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00:00 - Start
00:41 - Support ya boy
00:56 - Setting up Looper
01:50 - Basic Controls
02:43 - Secondary control options
04:54 - Button Controls
05:42 - Recording a loop
07:26 - Undo/Redo
08:01 - Bounce to pad
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Feedback works exactly the same way a delay's feedback setting works. Just imagine it's a delay, but the length of the delay is the length of the looper. If you set feedback to any number under 100, the loop will fade out a little each time it plays. New sounds you play into the loop will take their place and also fade out over time.
Thanks a lot for the explanation! 🙏
Yes, thank you homie.
Looper is great for transitions when playing live other instruments.
In my case :
1. I start playing a pattern on the digitact
2. Record on the SP looper the last 4 or 2 bars
3. Stop playing the Digitakt or lower the volume
4. While the looper on the SP plays I start playing another pattern on the DT with volume lowered by one or more elements and then raising it
5. Delete loop on SP and continue playing on Digitakt
What’s the use of SP if you have a digitact
@@betweenwonders1819
A looper?
Effects?
Stereo samples if not a digitakt 2?
being able to bounce to the pad is what i’ve always wanted out of pattern mode. great update
They added this in update 3.0. Make sure you've updated but then when in pattern select screen, press copy, select pattern, press pattern select to leave pattern mode, and select pad to copy to, then hit copy again and it will bounce that pattern to the pad
A really important aspect of the looper that not many people are thinking about - you don't have to think linear anymore. In other words, creating a loop that has no definitive or has a more ambiguous start and end time. One can think of samples as circular - where there doesn't have to be a definitive start and end. For example, you can bring in a sustained note at the "end" part of a sample and wrap it back until the "start". Or you can record a silent loop and start adding synth and efx patches, pads, random notes....at any point in the cycle creating a loop that, as I said, has no definitive start and end time.
Definitely! I think it would be nice to have the option to turn that off though. It can be a problem when trying to lay down a loop of chops in a mute group, as the end of the loop doesn't cut the last sample. I've resorted to sampling silence and putting that in the mute group and hitting it at the end of the loop.
This thing is just so feature packed at the moment. I hope Roland just does a giant bug fix update in a while since There are quite a few bugs that need resolving still and new ones. That would make me enjoy the instrument sooo much more!
3:00 You can use the bus FX all you want, but when you're overdubbing it's applying the FX to everything. You're working directly with the loop buffer, so if you turn on filter/drive it's going to start driving the buffer. If there's already something in the buffer you're going to get a dramatic gated effect if you don't time it perfectly with the length of the buffer. And if you don't shut it off after a single loop it'll degrade the buffer really bad on the 2nd pass. Because you're working on the buffer directly. That's why bouncing to a pad is so fast. Because you're not actually doing anything. Everything is modifying the buffer in realtime, and when you bounce to a different pad you're just copying the buffer.
Awesome video my guy. Thanks for this tutorial!
Well-done!
Nice video man. I will definetly come back to it.👍
I tried this new feature with my Behringer Pro vs Mini. So much fun. Very helpful video.
Love your work bro
🙏🙏🙏
Nice tutorial. Thank you.
np 🙌
I haven't tried any of this yet as I'm still learning my way around the unit. I got it in January but don't really get enough time to practice on it but the looper feature looks very useful.
I'm really considering the J6 too as I know very little when it comes to chords and after having a play on one in a store I found it quite inspiring.
The J6 is a lot of fun and some of the synth sounds in it are very powerful!
Thanks SPVidz. I need to do the update once I get back from being out of town. Bummer that you can't apply effects in real-time to the loop. I was looking at getting a 505 just for the loop capture function so glad this update came.
Great tutorial fam, and I started using Looper yesterday with my OP-1 Field, and I love it!! I knew the bare bones basics, but I appreciate you breaking down all the little helpful things, thank you homie!!🙏🏾✊🏾💚
Nice man, glad you're having fun with it
Ive watched this video 10+ times. So helpful.
Glad to hear that 🙌
I believe it prints with your bus3/4 settings. So you're running the print through the fx of bus 3/4 again... causing the distortion.
Thank you for video
np 🔥
you are a legend
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I create a hihat loop or a sample loop in the right bpm and start with this. So you don’t need the metronome. I know in the settings you can rout the click on your headphones only but this way you can start with a nice loop and go on with all the other sounds.
Mute sample pads doesn’t work at the end of the loop. When the last chop is longer than the bar it will play overlab with the one of the loop (obvious because you don’t hit the next pad to cut it of like you have in the sequencer). I solved that by setting the last ssmple chop to gate. The rest of the samples can cut each other of.
I have had the same issue. I solved it by sampling silence and putting that pad in the mute group - then you just hit it at the end of the loop 👍
thanks
works great with my sh-4d
thanks as always bro! am I right in thinking the difference between looper and pattern mode is with looper you can switch between and record internal and external sounds more seamlessly?
Hi friend!! Remember you thought SP-404mkII couldn't surprise you anymore and that is was stuck? :D we're so happy with 404 update!! love your videos man! kudos
Its cool they've been able to get more stuff in this box but other points I raised in that video I still stand by. The amount of key combinations that we need now is becoming a little overwhelming and I've found it can often disrupt the creative flow. The loop is a nice addition though yes!
neato!
I would have never figured out the undo redo. That's huge thanks again Bruh.
Glad to help bro! 🙌
@@spvidz also I appreciate that you paused the looper while you explained what was happening. I will play back certain parts of the video to see how you did button combinations etc.
Glad that helped you out 👊
just here to say that being able to use SUB PAD for tap tempo in this mode would be wicked
Thank you for that exaustive video
Great video bro and learning a lot since yesterday. Thought i make a beat but was so blown away by all the features and settings that i took me hours to get things done but its slowly getting there! I know, its not related to the video but do you know if the stock sounds will revert back when doing a system reset? Or do i need to backup the project first in order to restore the stock sounds later on? Because now im scared to record over them :(
I’m not sure about that. I assume they would come back if you factory reset but could be wrong. I’d definitely back them up just in case!
i didnt even realize it had a looper, holy shit
A person could quickly build a whole song with the looper. Just save the different parts of the song to separate pads. You could even try out different arrangements this way...a great sketch pad!
I really like RC505 (wish they had a portable one!) Is there a way to use the 404 looper like that? (Keep everything going, record other MIDI sync devices without stopping?)
I was loving this but now for some reason I get a lag and it doesn’t trigger after playing notes but then after a few seconds it will get a signal and trigger
would be nice to be able to bounce stems of overdubbed loops to separate pads...
This 100%. Overdub is great but separate pads would have been a game changer
Nice kit, Is it from one of your drum packs?
I think these sounds are from one which I'm currently building. It should be out soon :)
What about [SHIFT] + [COPY] to export ONLY the overdubbed signal.
Would that not be a total game changer and insane way to quickly make variations + to have the possibility to process your loop further?
Two things: 1. I think you need to just adjust the level of the kick drum "layer" to stop clipping, since each "layer" will be adding gain to the overall signal. 2. Great tutorial, but you forgot to mention that once your loop is all done AND playing inside the Looper, you can use Ctrl 1 to loop certain bars of the loop in real-time.
Thanks bro I'll have to check that out
Does the looper work without metronome and without being locked to a BPM? I am really hoping to loop something without stopping the flow of what I’m playing, especially when jamming. Otherwise… why not just record in pattern mode?
It can be done without a metronome, and if you set the length to free it can be free of bpm. Just for about 16 seconds though.
Sweet demo, can you record using looper mode over USB C into the looper if you have the SP 404 selected as a audio interface for example if you are in Ableton? In this case would you need EXT Source selected. Im new to the 404 so still learning!
Ive not tried that so cant confirm but it sounds like something that should work fine as long as you have EXT IN turned on 👍
@@spvidz I sorted it now my audio routing was out due to combining my 404 as combined interface with my Blender dropped down to just the 404 and all working now which is sweet cheers for the tutorial.
Hello fellow SP users. Encountered another bug. When I go back to SBS from the Loop function my SBS doesnt work anymore 🤔. Will do a factory reset myself as stated in this video. see if that works. Great work @spvids 🤜🤛
Hmm I've just tried and its working ok when I switch back on mine. Did you reboot the machine? If that doesn't fix it then I'd go through the usual steps. Reinstall 4.04 and if not > system data reset, then full reset 👍
will it midi out the clock or will it take an external midi clock to time the loops?
I used the new looper feature... recorded a loop and then copied it to an empty pad. Jumped out of loop mode onto the pad i copied the loop to but i have significant volume loss on that pad when i play it/hit it. And not just that specific pad, but tried this with other empty pads, same result. All other pads with sound already pre loaded from factory are at loud level when i play them, however when i press delete button, then the pad in question i copied the loop to, the volume is at the loudness level i wanted it to be originally, just cant understand why its not as loud when i exit delete button and back in normal play mode. My settings on the original loop feature is at 127 level, feedback 100%, play rate 100%, BUS looper, Routing MIX. Anyone else experience this? What am i missing.
Maybe this is a dumb conclusion but it seems like Pattern/Project BPM is not linked to Looper BPM, and that once using the Looper you cannot change the BPM via Tap Tempo. Is there a way to change this? I'd like to manually tap in tempo changes rather than adjust via the knob so I never have to stop looping... Maybe the box just doesn't do this. Strange that it doesn't because you COULD do this with the OG 404 Delay Loop technique... I'm so sad Roland seems to have completely killed that old trick...
How would you go about creating multiple loops like a loop station? I.e you can hear the audio playing on the pads whilst you record another loop using sounds on the sp404 - I've tried it and it picks up the pads that are looping due to being in mix mode and not external mode. Is there a way around this? I have an RC505 aswell and wondering if i can ditch it and only use the SP404. I want to record instruments through the sp404 like i would the rc 505 if its even possible. Any idea?
From what I can tell its just not that powerful. I'd keep the 505
So cool, I just wish it could be reversed on the fly, also sped up or slowed down like in the DL4
In the sp it can be slowed but can't stay like that while redubing, sadly :(
Hopefully they do updates at some point. I think the looper could become really powerful
just a question, how may I quantize?
Hello! Sorry for my english.
I am trust you, good content video.
I have sp404mk2. Not live play. In the home studio.
Want change to something
What you choose?
Circuit rhythm, Blackbox, Digitakt or ..
MPC one, Circuit Rhythm, PO-33 MK2. Lots of options at the moment...!
Change it for what reason? What are you missing from your current hardware? Or do you just want to add something? Because a nice synth would match a sampler pretty good.
@@TheChameleon2008 1. interesting something new
2. sp404 update version is good, but have a reboot, problem
blackbox, digitakt have samples work, lfo..
circuit have good sequencer
Okay, for me to undo its shift-delete-pattern select
hi! do you know why my recorded loops are so much quieter than the playback of loop? once i copy it to a pad it is quiet
Same problem for me... I just posted my comment about it. Any resolution you were able to find out?
The looper is better than the mpc
Controversial 😁
Good that Roland is spamming with cool updates.
Good time for music gear. Novation, Elektron, Akai, even Arturia are spamming with updates, even for older gear.
the hardware game is strong at the moment. Long may it continue!
Undo feature not working, is this just me ?
Aah! So it seems the recording buffer is also used for the undo / redo and overdubbing feature. Maybe they could make that one optional in system settings, that way it would double the recording time for the Looper. If that would be possible I would definitely go with that option, because undo doesn’t seem to be very useful in a live mixing situation (like mentioned in the other comment on changing projects with for instance the Digitakt or other external devices). Because for creating patterns or bounced samples I prefer the already available options including Skip Back. And, besides that the Looper is a great and very welcome feature, I can’t see why they didn’t at it is an option to the record settings for Sampling instead of another button combo. The default for that could also be added to system settings.
Ps. and thanks 🙏🏻 again for another nice explainer video 😊
@BKDTR explored the looper on his channel, too. A discussion there made me look a little different to the overdubbing feature (would still prefer it as an option). The fact that it can be used as a ‘sample-based’ delay when keeping overdubbing activated and a lower feedback setting will gradually lower the volume on each cycle. This would become even more useful as an FX Looper… need to give that one a try. And in that case leaving the busses 3 and 4 activated shouldn’t always be a problem… 🤔
I have a question, isn't Looper the same thing as Pattern ?
Its similar but not identical. For example the looper doesn't quantise. Its just another way of getting ideas down really
DJ mode sucks. Definitely not usable for real DJ-ing. But the looper makes it a lot more useful for DJs! I like programming drum machines and sequencers. It feels weird trying to program patterns in the 404. But when you're just using the 404 like normal, the way it deals with BPM makes it a pain in the ass to use with any other gear. The looper is perfect, though. It makes the 404 much less of a MIDI nightmare.
Yea Dj mode is trash I just end up putting entire songs on pads and using fx to transition between songs
Do you think we should do a factory reset?
If you are having issues it could well help yes
Roland did recommend a factory reset for this update. Seen a bunch of folks on Reddit have had their bugs sorted by restoring and then updating. It'll be a ballache for anybody that has fx parameters set up but might be worth doing just to be safe
Appreciate all the content, but please dont fall for the idiotic cringy thumbnail game man 😢 A lot of channels have lost their credibility in this way, well to me at least. I always feel like an idiot if i click on those thumbnails 😅
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yo sp vidz !! Awesome video thanks so much !! Do you think you could contact roland and ask them if they can make the looper at least 16 bars? If they can do that i can make full beats by doubling the 16 bar pattern twice to 32 bars to make a full beat. I'll try to contact them but im not sure if you're in contact with them at all.
Hey bro, I don't really have that kind of connection atm, I usually just help out when they release the updates. I'm sure there are going to be some updates to the looper in the future. I feel like it has a lot of potential and this is just a starting point!