It's weird. People call smart animals, people. People means human. But we don't call non-human people, humans, only people. Giraffes would not be HUMAN, that is just a species to which they do not and never will belong. That wouldn't make them any less, as people, but it's an important difference. I'm human. I'm a person. I'm trans. I've known since I was a toddler, and known absolutely since very early grade school < 2nd? >. The argument they make, about brainwashing, is insane. When I was in school, and WHERE I was when I realized, if there were trans people, we didn't know. We, kids, weren't educated at all. We were entirely kept in the dark. I was made to believe I was a freak. I was beat severely, and I mean beat, not just beat up but that too, for "acting" . . . like me. Abuse of any form with the intent to manipulate someone's mind, is 100% brainwashing. There's another great argument. These people, the very ones who are calling people who have nothing to do with who another person is < besides just accepting them and trusting them >, are the ones who seem to thrive off abusing people who are different. It's human nature. Or it was. It's incredibly outdated at this point and really needs to stop.
I agree except that I think we’d need to adjust our social definition of human if something changed because whether we like it or not, the title of “human” is something that’s very important to people and as a general rule the people who systemically tried to deny that title often do a lot of other bad things
If a trans woman isn't going to be allowed to use the women's restroom, where is she supposed to pee? Is she supposed to simply sit at home and not take part in public life? If a trans girl is not allowed to play on the girls' track team, where should she play? Should she run on a track team of her very own, competing against herself, the only trans girl in high school int he entire state? Or should she sit at home and watch television? No, don't just shrug, give me an answer. Also: #RIPGOP
Had you considered the option that trans woman can just pee and play in...... the man spaces? The whole fault of your questions is that the spaces you are asking for trans people already exist, they just match the biological sex they were born as. And so, the problem with trans spaces is not that there are no dedicated spaces for them to play, change clothes, or answer the call of nature (they do), it's that trans people want appropriate the spaces of the sex they are transitioning into as their own. And this appropriation is what causing a lot of problems today, especially in female dedicated spaces into which man in dresses calling themselves "tarns woman" can enter for the sake of doing many malicious things.
Create a third bathroom for both. Or maybe instead of having public bathrooms, we should go back to private. I'd rather wait than give up my privacy as a woman. Also its not that people are saying trans people cant play sports recreationally...but not completively when they could have an unfair advantage. It sucks but a lot of other people cant are unable to compete competively for a variety of reasons. Trans people arent special for transitioning their gender.
@@kpoppy9635 1) That's a lot of restrooms, or else a lot of lack of restrooms. Either we put public accommodations to immense expense and difficulty, or we...ruin things for everyone? Neither of those seem like rational answers to me. Why not just pee and wash your hands and get out? 2) Can you name a sport where trans women or trans girls have a substantial advantage? Where all of the records have been set by trans women, where all of the champions are trans? The International Olympic Committee has established rules under which trans athletes compete - why should middle school volleyball be more restrictive?
@@arcadiaberger9204 Both trans girls and trans guys should honestly just use the male bathroom, since obviously a trans man would want to, and a trans woman won't be a threat to biological males. As for sports, the point isn't that there isn't a sport where all the records set are by trans women, the point is that trans women have a biolgical advantage over biological women, primarily due to greater bone density and greater muscle mass, as well as broader hands and feet, and in, say, sports like basketball, greater height. Perhaps a seperate sport division should be created exclusively for trans men, and another for trans women, this I think would be a good idea, but trans women should not compete with biological women due to the aforementioned advantages.
A trans person urinating in a public restroom should not be an issue but unfortunately everyone feels as though they should have an opinion on it. Trans people just want to use the restroom in peace, it’s not right to bar them from utilizing what are essentially facilities for a basic human need just because their existence makes snowflake conservatives uncomfortable. Where are all the trans people who are supposedly misusing the public restrooms? You’d think there would be news converage on it, but everyone is caught up on the hypothetical scenario that plays on negative trans stereotypes rather than actual statistics and research. Trans people have their own independent lives. How they choose to live does not concern anyone. They are people, and they aren’t hurting anyone for being trans, so why is hate and violence against them so accepted in society? It really does make you think
I appreciate the analogy and agree, Unfortunately when many people hear a hypothetical that doesn't sound realistic they have an emotional reaction to that and focus on that instead of tracking the actual logic. I find the step mother/sister/brother to be a good analogy, they don't possess the biological aspect but are still just as much seen as their titles.
@@kpoppy9635 Do you want to exclude your stepsister, though? What if she's a naturalized citizen? That's another analogy I use. A person who was born in China but has been naturalized a U.S. citizen is an American for all legal purposes (aside from serving as President or Vice President).
@arcadiaberger9204 that's what you don't get...I don't see them as a sister. I'll call them by their name and use she/he/they pronouns cause that's how they see themselves....but I'm not going into the bathroom with them. That's where I draw the line. That's not really the same thing cause 1. They just want access to the country, not my privacy. 2. Being a different ethnicity is not the same as gender. For one thing you can't "transition" ethnicities. You can learn the culture of a country but you can't change your race or where you came from. In fact, that would be racist to try.
@@kpoppy9635 Well, this shows how the map is not the territory, I suppose. No analogy is perfect. The question remains, where is a trans woman supposed to pee? Is it really rational of you to demand that she scramble around looking for a gender-neutral restroom, or worse yet, try to use a men's room in spite of being a woman, just to please your vanity?
Most people, conservatives and liberals, don't have an issue with passable people. Its the giraffe with no human traits what so ever that is the issue for most people. (Gender dysphoria and not fitting social constructs are not the same) We have lots of people who dont fit into gender norms being told they're trans now because they dont fit into gender norms which is sexist, bigoted, and transphobic to people with actual gender dysphoria. The damage is more from my left than the perceived bigotry of the right or minority groups (black specifically over the last few years).
What % of the US population falls into those categories? There's a lot of talk about them and how we all need to do better, but how many of them are there really?
My late wife was, if anything, more cisgender than most cis women (to judge by how comfortable she was while pregnant, how easily she gave birth, how much she enjoyed sex, &c.), yet she was frequently mistaken for either a cis man or a trans woman.
@arcadiaberger9204 I am sorry for your loss, it sounds like you're using past tense, and I hope the babies are okay! FYI, cis is a derogatory word used to lump various diverse groups of people together. Heterosexual is not a gender. Homosexual is not a gender. Dialectics is where social reformists begin their manipulation of society.
The problem with your analogy is that we already have a word for what you are talking about "person", not "human". Those giraffes would be people, but they wouldn't be human. The very reason we call them "human rights" is to deny them to animals. Quite frankly, why _shouldn't_ most animals _already_ have the majority of those rights? There is very clear evidence that a lot of mammals have personhood. If we called them "person rights", then there would be good argument for given a _lot_ of animal species those same rights, so we call them human rights precisely to stop those argument already.
That’s the point I’m making though, that “human” with respect to “human rights” is not the same as “biological human”. Thus giraffes would be human *in all the ways that matter*. Yes we also have another term, “person,” but people who oppose giraffe rights would argue in the basis that they’re not human specifically, thus my argument
@@edgierthanthou Yes, they would, because that is _precisely_ why they are called human rights, to deny them to animals. The word "human" in "human rights" was chosen precisely _because_ of its biological significance. The intent was to stop people arguing that non-human animals should have them too. A lot of animals should have those right _right now._ You don't fix the problem by claiming they are "human in the ways that matter" you fix the problem by changing the definition of who should be allowed those rights. You will never convince people that a dolphin is a human, because it isn't. You _can_ convince them that a dolphin is a person.
@martind2520 I don’t know whether I buy that that’s the reason we call them human rights, but more importantly, we aren’t convincing someone a dolphin is a human, we’re asking them to reframe what they think of as belonging to that category, which mostly just requires them to be more consistent A lot of animals deserve more rights, but *human* rights include things like voting, fair trial, legal counsel, etc., aka stuff that dolphins don’t care about or want, but stuff that my giraffes would care about or want. So yes dolphins deserve more rights but the category we call “human rights” is not what we should be giving them because why would they care
Wow, this is amazing. I started looking at other videos of yours, because you’ve definitely gained a long time follower in me, and it’s amazing that you create such well rounded responses to social issues for so little viewers. I assumed you were a creator with millions of views. All this to say, you’re truly doing great work, keep it up 🙌
It's honestly pretty frustrating how transphobes will deny the existence of gender as a social construct despite the fact that as social creatures, we will always experience fluid socially constructed behaviors based on inherent differences between each one of us. Like it's not even a debate, social conditioning is an observable thing !! Also, your analogy (really good one btw) reminds me of something I once read that I thought was incredibly accurate: "for transphobes, it's only okay to be a feminine man or a masculine woman when we're talking about a trans person"
The idea that you can flip flop and change your gender sure feels like a social construct. I think the issue is people think they HAVE to like "man" stuff or they aren't a man, or the other way around. Do what you want. But if you're a man and you dress up like a woman and wear make up and blah blah blah that's fine, but you're still a man. And that's ok. You can be a woman and love monster trucks and guns, doesn't make you a man. Gender isn't a cute little hat you pick each morning.
Thats a weird word. Wouldnt that mean people have a phobia of trans people? So an irrational fear? I think alot of people will only take things so far, and when you ask them to call a duck a dog, they draw the line.
A) “your car has a hydrophobic coating, doesn’t that mean it has a phobia of water? So an irrational fear?” B) men and women are not comparable to ducks and dogs lol
I think it's a mistake to say sapient giraffes are human in the ways that matter. I think it's better to say they're people - use the term "person" when talking about social roles, moral rights and obligations etc and use the term "human" when talking about biology. You know. just like we do with the terms "gender" and "sex".
@@edgierthanthou yeah that's a problem alright. No good option but I think changing the term human rights to person's rights is less of a hurdle than changing human to mean something other than the biological meaning.
@@birkett83 my point is that human already isn’t biological (in normal conversation). We wouldn’t be able to tell stories about AI becoming human if that very concept was foreign
Uh, "human" usually refers to moral rather than the biological concept in everyday conversation because the only people we know exist are human. If we met sapient alien giraffes tomorrow we'd need words to distinguish between the moral and biological concepts. I agree the bigots would harp on about the phrase "human rights" as if language was unchangeable (just like they do for the sex/gender distinction), but there's too many contexts like "human DNA" or "human fossils" where the word human refers specifically to the biology. Changing the phrase "human rights" to "persons rights" is less messy than making up a new word for the species.
Incredible LEGO UCS Razorcrest in the background! My family was very tempted to get one for themselves! You must really like the show. Should I watch it? Is it worth the hype? Now, I want to comment on the actual video. See, I generally disagree, but I wanted to give some food for thought and potentially share some ideas. Ah, and understand your argument more. Firstly, I want to argue there are actually three categories when trans issues are brought up. Social, biological, and moral. See, many people end up disagreeing with (sorry, very particular example incoming) a ftm transition being in a man's bathroom because "a woman looking at a man's penis in the men's bathrooms is sexually immoral or is sexual promiscuity". While that argument ends up being simple and possibly shallow (and there are other arguments to be made anyways), it shouldn't be disregarded. You need to be able to appeal to people emotionally. No one will agree with you if you can't do that. Secondly, while it is true that the word "man" is used both biologically and socially, we cannot pick and choose which it is used for. Most people do this anyway, I myself do this anyways. Yet, I completely and fully understand the implications behind the word. While a man that is weak, cowardly, and short may be called a "sis" or "girly", he is still ultimately a man (or atleast a boy). We don't confuse that. Instead, we specify which we are talking about with additional words. When we are talking about biology, we use "biological man". To disregard any arguments that fail to specify would be ineffective at appealing to the people. Instead, be sure to get your definitions right between both sides of the conversation before it becomes a mean-spirited argument. Lastly, I hope to hear your opinions on this topic and that we can have a friendly conversation on this complicated issue. Cheers! - Vault76
I’m not sure what your point was? Proving that if giraffes were sentient then they become human, and therefore trans women who fit the role of women should become women and vice versa with trans men? You could still point out that biologically, humans and giraffes are very different. Human is a biological term at its core. Your argument focuses mostly on equal rights and voting, and yeah, absolutely, trans people deserve the rights to vote and legally own a house and everything. But that doesn’t change the fact that trans women are biologically different than women, and same with trans men and men. The biological differences become more serious when you factor in sports and bathrooms and sex segregated spaces
Yeah you’re missing the point. “Human” is for the VAST majority of the population NOT used as a biological term. When we say “X is inhuman,” we are not saying “X is biologically distinct from genus Homo,” we are describing a kind of behavior. Gender is the same way. Trans women and cis women have differences but “woman” isn’t a biological term (and those who pretend to the contrary are actively altering language while pretending they aren’t), and thus has no bearing on whether they’re both women.
1) If a trans woman isn't going to be allowed to use the women's restroom, where is she supposed to pee? Is she supposed to simply sit at home and not take part in public life? 2) If a trans girl is not allowed to play on the girls' track team, where should she play? Should she run on a track team of her very own, competing against herself, the only trans girl in high school int he entire state? Or should she sit at home and watch television? No, don't just shrug, give me an answer.
@@arcadiaberger9204 Had you considered the option that trans woman can just pee and play in...... the man spaces? The whole fault of your questions is that the spaces you are asking for trans people already exist, they just match the biological sex they were born as. And so, the problem with trans spaces is not that there are no dedicated spaces for them to play, change clothes, or answer the call of nature (they do), it's that trans people want appropriate the spaces of the sex they are transitioning into as their own. And this appropriation is what causing a lot of problems today, especially in female dedicated spaces into which man in dresses calling themselves "tarns woman" can enter for the sake of doing many malicious things.
@@viktoria_pikovsky men can enter our bathrooms without needing to transition lol. if you think a sign on a door will stop them.... and no they can't, because you see trans women as men so you don't realize that they can be more feminine and look more like biological women than we ourselves do. and in turn, would you like the trans men, some of which are very clearly men, with muscles and height and facial hair and deep voices, in the women's room ? no, you don't. if you do then you're going against your own point.
I don't agree with the trans movement, but your argument was well articulated. I do have some things to argue though While gender is in a way a social construct it still doesn't negate the fact that it's an actual physical and biological factor. Rather than identifying as a woman, why don't you just try breaking the social boundaries and do "woman" things as a man? Why do you feel the need to change your whole identity? Isn't becoming another gender just so you can act like the other gender reinforcing the labels that men and women experience? Also if gender is just a social construct why do some trans people feel as though they have to dress up as the opposite gender? Isn't that reducing genders to just cosmetics and appearences rather than an actual identity? Btw I don't mean to be rude, and I don't think I'll ever agree with being trans, but I do wanna understand your thought process behind that.
1) why is gender a biological thing? What led you to that conclusion? 2) trans people identify w a particular gender because that’s what they want. Being a feminine man and being a trans woman are two different experiences. It’s as simple as that. 3) dressing femme as a trans woman isn’t a reinforcement of gender roles any more than any other woman. Trans women can dress however they want. Some like dresses, some don’t, just like any woman.
Luckily for trans people, their existence is not predicated on your approval or agreement. They just are. Why are you so concerned with how people live their lives in relation to their genitals?
@@shelbyb9965 Why are you so uptight about me having an opinion that doesn't affect you? The reason I don't ask you guys questions is because you're always so damn uptight about everything. You guys complain about people being misinformed on the trans people, but when people actually try asking questions they're met with hostility. At least this video was informative. You're just whining that I have an opinion.
@@edgierthanthouChildren do not have a right to live a lie that all society must cater to rans ideology should not be indoctrinated into children It is child abuse I, like many others, have pulled a total 180 on this topic We will never relent against it.
The movie Ted2 is about what it means to be human. U come away understanding that it’s a social construct
I hate to say I haven’t seen it, but that doesn’t surprise me.
“I’m sorry, you need to be a bIoLoGiCaL human to be treated as a person”
It's weird. People call smart animals, people. People means human. But we don't call non-human people, humans, only people. Giraffes would not be HUMAN, that is just a species to which they do not and never will belong. That wouldn't make them any less, as people, but it's an important difference.
I'm human. I'm a person. I'm trans. I've known since I was a toddler, and known absolutely since very early grade school < 2nd? >.
The argument they make, about brainwashing, is insane. When I was in school, and WHERE I was when I realized, if there were trans people, we didn't know. We, kids, weren't educated at all.
We were entirely kept in the dark. I was made to believe I was a freak. I was beat severely, and I mean beat, not just beat up but that too, for "acting" . . . like me.
Abuse of any form with the intent to manipulate someone's mind, is 100% brainwashing. There's another great argument. These people, the very ones who are calling people who have nothing to do with who another person is < besides just accepting them and trusting them >, are the ones who seem to thrive off abusing people who are different.
It's human nature. Or it was. It's incredibly outdated at this point and really needs to stop.
I agree except that I think we’d need to adjust our social definition of human if something changed because whether we like it or not, the title of “human” is something that’s very important to people and as a general rule the people who systemically tried to deny that title often do a lot of other bad things
@@edgierthanthou That's a really good point and a good < horrible / horrific / terrifying > fact to point out.
If a trans woman isn't going to be allowed to use the women's restroom, where is she supposed to pee? Is she supposed to simply sit at home and not take part in public life?
If a trans girl is not allowed to play on the girls' track team, where should she play? Should she run on a track team of her very own, competing against herself, the only trans girl in high school int he entire state? Or should she sit at home and watch television?
No, don't just shrug, give me an answer.
Also: #RIPGOP
Had you considered the option that trans woman can just pee and play in...... the man spaces? The whole fault of your questions is that the spaces you are asking for trans people already exist, they just match the biological sex they were born as. And so, the problem with trans spaces is not that there are no dedicated spaces for them to play, change clothes, or answer the call of nature (they do), it's that trans people want appropriate the spaces of the sex they are transitioning into as their own. And this appropriation is what causing a lot of problems today, especially in female dedicated spaces into which man in dresses calling themselves "tarns woman" can enter for the sake of doing many malicious things.
Create a third bathroom for both. Or maybe instead of having public bathrooms, we should go back to private. I'd rather wait than give up my privacy as a woman.
Also its not that people are saying trans people cant play sports recreationally...but not completively when they could have an unfair advantage. It sucks but a lot of other people cant are unable to compete competively for a variety of reasons. Trans people arent special for transitioning their gender.
@@kpoppy9635 1) That's a lot of restrooms, or else a lot of lack of restrooms. Either we put public accommodations to immense expense and difficulty, or we...ruin things for everyone? Neither of those seem like rational answers to me. Why not just pee and wash your hands and get out?
2) Can you name a sport where trans women or trans girls have a substantial advantage? Where all of the records have been set by trans women, where all of the champions are trans? The International Olympic Committee has established rules under which trans athletes compete - why should middle school volleyball be more restrictive?
@@arcadiaberger9204 Both trans girls and trans guys should honestly just use the male bathroom, since obviously a trans man would want to, and a trans woman won't be a threat to biological males.
As for sports, the point isn't that there isn't a sport where all the records set are by trans women, the point is that trans women have a biolgical advantage over biological women, primarily due to greater bone density and greater muscle mass, as well as broader hands and feet, and in, say, sports like basketball, greater height. Perhaps a seperate sport division should be created exclusively for trans men, and another for trans women, this I think would be a good idea, but trans women should not compete with biological women due to the aforementioned advantages.
A trans person urinating in a public restroom should not be an issue but unfortunately everyone feels as though they should have an opinion on it. Trans people just want to use the restroom in peace, it’s not right to bar them from utilizing what are essentially facilities for a basic human need just because their existence makes snowflake conservatives uncomfortable.
Where are all the trans people who are supposedly misusing the public restrooms? You’d think there would be news converage on it, but everyone is caught up on the hypothetical scenario that plays on negative trans stereotypes rather than actual statistics and research.
Trans people have their own independent lives. How they choose to live does not concern anyone. They are people, and they aren’t hurting anyone for being trans, so why is hate and violence against them so accepted in society? It really does make you think
I appreciate the analogy and agree, Unfortunately when many people hear a hypothetical that doesn't sound realistic they have an emotional reaction to that and focus on that instead of tracking the actual logic. I find the step mother/sister/brother to be a good analogy, they don't possess the biological aspect but are still just as much seen as their titles.
Yeah but I still don't want my brother in the bathroom with me. Is that so wrong?
@@kpoppy9635 Do you want to exclude your stepsister, though?
What if she's a naturalized citizen? That's another analogy I use. A person who was born in China but has been naturalized a U.S. citizen is an American for all legal purposes (aside from serving as President or Vice President).
@arcadiaberger9204 that's what you don't get...I don't see them as a sister. I'll call them by their name and use she/he/they pronouns cause that's how they see themselves....but I'm not going into the bathroom with them. That's where I draw the line.
That's not really the same thing cause
1. They just want access to the country, not my privacy.
2. Being a different ethnicity is not the same as gender. For one thing you can't "transition" ethnicities. You can learn the culture of a country but you can't change your race or where you came from. In fact, that would be racist to try.
@@kpoppy9635 Well, this shows how the map is not the territory, I suppose. No analogy is perfect.
The question remains, where is a trans woman supposed to pee? Is it really rational of you to demand that she scramble around looking for a gender-neutral restroom, or worse yet, try to use a men's room in spite of being a woman, just to please your vanity?
Most people, conservatives and liberals, don't have an issue with passable people. Its the giraffe with no human traits what so ever that is the issue for most people. (Gender dysphoria and not fitting social constructs are not the same)
We have lots of people who dont fit into gender norms being told they're trans now because they dont fit into gender norms which is sexist, bigoted, and transphobic to people with actual gender dysphoria. The damage is more from my left than the perceived bigotry of the right or minority groups (black specifically over the last few years).
What % of the US population falls into those categories?
There's a lot of talk about them and how we all need to do better, but how many of them are there really?
@ZeSgtSchultz depending where you live, age, and the level of education, there are lots of young people being convinced they're transgender right now.
My late wife was, if anything, more cisgender than most cis women (to judge by how comfortable she was while pregnant, how easily she gave birth, how much she enjoyed sex, &c.), yet she was frequently mistaken for either a cis man or a trans woman.
@arcadiaberger9204 I am sorry for your loss, it sounds like you're using past tense, and I hope the babies are okay!
FYI, cis is a derogatory word used to lump various diverse groups of people together. Heterosexual is not a gender. Homosexual is not a gender. Dialectics is where social reformists begin their manipulation of society.
@odnewdylee cis is not derogatory. It does not refer to heterosexual people.
Cis is literally just the application of the opposite root from trans.
As always, phenomenal argument here. Really glad I found your channel.
Thanks! I really appreciate it
The problem with your analogy is that we already have a word for what you are talking about "person", not "human".
Those giraffes would be people, but they wouldn't be human. The very reason we call them "human rights" is to deny them to animals. Quite frankly, why _shouldn't_ most animals _already_ have the majority of those rights? There is very clear evidence that a lot of mammals have personhood.
If we called them "person rights", then there would be good argument for given a _lot_ of animal species those same rights, so we call them human rights precisely to stop those argument already.
That’s the point I’m making though, that “human” with respect to “human rights” is not the same as “biological human”. Thus giraffes would be human *in all the ways that matter*.
Yes we also have another term, “person,” but people who oppose giraffe rights would argue in the basis that they’re not human specifically, thus my argument
@@edgierthanthou Yes, they would, because that is _precisely_ why they are called human rights, to deny them to animals. The word "human" in "human rights" was chosen precisely _because_ of its biological significance. The intent was to stop people arguing that non-human animals should have them too.
A lot of animals should have those right _right now._ You don't fix the problem by claiming they are "human in the ways that matter" you fix the problem by changing the definition of who should be allowed those rights. You will never convince people that a dolphin is a human, because it isn't. You _can_ convince them that a dolphin is a person.
@martind2520 I don’t know whether I buy that that’s the reason we call them human rights, but more importantly, we aren’t convincing someone a dolphin is a human, we’re asking them to reframe what they think of as belonging to that category, which mostly just requires them to be more consistent
A lot of animals deserve more rights, but *human* rights include things like voting, fair trial, legal counsel, etc., aka stuff that dolphins don’t care about or want, but stuff that my giraffes would care about or want.
So yes dolphins deserve more rights but the category we call “human rights” is not what we should be giving them because why would they care
@@edgierthanthou Should people be denied rights based upon how much they care about them?
@@martind2520 no, but that doesn’t change the fact that that’s how people tend to act.
enjoyed the giraffe analogy. subbed
I’m glad you liked it!
Reminds me of a line from one of the Star Trek movies:
Kirk: Deep down, everybody's human.
Spock: That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.
Wow, this is amazing. I started looking at other videos of yours, because you’ve definitely gained a long time follower in me, and it’s amazing that you create such well rounded responses to social issues for so little viewers. I assumed you were a creator with millions of views. All this to say, you’re truly doing great work, keep it up 🙌
Thanks! We’re slowly moving up in the world but I really appreciate it
It's honestly pretty frustrating how transphobes will deny the existence of gender as a social construct despite the fact that as social creatures, we will always experience fluid socially constructed behaviors based on inherent differences between each one of us. Like it's not even a debate, social conditioning is an observable thing !!
Also, your analogy (really good one btw) reminds me of something I once read that I thought was incredibly accurate: "for transphobes, it's only okay to be a feminine man or a masculine woman when we're talking about a trans person"
The idea that you can flip flop and change your gender sure feels like a social construct.
I think the issue is people think they HAVE to like "man" stuff or they aren't a man, or the other way around.
Do what you want. But if you're a man and you dress up like a woman and wear make up and blah blah blah that's fine, but you're still a man. And that's ok.
You can be a woman and love monster trucks and guns, doesn't make you a man.
Gender isn't a cute little hat you pick each morning.
Thats a weird word.
Wouldnt that mean people have a phobia of trans people?
So an irrational fear?
I think alot of people will only take things so far, and when you ask them to call a duck a dog, they draw the line.
A) “your car has a hydrophobic coating, doesn’t that mean it has a phobia of water? So an irrational fear?”
B) men and women are not comparable to ducks and dogs lol
I think it's a mistake to say sapient giraffes are human in the ways that matter. I think it's better to say they're people - use the term "person" when talking about social roles, moral rights and obligations etc and use the term "human" when talking about biology. You know. just like we do with the terms "gender" and "sex".
I’d agree except that specifically because the term is “human rights,” bigots would use that as the crux of their argument
@@edgierthanthou yeah that's a problem alright. No good option but I think changing the term human rights to person's rights is less of a hurdle than changing human to mean something other than the biological meaning.
@@birkett83 my point is that human already isn’t biological (in normal conversation). We wouldn’t be able to tell stories about AI becoming human if that very concept was foreign
Uh, "human" usually refers to moral rather than the biological concept in everyday conversation because the only people we know exist are human. If we met sapient alien giraffes tomorrow we'd need words to distinguish between the moral and biological concepts. I agree the bigots would harp on about the phrase "human rights" as if language was unchangeable (just like they do for the sex/gender distinction), but there's too many contexts like "human DNA" or "human fossils" where the word human refers specifically to the biology. Changing the phrase "human rights" to "persons rights" is less messy than making up a new word for the species.
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Now, I want to comment on the actual video. See, I generally disagree, but I wanted to give some food for thought and potentially share some ideas. Ah, and understand your argument more.
Firstly, I want to argue there are actually three categories when trans issues are brought up. Social, biological, and moral. See, many people end up disagreeing with (sorry, very particular example incoming) a ftm transition being in a man's bathroom because "a woman looking at a man's penis in the men's bathrooms is sexually immoral or is sexual promiscuity". While that argument ends up being simple and possibly shallow (and there are other arguments to be made anyways), it shouldn't be disregarded. You need to be able to appeal to people emotionally. No one will agree with you if you can't do that.
Secondly, while it is true that the word "man" is used both biologically and socially, we cannot pick and choose which it is used for. Most people do this anyway, I myself do this anyways. Yet, I completely and fully understand the implications behind the word. While a man that is weak, cowardly, and short may be called a "sis" or "girly", he is still ultimately a man (or atleast a boy). We don't confuse that. Instead, we specify which we are talking about with additional words. When we are talking about biology, we use "biological man". To disregard any arguments that fail to specify would be ineffective at appealing to the people. Instead, be sure to get your definitions right between both sides of the conversation before it becomes a mean-spirited argument.
Lastly, I hope to hear your opinions on this topic and that we can have a friendly conversation on this complicated issue.
Cheers! - Vault76
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Im so glad I found this channel this is a great explanation :)
Thanks! I’m glad it was worthwhile to you
I’m not sure what your point was? Proving that if giraffes were sentient then they become human, and therefore trans women who fit the role of women should become women and vice versa with trans men? You could still point out that biologically, humans and giraffes are very different. Human is a biological term at its core.
Your argument focuses mostly on equal rights and voting, and yeah, absolutely, trans people deserve the rights to vote and legally own a house and everything.
But that doesn’t change the fact that trans women are biologically different than women, and same with trans men and men. The biological differences become more serious when you factor in sports and bathrooms and sex segregated spaces
Yeah you’re missing the point.
“Human” is for the VAST majority of the population NOT used as a biological term. When we say “X is inhuman,” we are not saying “X is biologically distinct from genus Homo,” we are describing a kind of behavior.
Gender is the same way. Trans women and cis women have differences but “woman” isn’t a biological term (and those who pretend to the contrary are actively altering language while pretending they aren’t), and thus has no bearing on whether they’re both women.
1) If a trans woman isn't going to be allowed to use the women's restroom, where is she supposed to pee? Is she supposed to simply sit at home and not take part in public life?
2) If a trans girl is not allowed to play on the girls' track team, where should she play? Should she run on a track team of her very own, competing against herself, the only trans girl in high school int he entire state? Or should she sit at home and watch television?
No, don't just shrug, give me an answer.
@@arcadiaberger9204 Had you considered the option that trans woman can just pee and play in...... the man spaces? The whole fault of your questions is that the spaces you are asking for trans people already exist, they just match the biological sex they were born as. And so, the problem with trans spaces is not that there are no dedicated spaces for them to play, change clothes, or answer the call of nature (they do), it's that trans people want appropriate the spaces of the sex they are transitioning into as their own. And this appropriation is what causing a lot of problems today, especially in female dedicated spaces into which man in dresses calling themselves "tarns woman" can enter for the sake of doing many malicious things.
@viktoria_pikovsky that’s a lot of talk about a phenomenon so rare that conservatives literally have to fake instances of it.
@@viktoria_pikovsky men can enter our bathrooms without needing to transition lol. if you think a sign on a door will stop them.... and no they can't, because you see trans women as men so you don't realize that they can be more feminine and look more like biological women than we ourselves do. and in turn, would you like the trans men, some of which are very clearly men, with muscles and height and facial hair and deep voices, in the women's room ? no, you don't. if you do then you're going against your own point.
Truly stupid
But I encourage twanzactivists to keep yapping
It's how I pulled a total 180 on this topic
"You wouldn't say human is a social construct!"
[Laughs in otherkin / therian]
I don't agree with the trans movement, but your argument was well articulated. I do have some things to argue though
While gender is in a way a social construct it still doesn't negate the fact that it's an actual physical and biological factor. Rather than identifying as a woman, why don't you just try breaking the social boundaries and do "woman" things as a man? Why do you feel the need to change your whole identity? Isn't becoming another gender just so you can act like the other gender reinforcing the labels that men and women experience?
Also if gender is just a social construct why do some trans people feel as though they have to dress up as the opposite gender? Isn't that reducing genders to just cosmetics and appearences rather than an actual identity?
Btw I don't mean to be rude, and I don't think I'll ever agree with being trans, but I do wanna understand your thought process behind that.
1) why is gender a biological thing? What led you to that conclusion?
2) trans people identify w a particular gender because that’s what they want. Being a feminine man and being a trans woman are two different experiences. It’s as simple as that.
3) dressing femme as a trans woman isn’t a reinforcement of gender roles any more than any other woman. Trans women can dress however they want. Some like dresses, some don’t, just like any woman.
@@edgierthanthou If gender isn't biological, why then do trans people take hormones and undergo surgical proceduces to change their biology?
Luckily for trans people, their existence is not predicated on your approval or agreement. They just are. Why are you so concerned with how people live their lives in relation to their genitals?
"Don't agree" with people having an identity that doesn't affect you? Yikes bro.
@@shelbyb9965 Why are you so uptight about me having an opinion that doesn't affect you? The reason I don't ask you guys questions is because you're always so damn uptight about everything. You guys complain about people being misinformed on the trans people, but when people actually try asking questions they're met with hostility. At least this video was informative. You're just whining that I have an opinion.
I do not agree with you but I'm glad you don't have green hair and didn't talk about children.
Uh, idk why green hair would matter and kids deserve rights mate
@@edgierthanthouChildren do not have a right to live a lie that all society must cater to
rans ideology should not be indoctrinated into children
It is child abuse
I, like many others, have pulled a total 180 on this topic
We will never relent against it.
@@edgierthanthouTwanz is not a right, especially for kids
love it
Thanks!