Rare Silver Coins and a New Monarch for the book!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ม.ค. 2025
- Hey Folks, In this video we take a closer look at my finds from last sunday, found so many 17th century relics that I suspect we may have discovered the site of either a military encampment or even a lost a battle site!!
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Nice finds & history thank you, people forget that there were small skirmish or ambush sites during the civil war that aren't recorded, spent a year detecting one between Aylesbury & Buckingham before the HS2 route went through it 😢
Thank you! Yea I imagine there to be hundreds of unrecorded skirmishes during the various periods of English history! Gutted for you on the permission..HS2 strikes again!!
First off, congrats on the George III! That is a very nice coin considering its age and one heck of a find!
Worth noting that pistol balls could also easily be roundballs fired from lighter calibre muskets and rifles for hunting and sport purposes. One is generally advised NOT to hunt things like squirrels with a .75 calibre infantry musket for what I hope are obvious reasons (chiefly, there will not be much squirrel left if one hits). One of my muzzle loaders is a .36 calibre that would have been considered adequate for small game like squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, etc. but not nearly as effective against medium to large game like deer or bear. The other thing is that lead round balls really don't change that much in the three or four hundred years they were in regular use so it can be quite tricky to guess age just off of contextual clues.
Also worth noting that until the late 19th century, firearms and their ammunition could better be described as themes rather than as specifications. I have personally examined whole stands of Brown Bess infantry muskets and the variation between each individual musket (all were third models) was substantial. Few, if any, were parts-interchangeable. Nominally, the Brown Bess had a .75 calibre bore, to accept a .69 calibre round ball and allow for fouling buildup in the barrel. But I have seen Besses with a calibre in excess of .80, and some as as low as .72. The reason for this is the relatively primitive machine tools in use, and similarly crude measuring tools in service. On top of this, to one degree or another the English and later British army was armed by the output of hundreds of small private gun shops that were producing batches of arms per contracts issued by the government. So as you might imagine, there can also be substantial variation between ammunition as well; and during the English Civil War you'd have a mixture of issued and privately purchased/owned firearms in use, especially amongst the cavalry and this further explains variation in calibre.
But with that said, yes cavalry were often armed with pistols and used them to fire a last minute volley before a charge... by the time of the English Civil War, the wheeling "Caracole," in which cavalry rode in a great circle and harassed infantry with pistols had likely fallen out of favour due to the tremendous disadvantage pistol armed cavalry have against musket armed infantry. The former is a much larger target with a much less powerful and shorter ranged weapon. Descriptions of the caracole from the period seem to mention wheeling to accept the passage of a charging enemy and then wheeling back in a pincer to hit his flanks, rather than a long, rotating wheel. Think of it this way: if you shoot the horse, the cavalryman is just some dink who showed up to a gun fight with a knife.
Now having said that, I wouldn't rule out an encampment of some sort and I think this is a decent guess. Evidence of that would be further supported by other metallic evidence-- buckles and bits of broken kit, lost coins, dropped round balls, etc.
As informative as ever GEV, really interesting to read that the brown Bess was not standardised so that they were all exactly the same , could have made sharing ammo in a sticky situation difficult!
@@LostandFoundRelicCollecting It's part of the reason why ammo was so undersized relative to the bore (the other reason was due to fouling-- the barrels can get noticeably clogged after only 30 or so shots). It's also why I get a real chuckle out of re-enactors that ardently maintain that only this company or that's replica of a Brown Bess is acceptably accurate. Incidentally, variance in dimensions remained an issue for the British Empire into the Great War-- Lee Enfields have very generous firing chamber dimensions partly as a relic of the design originally meant to shoot black powder cartridges, but also because generous chamber tolerances also allow ammo with highly variant dimensions to be used. The major cartridge standards organizations had yet to come into existence, so .303 British is very much a theme rather than a specification. This is a big part (but not the only part) of the reason why the Ross rifles that the Canadians used had such trouble-- they were machined to incredibly close tolerances and ammo that was even a little out of spec would jam them up horribly. We're talking a few thousandths of an inch here, so it would be very difficult to see with the naked eye.
Possibly a training ground?
Could be, definitely too much there to be nothing at all I think! Thank you