Jordan Peterson: How do you help someone who's lost and doesn't want help
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here is wisdom.
he is basically talking about every single forced alimony, imagine being forced to pay for a do nothing man and his child , yeah sucks right? now imagine if it was real, now that's what it feels like to be forced to drown with a parasite on your neck by the state.
Wisdom is Here.
"If you're trying to help and it doesn't work then STOP HELPING." I needed to hear this. I've tried too many times helping people who don't want to help themselves.
Whatever it takes to get you to stop annoying them. I've noticed that as long as people like you think you're doing good, you simply won't stop.
Same but that doesn’t seem to work either. It’s a living hell.
It's hard when you believe your help, is the only thing that is keeping them afloat. You're almost drowning with them. They have a child. What will happen...when everything goes to shit? You're life is put on hold, because you are to emotionally invested in them.
That lifeguard anaology was badass
Until you realize, that isn't how you save someone who is drowning in any of the red cross lifeguard or even coast guard manuals.
@@christianhernandez5928 How do you save them without drowning also?
@@christianhernandez5928 until you realise you don't know what you don't know.
"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved..."
She’s shallow sheeessss shalllooww she shallowww
My ex gf to a t an idiot
Came here to try and help my older brother he's been unemployed for 3 years and wakes up mid afternoon almost every day.
I see myself being pulled into that way of being by osmosis I've been trying to start a business but find myself lying in because "oh well he's also there" even though I have the knowledge and plan to market and sell my services.
That feelings compounded by the fact I'm the younger of two somewhat underachieving brothers who still live at home in our late 20s early and 30s.
Time to hold myself to a higher standard and be the change I want to see.👀
doobeedoobeedooo same situation man, it's been a month though how are things?
Don Chello Better, getting into a morning routine groove and on the right track to acquiring clients for my digital marketing agency. Finding the courage to make more and more sales calls, can't explain why I have any fear around that, probably just trying to protect my ego from failure.
My brothers still behaving like my mom's gonna work into her 70s though. 💩😷
doobeedoobeedooo that's good to hear man hope nothin but the best for ya
Update?
I was such untill I left my country and went travelling. Now I'm an immigrant in a far away land with no one and no government to lean on. Making enough to live comfortably and put some away too. You both need a kick in the back side, maybe he needs 2
The people that need love (advice/help) most are the ones that will refuse taking it. Although I get his point, it is one of the hardest skills to master, and not everyone will need it, to be able to help the unhelpable
My life has been a giant crisis situation for more than 6 years because of my brother. I won't hesitate to say that we've tried everything; tough love, following his requests to a T, kicking him out... we've lost everything in the process. Sometimes when things happen and I don't know what to do next, I watch this video and it helps me stay sane for a little while longer.
This time I have concluded that as humans, we try to control so much based on what we think is best. My brother isn't happy with his life. We aren't happy with anything either. However, I think we've finally reached a point where he's drown everyone except for myself. I think I just have to be okay with watching him drown, despite all that's happened. I can't do anymore than I've done. Listening doesn't help. Offering help doesn't help. He wants things I can't provide; I can't go on like this anymore.
Peace. Do what makes you happier you are important too.
Little same.
I have experiences on him with medical and surgical doctor things, a really bad year, lost his loving girlfriend, had to repeat exam to enter university and even when being happy about a good grade... pum, the cut line goes up because of covid and he cant enter his (for the second time) his career.
But whenever y try to help him, i get rejected.
I really appreciate him, not because of being my brother, but because he is such a great man, but now he is on a bad moment and he really needs a rest...
We can't work on a summer job (got thanks to dads boss on his restaurant) but still he has bad attitude and be very sad.
I am very sad too, but theres little i can do.
It really fuckes me up, so i hope he gets better by his decisions
Little improvements will generate more improvements. Thankfully
How is your relationship 1 year later sir?
thanks for reading, i needed this.
@@AlexxSt Thanks for your response. I hope a year from now you find your situation has improved. Unfortunately mine has not. My mother had to cut herself out of my brother's life because she ended up giving him 5 years worth of her retirement money and now she can't retire at least until she's 65. She stopped giving him money at the end of last November. I told him that I want to help him find subsidized housing/ get support, but he told me that he wanted to do things his way. I told him that he can do that, but he can't live with us. He said "Guess I don't have a family anymore then" and he stopped talking to me. He's been missing ever since and I'm too scared to try to contact him. It sounds bad, but every night I fear that he'll come back and kill us all as per his many past threats.
@@misscridic this is so sad... I thought I was having paranoia once I reckoned that I couldn't help my brother anymore and thought that if I stop, he might become angry one day and...kill me (or at least harm me "for finally letting him down" after 10 years)
I have been helping my gf with her school work n sometimes even writings assignments for her bt it seems like she doesn't appreciate tht,I wrote them not because she asked me to bt because I ddnt want her to fail n loose the bursary bt now I give up coz am even dropping academically becoz of am no longer focusing on my stuff. I can't do ths anymore,instead will use all my energy to improve mylife n help people who need help n appreciate it.Wish her all the best though n hope she will change one day....*
A long time ago I heard it said: Imagine you are standing on a chair holding the hand of someone standing on the floor next to you. If you try to pull the person on the floor up, and he simultaneously tries to pull you down, who do you think will succeed? This is similar to Peterson's lifeguard analogy. It's a good analogy for the kind of friends you choose: bad character corrupts good character.
I use a similar one but with quicksand.
Absolutly!. That has been my experience. One have to walk away and live the kind of life that shows the other clearly that there is a way out of suffering and despair, but we do it so by living not talking.
Tried helping my mother with her addiction for 20+ years. This was the lecture that finally helped me understand there was nothing I could do if she didn’t want to be found. She lost her battle in February of last year. I’ll always wonder if I could’ve done more, but I truly believe she didn’t want to be found, and that’s the hardest part to accept.
Our family had to leave my brother behind because he didn't want help. Basically a drugs and alcohol story but after years of trying different ways to help and get help it became clear that the only person who can help him was himself. Last I heard was was living on the streets. It's really sad but there's no other way.
My family loved my little brother over me they helped him way more than they've helped me. He's now a female gender fluid probably drug addict yet the majority of them favor him over me. Even my ex gf and so called friends he's apparently doing better than me too.
I thought I was wrong thank you for uploading this.
As a pool lifeguard they teach you to never go into the water to get someone who is actively drowning. They will flail and freak out and pull you down with them. This is a great analogy but so many people don't know about it even in the literal sense to be able to apply it to their relationships with toxic people. Bless you Mr Peterson.
I cried.
I needed to hear this today. Grateful for this man.
This man is amazing, love you Jordan (:
truth shines through and it heals
Thank you I needed to hear that.
You don't know how much I needed to hear this...
Truth..heartbreaking..but true..
That's wisdom,not cruelty. Thanks JP, im not wasting any more time or effort on those who will end up drowning me along with them
Thank you Jordan Peterson
You can only fix yourself
I have depression. I was seeing a counselor who suddenly died of cancer. I have been struggling to find someone to talk to. Someone who genuinely wants to help. I need someone to talk to :(
How are you doing now? Have you found help?
Have u considered betterhelp?
Absolutely enlightening! Thank you !
Absolutely true, Thank you.
Perfect advice, Thank you.
I keep making the same mistake good to hear this thank you!
Sad but so true....
Couldn't agree more!
The lifeguard analogy really hit it home for me. We're not drowning here together, I'm not letting that happen.
This helps me so much. A few months ago I effectively gave up on someone and since then they've spiralled further into madness. I wish I could help, and it hurts, but I don't help because ultimately I can't.
If others are forced to make themselves suffer so much, and you aren't, then you have an obligation to make as much as you can of yourself, at a minimum out of respect for them. I have to keep sorting myself out so that when there's a problem I really can solve, I'm ready.
And what about giving a helping hand and the other does not recognize it as a helping hand? What I mean is that some people are constantly depending on the helping hand you give, but they see it as for granted. When you withdraw, because it can be really draining for you (effort should at least be recognized) they are offended for doing such act. I find it complicated, because if you set boundaries, they perceive it as putting a wall between you and them, even if it is temporarily. And then you can do different actions: 1. Tell them you don't feel appreciated (where they blame you for being selfish)
2. "Didn't mean to do it" attitude (which means you give in)
3. Make a fortress of your wall (actually pushing people away or ignore them, for the sake of your well-being)
It is quite complicated to take a certain action, because you always lose.
Now, you can say "Drop those people, they are bad for you ." But what if you actually care for them?
Hoping for more actions that I might miss and deliver a better solution.
For Johanne... Who has made such a hell for herself and she can't get out of the black hole she is in. She doesn't want my help or my love. I hope you will change your mind Jojo.. But if you won't take my hand i will say Goodbye
Did she survive? It's been a year since this comment, give us an update mate, I hope things are good now, with you and her or only you
I wish more people could hede this message...
Absolutely.
I was studying rational vs logical the other day and ive been studying mbti and perception vs decisions and i realized that motivation is the difference between rational logic. Human beings are rational creatures. But our perception is blinded by our desires. Our goals determine what information we use and thus our decisions are logical in the context of our motivation. So only once person is sufficiently motivated to succeed will they see the things they need to see in order to capable of making the choices they need to make to improve.
THANK YOU DR PETERSON.
Sad but true
Amen to that
Never thought i would end up here
My sister is going through this. I so badly want to help her but nothing seems to take hold.
I’m married with several children. I can’t keep trying to save this drowning person, who I love, and neglecting my own family, particularly my children. It’s most unfair to them.
This is easier said than done and will take time to be realized, but it’s true.
I hope she can come out of this state she’s in, at least enough to be a contributing member of society.
In today's world there are so many lost people ... depressed people, wayward people etc. anybody who has ever lived with someone who is depressed knows there is nothing that they can do ... if you try to go down with them, they go down further, if you try to raise them they will not budge, if you try to ignore them, they are angry they are being ignored. ... it is like you might as well take your head and smash it against the wall. In our world .... people get frantic ...when something goes bad --- why wasn't there someone there to help them? Why? because they would not be helped. The only way you can help someone is if they come to you and say "tell me what to do" .. they themselves have to WANT to be helped. Jordan says "don't cast pearls before swine" as Catholics we all know ths quote extremely well. When Christ stood before Herod He wouldn't even open His mouth. Why talk to someone who doesn't want to hear you? For almost 2000 years The Catholic Church stood, with the basic idea that - when you need us, we are over here, you know where to find us and we will give you all the help you need. "knock and you shall receive" ... but if you don't knock, It's not going to come begging. That is before VII - VII brought a different philosophy (but that is another story) The mountain does not move - you have to go to the mountain. Mental health really gets under my skin ... with so many suicides ... people are like ... we need more help. There is plenty of help, but help is of no use as long as people wish to remain lost. As Catholics we know there is nothing to do .... but pray - so that is what we do, we pray for the lost.
I disagree. You are saying the you have to wait for the other person to become passive and request guidenace. I think the opposite. You have to stop being active - giving advice, giving instruction, taking them out- but instead become passive in their presence and give them permission to be active while you don't judge. Depression in some sense is the opposite of expression. You have to allow that person to express themselves, and only listen. Allow them to unburden themselves on you without judging it as good or bad, simply listen and care. This gives the person a connection with another person and a feeling that their experience is valid and understood.
I should say, this approach is based on my own experience though in other situations your approach may work also.
Bella By the Stand Or abusechildren and/or sexually abuse children.....who then are lost.....who then are preyed for by the very institution that blighted them. Don't prey on and proselytise at the same moment
Those who suffer are never lost, those who commit atrocities, they are lost. Do not judge an institution by those who do not live by the law, but judge it by those who do live the law - The Catholic Church has thousands ... we call them Saints. St. Francis, St. Theresa, St. Margaret, St. Helen ... people who practiced the religion to perfection ...... this is why it is said "many are called, few are chosen"
weep with those who weep, mourn with those who mourn....most want someone to identify.....often, suddenly, the tables can turn b/c being there for someone often incites discussion
I am not afraid, I was born to do this yes, yes, yes. Amen. You worded that excellently.
Damn genius 😭
"That's wisdom not cruelty" that be one them hard pills to swallow I've heard so much about
I figured this out on my own a long time ago. But nice of a clinical psychologist to dole out this advice in his lecture. I've always been envious of how Westerners have been much more sorted out when it comes to self-care and self-sustenance. Given the hard choice, Easterners generally tend to put harmony with others over individual striving- and look where that's got us!
Vinay, there are pluses and minuses to both extremes. Everyone doing the individual thing isn’t great either.
@@sonofhibbs4425 I don't know about that. It might seems that way due to the social media narcissism ever-present today, but then again that isn't true individuality. People being vain and manufacturing an individual persona-that's just another expression of herd-mindedness.
Brother I have travelled the east and the west, while the merits of the west may be obvious it’s plagued with mental illness, I think the structure of strong family values and principles ease a lot of the anxiety of choice while coming from a loving place compared with the cold rule of governance
Yep, wow. I was (and kind of still am) in this kind of relationship.
No matter how many times I've cast her pearls, she won't take them.
Time to cast them eslewhere, and model for her a more successful life.
Yup she just wouldn't take 'em.
However I really do doubt in how far someone truly does not 'want' to be helped.
I believe this is not a question of free will, it only looks like it.
It always looks like people have a choice.
But from a clinical perspective: do they really?
@@SuspiriaX Oh yes, definitely. There are so many factors that unconciously affect our 'choices' so much that we can't really exercise free will, especially if we're caught up in pathological thinking.
Yes, I do keep that in mind when I cast these 'pearls'. But you never know when even one of those tiniest of pearls are caught....it just might make a tiny difference, that then might snowball to bigger changes.
I live in hope 🙏.
Wisdom
So, how do you help others? I look at this from perspective of someone helping me..
Amazing video! Thank you so much 🙏
My ex. It's actually a SAD situation. We really have to pray for them!!!
They can pray for themselves
Try telling that to naruto when he was chasing after Sasuke:p
yeah what was the deal with that?
A rescue swimmer says I must not drown myself to have. Chance to save you. Likewise, if we do not keep ourselves safe and sane, then we will be in no position to help any one else.
I have a problem where I do help the people that don’t want it and ruined myself and other relationships with it learned the hard way, wish I wouldn’t have been so ignorant and saw this earlier.
I know
Full quote: Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and RENDER YOU...
The bible is pure wisdom 🙌
Pure error and contradiction.. lol
Can't believe this you cut it up
Does anyone know what the title is of the book by Carl Rogers, which Prof. Peterson mentioned in this clip?
🙌
Carl Rogers, yeah. Do not enable others.
Don't cast pearls before swine originally came from the mouth of Jesus and it's in reference to not presenting the gospel truth to people who trample on it.
At first, I was wary of Peterson using this reference as he did, but I’m with the others that this is the same concept....the only difference is how much are you willing to try, but honestly this is what Christ was trying to get you to pay attention to: invest your energies into only those you get the sense will listen to truth and not use it to hurt you, trample you, crush your faith, etc.
Philosophers have been saying that welllllllllllllllllllll before Jesus Christ™
Just because something is good doesn't mean it has to originate from your projection of a God.
Shut up James!
Don't be a party Pooper
Can you please state the timestamp this clip is from? Or at least change your description link to a timestamped one?
I came here trying to help my brother who has been unemployed his whole life. Only worked one job for a year. He is currently 30 years old going on 31. I just turned 24 and wanted to try and save him but idk I feel like I am wasting my time. Read other that are trying to help there brothers but this one doesn't want the help. We offered him an apartment, rent free, a laptop, a car, driving lessons since he is 30 and still does not know how to drive nor has a car. Free furniture, free tv. Yet he still wants to live with my mom who does everything for him. He is living with my older sister who is another lost cause. Dont know what to do. He is getting free rent at the moment because of covid and got unemployment money. He is set for the next year or so but soon will turn 40 with nothing going for him.............I think it might be time to move on.
I was in a similar position as your brother, living with my parents, 7 years ago. They kicked me out in the end. However, near the end we finally had a few real conversations. I was asked what it would take to help me and I said I didn't know. But if they wanted to kick me out, I would agree. Scared though I was. I knew that was only fair. And I figured it was the only way anyhow. Tough love.
It worked. I have a stable job with a decent income, am a homeowner, have a loving girlfriend and am investing and educating myself.
I'd advise tough love. Do what helps him grow. Or what what MIGHT help him WANT to grow. Don't give free handouts, it might kill his soul. And take care of yourself first. Best of luck.
He's too comfortable where he's at already, living at home with his mom. Take that away from him and growth will become undeniable
What does “manifest an alternative mode of being” mean though?
'manifest the reality of an alternative mode of being!' ...WHAT?
Translation :
Manifest the reality = make good ideas and plans YOU have in your head, and make them happen(manifest) in real life ( achieve your goals ).
Alternative mode of being = Alternative lifestyle, different look at life, new philosophy, new way of thinking....
Meaning :
Change and make YOUR OWN life different, better (manifest the reality of alternative mode of being), and by doing that you show them there is a different way (that alternative version of life is possible).
JP says this must be done only as a last resort (use only when all else has failed) if the person in need is not willing to receive other form of help ( talking it out, financially supporting them etc...)
Hope my explanation helped :)
Forgot to add :
"Change and make YOUR OWN life different, better (manifest the reality of alternative mode of being), and by doing that you show them there is a different way (that alternative version of life is possible)."
You need to cease relationship you have with this person, and by making example hope they will realize there is alternative way of living,thinking,doing, being...
That's me. Lost but don't want no "help"
Sounds like you have pride, then. Good for you and best wishes.
Watching my friend go through this right now. Going through a divorce, started drinking again (he was an alcoholic before), totalled his car, went back to his exes house and they both went to jail within 12 hours.... he calls me, tells me he is going to her house to drink, he knows that's a bad idea, I know it's a bad idea and yet there he goes.
HI
I agree with the general notion however as someone who is lost and doesn't dedicate themselves to an offered hand I don't really consider it a well thought out solution to just walk away.
Sure, walking away provides relief from the dependency a sort of self-preservation in terms of mentality, however if attainment of righteousness is what we should all seek, then patient and persistence in helping others is what we should suffer through to become ultimately better.
I think the proper solution is raw, truthful, honest and stark dialogue. With oneself and others trying to provide assistance.
If only becoming a better person was as easy as preaching the rhetoric for such, maybe I wouldn't be such a fuck-up.
Zedo thank you for your reply. Absolutely agree with your opening statements.
You have my sincere condolences towards your mothers suffering, I truly hope she finds a path to peace and prosperity.
I think, with time, we will all be subject to retribution or contrition whether it be through direct or indirect cause. After-all that is what purgatory was conceived for.
I will openly say that I do experience forms of indirect passive neglect from my family and 'friends' however at least in my self-mental meditations this has not been the cause of my suffering. I do suffer through loneliness and sorrow from those aspects however my sorrows are buried much deeper within me from something I cannot escape or change from.
I was born with a neurological lower spinal disease that left me partially paralyzed, which is what I consider to be the biggest factor of impediment towards creating my better self. How can I change myself when I was born with a faulty body? Considering this I always think in regards to Petersons rhetoric that it is easier said than done and that all of his axioms are based on having a physically capable body.
It sounds like I'm taking an able-ist view on his agenda which im not trying to do however I think what I am trying to say is: he tends to not exemplify or reveal the complexities of both the horrors and sorrows which spawn self-degradation and how many of those causes cannot be simply solved by "cleaning your room" or "becoming more productive".
Ahhhhh cheers for the tangent my apologies.
You can still sort yourself inside your means. You don't have to save the world or be a success story, just live your life happy. That is your responsibility. The emotions you have, those you can sort, and your thoughts as well. It is true he puts the bar high, but this is for general audience. If you have special needs, you have to accept the constraints and work inside those, not look outside. Not until you are satisfied. At least this is what I follow, and it works, it just takes time, like anything.
The reason to not help people if they reject you is simply out of respect, but also not to abuse them. You would be surprised about how many people abuse others out of compassion. It is probably more common than out of selfishness. And you also have to respect yourself while doing so, because some will try to drown you with them, or abuse you. That is part of sorting yourself up, to know your boundaries, and is probably the main thing.
I do believe that it IS possible to save someone who doesn't want to be saved.
Yeah good luck with that.
If they truly don't want to be saved then they will jump right back in after.
the problem today is not people not wanting help it's the so few offering.
it's wisdom not cruelty
just play them video of Moloko from Pinkpop 2004, song Time is now....
I don't want what you want me to want
Any link to the full lecture?
Sometimes I feel lost. I don't know what to do with my fiance. I feel he needs help, the being depressed always, talking about killing himself, not willing to get counseling or try meds. I want couples therapy to learn to communicate better, but he will not. I feel confused.
"Life is worth losing" George Carlin
I feel kind of devastated, i have a sister who is lost, sits all day at home has panick attacks every day thinking she will die when i offer her help she plugs her ears i try to genuinely help her in so many different ways but the only thing she does is yell at me and attack me and plug her ears it's really bothering me i want to see her happy.. i don't know how.
I am in same situation it's very hard
me too...
😖🥺😢
Well, I guess my brother is going to have to learn the hard way. 🤦♂️
That's the only way
0:48 Salt lick. Horses naturally know that they need to have balanced electrolytes. Horses don't just drink water. They also lick salt deposits. If you you give them a little salt, then they will drink water to compensate. Horses aren't camels in that regard.
@1:24
Can someone point me to this full lecture?
mr. peterson. ive personally watched a friend i first met in grade 7 him in 5 being bullied because he had wiry hair..helped him became his friend for the next 8 years..at which time the systems and fellow human beings began to dissasemble my life and attempt to kill me as is the condoned secret actions of authority in our home in native land when you dont do as your told. my family died away..left to find my way..through suffering and systematic cognitive anylalation of self..the isolation..the i.d..super ego was torn to quanti..left without a sense of self..who am i? what am i? i begged the universe to teach me what is truth before i must die again. as i experienced the truth the friend i knew fell to tracks and cracks much deeper then I..prisons were the only hope..but from within the secret condoned reality that those in charge of prisons operate it to their selfish benefit and allow so many horrible things to occur within the walls. men and woman who live among you..being tortured mentally and emotionally that are mentally ill and hurting..are given final straws upon which they break and lose hope..becoming indifferent to humanity..government officials visiting prisons but only seeing the approved parts of it..by design..to hide the wretched truth..the man..my friend became so sick and polluted by all the others influence within..drinking vomit for synthetic heroin..completely learned to be psychotic..has committed many crimes..is a classified habitual offender..no mental help for him..basic programs and books to say anger is bad..messages left wanting..he became hated by society..outcast..homeless..accepted only by the dark denied underbelly of the illusion of society..i who am self actualized through my pain and experience could offer him everything..but his illness runs to deep..he reverts back to the only way of survival he knows..put your words to action and show me how much you truly know..we as outer universes in different dimensional minds can not save other universes around us..lead by example and never give up yes..however..their is a necessary balance of all things..and within the way society has been created is the opposing way..ying yang to it..so who can save ying from yang? the first step taken was the wrong one..but you say to continue to proceed that direction..one person helping another when a thousand others are killing them..solve for x sir.
hmmmmm
Mr. Peterson, I can’t helping, because they adalt enough to ménage their life, I need to deal only with my life,
Imagine if Dr. Peterson studied Dave Ramsey or Patrice O'Neal. I wonder how much of a revolution that would be
I'll buy that wisdom for a dollar.
Hm!
There are many ways for a lifeguard to safely aproach a person thats is drowning.
The safety of ones life comes first ofcourse,but there's an interesting way to escape
if the sircumstances lead the lifeguard in an awful situation (due to waves etc)to be grabbed in a way that he-she can't escape.
The life guard can try to sink,then the victim will istantly leave the lifeguard on it's need
to stay afloat!
It's only wisdom if it's well intentioned otherwise it may just as well be cruelty
And there's no excuse for leaving a family member behind, even in abuse situations, that's what the law is there for, to keep people at a safe distance. It's not there so you can cut people off
Simon Banks you must either be very young, an enabler, or have the prefect family. There are times to cut people off, even your family.
Most people who try to help people are well intentioned. Most jerks and assholes don’t try to help people.
But if you think taking abuse is holy and righteous, then you may need to get therapy or why you accept abuse and dangerous mental or physical situations.
You have the right to drown with whoever, but After 10 years, I’m done!
Someone ask Peterson about the meta-physics of hair loss
I mean, you could just revise your statement into a question
get bent
Hes a billionaire. What does it matter to him?
More importantly, why arent YOU a billionaire?
Jordan's discussed his own private issues related to mood. What could a therapist tell him?🥺🥺🥺
Live as an example - Bingo. You cannot force anyone to do anything, really.
Anybody know the original video?
who is this Rogers he talks about ? (Rogers believed , he didn't know how to get the horse to drink once he had brought it to the water".
What if this person is the one person you love most, and you've been getting better, and they've fallen into a seemingly inescapable hole? What do i do if they don't listen? Do i sit back and let them suffer even though i suffer more than them because i know how to fix their issues? Do i just wait for them to reach a breaking point and realize the truth i spoke all along?
im in the same situation. i dont know what to do anymore.
@@mohamadarifhanifzamri2934 if you are still there, keep fighting, I am in this situation right now too. It might be wise to let her go but it's inhumane to do so, fight until the last moment, do your best to help, then if it all fails, at least you know you did your best, and god help us move on with our lives
I love his message
, but did Petersen just combine multiple books of the Bible?
What if I don't have anything in me to manifest at all?
What if its your child who has BPD? My heart aches