I have a 6 month old German Shepherd/Pyrenees mix, she was a rescue. I’ve been stuck trying to decide between the ARC and 1900s, she’s just under 60lbs at the moment and isn’t very responsive to slip leads but is very responsive to prong corrections. I am leaning towards the arc because she is about 80% reliable with only verbal recall with distractions but I don’t want to buy a collar that she’ll outgrow in a couple months. The thicker hair around her neck and her estimated adult size (115 or so) make me a bit concerned about the arc making good connection.
It's hard to say without meeting your pup but based on the estimated weight, I would probably go with the 1900s. Because she is so big, it will definitely fit well and it will give you some extra room to go up with stimulation level (if needed). I don't think you need to worry about her physically out-growing the Arc but she may "out-grow" the stimulation level. Worst case scenario, you may get stuck using the higher end of the stimulation settings more regularly. It definitely sounds like you will need longer contact points for whichever collar you end up with!
@@OnlyTheBestForOurPets Thank you so much! I was originally looking at the 1900 but after seeing everyone rave about the ARC I wasn’t sure, the training facility I work at exclusively trains on educators but I’ve heard really good things about dogtra and wanted to try them out on my own pup
I have a 1 year old Doberman and I’m trying to decide. He needs just that extra touch for training. He can be very stubborn when encountering another dog or animals. He can lose his mind and not much can get his attention off of it
I have definitely used the Arc and the 1900s for Doberman in the past and I would imagine either one would work. The main consideration is probably going to be based around his expected size at maturity. If he is going to be on the smaller side, the Arc may seem a little less bulky. If he is expected to be 70 lbs or more, the 1900s may be more appropriate. The Arc is not quite as strong so there is a chance you may get stuck using the higher end of the stimulation levels. I personally don't mind if collars are a little bulky so if I am ever on the fence, I usually go with the stronger collar. I would rather use low numbers on the 1900s than high numbers on the Arc. It is always better to have some wiggle room to move up in stimulation.
I have been using mini Educator for my Shiba Inu, but newly adopted Malinois that seems to tank level 100 when he tapped into prey drive to chase after squirrel. The remote of strong version of Educator E-Collar is too bulky, so I am considering to switch over to Dogtra I wonder whether the 1900s remote can be paired with Arc collar? I just want to buy the extra collar and pair it with the remote, rather than carry 2 set of E -collars.
I have never tried it but I am pretty sure the 1900s remote is only compatible with 1900 series collars. I've successfully used the Arc on some Malinois in the past but tended to use the high end of the collar or continuous for big emergencies. In some cases, I still used the 1900s (even if it was bulky for the dog). Ultimately, just depends on the dogs temperament and stimulation sensitivity.
Yeah , the 1900 is definitely bulky in comparison. I really like the 1900 but the dog has to be big enough for it to fit without looking HUGE. Generally, the Arc works well for most large dogs and the 1900 is going to be for XL dogs or large dogs that just absolutely need the stronger stimulation.
Can the 1900S control a German Shepard that is a good dog but very protective over his turf. I know I need to 1st train what is acceptable behavior first but I’m hoping this can help control his rude behavior when accidental off-leash incounters with steet walkers in the neighborhood happen. The dog is 2 months old and about 60lbs at this time.
If you have the proper foundation put in place and the equipment is introduced/used appropriately, I am sure the 1900 will will do the trick. The 1900s is one of the strongest collars I have worked with so I know it definitely has the capacity BUT.....I can only speak on my experience as a professional dog trainer. I have seen a lot of "trainers" use ecollars the wrong way and it kind of limits the effectiveness. So I would recommend you find a reputable trainer to help you through the process. (Especially if your pup is only 2 months old)
I’m late this this but recommendation for a 40lb Heeler? I want the 1900s only due to the lack of vibration intensity on the ARC. Is the ARC vibration as bad as people say?
The vibrate on the 1900s is slightly stronger than the Arc. It has never really been a problem for me with either collar but I don't really use the vibrate feature that much in my training. The Arc will probably seem less bulky for a Cattle dog but I have definitely used the 1900s with Heelers before. If you can deal with the 1900s collar being a little bigger, it does not hurt to have a slightly stronger vibration and a slightly higher capacity for stimulation when it comes to these working breeds.
@@OnlyTheBestForOurPetsit looks like the 1900s it is. Thank you for your reply! My heeler is on the skinner side but it won’t be on 24/7 anyway, only during training sessions/walks and that’s it. I doubt it’ll interfere too much
Hello, I have a heeler and got the arc. We also got the enhanced contact points for his badger like neck lol. The vibrate is quite weak compared to any other collar I've seen. But I don't use it really at all. My boy is quite sensitive, in personality, and to stimulation but doesn't care about any collar vibration. 2-3, 5 boost for home/ yard work. Outdoor, depending on environment, 5-7 stimulation and 12-15 boost. He's been a journey of love to get him working. He was a vet tech school adoptee at a 1 1/2 year, extremely reactive, and just a wayward boy. He's now off leash trained, and we're working on our bedbug detection certification. The arc is not the end-all be-all solution. But it's a tool that helped make where we are now possible. I got the arc for the low profile, but trust your gut and whatever you do, do it for the betterment of your pup. :)
I have a 6 month old German Shepherd/Pyrenees mix, she was a rescue. I’ve been stuck trying to decide between the ARC and 1900s, she’s just under 60lbs at the moment and isn’t very responsive to slip leads but is very responsive to prong corrections. I am leaning towards the arc because she is about 80% reliable with only verbal recall with distractions but I don’t want to buy a collar that she’ll outgrow in a couple months. The thicker hair around her neck and her estimated adult size (115 or so) make me a bit concerned about the arc making good connection.
It's hard to say without meeting your pup but based on the estimated weight, I would probably go with the 1900s. Because she is so big, it will definitely fit well and it will give you some extra room to go up with stimulation level (if needed). I don't think you need to worry about her physically out-growing the Arc but she may "out-grow" the stimulation level. Worst case scenario, you may get stuck using the higher end of the stimulation settings more regularly. It definitely sounds like you will need longer contact points for whichever collar you end up with!
@@OnlyTheBestForOurPets Thank you so much! I was originally looking at the 1900 but after seeing everyone rave about the ARC I wasn’t sure, the training facility I work at exclusively trains on educators but I’ve heard really good things about dogtra and wanted to try them out on my own pup
I have a 1 year old Doberman and I’m trying to decide. He needs just that extra touch for training. He can be very stubborn when encountering another dog or animals. He can lose his mind and not much can get his attention off of it
I have definitely used the Arc and the 1900s for Doberman in the past and I would imagine either one would work. The main consideration is probably going to be based around his expected size at maturity. If he is going to be on the smaller side, the Arc may seem a little less bulky. If he is expected to be 70 lbs or more, the 1900s may be more appropriate. The Arc is not quite as strong so there is a chance you may get stuck using the higher end of the stimulation levels. I personally don't mind if collars are a little bulky so if I am ever on the fence, I usually go with the stronger collar. I would rather use low numbers on the 1900s than high numbers on the Arc. It is always better to have some wiggle room to move up in stimulation.
I have been using mini Educator for my Shiba Inu, but newly adopted Malinois that seems to tank level 100 when he tapped into prey drive to chase after squirrel. The remote of strong version of Educator E-Collar is too bulky, so I am considering to switch over to Dogtra
I wonder whether the 1900s remote can be paired with Arc collar? I just want to buy the extra collar and pair it with the remote, rather than carry 2 set of E -collars.
I don’t mean 2 dog system. I want to switch the primary collar with only one controller
I have never tried it but I am pretty sure the 1900s remote is only compatible with 1900 series collars. I've successfully used the Arc on some Malinois in the past but tended to use the high end of the collar or continuous for big emergencies. In some cases, I still used the 1900s (even if it was bulky for the dog). Ultimately, just depends on the dogs temperament and stimulation sensitivity.
That's a massive size difference! Looks like it's the ARK for me.
Yeah , the 1900 is definitely bulky in comparison. I really like the 1900 but the dog has to be big enough for it to fit without looking HUGE. Generally, the Arc works well for most large dogs and the 1900 is going to be for XL dogs or large dogs that just absolutely need the stronger stimulation.
Can the 1900S control a German Shepard that is a good dog but very protective over his turf. I know I need to 1st train what is acceptable behavior first but I’m hoping this can help control his rude behavior when accidental off-leash incounters with steet walkers in the neighborhood happen. The dog is 2 months old and about 60lbs at this time.
If you have the proper foundation put in place and the equipment is introduced/used appropriately, I am sure the 1900 will will do the trick. The 1900s is one of the strongest collars I have worked with so I know it definitely has the capacity BUT.....I can only speak on my experience as a professional dog trainer. I have seen a lot of "trainers" use ecollars the wrong way and it kind of limits the effectiveness. So I would recommend you find a reputable trainer to help you through the process. (Especially if your pup is only 2 months old)
I’m late this this but recommendation for a 40lb Heeler? I want the 1900s only due to the lack of vibration intensity on the ARC. Is the ARC vibration as bad as people say?
The vibrate on the 1900s is slightly stronger than the Arc. It has never really been a problem for me with either collar but I don't really use the vibrate feature that much in my training. The Arc will probably seem less bulky for a Cattle dog but I have definitely used the 1900s with Heelers before. If you can deal with the 1900s collar being a little bigger, it does not hurt to have a slightly stronger vibration and a slightly higher capacity for stimulation when it comes to these working breeds.
@@OnlyTheBestForOurPetsit looks like the 1900s it is. Thank you for your reply! My heeler is on the skinner side but it won’t be on 24/7 anyway, only during training sessions/walks and that’s it. I doubt it’ll interfere too much
Hello, I have a heeler and got the arc. We also got the enhanced contact points for his badger like neck lol. The vibrate is quite weak compared to any other collar I've seen. But I don't use it really at all.
My boy is quite sensitive, in personality, and to stimulation but doesn't care about any collar vibration.
2-3, 5 boost for home/ yard work. Outdoor, depending on environment, 5-7 stimulation and 12-15 boost.
He's been a journey of love to get him working. He was a vet tech school adoptee at a 1 1/2 year, extremely reactive, and just a wayward boy.
He's now off leash trained, and we're working on our bedbug detection certification. The arc is not the end-all be-all solution. But it's a tool that helped make where we are now possible.
I got the arc for the low profile, but trust your gut and whatever you do, do it for the betterment of your pup. :)
Hi, which would you recommend for a stubborn Husky? He is 25kg and almost a yr old.
Hey There! If I am working with a Husky, I am almost always going to use the 1900s with Longer Contact points.
What do you think would work for a 35 lb Australian Shepherd?
Probably going to go with the Arc with slightly longer contact points! It kinds of depends on the dogs age and temperament. how old is your pup?