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  • @mkultra21
    @mkultra21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +908

    “Josh Rosen won’t have any problem”
    -Troy Aikman, 2018

    • @GoombaGuy1996
      @GoombaGuy1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      To be fair, none of this is Rosen's fault. He got dumped for Kyler Murray, and now he's gonna get dumped for Tua.

    • @samortmann5003
      @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@GoombaGuy1996 He got benched for Fitzpatrick too though, hopefully he gets a legit shot for a good team though.

    • @RyanWow65
      @RyanWow65 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Brad Casalinuovo he wasn’t any good here in AZ when he had the chance.

    • @KMC5240
      @KMC5240 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Rosen to be fair had the unfortunate luck of having Cliff Kingsbury be the next HC of the Cardinals. Taking Murray was apparently a condition of his to become coach. He and Murray have known eachother for years, and he'd been trying to get Murray for years.

    • @kristophermcalpine6438
      @kristophermcalpine6438 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      All teams he played for had bad pass protection and he’s a pocket qb

  • @JayTeddy1
    @JayTeddy1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +913

    My god Mayock was the absolute best. Hasn’t been the same since he left.

    • @samortmann5003
      @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      It was funny though watching him be so certain about Lamar going to the saints just for them to take Davenport

    • @JayTeddy1
      @JayTeddy1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Sam Ortmann That was a shock to most people. Considering what they ended up doing with Taysom Hill predicting Lemar there made sense.

    • @RyanWow65
      @RyanWow65 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jay Tedford very informative but he was kind of annoying. Every time he says anything beginning with “CL” he spits into the mic and drives me crazy lmao

    • @samortmann5003
      @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@JayTeddy1 I'm a ravens fan so I'm happy they did though

    • @pennyomega7421
      @pennyomega7421 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @Hector Rodriguez bro he's giving us raiders fans hope for the first time in years. I'm happy he became our GM

  • @joeswar123
    @joeswar123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +466

    This really was 2 years ago... Wow time flies

    • @offthewall2017
      @offthewall2017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Unbelievable insight, someone get this man the Nobel Prize in math

    • @thebigfudge1016
      @thebigfudge1016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      3 years now🤯

    • @Xeni9h
      @Xeni9h 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ya I remember when these people were all in college

    • @WehoopinBiggestFan
      @WehoopinBiggestFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thebigfudge1016 4 😳

    • @Bambino_60
      @Bambino_60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      4 years now

  • @lfb3136
    @lfb3136 4 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    This feels like yesterday

    • @mantgrta9728
      @mantgrta9728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lfb 313 it feels like 2 years ago

    • @jackgunnink3195
      @jackgunnink3195 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mant Grta I wonder why

  • @WallyHolland
    @WallyHolland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    The Saints trading up to 14 and not taking Lamar Jackson is such an underrated moment in the last few years of NFL history

    • @TonyDanza4Lyfe
      @TonyDanza4Lyfe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So stupid too. To trade a future first for a developmental de from a small school especially when there's a QB there is flat out fucking dumb. Just like trading for another one this year and not taking a QB was

    • @dodu8281
      @dodu8281 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      yup, specially the way davenport performed... as a pack fan that served us well. we got alexander and savage from this trade!!! actually the saints could considering lamar in this free agency period!!!

    • @sickboy8914
      @sickboy8914 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only had 3 years left of Drew Bree's too, yikes

    • @JochenHeistermann
      @JochenHeistermann 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Bears selected 2017 trubisky over Mahomes.

    • @teedouble1610
      @teedouble1610 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JochenHeistermannto be fair no one was talkin about mahommes like that if any thing they took him over Watson

  • @Kaisaccountt
    @Kaisaccountt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +611

    Just imagine if Jackson was drafted by the saints after being mentor by drew brees. The saints would be set for the next decade

    • @navonmyhand7999
      @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      I still think about it now. Imagine if he got to sit behind Brees on the Saints or Brady on the Patriots 😭 League wouldn't even know what hit them

    • @Kaisaccountt
      @Kaisaccountt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Navon Myhand the saints with Jackson and that offense when he had a mentor in drew brees would be an nfl dynasty

    • @Kaisaccountt
      @Kaisaccountt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Anony Moose lamar Jackson took over for joe flacco in the middle of the season when there really wasn’t an offense to his strength

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Kai and they had a lot of option plays for him. Then they spent a whole offseason designing an offense with him.

    • @Kaisaccountt
      @Kaisaccountt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Anony Moose I mean wouldn’t that go for any other quarterback like if patrick mahomes were to be drafted by the browns do you think he would have the same success? In a way every quarterback has a system based off there strength

  • @saltyjordy
    @saltyjordy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Jaire Alexander was considered an F graded pick by GB. Now he is arguably the best cover corner in the league. Crazy

    • @dodu8281
      @dodu8281 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      who said that F?? nfl network and espn said that was an A.

  • @daniel26395
    @daniel26395 4 ปีที่แล้ว +239

    There won't be booing this year, that makes me sad :(

    • @dayne357
      @dayne357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      They'll find a way

    • @esteskefauver3919
      @esteskefauver3919 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      We can all go to his house and boo

    • @leonh365
      @leonh365 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Probably his family is doing this job for us

    • @dantotavo411
      @dantotavo411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lets boo by a chat

    • @greeedooo_5873
      @greeedooo_5873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Daniel Corral people bout to got to Rodgers house and Boo outside

  • @nickhedgecock7067
    @nickhedgecock7067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +761

    Remember when the everyone made fun of the browns for Baker, than after a year it’s deemed a great pick, and now the browns are getting heat again after Bakers bad season
    Edit: And now he had a great season. The Baker Cycle never fails
    Edit 2: And now Browns fans want him gone. Cycle never fails

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      IK. Baker had a bad situation last year, IMO. Worst coach and one of the worst O-Lines. He should come back and do fine.

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nick Hedgecock I agree. I think I like to look at the brighter side. Baker will always throw more picks IMO, it’s just the way he plays, but if he’s behind a good O-Line he’ll do a lot better. A good O-Line is more important than a good receiving core.

    • @b.w.302
      @b.w.302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If you're a high first round QB these days and don't win a Super Bowl by your 5th game ever you are a bust. I'm a Lions fan so I've seen my fair share of busts and Baker is better than any of them ever were.

    • @nickhedgecock7067
      @nickhedgecock7067 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      B. W. Well your teams the only exception

    • @b.w.302
      @b.w.302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nickhedgecock7067 That's true. To be fair though the Lions have played in and won as many Super Bowls as the Browns.

  • @JordanJournies
    @JordanJournies 4 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    Josh “there were 9 mistakes made ahead of me” Rosen 😂

    • @tanzii7051
      @tanzii7051 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean there would if he had 31st rank offensive team

    • @yankees2864
      @yankees2864 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to mention the 2 picks behind him, Fitzpatrick and Vea, have also done pretty well.

    • @tanzii7051
      @tanzii7051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Yankees286 yea but I like guy with that attitude who wants be great u know and imagine he had 31st ranked offense

    • @tfromcali89
      @tfromcali89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The one saying it ended up being it, ironic.

    • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
      @phillyeaglesforlife5127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rosen proceeds to be the worst of the five QBs drafted in the 1st Round🤣🤣😅😅

  • @donniealexander993
    @donniealexander993 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    With exception of Buffalo, all those teams who selected QBs before Lamar struck out. 2 NFL MVP awards later....still on the same team and still doing his thing. His style of play in college was tailor made for the NFL!!

  • @patrickmccabe9764
    @patrickmccabe9764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Crazy how the nfl has changed in 2 years and the impact of this draft

  • @mattm7749
    @mattm7749 4 ปีที่แล้ว +224

    The bills traded up and made the RIGHT decision between Josh Rosen and Josh Allen and picked Allen. Whew. That GM should pat himself on the back watching this now.

    • @gavinshirey
      @gavinshirey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @Project XZ1 true but overall josh allen was the correct pick

    • @gavinshirey
      @gavinshirey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @Ravens for life Everyone technically should of taken him. Even teams who don't need quarterbacks would still probably LOVE to have him

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Ravens for life Lamar would not be as good on the Bills. He’s literally in a perfect situation.

    • @danielventura8118
      @danielventura8118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Project XZ1 wtf are you talking about if he is good he would have been on the field in Miami

    • @brandonwright5792
      @brandonwright5792 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh Rosen would be good on the Bills though.

  • @steveseiler478
    @steveseiler478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I remember screaming at the TV at work when the bills took Allen instead of Rosen! Boy I'm glad I was wrong!

    • @nicholascerniglio7618
      @nicholascerniglio7618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Your not alone with wanting Rosen.

    • @jacklambert5895
      @jacklambert5895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i thought he was going to be elite lol

    • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
      @phillyeaglesforlife5127 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I remember not knowing Josh Allen at the time and after his bad rookie season I thought the Bills were dumb for trading Tyrod Taylor after he took them to the playoffs in 2017, and a year after that I still remember how wrong I was, he’s proof that you shouldn’t judge a qb (to an extent) based on the college they went to, with his size (6’5” 237 lbs), arm strength, and being a dual threat qb, as you can see it can pay off

    • @junehanzawa5165
      @junehanzawa5165 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And I had Rosen as not being an NFL player. What on earth did anyone see in Rosen? He was never NFL material.

    • @ThurstonWatt
      @ThurstonWatt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      WOW someone on TH-cam admitting they were wrong!

  • @dalilmofo
    @dalilmofo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    Nelson is a generational lineman

    • @innatebubble121
      @innatebubble121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cheyne Miller Best player in the draft so far. Two season, two all pros.

    • @mantgrta9728
      @mantgrta9728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ian Quinn no it's lamar

    • @innatebubble121
      @innatebubble121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Mant Grta No. Lamar wasn’t an all pro in his rookie year. So far, Quentin Nelson has the perfect career for an offensive lineman. Two seasons, two all pros.

    • @mantgrta9728
      @mantgrta9728 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ian Quinn but Lamar is better now and has a greater impact on his team

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Mant Grta Lamar is not a better QB than Quinton Nelson is a guard. Disregarding positional value he’s the best player in this draft.

  • @JohnA_VT25
    @JohnA_VT25 4 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    Remember when we all thought the Cardinals were getting their franchise QB here? 😂😂😂

    • @fredb3400
      @fredb3400 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      I liked the whole "let's trade up so Miami doesn't get Rosen" part.

    • @andrewsoucy848
      @andrewsoucy848 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Bigmoron03 I think he’s still a good qb, just not a great circumstance

    • @J_Caban
      @J_Caban 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Andrew Soucy dude fr he keeps getting fucked over with teams that don’t know what they want to do

    • @bobwatyup
      @bobwatyup 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Josue Caban when he was on the cardinals he wasn’t very good, but he improved a lot in the offseason it’s just that the dolphins were garbage

    • @J_Caban
      @J_Caban 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bobwatyup i mean the cardinals had no O-Line and zero weapons other than an aging fitz, idk what he really could have done he isnt a scrambler

  • @benestrada5589
    @benestrada5589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Troy Aikman, true talent evaluator. Praises Josh Rosen, then says Lamar Jackson was a day 2 guy.

    • @darnylgaming4377
      @darnylgaming4377 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He’s a racist

    • @BucaneerBri
      @BucaneerBri 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      If anyone watched Lamar they knew he was the best QB in that draft & it’s not even close

  • @JayTeddy1
    @JayTeddy1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Would love to see these from the early-mid 2000’s!

  • @navonmyhand7999
    @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +449

    Who else is excited to see what the 2020 NFL draft will look like?

    • @jjliquor1
      @jjliquor1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      me

    • @cleim2910
      @cleim2910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I bet Tua goes to Dolphins, Panthers pick Brown, CeeDee Lamb to Cowboys, Jefferson to Vikings

    • @Robertthachickenwrangler
      @Robertthachickenwrangler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Cleim 29 dang you are so good!!!!!!

    • @navonmyhand7999
      @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@cleim2910 I can't tell if you responded before or after the draft haha

    • @joehilbush7472
      @joehilbush7472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cleim 29 I disagree I think Joe Burrow to the Bengals, Chase young to the Washington football team, Jeff Okudah to the lions and Meckhi Benton to the Jets

  • @shoked99
    @shoked99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    I miss when the broadcast didn’t spoil so many of the picks.

    • @Angry-est
      @Angry-est 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Hector Rodriguez
      what?

    • @samchernoff350
      @samchernoff350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      shoked 909 Dude it used to be way worse. They actually showed the calls of the players which made it 100%. Now they just discuss likely picks

    • @giants_pride2873
      @giants_pride2873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @MrBlueD3V1L ikr they used to show the players in the green room getting the call which showed u exactly who was getting drafted

  • @Nutelko8
    @Nutelko8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Wow that Shazier moment was so powerful.

  • @Shadow-jw1kt
    @Shadow-jw1kt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The moment that my Ravens selected Lamar, I knew he was going to be good, but I never would’ve imagined he’d be an MVP in his second year. My goodness I’ve never been more proud to be a Ravens fan. This team is so much fun to watch. The ravens picked 3 players in this draft that are the foundational offensive pieces for the next 10 years, and can end up being potential hall of famers, that being: Lamar Jackson, Mark Andrews, and Orlando Brown Jr. A franchise QB, TE, and RT, all young, all in the top 5 in the league at their various positions by the end of year 2.

    • @JacobAbramowitz
      @JacobAbramowitz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lamar stinks this year, hopefully he bounces back next year

    • @DillyBrew
      @DillyBrew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Where’s that “foundational piece” Orlando Brown now? 😂

    • @Shadow-jw1kt
      @Shadow-jw1kt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DillyBrew playing for Kansas city because he thinks he’s a left tackle when his natural position is on the right hand side, and he’s had a pretty down year otherwise.🤷‍♀️

    • @richardrojas4774
      @richardrojas4774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DillyBrew his name is Odafe Oweh😈

    • @CWE945
      @CWE945 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JacobAbramowitz Like Josh Allen this year, hopefully he bounces back this year

  • @christophersmith5386
    @christophersmith5386 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    It was a great draft I love Barkley..

    • @brycep7958
      @brycep7958 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How you feel now

    • @christophersmith5386
      @christophersmith5386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brycep7958 he need to get traded😂

    • @toastgalaxy776
      @toastgalaxy776 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christophersmith5386 hahahha how times change 😂

  • @MightySportsFan2000
    @MightySportsFan2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I remember this draft. Man can't believe it's was two years ago. I was in my freshman year of high school

    • @MightySportsFan2000
      @MightySportsFan2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hearing all different stories about 2018 draft anymore stories people

    • @alizaidi847
      @alizaidi847 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember the days leading up to the draft saying to my friend that the Ravens would absolutely take Lamar Jackson

  • @lebigboy8700
    @lebigboy8700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    25:25 imagine Lamar Jackson going to the saints

  • @camcook9965
    @camcook9965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    who would have thought Lamar and Allen would have been the best 2 QB’s out of this class

    • @samanzellotti3797
      @samanzellotti3797 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ong they were viewed the as the most likely bust picks. Ironic

    • @tybrown2889
      @tybrown2889 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is why teams should evaluate on ceiling instead of floor. Both of them were pretty raw coming out of college, but they were both very coachable, and improved every season to become two of the best in the game. Teams should look at who the player could become, instead of who they were in college.

  • @firey8188
    @firey8188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    Gettleman drafted Saquon and CMC he knows what he’s doing when it comes to RB’s

    • @cool61911
      @cool61911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      XZFireY he drafts well at the most interchangeable and replaceable position on any given roster. Gentleman is the worst gm in history lol

    • @freopt
      @freopt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@cool61911 BOB?

    • @sammybritton5899
      @sammybritton5899 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But.. nowhere else.

    • @firey8188
      @firey8188 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sammy Britton right

    • @evillamar372
      @evillamar372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Two no brainer picks everybody knows Saquon and CMC are good

  • @jordankendall2705
    @jordankendall2705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    1:06:21 or the NFL Most Valuable Player

    • @owen.8282
      @owen.8282 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Ravens forever nice joke

    • @jadqn_
      @jadqn_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ravens forever lmao

    • @litebeats7691
      @litebeats7691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don’t like Lamar as a Steelers fan but how he came out was incredible, he looked really heated that he didn’t get picked earlier, he knew he was the best QB in this draft

  • @enriquecontreras5955
    @enriquecontreras5955 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    These are my favorite videos, I’ve watched the 2006, 07, 11 and 14 ones you posted last year several times. Please keep them coming!

  • @samortmann5003
    @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Gonna miss Goodell being booed

    • @dayne357
      @dayne357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He gonna have hackers hacking into his selection call just to boo him lol

    • @dairy_queen_6910
      @dairy_queen_6910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m still gonna boo him

  • @1990Thunderbolt
    @1990Thunderbolt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    rewatching these draft picks is funny the way we look at it right now lmfao

  • @ab3040
    @ab3040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Can't wait for Goodell to have to say That Tagavailoa😂

  • @natanaelaguilar9134
    @natanaelaguilar9134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    When I saw the Ravens trade for that 32nd pick, I knew they were gonna pick Jackson and I knew they just got the steal of the draft

    • @Lukas-iy8lb
      @Lukas-iy8lb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Imagine if they got Calvin Ridley and Lamar

  • @CJD22K
    @CJD22K 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Love these draft videos! Keep posting like 2010, 2016, etc. Ready for Draft Day next week!

  • @ash_lucario_ship183
    @ash_lucario_ship183 4 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    I glad the Ravens got Lamer Jackson.

    • @bigherm24
      @bigherm24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I’d rather have the Cooler Jackson

    • @alex-dl7yx
      @alex-dl7yx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who

    • @ethanstanley1285
      @ethanstanley1285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bryan Layton last time I checked you make less than him.

    • @jewishcircumcircle6193
      @jewishcircumcircle6193 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      18:14 Photos taken seconds before disaster

    • @dukedenniss1938
      @dukedenniss1938 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@QuiltHoncho bruh your dumb af

  • @ab3040
    @ab3040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    When has trolling the Cowboys ever gone wrong😂

  • @itsabf2898
    @itsabf2898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    "And then there's the dolphins... that might be a home for Rosen."
    Well yes, but actually no.

  • @nickvictoria337
    @nickvictoria337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please post more of these!!! They’re so fun to watch fully and see the analysis of some players!!!!

  • @jackraclaw9888
    @jackraclaw9888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    All these trades were crazy

  • @colee61200
    @colee61200 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Remember everyone hated LVE pick, now he’s an elite LB with Jaylon🤠.

    • @KingFig1998
      @KingFig1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think that was just Cowboy fans not knowing what the fuck they're talking about

    • @cruzhernandez9241
      @cruzhernandez9241 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean we lost dez and needed a receiver and Calvin Ridley was on the board

    • @chadbernal9682
      @chadbernal9682 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cole English I love the pick from even before he got drafted, and I am a Giants fan. Love Boise State and saw a lot of promise with him.

    • @bigherm24
      @bigherm24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Still can’t make the playoffs

    • @kentfreeman8674
      @kentfreeman8674 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cole English his only elite when on the field

  • @darkchocolate3390
    @darkchocolate3390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    We traded down to get an extra 3rd Round pick AND Lamar Jackson? Ozzie Newsome is the best

  • @gavinshirey
    @gavinshirey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    24:55 aged like milk

    • @grantgobell6249
      @grantgobell6249 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Gavin Shirey Lamar scores his first touchdown against the saints too

  • @718World
    @718World ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So happy for Lamar. Mad the jets didn't get him

  • @Jackhintze06
    @Jackhintze06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Looking back at it, this was a really good draft. Big pieces of the NFL future came in this year

  • @mikethompson5935
    @mikethompson5935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Tremain edmunds, at 19, was a first round NFL draft pick. The only memorable thing I did at 19 was turn 20.

    • @toastgalaxy776
      @toastgalaxy776 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      bahahha thats relatable asf, im the age of draft picks now and i juste feel like god damn, these guys are all super succesful and im here doing fuck all in college lmao

  • @caivue3314
    @caivue3314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Damn time sure fly and this year NFL Draft is almost here too

  • @navonmyhand7999
    @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was watching the 2014 draft a couple days ago and thought we'd have to wait a couple more years for a 2018 video... wow thanks

    • @NFLVault
      @NFLVault  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I can read minds 🤯

    • @navonmyhand7999
      @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NFLVault Haha thanks 😁😁

  • @viniciusernesto3914
    @viniciusernesto3914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    1. Baker Mayfield - What can you say about him man? He’s had a lot of ups and downs, but this has to be seen as an average pick right? - 5,5/10
    2. Saquon Barkley - Super talented, amazing player and had a great start to his career. Despite that, he’s a running back who has missed 20 games in the last 2 years and hasn’t looked anywhere near what he was before his injuries. This is why running backs shouldn’t be top 10 picks. - 4/10
    3. Sam Darnold - He has been a true failure in the league. Despite this, I blame the Jets for not having any idea on how to build a support system around the kid. Terrible coaching, no weapons or o-line and just throwing him out there to be battered. - 2/10
    4. Denzel Ward - Very good pick. Still very young and has had 4 great seasons as their No. 1 corner. - 8/10
    5. Bradley Chubb - So far you can definitely say this pick has been so so. He’s had some injury issues unfortunately, but that being said, he’s been elite when on the field. - 7/10
    6. Quenton Nelson - Amazing pick, there was no way to see Luck retiring, so you can even nitpick and say they could’ve taken a Qb. He is the best guard in the league and the only critique you could have is some injury concerns. - 10/10
    7. Josh Allen - What a huge risk this kid was, but opposed to Darnold, he was given a great head coach and coordinator, weapons to throw to and an awesome defense. He is a top 5 QB talent wise and a special player. (All this as a pats fan) - 10/10
    8. Roquan Smith - Watched him a lot at Georgia and he translated perfectly to the NFL. 4 outstanding seasons including 3 all pro seasons. - 10/10
    9. Mike McGlinchey - Solid player who has been very dependable until an injury this year. - 7/10
    10. Josh Rosen - I’ve tried to find reasons to be an apologist for him, but he just wasn’t very good was he? Not to mention the pick that the cardinals hit for him turned into Andy Isabella, who also isn’t very good. - 0/10
    11. Minkah Fitzpatrick - He is an absolute stud. An amazing safety who makes great plays in the run and pass game. All Pro level talent. That being said, he’s been all that for Pittsburg. The dolphins did get Austin Jackson for him, so I guess it’s a decent pick right? - 6,5/10
    12. Vita Vea - Really great player who is fundamental in that awesome run defense. Some injury issues but still a great pick. - 8/10
    13. Daron Payne - Another great player and leader for his defense. Has shown he was worth the pick. - 8/10
    14. Marcus Davenport - A super bowl contender goes and trades 2 first round picks for a raw UTSA player who has been a fringe starter at best? Pretty terrible pick. 0/10
    15. Kolton Miller - Not a great start to his career, but what a great player he’s turned into. Great player this year and probably an all-pro and pro bowl snub. - 8,5/10
    16. Tremaine Edmunds - Rangy, young and great overall player. The modern linebacker is this kid. Great development into one of the better linebackers in this league. Great pick. - 8,5/10
    17. Derwin James - Very tough to rate him. He is obviously extremely talented and a huge difference maker, especially in coverage. Despite that, he’s missed 29 games in 4 seasons!! Can’t deny the talent, so let’s just hope he can stay healthy. - 7/10
    18. Jaire Alexander - Superstar player and probably a top 5 corner. Let’s hope this injury plagued season was just a small blip for a really great player. - 9/10
    19. Leighton Vander Esch - When we look at the talent this draft had, it’s tough to see this as a good pick. He’s had some injury concerns and even when healthy, a 60% snap count LB is not what you expect out of a top 20 pick. - 4/10
    20. Frank Ragnow - Had a tough season this year due to injury, but he is a top 5 center in the league for sure. - 7,5/10
    21. Billy Price - Started one season and was average at best. Got benched and eventually traded to the Giants for a 7th rounder. - 1/10
    22. Rashaan Evans - Not been as good as most thought he could become, but has been a solid starter on a good defense. - 5,5/10
    23. Isaiah Wynn - This was the first year where he was able to get something going without injury issues. He’s shown flashes, but not great. - 5/10
    24. DJ Moore - I think he has amazing talent and could be a superstar in this league. Unfortunately, he’s had really average QB play and hasn’t developed as much because of this. He can definitely prove that he’s better, but so far he’s great, but not a superstar. - 7/10
    25. Hayden Hurst - They made up for this pick with getting Andrews in the same draft, but they have to be criticized for missing with this pick. If there’s any upside, he was traded for the pick that became J.K. Dobbins. - 2,5/10
    26. Calvin Ridley - He is such a great player. 3 great seasons next to Julio and unfortunately missed this season, even though he was right to do it. Hope he comes back well, and I’m sure Atlanta will get something good for him if they do end up trading him. In the end, he’s been great, but never proven himself as a 100% no. 1, and Atlanta will probably have to lose him. Tough to grade. - 7,5/10
    27. Rashaad Penny - He’s started 6 games in 4 years. He definitely has talent, but way too injury prone and unproductive to this point in his career to justify this high of a selection. 2/10
    28. Terrell Edmunds - He’s a starter, but has definitely not lived up to the expectations as a first round pick. - 4,5/10
    29. Taven Bryan - Not been a consistent starter and this year played around 30% of the snaps for a very bad team. - 2/10
    30. Mike Hughes - Traded for a seventh rounder after starting less than 10 games. No value whatsoever - 0/10
    31. Sony Michel - Hindsight is definitely 20/20 with Chubb being picked a few picks later, but he was a great starter and played a solid role on that super bowl team. He only lasted 2 seasons in NE though. - 4/10
    32 - Lamar Jackson - MVP and amazing talent. He has definitely improved through the years and is just an awesome player to watch. Another player we hope won’t be hindered by some injury issues this year, but the talent and production is there for sure. - 10/10

    • @dacoolboy2449
      @dacoolboy2449 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like this type of comment. I also appreciate you showing some love to Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds as a Pats fan🤣

  • @m.daniels1496
    @m.daniels1496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The fire 🔥 in Lamar jacksons eyes at the end in that interview WOW...

    • @zarpkid
      @zarpkid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because he knew he was overlooked over some qbs he know he was better than

  • @kevez17
    @kevez17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Damn I miss mayock as an analyst

    • @fredb3400
      @fredb3400 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The raiders do too, I'm sure!

    • @broccolisidedish5014
      @broccolisidedish5014 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      kevin jobling Where is he now?

    • @cobramystic_gaming1505
      @cobramystic_gaming1505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@broccolisidedish5014 the raiders hired him as their gm in 2019.

  • @chidozieosuji5158
    @chidozieosuji5158 4 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Imagine if Lamar went 1st overall would he have been an NFL MVP today

    • @theinvictussamaritan4778
      @theinvictussamaritan4778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Chidozie Osuji definitely wouldn’t have. The best team that selected a qb that he could’ve gone too was the Bills instead of Josh Allen, but he went to the perfect spot.

    • @samortmann5003
      @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Browns would have ruined him like their ruining Baker

    • @jordankendall2705
      @jordankendall2705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Probably a unanimous MVP

    • @navonmyhand7999
      @navonmyhand7999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I love Lamar but I think not. In 2016-2019 they went 14-49-1.... I don't think any one QB (Wentz, Mahomes, Watson, Jackson) could be very successful if drafted by them

    • @samortmann5003
      @samortmann5003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @Fizzgig No other qb in his draft class has even made it to the divisional round

  • @brycewilson1909
    @brycewilson1909 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    these are great....please do the 2010 draft next?

  • @grantgobell6249
    @grantgobell6249 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    What a great draft. Go Lamar and the Ravens!

  • @Belligerentpotatoes
    @Belligerentpotatoes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man you could just tell by that last interview Lamar had IT.

  • @maroc-al-helmidi
    @maroc-al-helmidi ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This talk about Lamar possibly playing a different position or being in a tandem with Taysom was so incredibly out of pocket

  • @eastonlee832
    @eastonlee832 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    “Sam Darnold has the highest ceiling and highest floor” on his floor he’s seeing ghosts 😬

  • @RamblingMadMan2
    @RamblingMadMan2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I miss hearing from Mayock on Draft Night. Nothing against DJ but I loved some the evaluation terms Mayock used. "This is a guy that I wouldn't want to find in a dark alley"

  • @FalseStartPod
    @FalseStartPod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Man, this draft was just the best, you can’t change my mind.

  • @Jakehoneychuck
    @Jakehoneychuck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Shazier walking out 3 months after hurting his back still gets me 😭

  • @Mischief716
    @Mischief716 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This has to be one of the greatest classes of all time. Most of these guys are still studs

  • @gavin.bruhn1
    @gavin.bruhn1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i remember crying because the broncos picked Bradley Chubb over like Josh Rosen,but now i’m for sure not crying over that pick

  • @robertcurington3657
    @robertcurington3657 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The giants not taking Lamar is insane 😂

    • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
      @phillyeaglesforlife5127 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They helped out quite a few teams from 2018-2020, 2018: The Bills for not drafting Allen and the Ravens for not drafting Lamar, 2019: The Jaguars for not drafting Josh Allen the linebacker, and 2020: The Packers because if the Giants had started Eli one more year in 2019 and drafted Josh Allen instead of Daniel Jones, they could’ve got Tua or Herbert the next year and the Chargers would’ve ended up with Jordan Love instead of falling to the Packers

    • @justinkanicki8044
      @justinkanicki8044 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Giants play in New Jersey

    • @justinkanicki8044
      @justinkanicki8044 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still ain't win shit

    • @ThurstonWatt
      @ThurstonWatt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      shut up. just, shut up. in 2018 there was NO WAY you would have taken Lamar over Saquon Barkley at #2, if you were the GM. Stop it.

  • @ananthsriram7025
    @ananthsriram7025 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've been waiting for these for ages. Thank you so much NFL Throwback, these Classic Drafts truly made April much easier for me last year. Please keep continuing to upload these and keep up the great work!!!

  • @jonathanfrimerman8855
    @jonathanfrimerman8855 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    2 years later Lamar and Baker were a part for the game of the season

    • @jordanearl3313
      @jordanearl3313 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Charlie B josh allen is an overrated bum, hell regress next year

    • @c0mf0rta61ynum6
      @c0mf0rta61ynum6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordanearl3313 And you root for what team that Josh Allen probably beat?

    • @faizali2200
      @faizali2200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It goes Lamar he had a down year then Josh Allen and then Baker

    • @joaquinmcgee9901
      @joaquinmcgee9901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Charlie B So? Nick Foles beat Brady, does that mean he’s better?

    • @joaquinmcgee9901
      @joaquinmcgee9901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Charlie B I was a believer in Allen as well, but to say he’s better than Jackson after one year isn’t necessarily accurate. Jackson’s peak has been better than Allen’s peak so far

  • @user-yg1ou6pe2w
    @user-yg1ou6pe2w 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Gonna be missing this this year

  • @iankorapatti7972
    @iankorapatti7972 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This draft will go down as one of the greatest.

  • @daltiejul
    @daltiejul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I remember thinking Kolton Miller wow reach!?! Now I can't imagine what the Raiders Oline would be without him. What a pick! If Gruden did anything it was land us a franchise LT! Best Tackle in the draft I remember I wanted McGlinchey so bad. It all worked out!

  • @ericgallo9057
    @ericgallo9057 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Arizona trades up to draft Rosen before Miami....
    *Ironic*

  • @mikeostrow7051
    @mikeostrow7051 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love that people wanted Josh Rosen instead of Josh Allen 😂

  • @cristianrojas4083
    @cristianrojas4083 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can’t find the entire video despite scouring TH-cam for - no joke - years. His interview was dramatic. You could see Lamar becoming teary eyed. It was an AMAZING display of passion mixed with resilience. If anyone ever find the entire tape @ me.

  • @ramsden35
    @ramsden35 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    32nd haha. The stare after saying he’s going to get the Raven’s a Super Bowl! Believe Dat!

  • @kentfreeman8674
    @kentfreeman8674 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for posting this it really feels good hearing Matthew Maconiha voice leading into this

  • @felloephlebs
    @felloephlebs ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Now the ravens have Ro on defense & Lamar on offense 🐦🐦

  • @caelebdinger5938
    @caelebdinger5938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As a Steeler fan I can remember wanting us so badly to take Lamar at our pick. Could’ve let him sit behind Ben

    • @ghgftyy66556
      @ghgftyy66556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Caeleb Dinger as a ravens fan glad that didn’t happen but this year will be fun i don’t hate the steelers but the rivalry is always fun and competitive definitely the two most mature teams in the division

    • @zaydennorez3028
      @zaydennorez3028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ghgftyy66556 your username tho🤣

    • @heatherblanton2457
      @heatherblanton2457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t hate anybody but the browns I’m a bengals fan and the ravens are my second favorite team in the division

  • @tobruh4552
    @tobruh4552 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    That Rosen Pick will haunt me.

    • @sergiosalazar8702
      @sergiosalazar8702 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      at least you got murray

    • @pon20FF
      @pon20FF 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean he wasn’t bad his rookie year , he just had a terrible o line and coaching. Although now looking at it though, they could have gotten someone else easily considering they drafted two first round qbs which wasn’t smart at all

    • @pon20FF
      @pon20FF 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ravens for life you just gonna ignore the fact that Kliff Kingsberry was his coach and that Steve Wilks is more of a defensive coach that ignores the offense. I do agree Murray is better but he also had a better situation in Arizona than Rosen

    • @primeglasnow2661
      @primeglasnow2661 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ponster The Monster bingo

    • @pon20FF
      @pon20FF 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      MrBlueD3V1L lol did you not see what I commented, his coaching staff and offensive line were garbo. He was unable to set his feet properly and look at his reads properly because of the 300+pound Defensive Lineman coming at him unblocked. He did good for the situation he was in but decent in terms of looking on the outside of things

  • @Presoreo007
    @Presoreo007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m so happy we got Lamar

  • @justaloe
    @justaloe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Lamar might not have as much success in another system right away but it wouldn't take him long to be great in any system because he's smart and he works hard also he's obsessive about getting better. Baltimore Ravens players were saying that as a rookie sitting on the sidelines, Lamar was reading defenses better than Joe Flacco was.

    • @kmav2213
      @kmav2213 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is the system. Because of Greg Roman, Baltimore would be a good run team with another QB, great with a scrambling guy, but their one of the greatest ever with Lamar

  • @lonewolfx499
    @lonewolfx499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This class was massively deep.

  • @PhyzinicStudios
    @PhyzinicStudios 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Please upload more drafts from the past. I need more content to binge at home.

  • @ramal5708
    @ramal5708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What Josh Rosen actually meant, "The league done messed up"

  • @notdylan1331
    @notdylan1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Its crazy that 30 other teams including the ravens passed on lamar

    • @jibbjabb43
      @jibbjabb43 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ravens were basically in the clear once the Saints picked someone else.

  • @BucaneerBri
    @BucaneerBri 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That Allen pick would go on to cause Dorsey to go into that epic fit in the bills booth & one of all time funniest

  • @m0rdecai89
    @m0rdecai89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    If only the Ravens had taken Ridley instead of Hurst. Damn.

    • @darkchocolate3390
      @darkchocolate3390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Eh not really. He gets most production because he plays with Julio.

    • @jeremiahsalvadorjuarez553
      @jeremiahsalvadorjuarez553 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@darkchocolate3390 either way hurts was a waste of a pick. not even the best te they drafted in that round. but at least they got a 2nd round pick from him

    • @dylanf3108
      @dylanf3108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Still got a 2nd out of Hurst.

    • @yeetymcflyiv3387
      @yeetymcflyiv3387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hurst help that run heavy offense last year. So it is better that they took hurst instead of ridley.

    • @LeroyzkiSmithsonian
      @LeroyzkiSmithsonian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If they drafted Ridley, they probably wouldn’t have drafted Hollywood Brown in 2019. So honestly it’s hard to say.

  • @danielfrevertr2
    @danielfrevertr2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yesssssss plz do more I live these vids 👍🏾

  • @MCKICKZ
    @MCKICKZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Cant believe patriots could of had Lamar

  • @troywoods6742
    @troywoods6742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    UNBELIEVABLE LAMAR WENT 32 TO THE RAVENS AFTER THE RAVENS TRADED BACK TWICE IN THE FIRST ROUND IN STILL DRAFTED 2 PLAYERS IN THE FIRST

  • @jinzoslegions
    @jinzoslegions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I am a Cowboys fan but I remember pulling for somebody to draft Lamar. I'm honestly really happy the guy had possibly the greatest QB season in history. Who woulda thought?

  • @cleim2910
    @cleim2910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Top 10 players in this draft:
    1. Not Josh Rosen
    2. Not Josh Rosen
    3. Not Josh Rosen
    4. Not Josh Rosen
    5. Not Josh Rosen
    6. Not Josh Rosen
    7. Not Josh Rosen
    8. Not Josh Rosen
    9. Not Josh Rosen
    10. Not Josh Rosen

  • @Jo.3yy
    @Jo.3yy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Im glad Lamar went to Ravens.
    He would have been weird with really any other team.

  • @bbenam8286
    @bbenam8286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    imagine passing up on lamar. crazy he dropped to 32. though im extremely happy as a ravens fan

  • @stevencoy591
    @stevencoy591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Right now the Baker Mayfield pick is working out so much better than Darnold.

    • @rtpgunner2979
      @rtpgunner2979 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josh allen worked out better then baker mayfield ...

  • @indifferentshadow
    @indifferentshadow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel bad for Rosen, even w/ the "9 mistakes before me" criticism...but it's amusingly apropos that the commissioner didn't have his jersey ready for him when he got to the stage @ 18:26. Really a sign of things to come (so far) for poor Josh Rosen XD

  • @Tony_1294
    @Tony_1294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Glad My Jets Got Darnold in this Draft ✈

    • @johnraven2429
      @johnraven2429 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is the only good player on the actual Jets roster after the Jamal Adams trade.

  • @justinbakker8843
    @justinbakker8843 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nelson at 6 was such a great pick

  • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
    @phillyeaglesforlife5127 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I JUST NOW noticed ALL the teams that passed on Lamar that could DESPERATELY need him right now, Was, NO, LV, Ten, NE, Car, Atl, and Pit, NE stands out because they had two chances to draft Lamar

    • @ProfessionalWomanRespector
      @ProfessionalWomanRespector 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Carolina does not need a quarterback.

    • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
      @phillyeaglesforlife5127 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ProfessionalWomanRespector They would’ve made the playoffs in a few of those years though since they still had Cam and Lamar would’ve been the PERFECT backup to him as they’re both dual threat QBs so you could run the same plays when Cam gets hurt, there’s no telling what Bryce Young is gonna do, at least with a proven veteran like Lamar he’d give the Panthers a chance at the playoffs with that defense

    • @lornegreen6755
      @lornegreen6755 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ProfessionalWomanRespectorafter that garbage you just seen Bryce show are YOU SUREEEEEEEE they don’t need a QB? Lol

    • @ProfessionalWomanRespector
      @ProfessionalWomanRespector 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lornegreen6755 yes

    • @phillyeaglesforlife5127
      @phillyeaglesforlife5127 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lornegreen6755 I honestly feel bad for him, he’s on the WORST team and they’re already giving up on him

  • @willemdafoe3602
    @willemdafoe3602 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    look at josh allen man, so inspirational

  • @Windyyyyyyyyy
    @Windyyyyyyyyy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I still think the jets getting darnold was the right thing.

  • @nicholaswoods4055
    @nicholaswoods4055 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Barkley is the best rb since ap was drafted. Hoping he gets back on track this year with new coaching and even Neal or ekwonu

  • @jacobsilverman4645
    @jacobsilverman4645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Funny seeing Ian say "it's gonna be Marcus Davenport" and then Mike Mayock immediately says he's wrong and goes on a whole tirade about Lamar...and it was still Marcus Davenport