Thank you so much for your support of the disabled Veterans. I am a Disabled Veteran my self and I know how it make them fell that someone cares. I would really like more more information on your dust collection in your new shop. Mostly how it is so quiet. I am trying to setup a very small wood shop to work in. Have to keep everything a good distance apart do to on bad days with my back I am in a electric wheelchair. But the VA has been good to me, that I have it do to I have to have it to go out shopping for food and other things. People like you and others on TH-cam make me want to get out and make thanks. Thanks again for what you and the people that work with you to try and help others. It is very important work, please do not stop.
Rob, so glad to hear you're investing in our veterans health and welfare. Extremely impressive and what a huge difference you'll make in these veterans lives. Thank you from an STGC(SW) Ret. U.S. NAVY. Love your videos.
Rob -- Thank you for what you're doing for wounded vets. My younger brother, an Iraq I war veteran, was recently diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. He's always worked with his hands and I know how comforting it's been for him to get a few minutes in his shop to work on a car (which is his passion, not wood). So, I know from observation how much help you're providing other vets who need a similar outlet. In a it's a small world note: If you graduated in the late 1980's, we were at university at the same time -- same campus, far different major. While at school, I got my introduction to woodworking at Wright's Furniture Mill in south Provo. I worked the night shift trying to pay for school and dates. Wright's cyclone was three-stories tall. Could that thing suck! One time it got clogged and I rappelled down a rope inside the cyclone to break-up the clog. I was not being paid enough!
I remember Wrights, in fact I bought several pieces of equipment from them when the closed their doors. Should say at auction, they went under sometime in the late 80's. I worked as the TA in 190 of the Snell Bldg from 1986-89.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking quick question. I have been watchimg your sharpening videos and really want to get a diamond stone. I know the Trends are the best, but as a beginner, will I notice the difference between it and a cheaper stone like a DMT duosharp? Is there a cheaper option than Trend other than sand paper (that is horrible!) I have a cheap water stone that is 1000,6000 grit, but I'm restoring 4 planes right now that need at least 300 if not 36 grit LOL Thank you for your videos, they are great and very encouraging! Keep it up! BTW, where are you located?
Hats off to your help for wounded vets. Being a vet and seeing how war has damaged them physically, and sometimes psychologically, any training and encouragement given to them will go a long way toward their quality of life. Thank you for your ministry to them.
First of all , I would like to say , God bless you for everything you do for all of the veterans !!! Next thing , I will be ordering some of your saws here shortly ( after Christmas) . Family comes first. Really like your videos. Thanks again 😎
Bless you for your work with Our Veterans. I had Oneida design my shop. Love it. 3 hp piped overhead with drops. Saw the comment about drops filling with dust. Start with the farthest gate open, shut it, go to next gate and open it slowly and it will clean out. Close it and continue on to all your gates opening slowly. No big deal to do every now and then.
The new shop & dust collection looks great. I love all of those made in Canada General tools. I do see a potential problem in your dust collection piping. When I did my dust collection system several years ago, I was told to never put the inlets on the bottom of the pipe. The reason was that some dust coming from down stream will settle out in the drops between the machine being used & the dust collector. If those drops are not used often, the dust that settles out will clog them.
Hi, Chris, just to put your mind at ease, I have a similar arrangement, with all of my drops coming from the bottom. Although you're right that some dust will indeed settle, the airflow seems to find its way mostly along the mains, and very little dust and debris will cause problems. I should mention that I have an 1,100 sq ft shop with a 3hp Oneida cyclone, a 7" main duct that goes into a 6" for the last 30% of the run. The drops coming off those two spiral main ducts are all 6", and narrow down to 5" to the separate gates and flex hoses.
Finally spent the money to install a cyclone and dust collection system and it was some of the best money I have spent in the shop. Interesting to know that there is a baffle available to make it quieter. Good vid as always.
great video, thanks. i'm looking to upgrade my dust/chip collection as well.. right now i have a rollaround delta shop master 1 hp(LOL) with a garbage can separator made with a lid from busy bee. i will check out the stuff from onieda
I think I'd have set up that shop so on break and lunch time you could bowl a few frames, then go back to work. Just that tiny bit of f&r helps make the day funner.
I submitted my application for purple hart project. Wood working has helped me so much with my anger and other medical conditions. It brings a sense of purpose and calmness when doing wood working
Rob stop it your killing me man. My kingdom for a workshop like that. All I’d need is to install a toilet and mattress and my wife and kids would need to put up a photo of me by the front door for when the kids ask, Mum there is a strange man at the door. Seriously the best of luck with the new workshop, I’m soooo jealous. Cheers Daniel
Great system, Rob. I am still wrestling with really how big of a unit I’ll need since I am the only one in the shop. I don’t need one, I can’t even get the construction co. In here to finish the shop due to ice, snow and mud. I do think I’ll contact somebody like Oneida for advice. Enjoyed the video.
I just have my big tools (sawing, planing, sanding) on a covered outside deck to do the dusty work with large chicken house fans blowing away the dust . Then do the fine work inside my shop. Yeah, it get's a little cold sometimes but most of the time, letting the dust blow off outdoors saves the cleaning work and saves the lungs, no matter how good a collecting system you have.
The Cyclonic dust collectors are great. I've been using a ClearVue for 3+ years... I just took off and thoroughly cleaned the filter stack. I got over 4 Gallons of ultra fine talk like dust out of them. Now I'm back up and running and it only took about an hour and a half.
A big improvement, nice. You may have a problem here however. I don't like stepping down big ducts to little ones. It takes about 4000 Feet per minute to keep duct work clear. Below that the duct will clog. Dropping down from 8" to 4 ducts cuts the flow more the half and the FPM. . The feed rate of the air supply from the 4" duct may not be sufficient to meet the 4000 FPM requirement in the big duct. That is a very easy thing to check. Your duct supplier should have a meter for this. If he does not he is a bit of a scammer. What model did Oneida sell you. I could run the numbers if your interested. Since it's installed the best way is to measure however. Auto gates are wonderful but expensive. Jim Halbert has a video of DIY autogates here . He does not provide prints but they are easy to copy, especially the solenoid ones. A friend of his built air powered ones. I think he made prints but not sure. You can built a 6" one for $20-25 materiel + labor. Jim, like me does not like 4" ducts. Why buy a huge Cyclone and then only use 1/2 the CFM by using 4" ducts. Does not make sense.
Rob, I'm surprised you don't have 3 phase. If there is a machine that you want in the future that is 3 phase motor, you can make your own. Either buy and install single phase variable frequency drive( such as TECO) or have a roto-phase, add a phase or whoever and an electrical panel. The second method is a three phase motor running on single phase creating three phase. So if you have a 20 hp one, you can run up to 22 hp off of it. The torque advantage of three phase motors may make it worth doing to you.
Kevin Coop I have lots of single phase motors that I purchased used, so it’s easier to just swap the motor. But in the event that I don’t have a motor to replace the 3-phase, I’ll use the VFD.
Rob, have a similar Oneida system, highly recommend their Dust Sentry Bin Level Indicator accessory, as when when I run my 20'" HH planer (I'm always using rough cut wood from my mill) the 55 gallon drum fills up so fast then overflows into the filter clogging it up before I realize it.
Two things: Can you direct me, us to information on noise reduction through the use of baffles? Also, when I came home from the army 40 years ago I took up hand tool woodworking. Though I've got a shop somewhat like yours, the hand work is still what strums my strings. You're doing good there with your school.
Can you explain that baffle more please? I have a massive sternvent system that sounds like a rocket ship. If that baffle would work for me without reducing suction significantly I would get one.
Couldn’t be simpler, about an 18” extension of the large pipe between the blower and the filter. It is lined with 1” thick dense foam rubber. That’s it!
i've had their 5 hp system for 6 or 7 years now. it's been flawless. i was tired of an underpowered system getting clogged at the jointer and planer. it's a one time investment, you won't be sorry for.
I have the old Oneida that has the filter inside the unit, it's a pain to clean, however, for the amount of work that I do I only have to clean it about three times a year. Oneida makes a great unit well worth the investment.
Hi, Rob, I was wondering why you didn't take advantage of the space beneath your shop floor to run the ducting? With a 5hp Oneida, I believe you would have had plenty of capacity to handle the additional length an under-floor arrangement would have needed. In addition, although I'm glad to see you used wyes for most of your lines coming off the main trunk. But why did you go with a few T's rather than all wyes?
not enough room under the floor. We couldnt get "Y's" locally so rather than wait we went with "T's" to get on with it. Replaced most of them later when the "Y's" came in.
Amazing dust Collecting system Mr.Rob .. By the way, can you please tell us about model of remote control system ... As the motor is 5 HP Single-Phase. great video.. thx
We had to order remotes from a separate company, seems Oneida sells remotes not suited for 5hp motors. Jake took care of that, I will have him comment further.
Rob - smaller pipe from the main pipe should go first to the side, and only to the down (prevents chips from falling during transport from further sections of the suction). Look here please - th-cam.com/video/7XKEvEnbWZE/w-d-xo.html. Regards from cold Poland! ;)
Did i miss something, but you said you only had single phase for the dust collection, what power source do you have the machines? Just curious. Great new shop
Did you check into the ClearVue system at all, Rob? My understanding is that a Mr. Pentz, who had serious lung damage due to an improper dust collection did extensive research on cyclone design; and ClearVue uses his design... But, I've never found anyone who sells Clear Vue hear in Canada... The Wood Whisperer installed a new Onenida system in the last couple years and loves it as well. I'm amazed how much that baffle silences the sound! Looks like you're almost ready to go back in full production, there at the new shop!
Coming along nicely, Rob! Hey, couldn't you have run your ducting under the floor? I thought with bowling ally's there was under floor space....I might have that wrong....I assumed ;-) Thanks, again, for all you do for our #WoundedWarriors! I hope the #PurpleHeartProject transition to the new place goes smoothly! #KeepTheChipsFlying!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking That's unfortunate. Yeah, 4" ducting throughout would never have served your needs. Looking forward to your future operations, your shop and the training space (civilian and Veteran). All the very best to #TeamCosman! #WoundedWarriors #PurpleHeartProject #KeepTheChipsFlying!
Still extremely rare though, his manufacturing plant was there many decades though before that happened. Also a company in Quebec that makes wood bricks out of saw dust had one.
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Thank you so much for your support of the disabled Veterans. I am a Disabled Veteran my self and I know how it make them fell that someone cares. I would really like more more information on your dust collection in your new shop. Mostly how it is so quiet. I am trying to setup a very small wood shop to work in. Have to keep everything a good distance apart do to on bad days with my back I am in a electric wheelchair. But the VA has been good to me, that I have it do to I have to have it to go out shopping for food and other things. People like you and others on TH-cam make me want to get out and make thanks. Thanks again for what you and the people that work with you to try and help others. It is very important work, please do not stop.
Rob, so glad to hear you're investing in our veterans health and welfare. Extremely impressive and what a huge difference you'll make in these veterans lives. Thank you from an STGC(SW) Ret. U.S. NAVY. Love your videos.
So thankful for the work you do with veterans. Without a long story, it hits very close to home for my family. God bless.
Rob -- Thank you for what you're doing for wounded vets. My younger brother, an Iraq I war veteran, was recently diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. He's always worked with his hands and I know how comforting it's been for him to get a few minutes in his shop to work on a car (which is his passion, not wood). So, I know from observation how much help you're providing other vets who need a similar outlet.
In a it's a small world note: If you graduated in the late 1980's, we were at university at the same time -- same campus, far different major. While at school, I got my introduction to woodworking at Wright's Furniture Mill in south Provo. I worked the night shift trying to pay for school and dates. Wright's cyclone was three-stories tall. Could that thing suck! One time it got clogged and I rappelled down a rope inside the cyclone to break-up the clog. I was not being paid enough!
I remember Wrights, in fact I bought several pieces of equipment from them when the closed their doors. Should say at auction, they went under sometime in the late 80's. I worked as the TA in 190 of the Snell Bldg from 1986-89.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking quick question. I have been watchimg your sharpening videos and really want to get a diamond stone. I know the Trends are the best, but as a beginner, will I notice the difference between it and a cheaper stone like a DMT duosharp? Is there a cheaper option than Trend other than sand paper (that is horrible!) I have a cheap water stone that is 1000,6000 grit, but I'm restoring 4 planes right now that need at least 300 if not 36 grit LOL
Thank you for your videos, they are great and very encouraging! Keep it up!
BTW, where are you located?
Hats off to your help for wounded vets. Being a vet and seeing how war has damaged them physically, and sometimes psychologically, any training and encouragement given to them will go a long way toward their quality of life. Thank you for your ministry to them.
My privilege and honor to help these outstanding men and women.
First of all , I would like to say , God bless you for everything you do for all of the veterans !!! Next thing , I will be ordering some of your saws here shortly ( after Christmas) . Family comes first. Really like your videos. Thanks again 😎
Thank you for all you do for our beloved vets!!
tis our privilege and honor to be able to associate with these the countries finest.
Very cool Rob! Thank you for doing that for our vets!!
Thanks. Very informative and enjoyable.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Bless you for your work with Our Veterans.
I had Oneida design my shop. Love it. 3 hp piped overhead with drops. Saw the comment about drops filling with dust. Start with the farthest gate open, shut it, go to next gate and open it slowly and it will clean out. Close it and continue on to all your gates opening slowly. No big deal to do every now and then.
Thanks for taking the time to share your shop.
The new shop & dust collection looks great. I love all of those made in Canada General tools. I do see a potential problem in your dust collection piping. When I did my dust collection system several years ago, I was told to never put the inlets on the bottom of the pipe. The reason was that some dust coming from down stream will settle out in the drops between the machine being used & the dust collector. If those drops are not used often, the dust that settles out will clog them.
That is a good point. I made all but one of my blast gates at ceiling / trunk line height and have never had any problems except with the low one.
Hi, Chris, just to put your mind at ease, I have a similar arrangement, with all of my drops coming from the bottom. Although you're right that some dust will indeed settle, the airflow seems to find its way mostly along the mains, and very little dust and debris will cause problems. I should mention that I have an 1,100 sq ft shop with a 3hp Oneida cyclone, a 7" main duct that goes into a 6" for the last 30% of the run. The drops coming off those two spiral main ducts are all 6", and narrow down to 5" to the separate gates and flex hoses.
The lighting looks great in the shop! And WOW, the dust collector is quiet!
Finally spent the money to install a cyclone and dust collection system and it was some of the best money I have spent in the shop. Interesting to know that there is a baffle available to make it quieter. Good vid as always.
The new place looks awesome Rob, you deserve a nice shop.
Shops coming along nicely Rob!!! Dust collection is a must in a shop.
great video, thanks.
i'm looking to upgrade my dust/chip collection as well.. right now i have a rollaround delta shop master 1 hp(LOL) with a garbage can separator made with a lid from busy bee. i will check out the stuff from onieda
Thank you for the tour of the dust collection system.
Congrats on the new shop Rob!
I think I'd have set up that shop so on break and lunch time you could bowl a few frames, then go back to work.
Just that tiny bit of f&r helps make the day funner.
You're a giant among men Rob. God bless you and your crew for the charitable work that you do. (and the Oneida systems is impressive!)
Glad to hear you upgrading the shop rob! I recently moved as well and also run a 5HP Oneida!
I submitted my application for purple hart project. Wood working has helped me so much with my anger and other medical conditions. It brings a sense of purpose and calmness when doing wood working
Rob stop it your killing me man. My kingdom for a workshop like that. All I’d need is to install a toilet and mattress and my wife and kids would need to put up a photo of me by the front door for when the kids ask, Mum there is a strange man at the door. Seriously the best of luck with the new workshop, I’m soooo jealous. Cheers Daniel
I upgraded from a bucket system to a jet cyclone for my small shop, it has made a massive difference. Expensive but worth it.
Great system, Rob. I am still wrestling with really how big of a unit I’ll need since I am the only one in the shop. I don’t need one, I can’t even get the construction co. In here to finish the shop due to ice, snow and mud. I do think I’ll contact somebody like Oneida for advice. Enjoyed the video.
I just have my big tools (sawing, planing, sanding) on a covered outside deck to do the dusty work with large chicken house fans blowing away the dust . Then do the fine work inside my shop. Yeah, it get's a little cold sometimes but most of the time, letting the dust blow off outdoors saves the cleaning work and saves the lungs, no matter how good a collecting system you have.
The Cyclonic dust collectors are great. I've been using a ClearVue for 3+ years... I just took off and thoroughly cleaned the filter stack. I got over 4 Gallons of ultra fine talk like dust out of them. Now I'm back up and running and it only took about an hour and a half.
Great video Rob. I was always curious about your setup in the old shop.
A big improvement, nice. You may have a problem here however. I don't like stepping down big ducts to little ones. It takes about 4000 Feet per minute to keep duct work clear. Below that the duct will clog. Dropping down from 8" to 4 ducts cuts the flow more the half and the FPM. . The feed rate of the air supply from the 4" duct may not be sufficient to meet the 4000 FPM requirement in the big duct. That is a very easy thing to check. Your duct supplier should have a meter for this. If he does not he is a bit of a scammer. What model did Oneida sell you. I could run the numbers if your interested. Since it's installed the best way is to measure however.
Auto gates are wonderful but expensive. Jim Halbert has a video of DIY autogates here . He does not provide prints but they are easy to copy, especially the solenoid ones. A friend of his built air powered ones. I think he made prints but not sure. You can built a 6" one for $20-25 materiel + labor. Jim, like me does not like 4" ducts. Why buy a huge Cyclone and then only use 1/2 the CFM by using 4" ducts. Does not make sense.
Rob, I'm surprised you don't have 3 phase. If there is a machine that you want in the future that is 3 phase motor, you can make your own. Either buy and install single phase variable frequency drive( such as TECO) or have a roto-phase, add a phase or whoever and an electrical panel. The second method is a three phase motor running on single phase creating three phase. So if you have a 20 hp one, you can run up to 22 hp off of it. The torque advantage of three phase motors may make it worth doing to you.
Kevin Coop I have lots of single phase motors that I purchased used, so it’s easier to just swap the motor. But in the event that I don’t have a motor to replace the 3-phase, I’ll use the VFD.
Rob, have a similar Oneida system, highly recommend their Dust Sentry Bin Level Indicator accessory, as when when I run my 20'" HH planer (I'm always using rough cut wood from my mill) the 55 gallon drum fills up so fast then overflows into the filter clogging it up before I realize it.
Good words and great deeds, no wonder you have over 300 likes and Zero dislikes (I've never seen that before) well done.
Two things: Can you direct me, us to information on noise reduction through the use of baffles? Also, when I came home from the army 40 years ago I took up hand tool woodworking. Though I've got a shop somewhat like yours, the hand work is still what strums my strings. You're doing good there with your school.
we got the baffle off the Onieda web site.
Can you explain that baffle more please? I have a massive sternvent system that sounds like a rocket ship. If that baffle would work for me without reducing suction significantly I would get one.
Couldn’t be simpler, about an 18” extension of the large pipe between the blower and the filter. It is lined with 1” thick dense foam rubber. That’s it!
i've had their 5 hp system for 6 or 7 years now. it's been flawless. i was tired of an underpowered system getting clogged at the jointer and planer. it's a one time investment, you won't be sorry for.
I have the old Oneida that has the filter inside the unit, it's a pain to clean, however, for the amount of work that I do I only have to clean it about three times a year. Oneida makes a great unit well worth the investment.
Hi, Rob, I was wondering why you didn't take advantage of the space beneath your shop floor to run the ducting? With a 5hp Oneida, I believe you would have had plenty of capacity to handle the additional length an under-floor arrangement would have needed.
In addition, although I'm glad to see you used wyes for most of your lines coming off the main trunk. But why did you go with a few T's rather than all wyes?
not enough room under the floor. We couldnt get "Y's" locally so rather than wait we went with "T's" to get on with it. Replaced most of them later when the "Y's" came in.
Still using an ras. Radial Arm Saw.
It's a fair question.
Amazing dust Collecting system Mr.Rob .. By the way, can you please tell us about model of remote control system ... As the motor is 5 HP Single-Phase.
great video.. thx
We had to order remotes from a separate company, seems Oneida sells remotes not suited for 5hp motors. Jake took care of that, I will have him comment further.
Rob - smaller pipe from the main pipe should go first to the side, and only to the down (prevents chips from falling during transport from further sections of the suction). Look here please - th-cam.com/video/7XKEvEnbWZE/w-d-xo.html. Regards from cold Poland! ;)
How do you run all that equipment on single phase supply?
With that many large machines wouldn't it have been better to use a rotary phase converter for 3 phase power?
only a few 3 phase compared to the number of single phase. I have lots of single phase motors 1 thru 5 hp.
Does the camera man snort when rob asks for a phone when he's looking for a light? 1:44
Nice overview, but why no 3-phase?
Not already here and too expensive to get it for the small draw we have.
Amazing setup but I have to ask - why no cleanout ports?
Did i miss something, but you said you only had single phase for the dust collection, what power source do you have the machines? Just curious. Great new shop
It's all single phase. He said in previous videos that he's had to convert some of the machines to single phase.
Didn’t realise that you could run those big machines on single phase, food for thought
Did you check into the ClearVue system at all, Rob? My understanding is that a Mr. Pentz, who had serious lung damage due to an improper dust collection did extensive research on cyclone design; and ClearVue uses his design... But, I've never found anyone who sells Clear Vue hear in Canada...
The Wood Whisperer installed a new Onenida system in the last couple years and loves it as well.
I'm amazed how much that baffle silences the sound!
Looks like you're almost ready to go back in full production, there at the new shop!
baffle was incredible considering it was a tube lined with foam rubber.
stockroom supply sells CV stuff in canada. it's imported from the US but I'd check with them if anything is ULC Certified
What gauge is that 8" trunk?
Coming along nicely, Rob! Hey, couldn't you have run your ducting under the floor? I thought with bowling ally's there was under floor space....I might have that wrong....I assumed ;-) Thanks, again, for all you do for our #WoundedWarriors! I hope the #PurpleHeartProject transition to the new place goes smoothly! #KeepTheChipsFlying!
That was the original plan but the crib work under the lanes would only allow 4" pipe.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking That's unfortunate. Yeah, 4" ducting throughout would never have served your needs. Looking forward to your future operations, your shop and the training space (civilian and Veteran). All the very best to #TeamCosman! #WoundedWarriors #PurpleHeartProject #KeepTheChipsFlying!
GO AIR CALVARY!
is the system grounded.
Does not need to be.
it's metal pipe. take a guess.
Ok you don't believe in earth ground wow how funny
@boekelnj I know someone who had one at his moulding plant.
Still extremely rare though, his manufacturing plant was there many decades though before that happened. Also a company in Quebec that makes wood bricks out of saw dust had one.
It’s not unusual for sealed bearings with a light load to last quite some time. As they are sealed, they can’t be and shouldn’t be lubricated.
Dont think these pillowblocks had bearings, looks more like a sleeve.