hedging but not with this simplicity. Hats off to you both!!

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @harishpn4396
      @harishpn4396 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 breakeven in this strategy will be 19200, not 18000?

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harishpn4396 breakeven is 18000
      Bcz 1200 point premium loss will be covered from interest received from balance 93 lakh funds

    • @shashankkala3437
      @shashankkala3437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 with this strategy we won't be able to take advantage of buying more units of the etf at lower levels which would make huge difference when the upmove will come

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shashankkala3437 u can take full advantage on lower prices......plz read my strategy twice
      If still u hv any issue visit my channel...... I shared a detailed presentation there

  • @jainnarein
    @jainnarein ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome people... Am happy to be a part of Vipassana meditation as wel, apart from stock investors...

  • @cptiwari
    @cptiwari 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is wonderfull session. I wish it adds to your sukarma. Bow to you for bringing such gems of Stock Market for public at no cost. More power to you, Vivek Bhai!

  • @sajith_1croredream
    @sajith_1croredream ปีที่แล้ว

    I never think such like strategy is there in this world, it was owsome vedeo and eye opening, i am a regular player of option intraday trading, Vivek ji this is the one of the best vedeo in your channel whatever i seen, im a regular viewer of your channel, your vedeos are long but all are best......hats off your effort.......as well as your Play store app also awsome..........best wishes.......

  • @pg1977
    @pg1977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of the best practical video.. have gone through many options video but this guy nailed it with simplicity.. loved it and will implement it with a covered call so no cost benefit or slight profit

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @sangitasojitra5427
      @sangitasojitra5427 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nitinji, you didn't add selling put calculation, isn't it needed?

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sangitasojitra5427 bcz we r not selling any put in this.....we r just buying call nothing else

    • @avinashshrivastava1512
      @avinashshrivastava1512 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 Nitin could you please explain more did not understand properly if market down what will happen

    • @harshrajjadhav940
      @harshrajjadhav940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@nitingarg94 just one catch here your equity exposure here isn't 1 crore its 50 lakh. An ATM option has a delta of 0.5. So for 10K risk you're putting up 1 crore of capital each year where if the Market doesn't move or goes down you earn basically nothing but if it goes up, you earn on your 50 lakhs. So if market goes up 15 percent your portfolio goes up 7.5 percent. Plus all your gain would be taxed short term. no free lunch in the markets.

  • @pallaviharsha2533
    @pallaviharsha2533 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is insanely useful episode. Very very under rated. Really awesome guest.

  • @jayashreechaudhari3077
    @jayashreechaudhari3077 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Vivekji and Govindji , it was outstanding session .Govindji has really opened up eyes that too in a simple way. I really have no words to express gratitude. Looking forward for more sessions with him.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We are glad you enjoyed our video. We will surely come up with more!
      However, we also have more such opportunities for our learners, so that they can get more exposure. You can have a look here- sedg.in/vphngz35

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @expirytrader5802
      @expirytrader5802 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 what ever you are saying will not make money in down trend

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@expirytrader5802 I think u misunderstood something
      Jst read my startegy again
      Infact in downtrend u can generate more returns
      Still if u hv an query visit my channel

    • @cmbaloni
      @cmbaloni 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 it seems you are not concerned about safety.

  • @whatsigmund
    @whatsigmund ปีที่แล้ว

    Have been thinking of this for a very long time. But just couldnt figure out how to execute it. A long time q was answered today, for thst i am gratefull! Thank you

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We appreciate your positive response.
      Also, we are coming up with more such learning experiences for our learners, so that they can gain more knowledge. You can have a look here- sedg.in/jv8qkf49

  • @ngc1234
    @ngc1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Real eye opener, thanks to both of you

    • @leodsouza9751
      @leodsouza9751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      which eye of yours has opened

  • @SANJEEVYADAV-we8og
    @SANJEEVYADAV-we8og 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again a fantastic strategy Vivek Ji. Once again God bless u Vivek ji.... "ISHWAR AAP DONO KO GOOD HEALTH AND WEALTH PRADAAN KAREN"

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We are glad you enjoyed our video. We will surely come up with more!
      However, we also have more such opportunities for our learners, so that they can get more exposure. You can have a look here- sedg.in/vphngz35

  • @ramkrishnakamat808
    @ramkrishnakamat808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of the best F2F sessions . Thanks both of you

  • @DEEPAKMAKODE
    @DEEPAKMAKODE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you So much Vivek Sir apne Share market ko itne ache se itne easy way me samjhne ke liye 🙏🙏

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We have been looking into your opinion and will be working on it.
      You can also check our website for more updates on the stock market- www.elearnmarkets.com/

  • @maulik650
    @maulik650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Sorry, I have a question here. In the video, it is suggested that we buy futures (synthetic or actual) and buy a put option. I do not understand how it is any different from just plain vanilla buying a call option simply. Because, you are going to pay premium for buying PE as well as CE. If markets expire at the same level, the PE with futures strategy will be in loss because the PE premium will have decayed but future will be cost to cost. Similarly if we simply buy a CE, same thing will happen.
    In fact, if you compare both these things in OPSTRA, you will get the exact same pay off graph and Profit/Loss.
    Secondly, if you are buying a CE, then all my margin money will also be free.
    Thirdly, by buying a CE, I am eliminating the MTM maintaining requirements as well as I do not have to worry about roll over and thus the slippages associated with the price difference between futures of this month vs the next month.
    Also, the video states that the profit made from PE in case markets fall can be reinvested at a lower level. How is this possible ? if you get profit in PE, that money plus the premium you paid for it will be deducted from you account because you would have also made a loss in futures who will pay for that ?
    Hence based on these points above, please if possible, explain to us why we simply should not buy a CE of annual expiry instead of doing all these complicated things

    • @ak211
      @ak211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely correct 👍

    • @laxsri
      @laxsri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Difference might be because you don't pay in cash or just 50% of the prem. and balance is utilized from collaterals.

    • @maulik650
      @maulik650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laxsri Sir we do not pay in cash, but when you do futures, you have to pay MTM in cash right? plus, when you are buying put option for hedging, you are anyways paying cash, so what is the point in doing all these complicated things ? instead whatever premium you are spending in hedging for buying put option, just buy a call option with that same amount. Result, 1. all margin will be free 2. you do not have to worry about MTM difference 3. Yo do not have to roll over future contracts hence nullifying the roll over cost every month.
      So why do all this ?

    • @shukbindersingh9875
      @shukbindersingh9875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The synthetic future is for month over month only but, the long-term Put you will buy for hedging would be yearly.
      Fall can be reinvested - When the market falls you will only loose your PE premium but the profit you have will be invested at better levels. So, next time when market reaches to same level, you will have ahigher quantity than you had before the fall(Profitable).

    • @maulik650
      @maulik650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shukbindersingh9875 Bro, firstly, let us assume you buy a future at 17500 and buy a yearly put option at 17500. Now by November (or by December expiry if you decide to keep the position and not roll over to the next year) if nifty is trading at 16500, toy will make a (1000-premium paid) rs profit in PE you have bought. But, that profit will be adjusted against the loss in the futures which you have also bought at 17500 and is now in a loss of 1000 rs. So you see, the profit in the PE bought is going to be adjusted in the loss against the futures so how can you reinvest ?? it is not possible bro. So basically you are loosing the premium paid here as well. So why not just buy a CE if you are anyways going to loose the premium ?

  • @prafullkasale6235
    @prafullkasale6235 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video blows my mind....will go deep in this...Thank you so much Elearmarkets..!!!!

  • @nayanjyotideka8182
    @nayanjyotideka8182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dear Govind sir and Vivek sir
    Indeed a wonderful webinar.
    Here, additionally I would like to know that as we have the strategies to buy future by hedging it with options.
    If we do that what would be the difference in this scenario.
    Regards

  • @NileshPatel-mp7uu
    @NileshPatel-mp7uu ปีที่แล้ว

    I am investing in the market for almost more then 45 years and never do option future only because I believe that only money can be made in long term investment and I stick to it religiously and gain very handsomely. But since last few years the volatility in the market is so high I started thinking that there should be another option to find out extra Alfa on our reasonably good invested quantity of stock. I watched your video twice and found very informative that this can be another way of creating Alfa in this environment apart from selling in STOCK FUTURE against your holding which I was thinking to do.
    You are excellent to make us understand so easily such a complex subject.
    Vivek is always excellent and I watch his almost all video very patiently and he really deserves full application for doing this excellent work for the people like us.-- NILESH PATEL

  • @praveenkishor1486
    @praveenkishor1486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    For discussion/comments going on this video, here is my initial thought. Today nifty close is 17833 and 17800 Sep CE is Rs 297. Even we exclude intrinsic value it comes to 260. So for a full month premium would be say rs 300. For 2 lot nifty i.e. 100 qty total premium for one year would be 300x100x12 = 3,60,000/- . Suppose market gone some 1000 points up then 2000 points down and 1000 points again up in next one year closes at the same place our total loss/cost would be rs.3.6 lacs whereas in this described lesson with 18000 Pe/17500 PE Dec 23 and roll over cost, total cost/loss would be 1.2 lacs. Of course there is a need to calculate other scenario also. In sum i understand that it is a strategy for moderate gain when market moves higher, for moderate loss when market moves lower with stress on hedge which will benefit when market crashes like 2008 or 2020. View with calculation in different scenarios are expected.

    • @praveenkishor1486
      @praveenkishor1486 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Further managing through only call shall be beneficial when one actively trades, which in this case also can be done simultaneously. So this strategy will act as one level up for diversification.

    • @ankurjain7946
      @ankurjain7946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is saying u will be protected after 5 % cut . So why not to simply buy edges %5 % lower in weekly basis in almost 1 RS both sides available every 48 times a year .
      Why to give such a large premium den .
      His intention is only to save future after 5% but is ready to give easily 5% premium for a year which is the only profit for many writers .
      He is feared of Black swan . He should be . But there are more better ways to protect the future den to do long term contracts .

    • @dhirajsinha2001
      @dhirajsinha2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Other than grossly underestimating ATM put cost, there's a basic flaw in the computation ( pl check my comment) and the difference isn't trivial. The speaker conveniently glosses over it

    • @dhirajsinha2001
      @dhirajsinha2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      From the comments, it's clear that you're the only one who has understood the basic flaw in this entire video.

    • @rageshgr
      @rageshgr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spot on. I was about to say the same. Even in a crash year like 2020. If we hold outs till the end the. Again the entire put premium will be lost. Ideally we should have cashed out the put on March 23. And bought fresh ATM puts at low price. But we donno the bottom. So the strategy needs some rules like if market crashes more than 10% then we need to cash out the put etc. otherwise If market goes down and then recovers the entire premium is waste. Also.

  • @dineshsuvarna4119
    @dineshsuvarna4119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This vivid dissemination of information will certainly be etched in the memory of investors

    • @cbgottipati3039
      @cbgottipati3039 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing f2f and sharing such great knowledge 👏👏

  • @Prof.Dil_se
    @Prof.Dil_se 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great learning...and thanks a lot for the valuable wisdom...by Govind Sir and Vivek Sir...
    If we consider a Hypothetical situation where Nifty Index stays flat for years without moving anywhere then what will be the course of action as the premium cost will be incurred YOY basis each year...( however the possibility is too less)..
    But thanks for the explanation of the concept...

  • @HiteshPatel-oz9sk
    @HiteshPatel-oz9sk 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank a Lot Govind Sir

  • @ravs3788
    @ravs3788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Vivek ji
    Just one question.....
    Do you schedule these videos according to market conditions.
    Such a smart way of lightning the street of wealth creation! 🙏🏼

  • @kalpeshmirashi8661
    @kalpeshmirashi8661 ปีที่แล้ว

    i met him he came to One of seminar of ventura securitys in 2010 around , nice person and he tought us Option selling but i was not that much mature to understand what he was teaching and all greeks went over my head

  • @sachinthakkar1942
    @sachinthakkar1942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome video govind sir & vivek sir, I have one query
    As discussed in Video we can make synthetic future by Buying Call & Selling Put of same strike price, but for the hedge purpose we need to buy one Put also, So equation comes out to be
    Option 1 - Buy Future + Buy Put - Max loss 5%
    Option 2 - Buy Call + Sell Put + Buy Put = Buy only Call
    so in option 2 if mkt moves above 5% in entire year we will be in profit else loss. So here risk is more than reward
    So If I say I need to buy only call and continue with the strategy, so am I right or am I missing something

    • @srtwou
      @srtwou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same doubt from my side as well. Please clarify

    • @PriyadarshanJoshi
      @PriyadarshanJoshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In Option 2...You do Synthetic Futures (Buy CE + Sell PE) on a month to month basis...that is why he referred to the futures carrying cost of 5%. And the Put that you buy for protection - is to be done for December month only. So there is no question of Put Buy and Put Sell cancelling each other. Does that make sense?

    • @PriyadarshanJoshi
      @PriyadarshanJoshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@srtwou In Option 2...You do Synthetic Futures (Buy CE + Sell PE) on a month to month basis...that is why he referred to the futures carrying cost of 5%. And the Put that you buy for protection - is to be done for December month only. So there is no question of Put Buy and Put Sell cancelling each other. Does that make sense?

    • @srtwou
      @srtwou 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PriyadarshanJoshi in video he showed synthetic future for long term...Dec 22.

    • @sachinthakkar1942
      @sachinthakkar1942 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PriyadarshanJoshi makes sense if you are envisaging monthly but it would take much more out of the pocket if considered monthly. Bcoz if Nifty at 17500, CE will be costlier than put

  • @venuchenna
    @venuchenna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought it is going to be exhaustive to sit for one Hour but the knowledge you shared is valuable which has no scale to measure the value.
    Great work govind ji and elearn..

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We appreciate your positive response.
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    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

  • @rathishgangadharan1499
    @rathishgangadharan1499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Excellent f2f with Govind sir with calculated risks easy to understand format.. felt it was "Sambit Patras" younger brother talking on investment

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @setgautam
      @setgautam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@finideas Excellent learning sir... tks... A small query Sir...what i didn't understand is ~ 46:33 min u said to buy put at 6500 and 6000 both. Why? only one put bought @ 6500 could be enough for hedging na?

    • @9783633388
      @9783633388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@setgautam The Nifty was somewhere 6300.....so logically one should go with 6300PE (ATM) but since that might not be liquid so better is to go with 500 multiple strikes. So going with 6500 or 6000 is ok when you are working with single lot, however if you are working with multiple lots better is to go with both 50-50% (by this way you are actually going with ATM strike only)
      This is my understanding......hope this helps

    • @thecookiejarisempty5672
      @thecookiejarisempty5672 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@9783633388 u r right Rohit

    • @kuldeepsinghchauhan4128
      @kuldeepsinghchauhan4128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@9783633388 buying hedge in December is ok but which month future or ATM call & put one has to take. Please clarify, thanks

  • @justwin2988
    @justwin2988 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This Video have most valuable content for Investors, GOLDEN Govind Ji, Thanks for sharing such GREAT gem of Investment concept.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      We just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry nothing else(No Put No Future)
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7.5% per annum and we get approx 6.6 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6 lac - 6.6 lac = 0
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

  • @SuperbExpressions
    @SuperbExpressions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Astonishing Session ❤️
    Thank you sir 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @kamathshailesh
    @kamathshailesh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Respected Sirs,
    Thank you for the wonderful idea.
    I have a couple of questions to better my understanding
    1. By going long in Futures and buying protection(PUT) will make sure that losses in futures will be compensated by gain in Put. However in the example it was explained that when market goes from 12K to 8K the portfolio value will remain 12K and that the equity units will increase. In my understanding, Equity value would be 80Lakhs. However, if one invests the entire amount in ETF then equity units would increase but reducing the costs through safer instruments would not be possible
    2. Similarly in synthetic futures, the put buy and protection put would negate each other leading me to believe that wouldn't just buying the call give a similar(not exactly same) ROI
    Looking forward to your response.
    Again many thanks for the strategy

  • @prabhataryan6898
    @prabhataryan6898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Great idea but needs a lot of clarification with a proper example like which stike price to chosen for buying and selling and of which month for creating synthetic future as the liquidity issue is there with dec expiry options. We also did not understand the idea of collateral margin. Please record one more face to face with Mr. Govind and ask him to clarify the things in more simpler way

    • @skochamu
      @skochamu ปีที่แล้ว

      yes example... is the trick here ... theory tho sab bote hai...

    • @faheemsameer1598
      @faheemsameer1598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I analyzed his strategy with strategy builder. His strategy is nothing but yearly atm option buying. Do you want me to explain??

    • @faheemsameer1598
      @faheemsameer1598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whatever he said can be done with 10 lakhs and rest 90 lakh can be put in debt. Which means he is confusing people by taking a long route and bigger capital.

    • @sudhirthakkar
      @sudhirthakkar ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@faheemsameer1598 You mean call option buying?

    • @faheemsameer1598
      @faheemsameer1598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sudhirthakkar yes. Ultimately that is what is happening. Take for example you are buying December month 18000 CE.
      How will the trade go?
      You will have limited loss only. Unlimited profit end of year. This is plus point of option buying as well as his strategy.
      But the bad thing about it is your breakeven point is shifted 500 point up. So your real breakeven will be 18500.

  • @santoshsingh1061
    @santoshsingh1061 ปีที่แล้ว

    bahut badhiya sir.... bahut kuchh sikhne ko mila

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We are glad you enjoyed our video. We will surely come up with more!
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  • @sudhinbathija4833
    @sudhinbathija4833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How can one do this with one lot? Can we have a step by step video or is it asking for too much? Thanks for the awesome stuff that was shared free, one last doubt as one is buying the Dec put what if say the person passes away then what is the risk could this be shared also? Thanks.

    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1. Protected leverage.
      2. 8-10 % is going to be cost of business. Most suitable for profitable option traders.
      3. At least 1 December shall fall in huge bear market. So minimum 5-10 year required for this strategy to work. Or you get the idea when to cover the future and make new trade. March 2020.
      4. Don't be carried away, actually returns are less. But if you know what is required for proper implementation then it's free money.
      5. We can finance Dec put buy by sell call option of Dec. Covered call. But it will cap our profit on upside.
      6. If you have proper trend following system then if market goes down we can cover few future lot and buy only our system again says uptrend. Little risky if you can't identify the trend. Sell high buy low.
      7. Best thing about this strategy is that we can buy future with confidence.
      8. This strategy will work good if you are efficient in execution and can find cheaper synthetic future otherwise buy a Dec month call. Same results.
      9. Better Alternate to this strategy is that make a Dec month debit call spread. Buy ATM( little OTM) Call option sell far OTM call option. Now you can be little innovative with selling far OTM call option. Also bring buy leg up when it become ITM.
      10. Enjoy

  • @MAGICTOUCH_MUMBAI
    @MAGICTOUCH_MUMBAI 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Paisa kamana hai toh follow and learn from The Marwadi community ...Very nice Strategy, I watch twice this video.... Thanks Vivek Ji and Govind Ji.

  • @MrWebadmn
    @MrWebadmn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is as good as buying a long term CE.. only thing is that it becomes difficult to sell it as a product. Also, not sure how much liquid a long term call would be. But logically thinking it is nothing but buying option alongside blocking your 7-8 lakhs in nifty bees.

    • @danceneonlightsheart2160
      @danceneonlightsheart2160 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly invest 1 Cr in rbi bonds and buy call instead of all this gymnastics. If the market does not move for 4 years either direction..you would be down 20 percent. Am surprised that someone like Vivek is not asking this question.

    • @shukbindersingh9875
      @shukbindersingh9875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah.. in your case, even if the market goes down your quantity would always be the same whereas, here PE profit can be invested back and gett a better average price.

    • @MrWebadmn
      @MrWebadmn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@shukbindersingh9875 if market goes down from 17k to 13k, we would be buying 13000 ATM CE. Automatically your average price will be taken care of. We would be losing only CE amount in case of loss while entire capital will continue to earn interest from wherever it is invested

  • @AmitJoshimumbai
    @AmitJoshimumbai 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its incredible to see how the clouds were shifting behind Vivek ji's back!!

  • @manutripathi9682
    @manutripathi9682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think this is the most valuable content for retailers on e-learn platform. Thank you Vivek ji for bringing such type of content. Real jem for retail trader's

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @laxsri
      @laxsri 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 Really is this so simple, hard to believe 🙂

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@laxsri yeah its simple but hard to believe bcz of our mindsets

    • @ghosejoy
      @ghosejoy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 You are damn right. A simple thing has been complicated.
      One caveat.
      F&O should be used as a minimum due to taxation.
      For example at 30% tax bracket, the protection should be 42% higher to compensate the portfolio loss fully. This will increase the put cost from 5% to 7%. This 2% compounding loss over long term of 20 years will be devastating.
      If we use synthetic futures all.the gains will be 30%less. On a good year 15% return will reduce to 9.5%.
      I feel the best choice is a balance of investing in a portfolio and take a long term insurance of ATM put for 3 years at 7% cost including 30% tax. This is cheap. Buy and forget. At 2.5 % cost per year you have a peace of mind for 3 years. If there is a disaster in the country you can cash out at 93% of your portfolio. If not then at 15% compounding you will get a 40% growth in nifty portfolio.
      As a variation, we can intead of nifty have a large cap stock portfolio giving better return. Buy a nifty equivalent unit. Due high portfolio beta, the nifty units required will be higher...Approx 3% per year.
      So simple solution is 91% money in portfolio. 9 % towards cost of option. Forget for 3 years.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ghosejoy This strategy won't work with large capital bcz of liquidity issues in yearly expiries.....So no need to worry about 42% taxes......if still hv any query jst visit my Profile by clicking on DP , I shared a detailed presentation there on this strategy

  • @yamarthykrishnamohan5682
    @yamarthykrishnamohan5682 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent. what innovation. indian r pure genius in making money

  • @vipulkarde6973
    @vipulkarde6973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i watched this twice and got really impressed with the simplicity and potential of creating wealth from the concept. It would be really nice if it can be demonstrated exactly which option combinations are to be entered into so that risk is confined to around 5 %. For eg. if we enter into a synthetic future of say 18000 for dec (current margin req. for 1 lot is around 1.5 L) and uprfront investment for call buy is 31 K. so I need to consider 5% of which value ... kindly clarify for my silly doubt. thanks once again.

    • @lumavision4657
      @lumavision4657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Vipul, liked the entire strategy on paper. But there are few questions and confusions when it comes to put it into actual trades. Would have been great if he would have given examples with actual strikes and actual trades.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      We just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry nothing else(No Put No Future)
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7.5% per annum and we get approx 6.6 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6 lac - 6.6 lac = 0
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @mathewnv9630
      @mathewnv9630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nitingarg94 Hi Nitin, i have one doubt, if market move down and closes the year say at 16000,CE will expire worthless and our ETF will show the drawdown no?

    • @sandippatel3680
      @sandippatel3680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mathewnv9630 No need to buy ETF here. Only call buy.

  • @cute_dogs_7594
    @cute_dogs_7594 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful sir ji!
    Bahut kuch naya seekhne ko mila h is video se
    Thank you sir ji

  • @harsh8660
    @harsh8660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a session seriously i am amazed hats off to vivek ji and his guest ❤️

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you.

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We appreciate your comment and we would love to hear more from you.
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    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bhai thoda aur study karo. call option buy toh karke dekho. Aur jab tum synthetic future banaoge toh sab samjh aa jayega. put se put kat jageya aur tum kewal call option buyer ho.

    • @prasadkale232
      @prasadkale232 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrVikasingh1210 if you create insurance and synthetic future at same strike and same expiry then it will nullifying puts , but at different expiry it will work as per strategy .

    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@prasadkale232 Sir aap opstra mein December month ka CE option buy karo. Then calculate the price of doing the future forwarding( approx 5%) aapko December ka call option bhi 5% premium par milega. Request you to do the back testing you will understand.
      Sir below this you can read if you want else.....
      1. Protected leverage.
      2. 8-10 % is going to be cost of business. Most suitable for profitable option traders.
      3. At least 1 December shall fall in huge bear market. So minimum 5-10 year required for this strategy to work. Or you get the idea when to cover the future and make new trade. March 2020.
      4. Don't be carried away, actually returns are less. But if you know what is required for proper implementation then it's free money.
      5. We can finance Dec put buy by sell call option of Dec. Covered call. But it will cap our profit on upside.
      6. If you have proper trend following system then if market goes down we can cover few future lot and buy only our system again says uptrend. Little risky if you can't identify the trend. Sell high buy low.
      7. Best thing about this strategy is that we can buy future with confidence.
      8. This strategy will work good if you are efficient in execution and can find cheaper synthetic future otherwise buy a Dec month call. Same results.
      9. Better Alternate to this strategy is that make a Dec month debit call spread. Buy ATM( little OTM) Call option sell far OTM call option. Now you can be little innovative with selling far OTM call option. Also bring buy leg up when it become ITM.
      10. Enjoy

  • @parveendhingra4748
    @parveendhingra4748 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of best knowledge video on internet. Still thinking how to implement practically in my portfolios

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We are glad you enjoyed our video. We will surely come up with more!
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  • @ErSagarArora
    @ErSagarArora 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Correct me if i m wrong...but y not just buy a long term call option and chill....i think it turns out to b the same thing....
    Long Fut+ long put = long call ......i guess...

    • @finideas
      @finideas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is correct. But buying Futures and Buying Puts are giving you an extra edge to shift the trades at lower cost. That means..... many times we get the chance to shift the Futures from one maturity to next maturity at lower cost and same is the case with Puts too. But when we trade in Calls, you don't get that option to reduce the cost.

  • @vyankateshgullapalli849
    @vyankateshgullapalli849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much Govind sir! Hats off to you!
    Today, I have learned the Unique and Rare things that nobody wants to share with small retailers.
    God bless both of you, Govind Ji and Vivek Ji!

  • @amolgupta8894
    @amolgupta8894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It is better to
    -use long call instead of puts plus synthetic future.
    -roll options early and save theta cost.

  • @sunilshah321
    @sunilshah321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vivekji this is amazing, understanding of synthetic Option great learning appreciate

  • @legosbuildersbydsshorts7217
    @legosbuildersbydsshorts7217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great content and Knowledge Govind Ji. Thanks Vivek Ji for bringing such persons near to retail participants. Future Hedge with Insurance leads you to Great wealth..

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Strategy is good but this strategy can be done with almost No loss and No drawdown very easily instead of all this complex things.
      Let's understand with an example
      Considering Nifty @ 18000 on 31st Dec 2021
      Now we just have to buy Nifty 18000 CE Dec 2022 Expiry
      Now suppose 18000 CE premium is around 1200 points
      So If we want to buy 1 crore worth of quantity thn we have to buy (1cr/18k) = 555 quantity
      So our cost of buying this call of 550 quantity ( bcz Nifty lot is in multiple of 50) is 1200* 550 = 660000 Rs
      Now we have approx 93 lakh rs left with us
      Now put this 93 lakh in debt fund @ 7% per annum and we get approx 6.5 lac return from Debt Funds
      So now our Risk on Overall 1 crore equity and 93 lakh debt fund portfolio is 6.6lac - 6.5 lac = 10k only
      And now when Nifty moves above 18000 we will be in profit with no loss and no drawdown of our portfolio
      Be simple 😀

    • @srinimd
      @srinimd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nitingarg94 your idea is good , do you mean to say 550/50 = 11 lots . If you plan to invest in entire balance 93% in debt / bonds then you need not waste this 7 % as your capital is already protected. so in my opinion this is useful only when you have exposure to capital market where the capital is stake at any point of time.

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@srinimd I think u misunderstood something
      Yeah we buy Nifty call 550 (11 lot) quantities worth of 1 crore
      So tell me how my capital is protected if market closes below 18000 at the year end
      In that case my entire premium of 11 lots around 6-7 lakhs will be zero.....so to cover that loss i suggested put balance fund into safe GOVT/RBI bonds where capital is never on risk
      We can also put this balance fund in Nifty ETF for CAGR 12-14% but thn we hv to finance next year premium of 11 lot from our own if market closes below our levels at the end of year

  • @rmshcha
    @rmshcha ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's a eye opening concept 👌🏻
    Memorable session 👌🏻
    Thank you 🙏

  • @SiddhusHotel
    @SiddhusHotel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can guaranty this is excellent strategy ,
    But Didn't understand ,
    Though I'll watch this few times more 😂😂😂

  • @vinayjoshii
    @vinayjoshii ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing concept. Might underperform on good days but definitely will beat the market. But, why is Govind sir spending money (youtube ads, dedicated website etc) to take the strategy to everyone??

  • @kapilkhanpara9759
    @kapilkhanpara9759 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Sir...need more clarity in 1 carore calculation...so plz explain it in quantity or lot wise... Otherwise such a beautiful strategy will be massed up unknowingly...plz update the quantity details based on any figure on twitter...plzzz🙏

    • @nitingarg94
      @nitingarg94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can explain you all the figures in simple manner
      Jst visit my video on my channel to connect me

    • @MOHITSHARMADELHI
      @MOHITSHARMADELHI 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did anyone answer this??

    • @kapilkhanpara9759
      @kapilkhanpara9759 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      no I think

    • @POFPFNB
      @POFPFNB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      30 Lakhs for ETF
      1 Lot of nifty around 9 Lakh
      So in 70 lakh we can buy 8 Lots
      And margin of these lots is around 9 Lakh, which can be adjusted against stocks pledged
      So total 30 lakh stock + 70 lakh nifty = 1 Crore

    • @abhishekarya82
      @abhishekarya82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@POFPFNB plus five lacs for buying put options as protection

  • @arunkrishnamurthy9651
    @arunkrishnamurthy9651 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the wonderful concept no body will teach in free. Thanks Govind Sir and Vivek Sir.. Beautiful concept..

    • @Elearnmarkets
      @Elearnmarkets  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi,
      We appreciate your positive response.
      Also, we are coming up with more such learning experiences for our learners, so that they can gain more knowledge. You can have a look here- sedg.in/jv8qkf49

  • @bvikas
    @bvikas ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For Power Booster Strategy - If we use Synthetic Futures of Dec 23 (Sell Nifty Dec 23 PE, Buy Nifty Dec 23 CE) and then add protection (Buy Nifty Dec 23 PE); the net effect of the Strategy comes as buying Nifty Dec 23 CE at the current strike price. Can anyone help me understand what I missed here?

    • @adiab9984
      @adiab9984 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what I also pondered on!! Would be great if vivekji or govindji can throw some light here

    • @emlbasant
      @emlbasant ปีที่แล้ว

      Mai bhi isi bat pe confuse hu

  • @sabsebadarupaiyya2402
    @sabsebadarupaiyya2402 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Financing cost needs to be verified. At present nifty is at 22040 and Nifty March Future is at 22235. That is 195 points higher. But in the video, govind ji has said that it will be 30-60 points per month

  • @karnikkaushal2017
    @karnikkaushal2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sir, broker charges 0.05% per day for overnight positions on the margin we use as collateral i.e 18% per annum on collateral margin.
    What is the solution?

    • @harshsodhani
      @harshsodhani 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This must be replied

    • @jeevanreddy6186
      @jeevanreddy6186 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Change broker... new age broking firms Don't charge

    • @karnikkaushal2017
      @karnikkaushal2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jeevanreddy6186 please mention some?

  • @rajeshrksharma0669
    @rajeshrksharma0669 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Govindji ,really you have given wonderful planning for investment, Hat's off vivekji for choosing the gem of the market.

  • @LearnTradeGain
    @LearnTradeGain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I had a doubt. We are doing monthly synthetic futures. If nifty goes down for 4 months, we need to pay the loss every month. Yes ofcourse MTM will not occur on daily basis, but we need to pay it on monthly basis if nifty comes down. Because protection put will give us profit after an year. But we need to pay on monthly basis if nifty goes down. Please correct me if I am wrong

    • @raghu9847
      @raghu9847 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why I think we need to keep 30% Niftybee in collateral

    • @abhishekpandey7489
      @abhishekpandey7489 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Option buy ka premium khatam hoga cash kyu bharna hoga

    • @bahubalidongare8831
      @bahubalidongare8831 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Instead do call selling.

    • @maheshpatel3073
      @maheshpatel3073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same confusion here too

    • @amitupadhye5813
      @amitupadhye5813 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When the market falls won't you rollover to lower strike with lower premium? Because overall synthetic future cost would come down as well?

  • @virajgada707
    @virajgada707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Zerodha charges an interest when a delivery is taken on F&O positions and the interest is pretty high. Below is a para from their website.
    When using collateral margin to trade F&O, the shareholder needs to have 50% of the margin requirement in cash or cash equivalents. If not, interest at 0.035% per day will be charged on the cash component funded by Zerodha.

    • @parakhrishabh
      @parakhrishabh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, but zerodha may not be a viable option.. they are known to restrict long term options

    • @naveenblr86
      @naveenblr86 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @rishab - any idea which broker provide long term options to buy

    • @latesh_kaknani
      @latesh_kaknani 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@naveenblr86 same question bro.. Which broker allowing ?

    • @parakhrishabh
      @parakhrishabh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do it through IIFL.. i am sure there are more..

  • @hulagunner
    @hulagunner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing. mind blowing stuff. I am an active trader and investor since 6 years, but never thought of this angle of invstmnt.

    • @MrVikasingh1210
      @MrVikasingh1210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bhaiya call kabhi buy nahi kiya kya? Dec call buy karo aur same results pao.

  • @bittusethi5198
    @bittusethi5198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hi, instead of buying future and sell PE, why can't just buy CE, it has almost similar payoff diagram and benefit of this is to put around 80L in debit fund instead of 70L. Or to save carry forward cost, sell very far ITM PE instead of buy future.

    • @navneetgupta7323
      @navneetgupta7323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In future, if market is at same point, you loose nothing, but if you buy 2 CE lots, you will loose whole premium, but if you buy CE and sell pe, you will loose nothing... Also check delta... It should be 1, which is not in this case....

    • @pg1977
      @pg1977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every month your theta will erode all profit if u don't sell a put...

    • @bittusethi5198
      @bittusethi5198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@navneetgupta7323 why we will buy 2 CE, instead of buy future and buy PE, buy only one CE, it has same payoff.

    • @bittusethi5198
      @bittusethi5198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pg1977 payoff of buy one CE or buy PE + future will be the same. So no difference