@@clv735 yeah and these "experts" work for the teams that pick in the top 10 every year. I have said this one statement since I was a player/coach in high school: stop firing/hiring coaches on a carousel and actually evaluate the people scouting/recruiting these players because they are the ones that need to go. Their logic is "let's try to fit a square peg into a round hole" and see what happens. Yay, you get to pick in the top 10 AGAIN next year.
@@packersauburneric3625The Browns haven't had a good QB since Kosar in the 80's. That's why they were so desperate to get Watson. Hopefully he works out for them or that trade will have set the franchise back at least 6-8 years.
I think we are seeing now why Lemar went at 32, character issues. All the interviews, all the time he went to other teams, they saw it. I think it's obvious all the GMs saw him as an issue with NPD and Baltimore took a shot. He refuses to get an agent, he refuses to entertain options, yet still wants to get paid like other QBs that hired good agents. Jaylen Hurts didn't get that bag from being an A hole with NPD thinking "I can do it myself, f all y'all." That's what all the teams in that draft saw. It's obvious now. I mean, come on, he's unrestricted, no one is wanting to deal with him. Dude needs some humble pie. I also think it's funny how all the locker room issues reported about him are being ignored right now with the contract issue going on.
Yeah, I remember that too, but it's also a really, really dumb way to guage acurracy on a football field. No NFL scout put a drop of stock in it, because it's dumb. Alex Smith would have had a similar or better career than Rodgers if he'd stayed healthy
@@IntroducingMrLucci it’s interesting to me that Dick Vermil would talk about character issues… I know he wasn’t coach at the time but Lawrence Phillips is the perfect example of that
Wouldn’t be as easy as you think. If Aaron goes to San Fran, he keeps carrying them to the playoffs, no way they’re in position to draft all those great defensive players
Randy went exactly where he needed to be. Dallas didn't have someone that would be as good of a mentor as Cris Carter was. Randy would've struggled with off the field stuff in Dallas.
Was Manziel really a slide though? Fans were clamoring for him to be picked in the 1st but most NFL scouts had a late round grade on him. It definitely was entertaining waiting to see where he would eventually be picked.
I remember really disliking johnny, not just because of his attitude, but he was a through and through college QB and not pro QB. I had a 3rd round grade on him due to potentially being a good QB if properly coached and sat a couple years.
It’s only a slide by the perspective of fans at that time. Looking back at it now it was very clear his play style wouldn’t translate to the NFL not even mentioning all the off field drama
@@davebowman5152 manziels problem was he didn’t study play books and understand the art behind football. His football iq wasn’t good and his partying hurt him a lot.
For those too young to remember, Aaron Rodgers was CLEARLY the best QB in that draft. He was slated to go #1 for awhile. His slide was more dramatic than all the others because even if he didn't go #1, you wouldn't expect a guy like him to go past the top 5. Especially not 20 years ago when teams were more willing to pull the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft. I still can't believe Alex Smith was selected over him. It blew my mind at the time and it still blows my mind today. I think Alex Smith came across as more mature and he had a young Urban Meyer blowing the bullhorn for him constantly. Rodgers came across as a little like a frat guy and that could be a reason he fell, but he was clearly so much more talented than Alex Smith to an extreme degree. The fall to #24 was insane. John Elway got drafted #1 to the Colts in the 80s despite the fact that he said he would never play for their organization lol so they traded him to Denver. Rodgers should have been #1. I thought it at the time and never changed my mind. He was too good to pass on unless you had a legit HOF QB in his prime at QB.
Huh? Marino himself credits a lot of his transition to the NFL going so well to Don Strock's mentoring. Coach Shula was also an excellent resource. He also was 23 when he hit the league, which a lot of these players now are pressured to come in earlier before graduating from college, leaving themselves emotionally and mentally not ready to handle the pressure of helming a billion dollar franchise's fortunes. I dont think what you're saying is necessarily true, he came in physically ready and old/mature enough to handle it, but his learning curve was accelerated by an excellent coach and qb mentor that allowed him to smooth it over on the fly. His supporting offensive cast was also excellent. If he was just flopped out there with no protection, no mentor and no co-stars like a lot of guys are when they're expected to "save this franchise" he probably would have failed too.
His biggest issue was going to Cleveland and that they kept benching him for Anderson rather than just sticking it out to see his development instead. Had they just stuck it out, or if he had gone elsewhere to a team that could have coached him correctly I think he would have been fine. His game against the Lions showed his potential.
The sucky thing about Rogers's fall, is imagine if he had gone to the 49ers and what his stats could be not sitting behind Favre for three years. Perhaps it allowed him to develop enough to get running instead of faltering, but I would love to see the universe in which he went #1
@@lpseudonyml the 49ers burned through like 5 head coaches alex smiths first 5 years. aaron rodgers might be out of the league by 2010. Alex hung around mostly bc of his great attitude or ownership wouldve given up on him like the coaches
@@RainmakerXBooty True, but at the same time, one could also argue that if Rodgers did pan out, he’d potentially have a team with a better defense in some of his prime years. The Green Bay defenses in the years after their Super Bowl win are often described as mid or trash, whereas San Francisco’s defense was the better component of a Super Bowl team, and a further two conference championship teams in the early 2010’s.
Watch some of his tape early on in the NFL, nothing more miraculous than falling and having to be humbled (momentarily, dudes a douche on camera) could have happened to him Edit: I reread your initial statement and had to humble my own comment. You pretty much said what I was inferring.
As is, you had a darn good team in 2018 (shoutout to the duo of Kamara and Ingram as well as the four at minimum fringe pro bowl linemen you had), but yeah, if you take Lamar, you are likely in a better spot post Brees. Marcus Davenport is ok, but certainly a missed opportunity.
Rodgers went at about the right spot, I'm a Packers fan and a huge Rodgers fan. If you can understand why Rodgers going in the 20's was the right spot for him then you can understand why so many players turn out to be busts. If Aaron Rodgers went in the top 10, it's highly likely he's a bust. He'd go to a team that wasn't good and be thrust into a starting job when he needed A LOT of improving before he was ready- even when he did start 3 years later he didn't come out of the gate looking like a great QB.
Totally agree with you, I always wonder how different history could have been if Alex Smith didn't go Number 1 in that draft and went to a team where he could develop. Maybe he would have been an all timer alike Aaron is.
@@MckieDs595 I think most of us are really accepting of Jordan Love and place reasonable expectations on him, no one expects him to be like Favre or Rodgers
@@bennet2456 So far...History is repeating itself ;). I do hope Jordan Love does well and turns out to be a great player. I mean he'll be starting after the same number of years Aaron Rodgers had to wait before taking over the starting job after Favre. Brett Favre went on to play for the Jets, just like Aaron Rodgers is looking to be playing for next season. Weird. Maybe we'll get lucky a 3rd time again. Favre...Rodgers...Love. Fingers crossed.
The other thing about Marino was he was supposed to be a lock to sign with the USFL's LA Express as he was drafted #1 for the fledgling league in January. They were prepared to give him a ridiculous contract. He even made appearances for the team. Jim Kelly ended up signing with the Houston Gamblers. As for Lamar Jackson, as a Cardinal fan I wish we stayed put at 15 that year and drafted him then went defense the following year(had we still ended up with the #1 pick) instead of trading up and wasting the #10 pick on Rosen only to draft Murray the following year.
How can anyone be a fan of a team that doesn't even make an attempt to field a winning team? Hiring head coaches other teams wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. A losing team is more profitable than a winning team and because phoenix is a transient town, the Cardinals don't need to win to sell tickets because the stadium is usually full of fans of the visiting team.
I have only ever watched one NFL Draft. It was Brady Quinn. Seeing him with his girlfriend was the beginning of a good time. After he fell, and fell, and fell, watching her was the greatest show on television.
Still amazed that Rosen said that. He had no business going in the first round. Instead of thanking his lucky stars he had the arrogance to make an idiotic statement like that. Everyone paying attention knew he was the mistake. Great to see a happy ending there.
@@Scottsdaleofficesteveas a dolphins fan, I was pissed the bills took Allen. I wanted 'us' to trade tannehill and picks to you so 'we' could have him lol
Manziel actually had a lot of potential. He came to Seattle in 2015 which I went to go see and was surprised by his ability to evade and do good things with the football. Even Pete Carrol acknowledged his skills before the game. But obviously his off the field problems helped kill his career unfortunately.
He needed to be shelved and allowed to party for a year as a third stringer, then jumped on and forced to mature. In that alternate reality he probably is a really big name.
I remember people thought desean Jackson was to small and not strong enough but he proved everyone wrong. The best deep threat in nfl history and one of the most electrifying players ever. Not bad for a 5'10 175lbs man. Paved the way for those short speedy guys
@@andrewpierce1588 you crazy. Jackson has the most 60 + receiving tds in nfl history and 2nd most or 1st for 50 +. Do your homework and check it for yourself. Jackson doesn't even have moss height or athleticism and yet has broken tons of records. Cmon now
lLamar unique, great vision understanding of the game, doesn't hesitate that tremendous shortstop type arm not much wind up. Am a Lamar fan always so many running qb type offenses in college he broke thru
As a cowboys fan, I’ll never forget how nervous I was about Jerry going after Johnny. I didn’t want him. Most cowboys fans didn’t want him. We were/are already the most dramatic team in the league, we didn’t need more. Getting Martin, a future HOFer was lit. Stephen Jones stepped up to his daddy that day and it paid off 😮💨
Laremy isn't on this list?? That's a mistake by the video maker then if that's the case. I can't remember a lineman that you felt would be a really good player just suddenly ripped off of draft boards seemingly LIVE. There are few players I can remember as visibly draft wise. Willis fall I think was just teams being reasonable about that QB crop. I think the media desperately drummed up the idea he was a 1st rounder fringe because QB's are more exciting for draft stories/analysis and trade potential. And when you look back,there was a LOT of incredibly desperate, almost begging by the media to make a move happened. I remember feeling relieved, not only for not overdrafting him, but I felt he had a place he could potentially develop. He's looked raw so far and thats being incredibly kind.
Geno Smith and his family were so confident that he was going in the 1st round that they came to NYC and didn't get a hotel room or even pack a change of clothes. If you see Geno on the first day, he's all decked out in a fancy suit. But on the second, he had on a sweater that he had to run out and buy in the city. Always be prepared.
Alex Smith was untested. Aaron Rodgers had 23 consecutive completions against the #1 defense in college football in 2004. Can't wait to see how the story turns out for AR.
Something else that a lot of people don't know about Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp: The Browns were set to have the very next pick after the Jets (#10 overall). Their head coach at the time was Bill Belichick. And from what I've heard, Kyle Brady was the only name on their board. When the Jets took him, the Browns war room was so shocked and unprepared that they traded 20 spots down (yes, you're reading that correctly) with the defending champion 49ers. The Niners took J.J. Stokes with that tenth pick, by the way, and Cleveland ended up selecting Craig Powell at #30, who only lasted three seasons in the league.
18:44 - Dick Vermeil talking about being careful drafting people with off the field issues. Meanwhile two years earlier in 1996 he selected one of the greatest character issues/ busts ever in RB Lawrence Phillips.
@@Sheriff_Curtis My understanding was that Phillips was an even greater risk than Moss given his violent acts while at Nebraska. So when he was still drafted high in the top ten, all eyes turned to St. Louis to ask "why?". Vermeil said he had the organization that could keep Phillips in line on and off the field. Vermeil was either letting his emotions go overboard once again, or he was full of BS, and just wanted a big talent to start winning games.
I get that your generation has this weird inability to learn things, but older folks used to change their opinions when experience or new information changed their perspective. I know, it's really hard to grasp in your position, but it's a thing people used to be able to do.
Nakobe Dean going from the 1st round all the way to the 3rd was a pretty big one I think aswell. I seen him going top 20 in so many mocks to not even go top 100
Ah yes, NFL Top 10. It was pretty good from 2007-2014 or so, then they changed things up stylistically and didn’t present in as engaging a manner over the last five years.
Alex Smith really played in the perfect system in Utah. He was coached by Urban Meyer before he went big time. I remember Utah steamrolling everyone they played that year. They played in a BCS bowl that year against Pittsburgh and clobbered them. Basically couldn't be stopped. Rodgers was just unfortunate that not that many teams needed a QB that year. This is how you get Tua at #5 and Herbert at #6 without having to trade up.
I don’t consider someone who is picked late in the first round to be a slide A slide to me is something like Malik Willis from 2022 He was projected to maybe be picked as high second overall, he was in the green room on day 1. He was not picked until day 2. When you get in your nice suit and stand up there with all the other rookies and at the end of the night you have to go back to your hotel without knowing what your future holds, that is a slide.
I mean a slide list needs to be based on a few categories. How far did they slide? How famous were they in college? How famous did they get in the NFL? How many teams regretted not picking him? It really only takes the first round for every team to pass on a HOF
I feel like Geno Smith’s career after that night is the age old tale of the quality player who was overhyped by the media to create a storyline for the occasion. Glad he’s found a place in Seattle, what a storyline it became.
As a Panthers fan I'm required to hate Sapp, obviously, but he got really fucked over. Even if some of the logic was bad against some of the others, at least it was really about them. He got fucked by some shit that someone just completely fabricated out of thin air.
Johnny Football sliding that far was so entertaining and people were just like “WHY TF NO ONE TAKING HIM HES GENERATIONAL” ofc he didn’t turn out in the end but it was mad bamboozling to see manziel fall that low
Obviously it hurts to see other players in your position get drafted before you but in a glass half full way, there's gotta be some relief during the sliding process that you know you're likely gonna go to a better organization because of it.
I think the pain mostly comes from losing out on millions of dollars and people you feel like are worse than you getting it instead. Obviously there is a silver lining like you stated though.
In that 1995 NFL Draft the Patriots got Curtis Martin in the 3rd round with the number 74 pick. In the 6th round at pick #195 they took RB Dino Philyaw from Oregon. Pick 196 was RB Terrell Davis could you have imagined how good that backfield could have been if the Patriots went with Davis.
20:54 it’s actually wild if you think about it. Compare Burrow’s senior year, arguably the most prolific in history throwing 60 TDS and 6 picks to Marino’s entire 4 year starting career with 79 TDS and 69 picks - JB had more yards in his two LSU seasons after transferring than Marino did total on a perennial top ranked Pitt team. He threw 23 picks 2 years in a row haha that’s wild. I love Dan but boy he was a slinger
There’s also the possibility that Burrow’s college coach asked him to throw more often. No knock on Burrow, but let’s face it, in general teams ran a lot more in the early 80’s than the late 2010’s as schemes, rules and tendancies change.
Ik it’s early but I think Malik Willis is an all time draft slide, even if he doesn’t end up becoming a franchise quarterback. Some projected him to go at 2 to the lions and he fell all the way to the 100s
@@ringosteel3800 Same. They were desperate to move more QB's up into the 1st that when you looked at the film, just weren't worthy of a 1st rounder. There was a large bag of random QB's they wanted a team to swoon over. The draft with EJ Manuel/Geno Smith is the closest I can mentally recall at that level of "will there/won't there" regarding a single first round QB. And EJ could've easily been the Malik Willis scenario reversed.
Lienart doesn’t belong on this list. Had a terrible career and still was picked 10th OVERALL. Not even late first round. Got picked tenth and was TERRIBLE at football and had a horrible career. That’s not that bad of a slide
I really think Leonard might have succeeded if Kurt Warner wasn't so damn good after AZ went to the super Bowl all thoughts of developing Leonard were gone, as no doubt was his confidence
As a Steelers fan I will never forgive the other NFL teams that passed on Lamar Jackson, the entire time I knew he was gonna be a stud in the NFL and yet team after team passed on him, and then right as I thought a team I liked could pick him up in the second round the ravens snag him and my heart sank.
Love him or hate him is Rodger’s was a niner or even had a top 10 defense most of his career he’d be a multiple Super Bowl champ winner but I’ve been a fan of his since he was drafted and most playoffs games he’s had some of the worst luck I’ve ever seen when Brady, mahomes, manning never got this bad luck moments. Like the Seahawks championship game which is just straight unreal, the cardinals game where he throws back to back hailmarys to tie the game just for the defense to give up a huge play in OT On one play to lose the game at the point and many other times. he consistently put up points but most of the time the defense ruined everything and it was a topic for years and years until you know COVID happened and then all of a sudden he’s the biggest enemy to the media……
Man EJ Manuel was such a disaster of a QB. Not like Geno wasn't but you have to think that would have been a better pick, really anyone else would have.
Some of these slides turned out to be totally understandable lol, others like Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, etc were huge misses on the teams that needed QBs
There's a good chance the elite players that got passed on wouldn't have blossomed like they did had they been picked first overall. Being passed on gave them motivation unlike anything else to prove those teams made a big mistake by overlooking them. There's only one thing more motivating than believing in someone. It's NOT believing in them. The desire to prove them wrong ignited many of the best players to become legends.
Can we honest about Geno? He had the worst luck with teams starting off. The Jets were TERRIBLE and have been terrible until this season, and this was a trending rebuilding season, then the Giants, same situation, terrible from then until now & he was a backup after that. The Seahawks team this year is also a rebuilding team but even so it was literally the best team he’s ever had in his 10 year career
Funny, how Jay Cutler outgunned Matt Leinart and Vince Young to have a better NFL career. Plus, Cutler got the better lady; he got to hit it with Kristin Cavallari! Lol 😁
Ripping cigs on the sidelines like "dude... eff this, I'm set." Gotta respect the confidence/indifference. Loved watching my boy Rodgers tear the Bears up and him just being like "Idc, I'm going home to Kristin."
You’re crazy. He balled out in a pro-style offense. His passing and running numbers were off the charts. You’re repeating the pre-draft rhetoric nonsense that caused him to slide. It had zero basis in reality.
Being a diehard Jets fan, seeing Geno Smith have a great redemption story is great but bitter at the same time. I don't hate him at all. It's just I wish he would done that with us. Missed opportunity for sure.
Lamar was insane to fall considering Josh Rosen was chose in that draft top 10
Can we not talk about that I'd like to forget that man ever played professional football lol. Barely even a year and he was cut. What a waste.
Rosen was picked caused they thought he was nfl ready , Lamar slid because he didn’t wanna play rb/wr
Keep that in mind when you hear all these folks say Lamar won't be able to stay healthy. Experts thought he needed to play WR in the first place.
@@clv735 yeah and these "experts" work for the teams that pick in the top 10 every year. I have said this one statement since I was a player/coach in high school: stop firing/hiring coaches on a carousel and actually evaluate the people scouting/recruiting these players because they are the ones that need to go. Their logic is "let's try to fit a square peg into a round hole" and see what happens. Yay, you get to pick in the top 10 AGAIN next year.
Josh WHO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean, the Browns did get Joe Thomas. Who by the way, was the best offensive linemen of his era, and just got elected to the Hall of Fame.
Shame they wasted his hall of fame career
@@packersauburneric3625The Browns haven't had a good QB since Kosar in the 80's. That's why they were so desperate to get Watson. Hopefully he works out for them or that trade will have set the franchise back at least 6-8 years.
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The Browns have wasted pretty much EVERYONES career since they’ve come back lol
I mean even a blind dog finds a bone once in awhile
Thomas deserves better. The Browns wasted his career.
Lamar going 32 was criminal, but the ARod one is the weirdest to me. From going from either being the #1 pick all the way to #22 is insane
I saw a doc about that draft. It was a unique situation since not many teams actually needed a QB in that given year.
this was also before the rookie limit on contracts, first rounders could get a ton of money before it was instituted in 2010
Of course my dear Vikings get punished for it too
Not only that he then sat for 3 years
I think we are seeing now why Lemar went at 32, character issues. All the interviews, all the time he went to other teams, they saw it.
I think it's obvious all the GMs saw him as an issue with NPD and Baltimore took a shot.
He refuses to get an agent, he refuses to entertain options, yet still wants to get paid like other QBs that hired good agents.
Jaylen Hurts didn't get that bag from being an A hole with NPD thinking "I can do it myself, f all y'all." That's what all the teams in that draft saw. It's obvious now.
I mean, come on, he's unrestricted, no one is wanting to deal with him.
Dude needs some humble pie.
I also think it's funny how all the locker room issues reported about him are being ignored right now with the contract issue going on.
Laremy Tunsil's draft day was pretty wild too
Especially since a family member leaked the photo! Made it work though easily a top 5 tackle in the league
Insane how teams found that bad, I would’ve taken him #1. Bro has lungs of steel
@@Josh-dy4lq Most teams were just afraid of getting another Josh Gordon
I think he'd go top 5 at least in a a redraft.
Will Levis slide gonna be next
Rip Demariyus Thomas
Rip. He lived up to being selected ahead of Dez Bryant.
❤️
Rip to Demaryius Thomas
Lets ride
And won a Superbowl @@rodrigoalves95
Alex Smith's pathetic attempt at hitting that tire when Rodgers hit it perfectly is burned in my memory.
Imagine he fell like Rodgers did and the chiefs took him lmao
That alone should had made the 49ers select Rodgers first
He is threading the needle and they the other guy
Yeah, I remember that too, but it's also a really, really dumb way to guage acurracy on a football field. No NFL scout put a drop of stock in it, because it's dumb. Alex Smith would have had a similar or better career than Rodgers if he'd stayed healthy
@@thelastmanonearth2631 💀💀 stupidest comment I’ve ever seen
Sometimes the fall truly is what's best. It allowed people like Moss and Lamar to really, really blow up.
Don’t forget Jalen Hurts
Lamar blows. I wouldn’t draft him 32nd to bag groceries. Moss was great
@@markalton4610 🤡
Moss only slid cause of drug busts. Overall he wasn't bad character, but made some poor immature decisions.
@@IntroducingMrLucci it’s interesting to me that Dick Vermil would talk about character issues… I know he wasn’t coach at the time but Lawrence Phillips is the perfect example of that
Imagine how many rings the 49ers would've had with rodger especially with the defense the last 14 years
Wouldn’t be as easy as you think. If Aaron goes to San Fran, he keeps carrying them to the playoffs, no way they’re in position to draft all those great defensive players
Or a coach who didn't crumble in 2/3 title opportunity 4th quarters. Philly was a fluke.
2 at best
They'd have no more than they do. Rodgers sucks in the playoffs
He sat for 3 years on the bench learning. Think he'd be as good as he got if he started right away? Doubt it.
R. Moss would never let the Cowboys forget how they did him dirty.
I'll never let them forget either! Lol
Yep, a perfect 7-0 against them in his career
If he doesn’t slide, he’s in the top three or four.
He received Heisman votes I believe.
Randy went exactly where he needed to be. Dallas didn't have someone that would be as good of a mentor as Cris Carter was. Randy would've struggled with off the field stuff in Dallas.
Dez Bryant was all about his “X” celebration for all the touchdowns he scored!
Man it's like Geno knew exactly what would happen to him when the Jets picked him. Truly a cursed franchise.
Got recommended to me after Will Levis dropped out of the first round. Brutal
I swear, me too 😂
Levis had no business going anywhere near the first round. He's Josh Rosen 2.0
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@@onomatopoeia300Guess we’ll find out how good he really is in 2024
DK Metcalf had a huge slide as well. Going into the draft a lot of mocks had him going top 10 and he was selected 64th.
Side note, Watching Gino being picked and his journey up until now is almost movie like. Good for Gino and his resilience.
Yup, feel good story for sure !!
If only a hawks defensive end was blocked by a 4th string tight end in the wild card
Idk about that he had one good season lol calm down bud
@@Youngmexico72 oh I still feel the same way. I still think giving him a contract was weird
Geno
Was Manziel really a slide though? Fans were clamoring for him to be picked in the 1st but most NFL scouts had a late round grade on him.
It definitely was entertaining waiting to see where he would eventually be picked.
I remember really disliking johnny, not just because of his attitude, but he was a through and through college QB and not pro QB. I had a 3rd round grade on him due to potentially being a good QB if properly coached and sat a couple years.
It’s only a slide by the perspective of fans at that time. Looking back at it now it was very clear his play style wouldn’t translate to the NFL not even mentioning all the off field drama
HALF OF THESE aren’t slides
You are right, Manziel was a fan creation. Most scouts had a late round grade for him. I had him as a 5th rounder. Browns are dumb.
@@davebowman5152 manziels problem was he didn’t study play books and understand the art behind football. His football iq wasn’t good and his partying hurt him a lot.
For those too young to remember, Aaron Rodgers was CLEARLY the best QB in that draft. He was slated to go #1 for awhile. His slide was more dramatic than all the others because even if he didn't go #1, you wouldn't expect a guy like him to go past the top 5. Especially not 20 years ago when teams were more willing to pull the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft. I still can't believe Alex Smith was selected over him. It blew my mind at the time and it still blows my mind today. I think Alex Smith came across as more mature and he had a young Urban Meyer blowing the bullhorn for him constantly. Rodgers came across as a little like a frat guy and that could be a reason he fell, but he was clearly so much more talented than Alex Smith to an extreme degree. The fall to #24 was insane. John Elway got drafted #1 to the Colts in the 80s despite the fact that he said he would never play for their organization lol so they traded him to Denver. Rodgers should have been #1. I thought it at the time and never changed my mind. He was too good to pass on unless you had a legit HOF QB in his prime at QB.
Manti Te’o. Wasn’t out of the conversation for #1 in 2013 and then fell to the second round
I think the lesson there is to not have a fake girlfriend
@@depressedchargersfan8061 a fake dead girlfriend
@@austinhensley6553 a fake dead man girlfriend
@@austinhensley6553 watch the documentary, he got hoodwinked
He’s actually a really good guy. The whole thing was freaking weird.
That Aaron Rodgers draft night was something else, falling to 24 and all the cameras on you live watching your hopes and dreams get crushed.
Ridiculously painful to even watch this happen to someone.
Lots of people here are probably too young to remember Marino's rookie year but he was pretty much 100% ready from day one.
The best pure passer to ever play
Huh? Marino himself credits a lot of his transition to the NFL going so well to Don Strock's mentoring. Coach Shula was also an excellent resource. He also was 23 when he hit the league, which a lot of these players now are pressured to come in earlier before graduating from college, leaving themselves emotionally and mentally not ready to handle the pressure of helming a billion dollar franchise's fortunes.
I dont think what you're saying is necessarily true, he came in physically ready and old/mature enough to handle it, but his learning curve was accelerated by an excellent coach and qb mentor that allowed him to smooth it over on the fly. His supporting offensive cast was also excellent. If he was just flopped out there with no protection, no mentor and no co-stars like a lot of guys are when they're expected to "save this franchise" he probably would have failed too.
This reads better if I take your second paragraph first. @@booradley6832
Brady Quinn's issue was that he simply couldn't process plays fast enough. The game was just too fast for him.
They traded a first for him, and it turned out 07 wasn’t a year to pick a quarterback (Drew Stanton was arguably the best that year).
That’s most players
His biggest issue was going to Cleveland and that they kept benching him for Anderson rather than just sticking it out to see his development instead. Had they just stuck it out, or if he had gone elsewhere to a team that could have coached him correctly I think he would have been fine. His game against the Lions showed his potential.
@@BestSportsVids The latter option. Giving players good mentors and a support system is a steady predictor of good QB development.
The sucky thing about Rogers's fall, is imagine if he had gone to the 49ers and what his stats could be not sitting behind Favre for three years. Perhaps it allowed him to develop enough to get running instead of faltering, but I would love to see the universe in which he went #1
He easily has more Super Bowl rings if he gets taken by the 49ers.
@@lpseudonyml the 49ers burned through like 5 head coaches alex smiths first 5 years. aaron rodgers might be out of the league by 2010. Alex hung around mostly bc of his great attitude or ownership wouldve given up on him like the coaches
@@RainmakerXBooty True, but at the same time, one could also argue that if Rodgers did pan out, he’d potentially have a team with a better defense in some of his prime years.
The Green Bay defenses in the years after their Super Bowl win are often described as mid or trash, whereas San Francisco’s defense was the better component of a Super Bowl team, and a further two conference championship teams in the early 2010’s.
He is as good as he is BECAUSE he sat behind farve
Watch some of his tape early on in the NFL, nothing more miraculous than falling and having to be humbled (momentarily, dudes a douche on camera) could have happened to him
Edit: I reread your initial statement and had to humble my own comment. You pretty much said what I was inferring.
As a SAINTS fan, the Lamar/Brees/Michael Thomas/Sean Payton dream combo makes me cry for real 😔
As is, you had a darn good team in 2018 (shoutout to the duo of Kamara and Ingram as well as the four at minimum fringe pro bowl linemen you had), but yeah, if you take Lamar, you are likely in a better spot post Brees.
Marcus Davenport is ok, but certainly a missed opportunity.
Man if we had Lamar it would've been so fiya. My favorite team the Saints with my favorite current player, would've been great.
@@17thN.Obut instead you got five solid years of Marcus Davenport
@@fortynights1513Marcus davenbum was absolutely not ok 😂
Rodgers went at about the right spot, I'm a Packers fan and a huge Rodgers fan. If you can understand why Rodgers going in the 20's was the right spot for him then you can understand why so many players turn out to be busts. If Aaron Rodgers went in the top 10, it's highly likely he's a bust. He'd go to a team that wasn't good and be thrust into a starting job when he needed A LOT of improving before he was ready- even when he did start 3 years later he didn't come out of the gate looking like a great QB.
Totally agree with you, I always wonder how different history could have been if Alex Smith didn't go Number 1 in that draft and went to a team where he could develop. Maybe he would have been an all timer alike Aaron is.
Agreed. Think about inheriting the 2005 Niners vs 2005 Packers. The coaches, the culture, the ability to sit behind Favre and learn from the sideline.
Yea unfortunately, y’all won’t give the next guy the same treatment. Y’all already giving up on him.
@@MckieDs595 I think most of us are really accepting of Jordan Love and place reasonable expectations on him, no one expects him to be like Favre or Rodgers
@@bennet2456 So far...History is repeating itself ;). I do hope Jordan Love does well and turns out to be a great player. I mean he'll be starting after the same number of years Aaron Rodgers had to wait before taking over the starting job after Favre. Brett Favre went on to play for the Jets, just like Aaron Rodgers is looking to be playing for next season. Weird. Maybe we'll get lucky a 3rd time again. Favre...Rodgers...Love. Fingers crossed.
I guess Brady's fall was too long to be in this video. 😂
No one would’ve thought he was good in 2000
Totally
but he wasnt a good prospect at the time
Nobody was expecting him to get drafted.
Brady didn't fall. He was never projected to be a first or even second round pick.
The other thing about Marino was he was supposed to be a lock to sign with the USFL's LA Express as he was drafted #1 for the fledgling league in January. They were prepared to give him a ridiculous contract. He even made appearances for the team. Jim Kelly ended up signing with the Houston Gamblers. As for Lamar Jackson, as a Cardinal fan I wish we stayed put at 15 that year and drafted him then went defense the following year(had we still ended up with the #1 pick) instead of trading up and wasting the #10 pick on Rosen only to draft Murray the following year.
How can anyone be a fan of a team that doesn't even make an attempt to field a winning team? Hiring head coaches other teams wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. A losing team is more profitable than a winning team and because phoenix is a transient town, the Cardinals don't need to win to sell tickets because the stadium is usually full of fans of the visiting team.
I have only ever watched one NFL Draft. It was Brady Quinn. Seeing him with his girlfriend was the beginning of a good time. After he fell, and fell, and fell, watching her was the greatest show on television.
Reminder that Josh Rosen, who was taken 22 picks before Lamar, said “there were nine mistakes made ahead of me”
Still amazed that Rosen said that. He had no business going in the first round. Instead of thanking his lucky stars he had the arrogance to make an idiotic statement like that. Everyone paying attention knew he was the mistake. Great to see a happy ending there.
I still remember being pissed the Bills took Josh Allen over Rosen...glad I was wrong LOL
@@Scottsdaleofficesteveas a dolphins fan, I was pissed the bills took Allen. I wanted 'us' to trade tannehill and picks to you so 'we' could have him lol
“Nothing I’m happy to be a raven it don’t matter” right there he put the league on notice
Manziel actually had a lot of potential. He came to Seattle in 2015 which I went to go see and was surprised by his ability to evade and do good things with the football. Even Pete Carrol acknowledged his skills before the game. But obviously his off the field problems helped kill his career unfortunately.
He needed to be shelved and allowed to party for a year as a third stringer, then jumped on and forced to mature. In that alternate reality he probably is a really big name.
Nah I knew manziel was nothing but a frat boy all the way . I watched him closely in college.
I went to that game too! I wore my manziel browns jersey
I remember people thought desean Jackson was to small and not strong enough but he proved everyone wrong. The best deep threat in nfl history and one of the most electrifying players ever. Not bad for a 5'10 175lbs man. Paved the way for those short speedy guys
You crazy. The best deep threat of all time was Moss. Jackson’s numbers don’t come close.
@@andrewpierce1588 you crazy. Jackson has the most 60 + receiving tds in nfl history and 2nd most or 1st for 50 +. Do your homework and check it for yourself. Jackson doesn't even have moss height or athleticism and yet has broken tons of records. Cmon now
@@247JesusFreek stats are for losers
And he still burns ppl 💀💀 man is a beast
@@andrewpierce1588 lol you’re delusional Jackson definitely best deep threat
lLamar unique, great vision understanding of the game, doesn't hesitate that tremendous shortstop type arm not much wind up. Am a Lamar fan always so many running qb type offenses in college he broke thru
DK Metcalf falling to 64
Not really a fall since many expected him to go in the 2nd round. Was expected to go early 2nd though
yeah he had injury problems (ankle and foot I believe)
Patriots drafted Nkeal Harry over like 7 pro bowl receivers one of them was DK.
The Seahawks drafted DK at 64, cool!
@@davebowman5152 DK Metcalf is THE draft slide. He was No. 17 on PFF draft board over all other Wide Reciever. And also he crushed the combine.
As a cowboys fan, I’ll never forget how nervous I was about Jerry going after Johnny. I didn’t want him. Most cowboys fans didn’t want him. We were/are already the most dramatic team in the league, we didn’t need more. Getting Martin, a future HOFer was lit. Stephen Jones stepped up to his daddy that day and it paid off 😮💨
Malik Willis and Laremy Tunsil should've at least been honorable mentions.
Laremy isn't on this list?? That's a mistake by the video maker then if that's the case. I can't remember a lineman that you felt would be a really good player just suddenly ripped off of draft boards seemingly LIVE. There are few players I can remember as visibly draft wise.
Willis fall I think was just teams being reasonable about that QB crop. I think the media desperately drummed up the idea he was a 1st rounder fringe because QB's are more exciting for draft stories/analysis and trade potential. And when you look back,there was a LOT of incredibly desperate, almost begging by the media to make a move happened. I remember feeling relieved, not only for not overdrafting him, but I felt he had a place he could potentially develop. He's looked raw so far and thats being incredibly kind.
All coached by hugh freeze
Geno Smith and his family were so confident that he was going in the 1st round that they came to NYC and didn't get a hotel room or even pack a change of clothes. If you see Geno on the first day, he's all decked out in a fancy suit. But on the second, he had on a sweater that he had to run out and buy in the city. Always be prepared.
8:30 "...it's a risk. It's a gamble. No Question." How 'bout now?
Alex Smith was untested. Aaron Rodgers had 23 consecutive completions against the #1 defense in college football in 2004. Can't wait to see how the story turns out for AR.
Tbf that throwing motion was hideous 😂
Something else that a lot of people don't know about Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp:
The Browns were set to have the very next pick after the Jets (#10 overall). Their head coach at the time was Bill Belichick. And from what I've heard, Kyle Brady was the only name on their board. When the Jets took him, the Browns war room was so shocked and unprepared that they traded 20 spots down (yes, you're reading that correctly) with the defending champion 49ers. The Niners took J.J. Stokes with that tenth pick, by the way, and Cleveland ended up selecting Craig Powell at #30, who only lasted three seasons in the league.
Side nnote about Kyle Brady:
If I’m not mistaken he played for Bill Belichick in 2007 at the end of his career.
RIP DT. Great receiver for the Broncos. They took the right guy.
Brock Purdy proves that NFL talent evaluators have no clue.
18:44 - Dick Vermeil talking about being careful drafting people with off the field issues. Meanwhile two years earlier in 1996 he selected one of the greatest character issues/ busts ever in RB Lawrence Phillips.
burned by experience
I mean that gives him credence for saying that, prior experience.
@@Sheriff_Curtis My understanding was that Phillips was an even greater risk than Moss given his violent acts while at Nebraska. So when he was still drafted high in the top ten, all eyes turned to St. Louis to ask "why?". Vermeil said he had the organization that could keep Phillips in line on and off the field.
Vermeil was either letting his emotions go overboard once again, or he was full of BS, and just wanted a big talent to start winning games.
I get that your generation has this weird inability to learn things, but older folks used to change their opinions when experience or new information changed their perspective. I know, it's really hard to grasp in your position, but it's a thing people used to be able to do.
@@TheAlfrulzI mean he had Phillips going good for a bit in STL, shame it couldn’t last.
Instead of calling it the draft they should just call it "Rich Eisen says There it is for 3 hours"
Nakobe Dean going from the 1st round all the way to the 3rd was a pretty big one I think aswell. I seen him going top 20 in so many mocks to not even go top 100
Eagles D should be called The Big Dawgs with all the Georgia players they have from last year n this
😦 NFL bringing back Top 10??? 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Ah yes, NFL Top 10.
It was pretty good from 2007-2014 or so, then they changed things up stylistically and didn’t present in as engaging a manner over the last five years.
“They wrote me off but I never wrote back”
Lol I love that
Dez Bryant playing with Moss and Brady if New England would had drafted him would of been legendary!
Johnny Manziel is the best slide because he completely deserved it. His story ended sadder than it was in that moment making it so fun to watch.
Watching someone’s life and career fall apart in real time is fun to watch for you? That’s insanely sad.
Marino "I think I threw 5. After you throw 3 what's the difference?" Good point,just keep slinging it lol 😆 😂
Alex Smith really played in the perfect system in Utah. He was coached by Urban Meyer before he went big time. I remember Utah steamrolling everyone they played that year. They played in a BCS bowl that year against Pittsburgh and clobbered them. Basically couldn't be stopped. Rodgers was just unfortunate that not that many teams needed a QB that year. This is how you get Tua at #5 and Herbert at #6 without having to trade up.
I don’t consider someone who is picked late in the first round to be a slide
A slide to me is something like Malik Willis from 2022
He was projected to maybe be picked as high second overall, he was in the green room on day 1. He was not picked until day 2.
When you get in your nice suit and stand up there with all the other rookies and at the end of the night you have to go back to your hotel without knowing what your future holds, that is a slide.
I mean a slide list needs to be based on a few categories. How far did they slide? How famous were they in college? How famous did they get in the NFL? How many teams regretted not picking him?
It really only takes the first round for every team to pass on a HOF
I feel like Geno Smith’s career after that night is the age old tale of the quality player who was overhyped by the media to create a storyline for the occasion. Glad he’s found a place in Seattle, what a storyline it became.
I love that Sapp had such an amazing career to make up for that terrible draft night drama
As a Panthers fan I'm required to hate Sapp, obviously, but he got really fucked over. Even if some of the logic was bad against some of the others, at least it was really about them. He got fucked by some shit that someone just completely fabricated out of thin air.
He proved them wrong.❤
bucs got brooks and sapp in the same round lmao
Johnny Football sliding that far was so entertaining and people were just like “WHY TF NO ONE TAKING HIM HES GENERATIONAL” ofc he didn’t turn out in the end but it was mad bamboozling to see manziel fall that low
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oh nice I am first :D
Let’s revisit this in 10 years when Kenny Pickett is a 2 time Super Bowl champion 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
lmfaoo
That dude will be lucky if he's still in the NFL for another 2-3 years
Maybe as a waterboy
lol, what was I thinking
Man, Curtis Martin was a BEAST
The fashion was a lot better than nowadays with crazy chains and silly suits. They look much mature and dapper.
Obviously it hurts to see other players in your position get drafted before you but in a glass half full way, there's gotta be some relief during the sliding process that you know you're likely gonna go to a better organization because of it.
I think the pain mostly comes from losing out on millions of dollars and people you feel like are worse than you getting it instead. Obviously there is a silver lining like you stated though.
In that 1995 NFL Draft the Patriots got Curtis Martin in the 3rd round with the number 74 pick. In the 6th round at pick #195 they took RB Dino Philyaw from Oregon. Pick 196 was RB Terrell Davis could you have imagined how good that backfield could have been if the Patriots went with Davis.
Don’t forget Bo Callahan
Love that lamar was so humble about falling and 5 years later he got his bag
Biggest bust in that draft
@@SnoopyReadsTroll
@@Sisyphus.. how dare you
Kind of unreal in hindsight that Mahomes didn't go til #10.
Sometimes I wonder if the same player would have had the success they had if they didn't fall in a draft
20:54 it’s actually wild if you think about it. Compare Burrow’s senior year, arguably the most prolific in history throwing 60 TDS and 6 picks to Marino’s entire 4 year starting career with 79 TDS and 69 picks - JB had more yards in his two LSU seasons after transferring than Marino did total on a perennial top ranked Pitt team. He threw 23 picks 2 years in a row haha that’s wild. I love Dan but boy he was a slinger
There’s also the possibility that Burrow’s college coach asked him to throw more often.
No knock on Burrow, but let’s face it, in general teams ran a lot more in the early 80’s than the late 2010’s as schemes, rules and tendancies change.
Different times and different teams.
Brady Quinn looked so sad bruh
Omg his gf left his ass
he lost millions
He sucked.
Now he's on cbs sports
Talking about Warren Sapp...he is probably the biggest draft steal. The guy was awesome to watch!!
Will levis on this list now
Whoever moved past Manziel, you did the right thing.. Laremy Tunsil's draft day was pretty wild too.
Ik it’s early but I think Malik Willis is an all time draft slide, even if he doesn’t end up becoming a franchise quarterback. Some projected him to go at 2 to the lions and he fell all the way to the 100s
i don’t think tennessee wants him as a starter. there’s a reason josh dobbs played meaningful games over him
I don’t think most reasonable people picked him to go that high. Mainly just ESPN and clickbait that always want to sell the idea of high ranked qbs
@@ringosteel3800 Same. They were desperate to move more QB's up into the 1st that when you looked at the film, just weren't worthy of a 1st rounder. There was a large bag of random QB's they wanted a team to swoon over. The draft with EJ Manuel/Geno Smith is the closest I can mentally recall at that level of "will there/won't there" regarding a single first round QB. And EJ could've easily been the Malik Willis scenario reversed.
Lions fans knew that wasn't happening. I don't know how anyone in the league thought that was a possibility. It was Hutch all day.
You guys gonna keep making the first round vids from past drafts? Love those
Next year, you can add Will Levis to this list
i’m ready for the remake of this video in 1 year with will levis on this list
Lienart doesn’t belong on this list. Had a terrible career and still was picked 10th OVERALL. Not even late first round. Got picked tenth and was TERRIBLE at football and had a horrible career. That’s not that bad of a slide
I really think Leonard might have succeeded if Kurt Warner wasn't so damn good after AZ went to the super Bowl all thoughts of developing Leonard were gone, as no doubt was his confidence
RipDemaryius Thomas 💯
As a Steelers fan I will never forgive the other NFL teams that passed on Lamar Jackson, the entire time I knew he was gonna be a stud in the NFL and yet team after team passed on him, and then right as I thought a team I liked could pick him up in the second round the ravens snag him and my heart sank.
Bro that would’ve bin crazy if dez did end up with the Patriots
Love him or hate him is Rodger’s was a niner or even had a top 10 defense most of his career he’d be a multiple Super Bowl champ winner but I’ve been a fan of his since he was drafted and most playoffs games he’s had some of the worst luck I’ve ever seen when Brady, mahomes, manning never got this bad luck moments. Like the Seahawks championship game which is just straight unreal, the cardinals game where he throws back to back hailmarys to tie the game just for the defense to give up a huge play in OT On one play to lose the game at the point and many other times. he consistently put up points but most of the time the defense ruined everything and it was a topic for years and years until you know COVID happened and then all of a sudden he’s the biggest enemy to the media……
Man EJ Manuel was such a disaster of a QB. Not like Geno wasn't but you have to think that would have been a better pick, really anyone else would have.
That was the complete opposite of a draft slide ha. If I recall correctly EJ Manuel was projected to go in the 2nd round. What a blunder
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Justin Fields going in at 7 was the best thing bears ever did😊
Bears drafted Fields with pick 11, not 7.
We’ll see
😂😂😂 It's not an exact science
It’s kinda funny seeing the 2006 situation with Leinart/Young/Cutler and knowing that they all fizzled out of the NFL
Some of these slides turned out to be totally understandable lol, others like Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, etc were huge misses on the teams that needed QBs
Also glad to see Lamar come out on top even though “my” Pats passed on him. From what I’ve seen and read, he’s an solid guy
There's a good chance the elite players that got passed on wouldn't have blossomed like they did had they been picked first overall. Being passed on gave them motivation unlike anything else to prove those teams made a big mistake by overlooking them. There's only one thing more motivating than believing in someone. It's NOT believing in them. The desire to prove them wrong ignited many of the best players to become legends.
The fact that Aaron Rodgers’s sat behind favre for 3 years and still got 4 mvps a sb mvp and a ring is wild to me.
Can we honest about Geno? He had the worst luck with teams starting off. The Jets were TERRIBLE and have been terrible until this season, and this was a trending rebuilding season, then the Giants, same situation, terrible from then until now & he was a backup after that. The Seahawks team this year is also a rebuilding team but even so it was literally the best team he’s ever had in his 10 year career
Also if I’m not mistaken Sanchez got injured in the preseason, so Geno had to start immediately?
Nick Chubb was a slide and (due to injury in college) now he’s the best back in the nfl
Funny, how Jay Cutler outgunned Matt Leinart and Vince Young to have a better NFL career. Plus, Cutler got the better lady; he got to hit it with Kristin Cavallari! Lol 😁
Ripping cigs on the sidelines like "dude... eff this, I'm set." Gotta respect the confidence/indifference. Loved watching my boy Rodgers tear the Bears up and him just being like "Idc, I'm going home to Kristin."
rodgers 🐐💚💛
I know we haven’t seen him play much, but Nakobe Dean falling to the Eagles in the third round was crazy last year.
Nah
@@liltop2359 yeah
@@spideymcgee4718 nah
This video got me extra hyped for the draft
Lamar did not look like a Pro quarterback in college. He looked like an athlete. I’m not surprised he slid down. Josh Rosen fit the prototype.
Lol what he literally won heisman and could’ve won it twice he was way better than Rosen you are delusional
You’re crazy. He balled out in a pro-style offense. His passing and running numbers were off the charts. You’re repeating the pre-draft rhetoric nonsense that caused him to slide. It had zero basis in reality.
It’s honestly wild how many of these dudes were busts. NFL is hard.
We're just gonna sit here and ignore La'el Collins slide OUT of the draft?!
He was questioned by the cops about an ex's murder & his agent threatened a hold out if he was drafted past the third.
@@davidparkes7741 I didn't say WHY he wasn't, just THAT he wasn't. Still insane, no matter the reason.
To be fair Dez Bryant with the patriots would’ve been fucking crazy next to Randy Moss
The Browns & drafting QB busts… name a more iconic duo
Jerra Jones almost had another bad draft moment by almost picking Manziel.
22:55 the fact that they saw that and still took Alex smith over Rodgers 😂
Being a diehard Jets fan, seeing Geno Smith have a great redemption story is great but bitter at the same time. I don't hate him at all. It's just I wish he would done that with us. Missed opportunity for sure.