When Inane Creeps Attack Actors For Something A Fictional Character Did (The Jimquisition)
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Because the world of videogames can't stop drowning in gasoline for one hot minute, we've got to talk about the "Gamers" who spend less time playing games than they do finding people to attack and threaten online.
Do they even play games, or is this their whole life? Either way, a gaggle of idiots is currently harassing voice actor Laura Bailey for something she didn't do. She literally didn't do it, her character did, and she's getting the blame.
Why are they going after her? Why are they so incredibly pathetic? Why do people who claim not to hate women behave exactly like people who hate women? And what have "AAA" publishers done to curb the hate in their own communities? Sigh... let's talk about it.
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Throws the slur TERF at someone and then provides a slur warning countdown up for something else? What gives, Jim?
Silence, TERF.
FOUND THE TERF
Terf isn't a slur.
TERF is a slur as much as calling someone an apple is. So go TERF somewhere else, TERF.
@@JimSterling Delicious. TERF isn't a slur, it's an accurate description. Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist is about the mildest thing a transphobe should expect to be called.
I swear, real life actors who actually murder someone in real life are treated better then actors who fake-murder a fictional character people liked
.....I wish you were wrong, but Mathew Broderick did kill someone in a hit and run, and Ferris Bueller was just such an endearing movie that the press just swept the whole thing under the rug.
Heck no kidding. People will blindly defend celebrities they think they know simply because they idolize them
@@Vojou345 okaaay but that doesn't mean to go and harass and hurt actors who are just playing a role. Are you trying to say it's okay to go and punch the kid that played as Joffree from game of thrones bc he played a bad person, and that we shouldn't idolize them?
@@mc_zittrer8793 I never saw the appeal of Ferris Bueller, that character always seemed like a sociopath to me. Somehow the actor who played him getting off on a hit and run kinda fits.
@@scottthewaterwarrior I barely saw snippets of the movie, myself. He just seemed like a smug, punchable dildo. Incidentally that was the only time he pretended to be charming and charismatic on screen, so I guess nobody else saw him as a bad boy either.
It boggles the mind. As someone who follows Laura Bailey in her D&D campaign, you can see what a wonderful, funny, sincere and caring person she is, the fact that people see her portrayal of a FICTIONAL character as reason to send her, and even worse, her child, death threats.. how lonely and estranged of the world do you need to be to view the world this way?
She's great in Critical Role, so's Ashley Johnson, they're all lovely! Always great when she appeared on Geek and Sundry's tabletop (blinking loved that series). It felt really hard hearing how she'd got so much hate.
@@Hoopla10 fucking*
fixed the needless censor for ya
Who sent her the threats? is their identity known? Call me cynical but sjws do this shit all the time to keep the victim narrative fresh and the ' Everyone's an evil bigot" thing going. Especially if its coming from that pig Druckman. Don't trust it and I don't care. I think its a set up for sympathy and if it isn't I would like to know who is sending the threats. I bet its either a blue haired land whale or some pathetic manlet.;
@@onefortheroad6186 there were plenty of receipts m8.
@@TowerArcanaCrow Oh? Show em.
Stephen King wrote a novel about fan obsession gone too far, Misery. It's scary how many of these types of fans actually exist and reflect the antagonist in that novel. I never understood getting so worked up about fiction to the point of making threats or actually attacking people over it.
ZafVirex I wish there was a way to deal with these lunatics... but I can’t think of any that don’t push ethical boundaries.
Same, I love fiction and love getting invested in characters and felt Joel was done a little dirty, but threatening people over this stuff is going way too far.
@@juliagoodwin3461 same way dude dealt with chick in Misery. ;)
I think Misery, as in both the book and the film adaptation, might have predicted an increased awareness of fandom obsessions too.
i have a hot take abt this:
the “cancel culture” a lot of people complain about (but is an actual problem in smaller more marginalized circles i.e. contrapoints or like the way people lose their minds over literally teenaged minecraft streamers) and stan cultures are the same thing.
them, the “omg how dare you criticize a corporation, kill yourself” bootlickers, the people who threaten voice actresses for their characters’ actions, all of these freaks are just different repackagings of annie wilkes. they’re all cut from the same deranged cloth.
I've been writing to David Hayter for years about his war crimes but he hasn't returned any of my phone calls.
Was he, perchance, hiding under a cardboard box?
Well there's your problem right there, yo're supposed have them write back to you before getting a phone call.
His codec should be 141.80 if you want to reach him directly.
You weren't using the right codec frequency.
dear david, I wrote you but still ain't callin'
Sending stuff to a VA for something their character did is the equivalent of a Karen shouting at a cashier because the store doesn't have a special offer on a product anymore
Someone threatening Laura's son makes me doubly angry, because not only are they threatening a literal toddler, but they also know enough about Laura to know she has a son but are still so disconnected from reality to write something like that
And what if they're not so disconected? What if they mean exactly what they say and plan accordingly? That's what scares me.
Looovvve your profile pic. Also, I agree. It reminds me of those villians who come after the offspring of someone who did something to them or was inadvertently responsible for something they deserved (i.e stopping the from taking over the world, e.t.c.) or nothing at all.
I kind of feel like there'd be a queue to join to beat the ass of whatever moron tried to hurt Ronin. That child is surrounded by so much love it's amazing.
@@freddogrosso9835 Which is exactly why people who make these threats shouldn't be ignored or passed off as 'making a joke' or whatever. Most of them may be sad, pathetic losers but all it takes is one to be genuinely disturbed and act on it.
@@freddogrosso9835 Meaning what they say, doesn't make them any less disconnected, if anything it makes the argument stronger.
The dude that played joffery deserves a high five and an oscar for doing such a good job potraying that monster.
I'm not sure why, but Iwan Rheon seemed to be overlooked as Ramsay Bolton. As awful a bastard as any you'll find in GOT, and the internet hated the character's guts, but he was actually a favourite in my viewing group for how hammy and irredeemably evil he was in the Emperor Palpatine mold.
In any case, I agree about Jack Gleason as Joffrey. Truly hateable character, but the actor did a great. All the more better considering child actors can often go one way or the other.
I usually cite Gleason's Joffrey as my favorite character from GoT, mainly because he felt the most like a "real" person to me. There were actors in the show I liked watching just as much and characters I found just as interesting, but Joffrey Baratheon was exactly like a few people I've met - just with more power. Jack Gleason did a fantastic job playing him.
Actually, I'd say "my favorite character" isn't right; my favorite performance is more like it.
Jofree may be an absolute twat, but Jack is good at being one.
Every GOT actor who worked with him said he was the exact opposite of his character, which means that’s some damn good acting
On a game I worked on 8 years ago. The was a female level designer intern, I don't even think she got paid for her 3 month internship and her last name started with an A, you know, first letter of the alphabet. At that studio, there were too many ego problems and politics about the credits, so they decided that it was just "Studio Name Team" followed by everybody's name in alphabetic order (you know where I'm going with it).
So one moron who didn't like our game, decided to track her down and harass her on facebook, threaten her and call her horrible things, because she was the first name on the list and was a woman. She did a 3 month level design internship... she probably placed collectibles and shit for 3 months, leave her alone you moron.
Some people are just too stupid to be allowed to live. Hope she’s ok
That guy should be watched over a very long time you all work so very hard to produce art only to have some (FANATIC) track you down and condemn your work. There’s a Song, country song by Billy Currington beer is good God is great and (PEOPLE ARE CRAZY). Every time I hear a story like this.
Jesus Christ, women already have to look out for inane creeps from INSIDE their own studios they don't need them from the outside too
Some people....
Veer Pal they exist.
Least we forget about Jake Lloyd and his admission to a mental institution, Ahmed Best's attempted suicide, and Kelly Marie Tran leaving social media and seeking psychiatric help to deal with the abuse she received.
Jake Lloyd is not Anakin Skywalker. Ahmed Best is no Jar Jar Binks. Kelly Marie Tran is not Rose Tico. They're actors who were excited to be a part of Star Wars and who fans mercilessly abused over the portrayal of their characters. If you had any problem with these three actors for their CHARACTERS' portrayal, please get the hell out of my fandom.
Ahmed, yes. But I wouldnt use Lloyd as an example. I've already went over 300 comments deep months ago explaining that what happened to Lloyd had very little to do with people's reception of Star Wars and more to do with his mom and George Lucas being actual psychos.
The insanity is something else. Hell they didn't even have creative control over the characters. Death threats and more are just wrong.
Now that said.. harsh criticism can be given to this that did have it though.
I can't even comprehend the deluded mindset someone would have to have in order to feel justified in the ceaseless bullying and making of personal threats against an actor over a role in a movie or game they didn't like. It's just beyond me.
Ahmed Best considered suicide, did not attempt it. Jake Lloyd was admitted to a psychiatric hospital because he has been diagnosed and had problems with paranoid schizophrenia. There is no need to reach when the facts alone speak for themselves and there are tons of cases already.
Harassment is wrong. Gate keeping is also wrong. It's not your fandom. Don't stoop to their level.
If only they had the same energy towards micro-transactions and other aggressive monetized content....
Hear _fucking, hear._
"But games are too expensive, and they need money or games will go away" yes they're idiots who think that
Same energy, minus the death threaths i hope
How do you know they dont?
Or how about REAL LIFE ISSUES...
Jim: "zombies are not real"
Me: "of course they aren't, people are soooo stupid..."
Jim: "street sharks aren't real too"
Me: "take that back TAKE THAT BACK!"
They're still real to me dame it!
That was a bridge too far, even for Jim.
I had to rewind that part cause I didn't believe he would say that.
I learned the sad truth at a young age. Turtles too. We only have the Biker Mice from Mars to protect us.
That wasn't very jawesome of him.
This reminds me of when Anna Gunn was getting death threats for Skyler's actions on Breaking Bad. Not only were the character's actions written in an extremely understandable and human way, but...christ...IT'S. FICTION.
Walter would treat her like dog shit and people would be like "why is she so mad?!"
In other words, certain people do think Reality is Unrealistic, without knowing its actual limits.
Exactly it's not in anna gun's fault, it's Vince Gilligan's take it up with him... like at best, split your ammunition between Vince and maybe the scripty... after all whoever that fuck was they had a chance to stop it, and did nothing. So aren't they equally at fault? Perhaps if not equally which is not entirely fair... like at least 20%, like you know the electoral college, except usually a scripty actually catches things... cuz that's like that one specific important job.
Okay and all fairness I could flush out this analogy a little bit more and make it work but, hopefully y'all get the point enough.
misogynists hate real women for what… fake women "do". e.g. Skyler's actor getting harassed. e.g. incels telling each other how bad the made-up women in their heads are.
skylar was literally my favorite character in the whole show and it genuinely fucked me up to find out how hated she was by the fan base just because she’s KIND OF annoying in the first episode. like her cheating on walt, an abusive murderous monster, is a greater crime to them than… abuse, murder, destroying dozens of peoples’ entire lives (and hundreds if you count the effects of meth or the people who died in the plane crash even if that was less direct)
Attacking an actor for a character they played is the most childish shit.
I know, right? I thought this game was rated M. An adult game to be played by adults. Get these children out of here.
I'll tell you a little secret. There are numerous people out there who have never had to develop their cognitive bias beyond that of a child. Society has never properly challenged them to move beyond the narrative that their emotions are all that is real, or when it has, they have been successfully able to play the victim until the facts went away. We need to do better about calling this crap out and demanding more accountability. Unfortunately, that's exactly what our society sells, because we just move too fast and emotional manipulation is too profitable.
We've kind of asked for it. What made you think that angry people are rational? Did you seriously think that with Cancel Culture, excusable looting, and someone calling you -phobic for everything from not consenting to sexual intercourse with a trans person to protecting your personal property from a POC with legal immunity until a Liberal politician's property is the target, people were just going to be angry and violent about just those social justice issues? If so, that's hilarious. It's like thousands of women have told you over and over that violence is about power, and you just said "believe all women" and went back to being a misogynist. Lol
For starters, the actors don't choose how their character acts. The writer does. In a video game, the designer and/or animation director may have some influence in how it's all presented, I suppose... but the actor's job is to convey the character that is handed to them, to imagine that character's tone and body language (where applicable) as they live through the story handed to them by the writer(s). But hating the writers won't help either, because fiction isn't real and a story dictated by its most angry fans would suck balls.
@@PedricCuf Excellent point. Modern society is built on a number of fallacies - "if you don't make money, you're not valuable", for instance (tell that to the person who dragged you to the hospital when you had a stroke for a fat paycheck of $0), or "if you're not better than most people, you're not good enough" (what are the bottom three or four billion people supposed to do about that, exactly?), or "if you don't admit defeat, you haven't lost, and losing is the worst thing in the world" (just... no). We, the human race, need to start detecting, acknowledging, and correcting these fallacies, starting with our own minds and then reaching out - in a friendly and respectful manner where possible, best success rate - to others as voices of reason. We don't have to settle for a crappy world where people don't respect, understand or even care about each other. We can give that to others, and in at least some cases, receive it in return... and who doesn't want to be respected, understood and cared about?^^
To those seeing ads:
He doesn't run ads himself at all. Someone must have claimed it and is monetizing it. It'll be 2 weeks before the claim to the video is dropped due to no further action by whoever claimed it. The claimer has no chance of gaining actual rights to the video because it is OBVIOUSLY fair-use, but TH-cam's policy gives the CLAIMER the benefit of the doubt and 2 weeks of ad revenue while the content creator is just SOL for that period.
There have been several Jimquisitions on the subject. Jim actually learned how to avoid the issue by goading TWO claimers into trying for it, which makes the video revert back to the content creator since both claimers can't monetize it at the same time. I don't know what the current status is with all this, but obviously whatever Jim is doing didn't work this time.
I commented this elsewhere but I was seeing more people comment on it so there you go.
Yeah, youtube is absolute garbage.
He posted on Twitter that the "copyright deadlock" doesn't always work, but putting in clips from "Repo! The Genetic Opera" was WORTH IT!
This was changed a while back, TH-cam now holds any ad revenue until the dispute is cleared up and then gives it to the person who owns the rights to the video, which will be Jim as everything used is covered under fair use. No one else is going to earn a penny off this video.
Thank god I blocked all of them years ago on the sole basis that they are hot garbage.
Never have to worry about this crap.
And thank god for Jim.
Well technically, according to that apologist logic .... everyone in the game deserves to die anyway are they are all murderers ....
Anyway this shitstorm is very much self inflicted by Neil. No pity on that front.
But to confuse an actor with the character and issuing death threat? Seriously that is stupid
Laura Bailey has also voiced Chun Li, so by the logic of these idiots we should praise her for helping save the world, alongside Kyle Hebert.
Never 4get Tohru Honda. That cinnamon roll can make a psychopath like Akito move on with her life.
She's also a japanese idol with the powers to summon a Japanese deity to scan abilities of her foes.
Also the Ultimate Lance, Lust, in FMA. Not someone to trifle with.
I don't understand why people think Laura Bailey deserves to die. After all, she's already had all her coworkers murdered by a bioweaponry manufacturer, thrown through walls and off roofs, been orally violated by a giant spider, and barely escaped an American city destroyed by a nuclear bomb launched by our own country! Hasn't she suffered enough?
Also, it can't have been easy for her being turned into a vampire and imprisoned for thousands of years by her Molag Bal-worshipping family, only to go home and her Dad straight-up wanted to sacrifice her so he could blot out the sun forever - the sun which, I might add, DOESN'T EVEN HARM VOLKIHAR VAMPIRES
It has become increasingly exhausting to live in this world knowing there are people who constantly prove time and time again there is no rock bottom to how stupid they can act and be.
The real problem is that these people have access to the internet, and lot of free time while stuck at home.
I'm so flipping tired, you guys
Amen, brother. Couldn’t say it better myself
Such is life when we have made things idiot-proof and the stupidest members of the society procreate instead of killing themselves in "accidents".
sure sounds nice to be the one talking all high and mighty ''ugh if only these BABOONS would stop shouting and screaming etc''
but in all honesty we all are fukin dumb one way or another.
I get really liking a character but attacking voice actors is just insane.
It makes no fucking sense! None! How dumb does one have to be to think that a voice actor has anything to say about what a character does? I'm so done with humanity
Not to promote attacking, but if they want to deliver criticism, shouldn't it be to the writers? There's usually a whole section of them in the Credits.
I get how it came to be though I don't agree with it. But it is also helping out the "all critics are haters and shouldn't be listened to" blanket statement and narrative that ND/Sony et al are pushing in favour of TLOU2.
@Andrew Barnett you'd think, wouldn't you?
@@Galuna Yea, direct your critique at the writers and developers. Even then you can do criticism of art in a civil and constructive manner. It's not hard. Critiquing art doesn't require you loose your mind and become a raving lunatic.
Someone tweeted that the death threats were merely "a joke". I'm still trying to puzzle that one out...
It's the Trump defense, seems to be working well for him.
THe KKK would also claim it's all a joke after a hanging, point being- A COWARD always make the "it's a joke" plea to avoid facing consequences. WHITE BOY tactics!
Because when dickheads are called put for being dickheads they just throw back a "Its just a joke." In an attempt to save face. They're cowardly pissbabies.
I mean, in a world where people say the most heinous things to other people's faces and it somehow makes it ok if you add the words "just saying" at the end, are you surprised? My bet is most of the people who post this shit are either mental teenagers (aka people who still haven't grown out of puberty in their 30s) or actual teenagers with raging hormones flooding their underdeveloped brain.
Spot on!
This used to be a funny comment, but, naturally, it turned into an angry debate. Feel free to join in! You can leave your reason at the door, it's not needed here.
Ree.
People threatened to kill JJ Abrams because they were hardcore SJW Reylos. It didn't get NEAR the attention of this load of shit. Anita Sarkeesian staged her own death threats with the help of friends. Just sayin'.
@@Axess-sv8nq I know what SJW means but wtf is a Reylos? And what does Sarkeesian staging her own death threats have anything to do with people being upset at an actor for playing a fictitious role? I mean If you want to make a real comparison, people really did give the actor who played as Joffree some hate, even though it's a FAKE world. it's TV. He was an actor playing out a fictitious role. People do need to know the difference between reality and television, or videogames. and it's sad.
@@highasduck5282 Don't give anyone who unironically uses SJW in 2020 your time. They are alt-right scum bags or trolls. Either way they don't deserve your thought or attention.
@@devilmikey00 That is exactly the reason why the political debate is as stagnant as it is these days. Dismissing someone immediately because of their opinion (or, in this case, a single buzzword they used) isn't a wise mindset. One's idea of the world can only widen by experiencing different points of view.
I've heard a number of times of cosplayers at conventions dressed as antagonist characters getting attacked by certain con-goers because they hate the character so much. It's incredibly stupid, but it sounds like a real problem that deserves attention.
Even worse, people who attack cosplayers over something the voice actors may or may not have done. Like everyone attacking any character Vic Mignona voiced.
Yep, one of my main cosplays is Giovanni from the Pokemon games and I actually had someone through a milkshake at me practically ruining my outfit.
@@kriger619 what a degenerate
@@centurosproductions8827 man that sucks
Look, Jim: You can't _prove_ that Street Sharks aren't real.
Street Sharks aren't real. They cannot hurt you.
@MrGpt2010 Does that count? They can't survive there for long and are outside their habitat. That's like if the sea dried up and there was a tortoise in it. We wouldn't call it a sea tortoise.
@@JABRIEL251 theres being logical, and then theres doing whatever your doing. Not sure what your schtick is, but it aint fun
@@EmptyAltruism Didn't you read their name? They're the logical one.
*badum tiss*
I want to believe.
When I was a teenager I sent a really mean message to John Romero and he PM'd me a really kind reply and I felt awful and apologized.
That's actually pretty wholesome
We all post dumb shit as teenagers. It's the ones who get into their 30s without learning anything from it that I can't understand.
Is his severed head still in the Icon of Sin in Doom Eternal? It should be.
Just explain it was your marketing team's idea, he'll understand
In fairness to you, he did also tell you he'd make you his bitch.
this reminds me of when i watched an episode of the power rangers when i was like 7 or 8. There was a bonus segment at the end where the big school bully character spent time explaining that people who play bad guys in TV or movies are not bad people. It is sad that grown ass people dont understand that.
Maybe they missed that episode.
Then there's the real-life shippers who get upset when an actor doesn't get in a relationship with the person who plays the fictional character that their fictional character is in love with. I think some people genuinely do struggle to separate characters from their actors, though there's more of a gap with voice acting.
I separate Frank Welker from Santa’s Little Helper, Fred Jones and Megatron among many others.
Remember how James Earl Jones did cut the hand of Mark Hamill?
But at least Jeremy Irons avenged us by throwing him off a cliff.
I will never forgive Bruce Willis for killing Jeremy Irons.
@@Gab98Spyro He's dead already. He didn't know it at first tho...
Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger cut off his head or something, though?
Not sure where him spitting a tomato on a spike fits though...
And then Arnold Schwarzenegger cut his head off and threw it in a river.
Remember all the death threats and vitriol sent Anna Gunn's way for portraying Skyler White in breaking bad? a character who had every right to be scared of her husband and how he was a danger to their family but soooo many misogynists were angry at her and by extension her actress for... stopping the bad man they liked from doing the meth crimes. gah.
Fuck. I just remembered all that shit
I mean, i wasnt a fan of her character towards the end when she abandoned and betrayed Walt after he had essentially done all these things for her, for his family. But walt wasnt a saint and i certainly wouldnt blame her for her characters actions
@@EmptyAltruism Walt didn't do it for the family, he claims to have done it but reveals that he did it for his own ego and himself in the end. That's the entire point, it's the story of a man who tried to justify doing horrible things to himself to fuel his own power trip.
@@denniswilliams6519 and accumulated millions in the process that he always planned to leave to his family...Right?
@@EmptyAltruism Blood money to again fill his ego. He had a chance to get out and take enough money for himself and his family earlier in the show but passed it out of pride.
It really warms my heart that a high profile like Jim Sterling is finally confronting Frank Welker on his atrocities against autobots and especially on the murder of Optimus Prime
thank you jim... thank you...
I still haven't got over Hot Rod interfering in Prime's fight. Kup specifically told him to not got involved. Fucking bastard Hot Rod.
@@UnChannelDuVulpineX And he gets rewarded and turns into Rodimus Prime, who transforms into a fucking campervan. Jesus wept!
Frank Welker got his comeuppance when Orson Wells turned him into Spock.
I always knew G1 Megatron was too impotent to come up with this working plan. I bet it was Frank Welker idea that Decepticons should leave water and nerf guns on Cybertron and take with them real deadly weapons. He is true Decepticon in his heart.
So we're just gonna ignore David Kane and his atrocities to the very (near) destruction of the Maximals and Cybertron itself in Beast Machines?
I'm glad Jim eventually pointed out that this isn't some issue with gamers speciffically, but with people toward entertainment. Ask anyone with a role in Game of Thrones...
The CHILD who played Anakin in Star Wars episode 1 received so much harassment that he gave up on acting and made repeated suicide attempts in his childhood because there are so many deluded fucking geeks out there
Or prior to both; the actor on 90210 (dating myself) who got loads of hate mail and death threats for playing an abusive boyfriend of Tori Spellings character on the show…sadly this particular brand of psychosis isn’t new.
@@MichaelHaneline Also, the guy who played Jar Jar Binks. I don't even think he reads any of the lines the script provided for him. He was the mocap actor ffs.
There's a video on youtube of he himself explaining he wanted to commit suicide after getting so much hatred and threats from deluded and secluded little shits.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Star Wars community is toxic as fuck.
I wish there was something we could do about rabid fans...
Its like everyone forgot about what happened with the John Hinckly Junior/Jodie Foster situation DECADES ago... Conflating reality with fantasy is as old as celebrity worship itself. This is a societal problem not a specific industry or platforms problem.
This is awful to hear. Laura is one of the sweetest people alive.
In the galaxy
she really is
Ran into her at a convention once, can confirm she's super nice.
This pointless harassment she's being draged through is heartbreaking.
This isn't her first rodeo though with online abuse. There was harassment from WoW's community over her character Jaina Proudmoore with similar stuff coming up. I am a huge fan of Laura Bailey's work and so I find the whole thing sad and the fact she's been getting this sort of crap on and off for years is intensely disappointing.
Who’s stupid and insane enough to attack VA for fictional character crimes
Oh yeah the internet
No a hand full of inane people
I just remembered the case of Kelly Marie Tan, Rose Tico in The Last Jedi.
Mentally disabled probably? Not the average healthy human being.
Let us be honest, here, that is not the internet, it is humanity, this exists way before internet already, people seeing actress in theaters, movies, newspaper storys or books and can not differ an act from real life. If something Internet made it easer to spread such "rumors" but also informed people more about the truth aswell, it is a split sword here.
The internet is benign. It's the people on the internet that are assholes
Remember when Jim made this exact same episode after Dragon Age 2 came out, and people threatened to murder the children of the writers? That was like, 10 years ago.
This reminds me of when Chris Pratt was harrassed online because of what Star Lord did in Infinity War's climax. Online mobs be crazy
He does actually deserve some harassment tbh just not for something so stupid like that, more so for epstein things.
No one DESERVES Legitimate harassment|
Kianavonna elaborate?
@@KitheCreativeArtist what?
Wait so people are so out of the loop you say "Epstein Stuff" and no one understands? We are all screwed.
Are people really pathetic enough that they would harass somebody over killing a fictional character?
I just ran into dude in these very comments who tried to make an argument that if you're famous there is "an acceptable amount of death threats to receive for being famous."
What a shit excuse to harass someone.
Capital G gamers
Yes. People are that pathetic and stupid. Never underestimate the level of stupidity that humans can reach. They will always surprise and disappoint you.
....yes. The very obvious answer to your question is yes.
I love Gamers.
For me when an actor does such a job that makes me hate their characters I praise them for it as it shows how good they are, I don't get why people would attack them?
Shame she gets all the high profile game characters and not new actors, but she is good so thats why
Not saying she didn't did a good job with Abby, because she did, but her character isn't supposed to be hated. The game wants you to empathize and care for Abby. The game failed thoroughly at doing that, but that isn't the actress' fault in any way shape or form.
@@jdzspace33 You're not necesarilly supposed to like her. The point was just that things are rarely black and white. Not only is she not a total monster, but if she is, then so is Ellie. Frankly, Abby isn't any more despicable of a person than Joel in The Last of Us. Yes, I know that game was better written, which worked in Joel's favor. How people got the idea that he is some kind of hero, or a truly good man, is beyond me. We can sympathize with him to an extent, absolutely, but that doesn't excuse his actions.
@@crazydud3380 - I don't know about that. Joel and Ellie on their worst days did what they did to survive. They didn't hunt down and torture people for some supposed slight.
I'm not going to say that Ellie and Joel aren't vicious because they absolutely are, but Joel and Ellie never repaid someone who saved their lives by torturing anyone to death in front of their loved one while they begged for them to stop.
Abby IS a monster. Her father wasn't tortured, he was shot because he was going to murder Ellie. If they woke her up and got her consent then he would have less of a case, but as it stands he wanted to murder someone in cold blood, and then threatened to kill Joel rather than let Joel have her. He was shot for good reason. If he would have let her go then he wouldn't have gotten shot.
We will ignore the numerous children that man killed all while failing to create a vaccine and if that makes him any more or less deserving of his fate.
Everyone Joel tortured was because they threatened him or those he loved, Ellie never tortured anyone until AFTER watching Joel be tortured and killed in front of her.
Nobody is innocent, but Abby is without a doubt a monster. And if Ellie becomes a monster it is because Abby made her into one by the (undeserved) trauma she put Ellie through. After Joel literally saved her life.
I know what the game was trying to do, but Abby was a monster how can you empathize with someone capable of doing something like that in the manner she did it after Joel saved her life?
@@crazydud3380 I wouldn't say it was better written, it was just 100% intended and designed to make you love Ellie and Joel. It's funny to see so many people repeating "they tried very hard to make us love Abby but it failed, I still hate her". The devs CHOSE to show us the darkest side of her personality as her introduction in the story, they CHOSE to have her kill their beloved Joel, and in her story arc her cold personality, which is again a CHOICE of the developers, works against her while in fact she's following somewhat noble goals. They intentionaly made her hard to like on the surface and she only opens up late in her story arc, that was a choice, while in the first game they worked hard to make a very questionable character like Joel lovable from the first minutes (they killed his lovely daughter right at the begining to make sure you sympathize with him immediately), and that was also a choice. Hell if they really want to see what it is to try very hard to make you like a character they should play the first TLOU again, with their eyes open this time.
And they worked so hard toward that goal in the first game that, like you said, people (myself included) sympathized with Joel and some even completely overlooked his actions (and I'm not just talking about what he did in the hospital, he makes questionable actions throughout the game). I actually have more respect for what they did in Part 2 with Abby, they didn't try to sell her so much that you'd completely forget that she isn't perfect. Writing in TLOU2 has its flaws but in Abby's case the mistake is twofold and mostly unrelated to how she's written: they oversold Joel in the first game, his relationship with Ellie overshadowed the true nature of his actions, then fans over sympathized, overconnected with him, they
idealized him so much that whoever killed him would never have a chance to earn their respect no matter what happens next in the game. And I could add a third aspect, like Jim said in the video. The big man, the hero, got killed by a woman, a muscular woman at that (a non-fuckable, non-desirable woman according to their conception of what a woman is supposed to be and look like).
Imagine having the brain capacity to track the voice actor
i.e. a completely different name
but not having the brain capacity to put 2 and 2 together and realise this is, well, _an actor_
right? like they surely went to Google, or at least read in the credits that Laura voiced Abby. Then went to Twitter where they could see Laura's profile, and see that she looks completely different than the character. There are so many degrees of separation that these people need to leap across to say "Esteemed actress Laura Bailey murdered my fictional character"
I think that's where option 2 comes into play. Either way it's disturbing and sad.
And that the VA has next to nothing to do with what the character does and how the story goes.
Its probably isnt about brain capacity. They have deep rooted psychological issues. They have the necessary skills, they just have some kind of distorted reality. Probably having spent too much time playing video games.
With the soap opera thing there's ALMOST (not really, but almost) an explanation. Because there, the character they play looks like the person, but in different clothes. It's still FUCKIN' STUPID, but there they at least look the same. There, they could be found in a way that has nothing to do with their name. All you see is "Oh that's Jack Fuckwad from Smucker Street!" or whatever. You don't actively see that Jack Fuckwad is actually named Samuel Reed. You don't have to actively search out "Samuel Reed" to tell Jack Fuckwad to eat a dick.
Is any of it excusable, even then? FUCK NO. But it's at least a slightly more realistic thought pattern.
Here, instead, you play the game, see Abby. Abby looks like Abby. Abby's name is not Laura, and Abby does not look like Laura.
Then, you have to track down, one way or another, who Abby's voice actor is. You are actively informed that Abby is not Laura. Laura provides Abby's voice, and only her voice. They are otherwise separate. You now know Laura.
Then, you have to track down a connection to Laura, like her twitter. You are, in this step, openly admitting that Laura is her name She is not Abby. You are getting pictures of Not-Abby left and right. The avatar is Not-Abby. The description states "Voice Actor". The entire page is distinctly, 100% "Not Abby".
Then, you call Laura a bitch for murdering [person] because that's something SHE did and SHE is a terrible person for what SHE did. She, Laura. That thing she did. You frequently use the word "you" because you're talking to Laura, who is totally the same person (despite the past several steps clearly showing that they're not).
How?
Laura Bailey? Such a laid-back, nice, talented person. I remember her from D&D sessions with Will Wheaton. Do people seriously hate HER?
Same! How can anyone hate her? I mean if these people can't separate her from her characters then she must also be a blue tiefling with an adorable crush on her Half-Orc companion.
Reminds me of the actor who played Jar Jar Binks. He was harassed so much for his his role that he felt like killing himself. Similar to how a lot of the Star Wars actors were getting treated recently, not surprising that so many of them don't want to go back to that franchise.
The actor, Ahmed Best, is currently the host for a Star Wars themed game show where he is the Jedi master. It's very fun
Star Wars fans are largely toxic inbreds that hate everything about what they're supposedly a fan of. It's difficult to think of a worse fanbase.
@@therealMrA At least known toxic fanbases like say Steven Universe or KPOP stans actually love what they're a fan of lol.
@@therealMrA I don't know man, using these broad strokes to categorize such a large group of people isn't very helpful either. It's obvious that a bunch of people who are Star Wars fans are unpleasant to communicate with, but you don't need to act like everyone who likes Star Wars is a nutcase. I'm a huge Star Wars myself from before I could even read the subtitles (Okay basically I'm a huge fan of the first three films and some of the games), but you wont see me acting irrational about it, just like my other friends who like the franchise (up to a point). Yes, I'm vocal about the things I don't like, but I'm vocal about all pieces of media I don't like because I enjoy putting out critique of the pieces of media I consume, usually in a coherent, constructive and non-toxic way.
@@lukea5373 I wish you were right, but unfortunately I remember the "SU Critical" community...
I remember when people lost their minds over Henry Cavill appearing in an episode of Sesame Street after doing Man of Steel. The way they reacted you'd have thought they were under the impression Cavill really had killed someone in real life.
There was also another example from four years ago regarding a model who received death threats from Justin Bieber fans. Sometimes, you wonder if doing any job that puts you in front of a camera is worth it.
What's really disgusting, even more that the threats and harassment, is when the usual crowd claims these threats are a "false flag" to drum up sympathy.
That's messed up. Just because they don't want to deal with tough real-world issues, doesn't mean they can dismiss it.
Cicada 5 it’s not worth it. Do something with your hands.
I can kind of see where people are coming from with the Cavill thing, though. I remember a lot of people being mad that they took their kid(s) to see a Superman movie and left the theater with their kids crying because Superman was too violent for kids to watch. The target audience for Sesame Street is probably too young to realize that Henry Cavill will not fly through their bedroom walls and snap their necks like he did in the movie.
@@jimballard1186
Weird and slightly unrelated but I remember a child in the 2005 version of King Kong.
The part when they are throwing the bottles of ether to knockout King Kong this kid just started balling his eyes out.
And all I could think was why is like a five-year-old in this movie come on!
I remember Lando Calrissian's actor got kids telling him "How could you betray Han Solo?!" but that was KIDS. KIDS!
I cant believe that. Billy Dee Williams has too much charisma for that to happen.
Seriously though, thats the first I ever heard of it.
Seems like a lot of people are not smarter than kids. That's how guys like Trump get elected for President...
I still send him the yearly hate letter for betraying han, and around the christmas season i send him a box of chocolate for saving Leia.
@@Texelion3Dprints To be fair when it comes down to choosing between him and a shady crooked politician, or him and a senile old man who forgets where he is half the time and talks about kids rubbing his hairy legs, the choice becomes a little easier...
some people are still kids tho
"Fictional characters are fictional"
Holy shit, when did humanity take such a sad turn that such obvious facts have to be forcibly reminded to the public ?
When we started printing 'WARNING: CONTAINS PEANUTS' on peanut bags...
Things didn’t really change. When movies were new, some cinemas had incidents where people tried to shoot characters on screen.
When a warning label has to be attached to a superman costume, saying "THIS COSTUME DOES NOT ENABLE THE WEARER TO FLY", I say it was about then.
Sometime between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace. The guy who played Anakin Skywalker, Jake Lloyd, attempted suicide because losers attacked him for existing in a movie they didn't like.
@@beckstheimpatient4135 Did you know that those one serving mustard plastic things contain mustard? I'm glad the packaging told me, if not I could've had an allergic reaction from... mustard?
To be fair though depending on where and how "contains peanuts" and other things get printed on it might have some merit. If a consistent standard is used where high profile allergens are consistently listed at a certain location in the nutritional value, ingredients, etc text it's entirely reasonable to standardise it. If a few obvious ones like these become victim of requiring that due to having a good legally enforced standard I'm okay with it.
"Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture [Abby] and this picture [Laura Bailey]."
Angry people with death threats: "They're the same picture."
None of this is new, the little girl that played the possessed girl in The Exorcist (Linda Blair) was for years after the movie though of by the general public as a demon girl and she received threats for her role; Considering that The Exorcist spawned intense audience reactions ranging anywhere from fainting to vomiting, it's no wonder that controversy would follow the film's release. After the film premiered, one of the primary complaints from concerned critics was that The Exorcist would spark a belief in paranormal topics among viewers, such as exorcisms. Considering that Linda Blair's deeply convincing and horrifying performance is the focus of the film, many misplaced their anger on the young actress.
Blair stated that, despite her age, she wasn't spared any of the criticisms facing the film or her performance. Blair was accused of glorifying Satan by playing Regan, and as a result, she received tons of death threats. According to Blair, "I had many people approach me that raised fear in everyone around me. I was very well protected. The police were hired to live at my house." In the same interview, she claimed that people would follow her down the street to heckle her about her role in the film.
Despite demonstrating her impressive acting capabilities in The Exorcist, Linda had a difficult time getting cast for roles that didn't cast her as a helpless victim. For example, she reprized her role as Regan in Exorcist II: The Heretic. But before that, there was the 1974 television drama Born Innocent, where Blair played the role of Chris Parker, a young girl who runs from her abusive family. Eventually, she's forced to live in a girl's juvenile detention center where the other girls abuse her. Only a year after Born Innocent, Blair was cast as Sarah T. in Sarah T. - Portrait of a Teenage Alcoholic. Here, Blair's character grapples with her parents' recent divorce, as well as her feelings of inadequacy, ultimately turning her to alcohol to cope.
@@anony3615 Thank you, didn't the same thing happen to the Rose Tico actor? Are we just going to get one of these stories every time a person gets death threats on the internet?
@@cookie4092131 We should, because NOBODY SHOULD BE GETTING FUCKING DEATH THREATS.
@@tophergerkey Okay, but they do. Nobody should get murdered but it happens. Hell, they don't even report on some murders anymore. So I guess what should we do?
@@cookie4092131 'anymore'? They're reporting more murders now than ever.
Jim, I just wanted to say as someone who has suffered from psychosis with some really distressing hallucinations, thank you for your sensitivity. I know it wasn't the overall topic of the video, but you tactfully and conscientiously handled it, and the fact that you bother at all is really reassuring.
"Street sharks aren't real either"
Insert Vader NOOOOOOOO meme
AS A STREET SHARK I FEEL MARGINALIZED!
Makes sense. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are confirmed to be real. They had their own Broadway musical and EVERYTHING! Sharks can't exist outside water anyways...
Did you read the article about the guy who tricked a bunch of people into thinking there was a female Street Shark? Funny stuff.
Laura Bailey is a very talented and wonderful person. What the hell is wrong with some people?
The real pandemic is humanity's capacity for stupidity.
I don't buy it myself. Her archived page shows that she hasn't even read the DMs where these all supposedly came from. Every time some new "woke" piece of trash comes out and gets hate you get some actor/tress "coming out" that they are having their lives threatened. Sorry... I call bullshit.
Laura Bailey is a person. What the hell is wrong with some people? FTFY, she could the least talented asshole in the world and she still wouldn't deserve death threats.
I mean even if she was a talentless asshole, there's no excuse for her to be treated thus. She's an actor, Abby is a character that's all.
Absolutely, I loved her as Fiona in Tales from the Borderlands and Mary Jane in Spider-Man. Also she did one of the female voices in Saints Row.
Laura Bailey had zero shit to do with her character killing *blank*.
Unfortunately that means I did not date Laura Bailey in Persona 4 or collected giant mantis eggs for her in Fallout NV. That's the reality we all have to deal with.
My day has been made. Thank you.
Nor did she kill various multitudes of equally fictional pixelated people in Saints Row 3 & 4 as “Female Boss 1”
I've got this amazing image in my head of Yu actually dating Laura Bailey instead of Rise, like Laura Bailey is still a flesh and blood human, while everything else is still P4G graphics.
Oh the mantis egg lady was Laura Bailey? Neat
or a female ancient vampire with daddy issues hidden by her mother with some old powerful scroll only to be discovered by some random person that shouts alot~ :v
Emotion is an inextricable part of living as a human being; that said, emotion without logic is extremely dangerous. By the way, as someone who just found this channel, I absolutely adore this man's fashion sense.
You should look at some of his older work. In my opinion some of his best and funniest vids were when he was trashing a crappy steam game, one in particular was "cart racer" (i think thats the name). As far as recent stuff, anything where he covers Fallout 76 is gold, particularly the "100 dollar fallout 76 subscription" vid. Its the origin story of the "bethesda is shit" dance. Hope this helps, and welcome :)
Welcome to the circus, my good man!
You've stumbled upon something truly special and we're glad to have you! ^^
Laura Bailey is one of my favorite voice talents. I always like hearing her pop up in video games. It really annoyed me to see people hate her so much just because she played a character who did something they didn't like.
Hell, she got nominated for an award just last year for Kait Diaz. Like Troy Baker, she is a world class performer.
Agreed, the fact that one of my favorite voice actresses is under fire for *doing her job* pisses me off.
Im more familiar with Tara Strong. I WAS a fan of Troy Baker but i dont know about him these days, i think hes kinda losing the plot. Hes either getting so frustrated hes turning into a pretentious Dbag or he always was one and he just hid it better. At any rate maybe i should look into lauras career, see what kind of stuff shes done. I might have already played a game she acted in without knowing it
@@EmptyAltruism Skyrim comes to mind immediately, but I've been playing it recently. She voiced Serana.
@@EmptyAltruism The chances you've played a game she acted in without knowing it are enormously high. She played Chun-Li for years, she's been in Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Tales from The Borderlands, DC and Marvel games, Persona, Uncharted, Sonic, Ghostbusters the video game, she was even in a Silent Hill game. In some of these long-running series, such as RE and FF, she even played more than one character.
I deal with Serial Harassers. It's funny how they dedicate their existence to ruining you, when they're actually ruining themselves.
Jim: Look at the clothes you're wearing
Me: *looks down* But, I'm not wearing any clothes. That means, I must be a video game character!
Can't argue with that logic
Or a pony >3>
You must be a girl in an mmo lol
@@LordMoku
Both? Both!
You might be a character in a porn game then.
Me: "I like this person's work but I don't interact with them for fear of coming across as an annoying little twat."
Other people:
if anything, this reinforces the idea that you should contact these actors as best you can when you like their work. Even if they can't respond due to being busy, many of them do still read fan letters and things. Laura even said in that tweet that she appreciated all of the positive words coming her way, so definitely share when you think a performance was good.
Have people forgotten that Laura and Ashley are best friends? They’re on critical role together
Definitely. Ashley seemed super excited and happy when Laura won best voice actor
Jim Sterling: "Touch your face."
Me: "Nooo. It's allergy season and I'm trying so hard not to touch my eyes--"
Jim Sterling: "Go ahead, touch your stupid face."
Me: "Sterling, stop making me think about--"
Jim Sterling: "Touch your face. Touch your face. Touch your face."
Ok you convince me.... I'll touch my face 😉😁
This seems like a safe time to touch your face, so touch your face
Similar things happened with Star Wars. There are always crazies out there.
Didn't the kid that played kid Anakin get bullied to the point where his life took a dark turn
@@UNIT5FAN yes but that was not because of the fandom but the media and the people who lived close to him.
@@bashooi no, it was definitely the fandom
Let's not forget Rose's actress.
Say what you will about the sequel trilogy, she didn't deserve such harassment.
Lucas himself was harassed as well.
Keanu Reeves has such an interesting life! He managed to unplug himself from the Matrix and lead a revolution against evil machines so he could later take revenge on his dog's killers and become a cyborg musician and anti-corporate activist, what a guy!
But for real, as these deranged fuckers struggle to understand how fiction works, I struggle to understand that those people are REAL themselves.
Well when you're time traveling and playing Twister with death while you're still in high school you know you're going places.
Oh, and he's also an alien with a 20-story robot bodyguard, but most people don't want to acknowledge that.
@@slambangaction I liked that movie.
@@teenkitsune
If we're talking The day the Earth stood still uh yeah no. Too most I would say better left forgotten, and it definitely has been for the most part.
Hes also gone toe to toe with the devil himself.
EA: "These fans have the correct level of engagement. How do we monetize?"
EA board member: "I dunno. Maybe do a stretch goal where if we get enough donations to do it, we actually assassinate the voice actor?... Just saying. We're EA. Wouldn't be the _worst_ thing we've done."
One dollar to throw a rock at (actor), just one dollar!
The idea that the publishers actually like it when the fans get abusive and actively encourage it is one of the most cynical and discouraging things I can imagine about the industry.
TH-cam in a nutshell (dislikes count as engagement in the algorithm so it makes the creator get more and gets it recommended to more people)
Jim: "Go on touch your stupid face"
Me: "No that's how you get Coronas"
but seriously, i will never get people who attack actors because of the characters they portray. They didn't do anything.
They accepted the job. Shows how much personal integrity they have when they’re willing to take a gig for $$$ after reading the script and still want to be a part of the project.
SHHHH, he's trying to trick the people that don't know the difference. Let Darwinism do it's work.
@@Outplayedqt to be fair most of these actor or actresses dont play the games they voice characters for.
@@Outplayedqt wait wait wait ... you think that someone accepting MONEY for a PAID JOB shows a lack of integrity? And that if they chose the job after reading the script, this shows how easily they can be bought? How very dare they expect to be paid for their highly skilled labour in our highly monetised society! It is completely ridiculous for people to expect to be paid in a currency which is easily exchanged for goods or services, when they instead could just receive a very hearty pat on the back! Or even a round of applause! I'm sure your landlord will accept applause as payment, right?
@@Outplayedqt An actor has to support the view of the character they portray? That's news. Are you alright? You know actors are paid to act, right? And some actors portray the villain sometimes? Hello?
Pretty sure the ven diagram of dudes doing this and dudes harassing the Star Wars actresses/crew/producers/etc is a mathematically perfect circle.
@Blank Space Provided Because it's usually dudes, you've personally experienced women harassing you but doesn't mean the majority are women
Voice actor for Jar Jar Binks got harassed the same way. To the point he wanted to commit suicide. :/
CDC: "Don't touch your face"
Jim Sterling: "TOUCH YOUR STUPID FACE!"
The CDC told people not to wear masks (because USA corporations sold all their masks, and the USA government kept all its masks away from the VA to give to ICE/DHS).
Well this is a fun day to be alive. I still remember when my uncle told me about some local actor in the early 90's who got slapped by a woman in the pub because the character he played on TV was such a bastard. I remember when I was 13 or so in 2000-2001 and thinking that sounded so quaint and strange, like some sort of medieval "magical thinking." Too bad it's still around.
Not gonna lie...if D&D from GoT were getting curbstomped, I’d stick around and watch.
It took me a while to parse that sentence.
Was that Trevor from eastenders? Cos I heard that one back in the day.
Think it was Alan from coronation street, he tried to kill rita in Blackpool.
Reminds me of stories of people actually poking Curly's actor in the eyes. From the Three Stooges. I suspect this one goes right back to fucking idiots dodging out of the way when the silent movie train is coming at them, and it's really, really sad that it still, to a degree, persists.
When Neil said that the game is going to inspire debates, I never imagined that it would be this bad lol.
Spot on. It's a video game. She was paid to say words that someone else wrote. You don't threaten the mailman because he delivered the Electric bill
_Wehhhh_ but I want an excuse to be violent!! D:
Laura Bailey is a treasure and we don't deserve her.
I mean, i do...
I got a commercial interruption while Jim was doing his Edgy Atheist dance. I assume that this means that the video was monetized by God.
Or Ned Flanders
So God is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends as well?!
@@AnaMaria-wt3ix
Outsourcing demon slaying
I have no idea what you do in RAID: Shadow Legends but it sounds right
I thought Jim doesn't put ads in his videos.
Lol! And God said Let there be joy!
It really doesn't matter what Joel's character is like. Joel could be a saint and Laura Bailey still shouldn't get death threats, even if she gloated about Joel's death while hitting a Joel funko pop with a golf club.
I'd fucking *praise* her for destroying a Funko Pop if anything!
I mean, the scenario you described would present her as unlikable much like the character she played but it certainly wouldnt mean she deserved harassment
I was personal mad at the fact Joal and other guy knew they had plenty of enemies who would want them dead and despite this was completely open and trusting with strangers when he is shown repeatably to be very distrustful of strangers. Its not the fact that he died that made everybody angry its that he did a 180 on his established character and went down so unceremoniously after the devs said he would play a large part in the story.
@@ultraknight40000 i personally hoped hed get a chance to be happy with ellie but theres no chance of that now. I guess i could relate to his character because if it were my daughter id do anything in my power to make sure she was safe, up to and including murder (especially in a post apocalyptic society where murder is fairly normal). I dont get why jim and alot of ppl seem to gloss over the fact that violence is normal in this world. Joel was supposed to lay down and die when threatened? Besides, their labelling of him as a bad person that deserved to die only proves my point for me. if we must condemn every person that commits violent acts without nuance then we must condemn every human being in TloU1 and 2 because they have all committed acts of violence to survive. Or for other reasons...so why arent you condemning Abby?
@@ultraknight40000 It's implied quite a bit that he's softened over tha years between this game and tha prior since living in an established town much like before the apocalypse and even has a new daughter in addition to having new people enter their town quite minus not having had to murder anyone in years|
It's really no different than how much Leon S Kennedy changed in the 6 years between Resident Evil 2 and was physically absent until 4 resident evil|
Alt Title; "Jim has to address the Clowns for 20 minutes, again, yes seriously."
Actual Circus Clowns: I'm sorry, wh-
Jim: *NOT YOU! Get back in the buggy and BUGGER OFF!*
For those complaining that Laura Bailey killed Joel, didn’t those same players kill Joel in the first game because of their stupidity or a mistake. So to those who bully Laura take hike, look at yourself in a mirror or two and then apologise to this poor woman who tried her best. Sure story wasn’t great because they tried to force a goody too shoes character in a game with no 100% good people. This does not mean I’m going to abuse that woman who makes a damn career out of making sure that the script comes out the best way. Once again to those who didn’t like the game and don’t harass thank you.
Alot of people in the comments have missed the point
You can be (and are allowed to be) sad or upset that your favourite character is killed (or written completely out of character), no one's saying you're not allowed to be sad.
What you don't do is send death threats to real people over it.
It's that simple.
Just for the record, Joel wasn't written out of character.
@@Peasham except for all the accounts that knowing what's happened in his life and what he's done to survive, he'd be more paranoid of strangers than a conspiracy theorist in a government office. Still doesn't give anyone the right to be a toxic waste-dump of a person.
I see no one in the comments disagreeing with you, what are you talking about?
@@zachanikwano Might have been deleted
All I can wonder is this:
How many Adults out there lack the ability to reason above a kinder-grade level?
Probably way more than we think
Too many.
At least 49%
Too few, apparently.
in this case there four apparently. in other case you will find there so many adults are obsessed with something made from a keyboard by a man or a bot or a manbot they even going to make a ton of article about who should be blamed.
I just watched Jack Saint's video about the hate directed toward the actress who played Skylar in Breaking Bad and a lot of this is sounding very familiar. No accident that this kind of backlash usually only happens to women, see the stupid backlash directed at Rose in Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
Brie Larson, Kelly Marie Tran, Skylar from breaking bad (I don't know the actresses name), Lena Headey, I'm pretty sure the chick who played Arya Stark got shredded too, and that's just to name the women of recent memory that got harassed.
It’s pathetic how common this stuff is.
What is wrong with some people?
Similar things happened to the actor for Young anakin (Jake Lloyd) and the actor for jar jar (Ahmed Best), stuff like this seems to happen all across the board, people upset about something so they blame people who have nothing to do with the issue and harass them
@@beancheesedip8337 same thing with the actor for Joffrey and Chris Pratt for Infinity War, Just seems like bullies with no grasp on reality
@@joshuachurchill2858 That's true but over the years I've very much noticed that kind of behaviour toward females more readily. I've seen so many over the top comments about actors or comedians (panel show clips epecially) with that tinge of unwarranted anger and it honestly seems to come from a place where they want to find the female annoying or tear them down just because it's a female. I don' get it honestly, it's like they can't judge it without that frame of mind 🤷♂️
I just like to imagine how different these people's comments would be if they could be held accountable for them, perhaps fined with the money going to the victim. Death threats to a voice actor, how low (and how stupid) do you have to be for that to seem like a good idea.
Everyone who is sending Laura abuse, should have to fight Travis on the side of the street.
Assuming Laura doesn’t rough ‘em up first. She’s feisty and in pretty good shape herself.
Not to mention Ashley "poolhall" Johnson. Let's be real, they'd have to fight a veritable Tekken game's worth of VO actors to actually reach Laura.
And just a word of warning - Matt Mercer was a ranked SoulCalibur player back in the day.
@@TitaniaBird If it weren't for social distancing, there may be a good chance that they are hanging out with Ashley Johnson who'd likely be the most physical. And then the head of the attacker explodes anyway, because his whole worldview implodes, how could Ellie defend Abby?
@@TitaniaBird Yeah, that's a fair point!
Entire CR cast starts going around beating the shit out of ungas who sent Laura Bailey death threats. Eh, I’d support it.
"The street sharks aren't real either."
Just murder my innocence why don't you? 😥😥
Hey Jim, The Zombies are real.. they're still touring! They were even inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2019!
Are you sure they are real though?
www.buzzfeed.com/danielralston/the-true-story-of-the-fake-zombies-the-strangest-con-in-rock
Yeah, the transphobia really surprised me. See, I don't care about The Last of Us. Never played the first one, had no intention of playing the second one. Yet I kept hearing about how this "trans woman killed Joel." Imagine my surprise to find that the character who actually killed Joel is not trans. Yes, she's big. Yes, she has arms like pipes. Yes, she's masculine. So fucking what? Female bodybuilders exist. Big women exist. They aren't as common (or at least as commonly featured, due to this precise issue), but they exist. Yet it seems like plenty of people thought she was a man... Because she's thick. And even among those who didn't jump to stupid conclusions, many talking about the game can't resist constantly joking about her size, like it never gets old. How cloistered are people, really?
First, Abby was shown as a really muscular woman. Then, it was confirmed that the game will feature a trans character. So the dumb fucks made the connection that Abby must be trans and went mad.
Transphobia is a nonsensical word. No one is scared of trans people.
@@derp8575 so what would you call those people that fearmonger and claim a 'man' in the female bathrooms is a danger to those inside of it? as if being a cis man stops you from going inside a female bathroom anyway because a sign has a person in a dress on it?
@@derp8575 Terfs fear transwomen, they're like white supremacists who think the replacement theory is fucking real.
@@gem.scheltema "so what would you call those people that fearmonger and claim a 'man' in the female bathrooms is a danger to those inside of it?"
I don't know. Realistic? Because cases did increase.
Why does it matter where you piss in public? Question: LGBTQIA+ receives special protection against discrimination. Do you support adding "political affiliation" to that list? So Twitter, Facebook, TH-cam and other social media websites could not ban someone for being left or right wing?
It's a sad thing that this Jimquisition was necessary. But boy was it necessary.
Yeah, it’s bad enough to send death threats and abuse to actors due to something they themselves said in interviews or in real life, but to send them that kind of stuff because of something their character(Of which they usually have no say or control over) did is absurd.
I've seen this little by little when I was a kid growing up; people being rude to actors/writers/etc for things that a fictional character did way back when.
Still stupid then, more-so now.
AGREED. Even with what I said in my own comment, this was still necessary. Thank God for you, Jim.
Ooh! A wild "Repo: The Genetic Opera!" That was a pleasant surprise in the mire of unpleasant.
Right? I just got to that point and now want to rewatch the movie
Zydrate comes in a little glass vial
Right?
When the first Hunger Games film came out they changed the plot so that one of the characters didn't suffer major bodily harm, when in the book they lost a leg. One fan, who was fucking incensed by this, tried to sneak into the actors room and attempted to cut his leg off.
Ok, that is legit fucking terrifying.
What a freak, they need to be in prison
@@mekaelbayati8040 I do believe they were arrested, but I don't know if they're still in prison because I think they were 15 or 16
how the fuck would you expect to accomplish that? just pull out a hacksaw and proceed to slice at their leg for 20 minutes?
Was that Peeta? Didn't he lose his leg in the first book or something? It's been a while since I read them
You ever watch the movie "Misery"?
"I'm your #1 fan!"
Oh I see what fans do to the idols they adore!
I love how rational 2020 has been.
I’m considering going into hibernation so I can just wake up in 2021.
Most years have been like this, we notice more because we've got nothing to do
I'm pretty sure this century is fucked. I'd actually bet money on it. 2021 probably isn't thinking far enough ahead if I'm being honest.
@@Fisthammet I mean, the literal plague is back in Mongolia. The actual, OG black death plague.
"It's 2020 if we disagree on something I'm just straight up killing you"
Laura Bailey is *such* a wonderful person.
I can't believe there are muppets out there who think that she as an ACTOR has anything to do with the things they personally disliked about the storyline of TLOU2.
Anyway, Laura's a total boss and everyone should watch Critical Role. :P
She's honestly comparable to Troy Baker in terms of her range and roles. The thought of going after her for ONE role (which she performed as well as ever in!) after all her years of work in the industry is insane.
She cant hear you. Calm down, Lanzelot.
And Laura obviously doesn't need comparing to Troy or other mega stars of voice acting (despite the fact I just did so, trying to make a point), because her work speaks for itself- but damn, I don't think these idiots who went after her really comprehend the kind of respect she ought to command.
Why where her dms open
@ITS MAAAM hardly. She is quite the opposite. Alot of that crowd have criticised her in the past for not being femenist enough actually. Personally i think she's a great voice actor and very funny
Laura is one of my favourite voice actors, along with Liam O'Brien. Both have voiced some of my favourite characters, some being Kaine and Grimoire Weiss and Kain. They're both so fun to watch on Critical Role.
These people who sent those messages are such low lives.
How could someone hate the voice of jester?
To this day Laura's draw dropping delivery as Kaine for Nier's opening still holds a special place in my heart.
If you wish a character hadn’t died... that’s what fan-fiction’s for!
And promotional crossovers. Just think, if Playstation All-Stars got sequels like Smash Bros did, Joel and Elly would probably be in it!
I’ve written a lot of fanfiction.net works in the past couple of months. As I’m currently an adult, many of my works are M rated.
OOF
if only The Gamers had skills outside of video games,,, hmmm……..
This reminds me of the time when Anna Gunn (Skylar from Breaking Bad) received death threats from deranged fans for what Skylar did on BB
I was going to harass Dean Norris but as he was killed by neo nazi meth dealers then I didn't really see the point.
Contrary-wise, I bet nobody fucks with Zachary Quinto for what Sylar did on Heroes.
It especially wreaked of sexism there because Skylar was one of the least scummy characters. She sucked pretty hard but it was a show full of child murderers & viewers somehow only felt personally hurt by her.
Reminds me of when the girl that played Rose from Last Jedi was harassed after the movie came out-to the point where she had to delete her Twitter.
tbh Twitter is a cesspool, everyone should steer clear.
That was pathetic. I wasn't a fan of the character but it wasn't her fault and I got over it about 30 seconds after the movie ended.
@@vivisect53 Agree, really don't like the character of Rose Tico but felt Kelly had done the best she could with the material she was given, and was pissed when I saw how Episode IX basically kicked her aside to appease the fanbase.
We are in the middle between dumbass and crypto-fascist game and movie directors, and toxic fascist fanbase. There is no hope.
@@vivisect53 IKR, seriously if anyone's to blame it's the incompetent writers and a director who actively wanted to flip the bird at fans for the failings of the character. I mean, the actress did the best she could with the feces given to her, the fact that the only thing offensive in her performance is how mediocre it is says more about her immense talent in that she could take absolute trash and turn it into something annoyingly average,
You lost me at trying to claim the street sharks ain't real.
If they aren't real who makes all the pot holes?
I think he was being ironic there. Street Sharks are definitely real, and we should start blaming the actor who plays Jim Sterling for saying otherwise!
Thank god the Dino Saucers are still real
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right ?
Next thing you know they'll be trying to tell us there are no Biker Mice on or from Mars
He is talking out of his ass. If the street sharks aren't real how could they meet up with the extreme dinosaurs?
_"Also Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and Street sharks aren't real!"_
Whoa whoa whoa, you take that back!
SirusDiarota Hey! You take that shit back for real!
Jim is going after my childhood REEEEE
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Queen of England!
Just say "Santa Claus ain't real" one more time. I dare you..
I second that!
Attacking voice actors for hating the game is a childish move.
Even children are capable of abstracting the situation...an actress is not the figure she portraits. These people are just dumb morons
Rain is also wet. And night is often dark.
@@vivavideo-videofilmer morons that are encouraged by opportunitistic A-holes that promote said behavior for Dem clickbaits
as is making videos about it.
Ah yes.....I actually enjoyed CatShitOne. It gave me something I yearned for: a modern war setting with anthro animals.
The one thing about furries that intrigues me. When I first discovered furries I thought about the potential of anthro policemen and anthro soldiers being able to sniff out bombs and targets, and lynxs being able to detect and hit targets in hard to see places thanks to their ears, but being kept far away from firefights and bombing runs. Or a tank crew of moles digging into the ground through the floor hatch after their tank goes kaput. Or a bat or eagle fighter pilot carrying on the fight after his/her plane gets destroyed. Same for a gunship pilot. Or a crew of sharks and orcas escaping to recrew another destroyer or cruiser after their ship's rudder was damaged and a hail of shells were descending on their craft.
But unfortunately that hasn't been severely tapped into. Instead relegating to stuff about sex and genuinely weird crap.
Though there are some artists that make some good stuff. And it's strange how attractive they can make these cartoonish animals looks with a few tweaks. Check Miles DF for examples. And maybe.....just maybe...Koul Fardreamer.....
Oh yeah. Check out Zengel on Deviantart. Beautiful works. And a story to follow.
I must also warn you of the void.....stay away from it comrade...
"The devil has enough advocates, Mate"
I literally do thank God for Jim.
Despite the depressing nature of the point of discussion here, his videos always feel uplifting to me. I'm glad we have somebody so articulated to be the voice for positive change in the gaming community.
Today I feel like shit physically and emotionally and I'm just letting Jimquisitions roll on autoplay, it really makes all the difference for me.
Seriously, thank you, Jim.
I’m reminded of the episode of family guy where Mayor Adam West watches a movie, freaks out at the fictional characters peril, and send his entire town’s police force to Peru to rescue them.
That’s how bad 2020 has been. People are making Mayor Adam West seem like a reasonable depiction of a human.
You'll thank him for the cemented graves when no zombies eat your brain.
Lancer Guy Oh yeah, I remember that episode, if only because that’s where Stewie’s “Cool hWhip” running gag came from. And yeah, that’s these people in a nutshell.
A few corrections, though. Romancing the Stone, the movie in question, was set in Colombia, not Peru. And he didn’t send the entire police force. Joe stayed behind in Quahog because apparently South America is “not wheelchair accessible” for some reason.
@@colonelmustang854 My experience being Brazilian and having a parent with mobility issues is that Joe is right.
Stuff like that has been going on for decades. It's not a problem of 2020, it's a general problem of humanity.
Wait but if fictional characters aren’t real then how did lancer from fate/stay night make this comment 😳😳
I love it when Jim tears into garbage people like this. It actually gives me more hope than people just saying it’ll get better or times are changing cause he breaks it down to the core
@Viktor Pedrova
Nobody? Really?...
Nobody at all...?
@@whiskeycompany13 why should the 99.5% have to apologize for these wackjobs?
I don't like it, as there's no chance any of these cretins even watch Jim.
If this is therapy for Jim, his catharsis leaves _me_ feeling sad and angry, for what?
Just to motivate me to give one of these clowns a lashing if I ever ran across one?
_I was already going to do that._
@@dom4139 Oh if only it was .5% of GAAAAAMERRRRRRRRS that were this crazy and hateful.
@Viktor Pedrova and just like that u revealed urself to be a mental gymnastic reactionary.
Thank you Jim for introducing people to Repo: The genetic Opera! Always showing that you have a mixture of class & crass!
Was looking for someone’s comment who saw the reference! Movie is a gem.
I'm friends with a voice actor. He said he's had to get restraining orders from people harassing him because they can't separate the fictional character from the actor. A couple times he'd get girls' hair in lockets and love letters.
I used to watch youtube videos of voice actor panels at conventions and Sam Regal once told an anecdote about a fan who called him from prison. According to him, the guy who was very straightforward and polite, but he camly responded to him and then got scared and hung up. Fellow voice actor Neil Kaplan, also at the panel, joked that the guy would break out and try to track him down. Yuri Lowenthal then joked that Sam's phone number was a common barter item in prison.
😨
I like how this is just twenty minutes of Jim trying to explain common sense.
But common sense isn't common and has never been.
What is common sense is different from person to person
@@natanoj16 bullshit. common sense is common sense for the majority. Of course some idiots will behave different but thats it
@@natanoj16 Yeah, I would instead ask this:
Common sense, or common decency?
Because common decency is more widely accepted than common sense at this point due to the fact that you can find some common ground.
... That's a lotta in common.
@@Drake00000010 "common sense" is entirely relative to the era and culture it takes place in. It's not as "common" as you may think. anything can be end up being described as "common sense" and that's concerning.
There is as much common sense around as Social Media is/are social...
Jim saying "that makes me sound rational" has incredible reaction GIF potential.
I'm someone who has had an issue of actually being able to tell the difference between characters and actors before, especially when I was younger. It's embarrassing to admit but frankly my embarrassment is not nearly as important as the chance to maybe help a person or two who is like me. If you are and you're reading this comment, I'll give you a tactic I used to help separating the two in your mind:
First, clear your mind except for the concept that the slate is clean, you've never met this person before. Immerse yourself in this concept as if it was a world you inhabit. Second, look up the actor doing something mundane and harmless, and repeat to yourself that this is who that person is. You know this person, you know their job, you know they aren't actually hurting anybody. All that's left is for the rest of you to know it too. If you notice intrusive thoughts, *don't blame yourself*, and *don't blame yourself for blaming yourself*. You're trying to build a new habit, it takes time.
Even if a bit simplistic, I hope this helps as a framework for noticing and responding to strong emotions in a more mindful way. For something more in-depth, I recommend looking up DBT.
I never had a huge problem, but when I was younger I didn't really understand acting, and actors in the 90s were strongly typecast which made it easy to assume that that's who they really were. But for me it helps to watch interviews. For example Lena Headey is a real darling in interviews and it's impossible to see her as Cercei. Somehow harassing a voice actor is doubly weird because they don't even have the same face and body. How do you confuse them?
Human brains literally cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality, which is why so many tend to hate the actors who play such awful, bratty characters. It takes selfdecipline in order to tell the difference and treat these people fairly but most don't have that discipline, gamerboys especially.
Edit: people are assuming I struggle with telling the difference between reality and fiction, because I'm aware of a relatively recent psychological fact about the human mind and everyone's reacting as if I've insulted them by it, even though they claim to not be affected by this problem.
First off, if it doesn't apply to you then stop reacting as if it does. Secondly, it's not an insult so much as it's fact that humans act more on misinformation and faith than they do logic and reason. (If anything, all the vitriol I've gotten for this comment is evidence enough to prove it--you're all reacting to a hypothetical scenario that didn't happen--never mind the embittering circumstances that inspired not just the comment thread but the video we just watched.)
People are acting out and threatening a voice actor for a role she played and this has been a long standing problem.
Alison Arngrim, who played Nellie Oleson on Little House on the Prairie, has been assaulted several times for her role, with people going as far as chucking bottles at her head. She jokes about it now, saying that the assault was the signifier that let her know that she made it [in the industry,] but that doesn't make what happened to her okay, and she's only one of hundreds of examples I can pick from. I chose her because that quote, "it's when I had a bottle thrown at my head that I knew I made it," left quite the impression on my psyche. I was horrified for Alison and, like now, was actually in the minority opinion. My family and friends at the time actually _blamed her_ for taking the role in the first place and expected her to "know better," all because they hated the fictional character. How fucked up is that?
Anyway, minor tangent aside, most people struggle with fiction. It's why you can't always leave a make-believe world after reading the last book in a series or why you sometimes hate someone after having a bad dream about them. None of this is bad unless you act upon that instinct. Asking for space so you can process the dream is fine but hitting your partner and yelling at them for what they did in said dream is not and these entitled gamer boys, are doing just that. They're even threatening innocent _toddlers_ for Christ's sake. Instead of being mad at me (for something you should Google first) try and save that anger for those who've actually done harm and do something about it.
@@kaizokujimbei143 In my country people of all ages and gender (yes, including elderly woman) have attacked actors in public places based on the characters they played... But yeah, using the "bigot/loser in the basement" argument is definitely the way of solving things.
Usually a healthy mind can tell the difference between fiction and reality. (Right down to being able to tell CGI doesn't look like real life, even if it... does. Such as in modern games or Disney remakes like TLK.) But for the people who can't, it's good to have tools to cope with that and not turn into these kinds of monsters sending horrid threats and slurs to the actual real people. I'm glad you have some advice to offer them!
@@NoirRaven Yes they can. Our brains are literally built to filter out bullshit, so to speak. If you can't, you've either trained yourself to think that way by over-immersing in fiction, or your brain is not behaving the way it's meant to.
Okay I'll play into it...why not..
Of course her character has muscles, she's been carrying weapons and supplies on her back and fighting fucking zombies. She would be jacked.
That, and (spoilers, advance at your own discression, reader)
from what I've heard, not yet having played the game myself, she's part of what comes close to the biggest army that world still has. She also is a front-line fighter who probably has to use meleé-fighting a lot, and has very steady access to proteins via meat. If anybody in TLOU2 is ripped, it should be someone in her position.
It is explicitly told in the story that she trains hard and it's shown that she values training higher than anything else, almost as an obsession. We also see that they have weight lifting facilities at the base.
Whenever people complain about this, it's obvious that they didn't actually play part 2 of the game.
So does Ellie.
@@jekblom123 She too is a touch "swole, as it were" near that game's conclusion|
You know what, I vaguely get it: I get getting upset over the events in a story.
I'm the guy who stopped playing Shadow of the Colossus because it felt wrong to kill the Colossi.
I'm the guy who will never do a genocide run in Undertale.
I'm the guy who nearly didn't finish Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty when Emma Emmerich was killed by Vamp.
I'm the guy who drops all kinds of media after a character I love dies in an unsatisfying way and will have it haunt me for days to weeks or more as the thought festers.
*And I still never once thought of sending death threats to the creators who wrote these things into being, much less the actors who merely sold their performances.*