I'll say this. I'm glad there wasn't any front stretch brake failures at Pocono this year. Because we might be talking in past tense from internal damages
@@johnhaas2523 and that’s why I don’t like this current car. Hard on the drivers and they’ve taken to much away from the crews to do innovative things to improve the cars which to me was the name of the game. Play by the rules but find smart ways to accomplish what you want. Now that’s fun.
@@johnhaas2523 it can be done, though. Open wheelers (Indy, F1), LeMans prototypes do it, and GT3 cars do it. These new cup cars are not dissipating the impact energy the way the older cars do or the way other carbon fiber race cars do. NASCAR needs to look into this ASAP before something tragic happens.
@@dufferdude1205 innovative as nearly killed The sport with cost and racing product was not Entertaining and TV wants entertaining races and that's what fans want. Is no place for innovation because it doesn't belong and with it gone this year there's been more winners and better races. The car owners asked for this with the new car to save them from themselves. If had this new car sooner maybe some former teams would still exist but thanks to the new car have new teams like GMS, track house and 23xl
You had a hit so hard you moved 7 inches, okay that tells me there’s serious issues with this car, how are drivers not able to get there belts tight enough. This is a major issue. I love nascar but I do not like this new car. Former racer at the grass roots level. I’m all for driver safety not this bs with these nextgen cars
It’s not the belts. It’s the car being stiff. If less crunches in a frontal crash, then the driver will 100% have more frontal movement with belts. The driver gets thrown forward harder
@@Dreway yeah I understand it’s a stiff car that’s not the point I’m trying to make, last season with the last gen car drivers weren’t complaining of these issues, this issue was talked about all last year with the testing why wasn’t the issue fixed before this year started, like the power steering issues we had all throughout the season that was an issue all throughout testing last year, we can’t keep having safety and mechanical issues with no response or results other than we are working on it… there’s no reason for it.
@@jimmyrayne5425 F1 and Indy spends tons of money doing R&D to make cars less stiff and less rigid to absorb hits but with this so called next generation state of the art car they went exactly 180 degrees the opposite direction similar to the stupid COT cars. Nascar never wants input from teams but people like chad knaus and Rodney Childers know way more about these current cars than nascar brass does because they’re around the cars 6 or 7 days a week. Nascar relies on people on the nascar payroll like Brett Bodine for input even though he hasn’t raced in years and never won a race except for the fake win when nascar botched the scoring.NASCAR has always had an ego problem and if they don’t come up with the idea internally it’s a bad idea and the people who actually build and drive the cars are irrelevant
Nascar needs to let the teams do there own driver safety. Nascar is supposedly working on a fix, but that fix is for every car across the board. Fix might work for one driver, but not for a different driver of body size or weight. Harvick and the other's are trying to prevent another tragedy. Moving 7 inches when secured is a huge problem.
Said it before, say it again... Independent rear suspension (which is way more than a decade overdue) means you need/can have a stiffer chassis. Stiffer chassis mean more shock gets transferred through the chassis. Guess what? The driver is right in the path of that shock wave... Why not go see how the Australians are doing things? They have some pretty horrendous incidents with the car dismantling itself spectacularly but the driver cell is fine and the driver walks away more often than not with maybe a headache and nothing else. This issue is going to be a learning curve and there WILL NOT be any "overnight solutions" unfortunately. Also, risk taking is something that will have to be re-evaluated. The driver willing to take the biggest risk may get the biggest reward - BUT he may also take the hardest licks if things go south. And at the speeds of some of the tracks, that happens so fast you cannot catch it. And then you are in your way to the scene of the wreak with no way of stopping anything.
Houston! (NASCAR) We have a problem! It’s being said loud and clear. It looks like Gragson is more confident about his health in Xfinity than the cup. That says a lot!
He was worried about coming on the show because of clowning and saying something offensive, but really what he said about the car safety should be more concern to NASCAR than anything offensive or childish! He might get called to the hauler for that one!!
@@robertstone9988 the thing is with next gen is that the driver absorbs the hit more than the car hell Kurt got a concussion from a hit that was to the rear with the old car that would’ve never happened some of these guys have raced for 10 years and have said these hits are the hardest ever and ofc they wanna be safe they have families dude
@@robertstone9988 well people should do what they love for as long as possible. When you get injured you can't drive a racecar people have lost championships due to missing races because of injuries.
@@cbj4sc1 and people have been struck by lightning what's that to do with the price of tea in China? You can make football a lot safer if you just took away the tackling and made it to hand touch but then it wouldn't be football anymore would it? Part of the appeal of racing is the danger if there is no danger there is no risk then it's just guys driving around in circles. If there is no danger there is no Daredevil you're just a dude doing a trick with no consequences that's what makes great racing great the fact that you're putting your life on the line for Glory not the fact that you're taking absolutely zero risk. This is why people make war heroes Heroes and not people playing Call of Duty Heroes have you ever watched Sim racing? It's boring as s*** you know why? It's not because the racing isn't as good Sim Racers get at it just as hard as regular racers but there is no danger therefore there's no excitement human beings love Danger ever since we walked out of the jungle and walked out of the food chain we live life of boredom Safety and Security but boredom that's why people jump out of airplanes that's why people bungee jump and that's why people watch auto racing
@@robertstone9988 you ain't good enough Robert. Quit your day dreaming kiddo. Or go take your meds. The only danger you've ever been in was danger of type 2 diabetes with your sugar intake, big boy.
I think we really need to understand that even the young guys, like Noah, are compromising themselves because of how bad it is to wreck these things. I mean we're talking about young, talented drivers who have little to no fear of anything when it comes too racing.
It may soon be back to the drawing board for the entire car. Teams were supposed to save money due to not having to replace expensive crashed parts anymore. OK, this car survives crashes better by not crumpling up much so more of that crash force is now delivered to the driver's body.
I disagree. All noise is good noise. Nascar has always been dangerous. Reporting danger in nascar is cookies n Creme. Yea it’s not ideal but it’s noisy af
@@Dreway lol. A page outta “there’s no such thing as bad press kid!” Not in this case. Imagine if a car manufacturer’s cars were responsible for fatalities and the press wrote about it. Would that make for good press -“good noise”?
@@stratolestele7611 fatalities come with motorsports. Not that anyone wants that but when it happens, people need to realize racing is literally dangerous
I am not surprised to this being brought up. A car that looks more compact and seems built tougher, only makes it worse for the driver. It's essentially like driving inside a concrete car where there is no give if you crash.
Maybe it's not such a bad thing that the drivers nowadays have to start considering the consequences of their conduct before driving like idiots and causing wrecks. Previous generations drove a lot more respectfully bc they knew that they had to protect each other, whereas this new generation of drivers who grew up on video games smash into each other with a second thought of the consequences. Perhaps things change now?
It's almost like racing isn't meant to be a consistent wreckfest and racers should be trying to improve themselves rather than take others out. Heck, throw a "return to track" timer on wrecks... If a slide job for podium costs a driver/team a month of racing versus a few hours in the body shop, I almost see them racing clean after an example is made.
Respect on the track is one conversation, drivers becoming injured and it having an effect on their personal lives is another. "Maybe it's not such a bad thing" I think you should rephrase that statement, because it comes across REALLY poor
@@philmc1287 the next gen car absolutely needs to be changed and the safety needs to be addressed. BUT these hard hits have "helped" drivers realize the magnitude of wrecks. I think it has helped Noah and Ross and other younger reckless drivers put it in perspective that wrecks are nothing to downplay. We will never see Noah do that stupid intentional wreck maneuver he did on that road course EVER again just from him receiving a big slice of humblepie. Jr. sidelining him and giving him a stern talking to about the incident aside.
I think of it like football. Safety improves, players feel less, players hit harder, people get hurt, safety improves, yada, yada, yada. Maybe the car does need some adjustments. Maybe it's the driver's need to up their skills and rely on a good lap time rather than a bump-n-run or slide job or generally taking out half of their competition. I don't disagree that rubbing is racing, but there's a difference... A BIG difference in rubbing while racing hard and ignoring your braking points or turning to broadside someone pulling clean laps with good times.
A “movable” seat is not a good idea in a racecar. That is just a point of failure. We cannot ever have seats coming out. That thing needs to be the strongest thing in the car. The car needs to collapse more. The collapsing of the car is what saves lives. The old adage “they don’t build ‘‘em like they used too” is a huge benefit. These new cars are just too strong. The driving is getting the impact instead of the car.
@@HDTech22 That’s not necessarily true. That technology has been proven safe in stage rally where they have massive crashes. The car needs the ability to dissipate force, which doesn’t have to come solely from “collapsibility.”
@@patmcassey6465 stage rally isn't going as fast though. the seats don't need to be moving if you are hitting a wall at 180 MPH. it's kind of a catch 22. they wanted to make the cars more ridged after seeing wrecks like newmans, but then more of the force goes to the driver in lesser impacts like we have been seeing this year. maybe they need to look at improving the safer barriers as well?
Let's see the drivers put on a show without the owners, builders, crew chief, pit crew, and all the mechanics that stay at the shop and don't go to the track. The drivers are the last people that get the car.
If the bastards/villians/heels/whatever you want to call them are hesitating to dump people because the hits are so bad drivers are hitting steering wheels and every driver is saying its the hardest hits they've ever dealt with there is a major problem. Nothing is going to change though
The hell with the DATA! he hit his steering wheel!!! They eye test alone watching him and bubbas wreck had my mouth open and not to mention the sound of it sounded like he hit a concrete wall
the cars being tougher is allowing them to bounce off things and keep going where the other ones couldn't most of the time. but result in harder impacts to the driver it seems. front and rear tow links power steering fluid fill cap seals , a few engines. and front arm bars seem to be taking most of the abuse this season.
This. People and drivers were applauding the new car, for being able to take hits and keep going. Hits that would have wrecked the last gen. Well, you can't have everything. And, they keep insisting on high speeds, constantly pressured by whining fans. It's pretty simple. They now have a car that's much more durable. But that durability now puts more impact on the drivers, on hits. So, do what you can to reduce hard hits. Lower the speeds maybe. Maybe penalize certain manouvers. The drivers are suddenly whining about the car's impacts. Yet it's also the drivers who are out there driving super-aggressively. Hamlin is not shy at all, pitting a car to pass them. Remember edwards straight-up ramming logano. Or denny using his car to attack bowman's car in his winning celebration. They have to reign in their aggression somewhat. The drivers have to take some of the blame too.
I say stage a Protest at Talladega, have a no car show to the point NASCAR top people have to take other NASCAR cars for the racers to race in like a modern Sportsman, Pinty Car or NASCAR Late Model and quickly put the Wrap or stickers and clearcoat on the cars to race.
You fix this car by ditching the transaxle, it’s made the rear too rigid. You also ditch this new composite body and go back to sheet metal. The cars need to fold up and toss pieces everywhere to dissipate as much energy as possible.
It’s a good thing to me. It makes people race again and not doing stupid moves and wrecking people to get one position. Suck it up and quit wrecking. Prove you actually have talent.
I don’t know how to fix it but I know this. The cars do not wrinkle. Like with your every day car you get in an accident or see an accident the cars are wrinkle the car is taking most of the impact and wrinkling. With these bodies not wrinkling the impact goes to the driver. The last time NASCAR had a stiff body Was when Earnhardt was killed at Daytona. The front end of that car did not wrinkle. His face hit the steering wheel.
Carbon fiber bellypan.. Front and rear upper hoops(on bolt on clips) are 2×3 rectangle tubing (too much. )plus the. carbon fiber body = wayy too strong. And these things are launching into the safer barriers with so much weight transfer its like them hitting concrete again. .you can tell by the way the cars bounce off each other and the walls..its Not good at all. . this car is about 2-3 years from being ready . safety it gets a 2 .performance maybe a 3 handling suspension about the same 2 or a 3. Why did they try to fix stuff that wasnt broke .. They shouldve focused on keeping these things on the ground . without sacrificing safety.
It seems to me there's no reason why they can't make the walls softer? As I was at Bristol and it seems like it's still way too stiff some of the road courses have a bales styrofoam and water and you can see that difference of impact that's where the absorption needs to be?
Your head hitting the steering wheel tells us a lot and that’s easily a fatal flaw in the design. We still have Dale if he didn’t go head first into his steering wheel. It’s 2022 and that’s unacceptable. Smaller cars also have smaller crumple zones and that def factors into the lack of deceleration when hitting the wall.
Of Nascar does not go head on ,no pun intended to eliminate the rigidity of the car to a certain degree and protect what really fills the grandstands on Sundays and some Saturdays the driver's then we will see a tragic amount of driver's dying like we whitnessed in the early 2000's.
A few drivers I think might have hit their heads on the steering wheel do to the front impacts like Cody Ware might have did at Texas when he had that hard crash cause when he got out his car he basically collapsed and if that is happing this season that would mean the Hans isn't working with the cars cause if we all remembered all the safety stuff from the last two gen cars might have went out the window if these spec cars aren't all that safe and back to the heads hitting the steering wheels possibility the reason Nascar (the France Era) was trying their best to prevent that is because when drivers were hitting their heads about 20+ years ago they were getting basilar skull fractures and i dunno DYING FROM THAT!!! Come on Nascar get it together Talladega is coming up and we as fans don't want the inevitable to happen and history repeat itself and put driver's lives at risk all for name of entertainment to line The Steves (Phelps and O'Donnell) pocket. My solution take all the data and what the drivers are telling you and use it to make the cars safer along with adding some things from the gen 5 and 6 to make sure you don't have another Nemecheck, Petty, Irwin, Roper & Earnhardt incident in your hands or the drivers might boycott.
Nascar needs to get their head out of their asses now! I still remember the days before 2001 when a nascar cup/grand national driver would be killed every couple of years on average, and it has been nice not seeing it since 01. But if something doesn't change immediately, then statistically it is only a matter of time.
1:09 thats good tho. Drivers shouldn't be making stupid moves all the time and having some fear will help bring back that hard core racing there was with the gen 4 and 5. The 6 was like a couch which led to alot of stupid moments imo
I have to agree. One of the worst aspects of NASCAR nowadays is the top half of the field being stupid and lunging at 0.05% chance moves because what does it matter, the team has the money and resources to rebuild the car so there's no actual risk to the individual. Safety has been so heavily perfected that it's the equivalent of wrapping a pair of 8-year old boys in 12 inches of bubble wrap and letting them go to town. There's no respect among drivers or between the driver and the track because there's no serious fear of 'oh this could hurt somebody'. Do I want to see the Gen7's obvious safety issues get fixed? Yes, it might be Kurt Busch today but it could be Larson, Bubba, Stenhouse, or McDowell next month or next year. Danm thing shows it's Dallara roots way too strongly with how piss easy it floats into the air and looses tires as well. But this is the change that is needed at the top level for some element of the respectful culture to come back.
Not to mention the racing hasn't been all that unless it's a mile and half and can we please get away from the shifting on ovals it's literally killing your racing because they all are going the same speed
A Major thing that is not being talked about regarding 'FEAR" is the Next Gen Car, basically just "steps out and crashes". There is no real ability to "hang it out" , "Over drive" :drive it off the right rear tires", etc,etc,etc. I don't know why NASCAR does not want to fix this aspect. It goes completely against their "Harder to Drive" selling point. The Reality is since it does not have an Wiggle-room regarding those boundaries, all it has actually done is "slowed down" guys that would run cars at their maximum and hang them out. It has narrowed the gap to those drivers who either..... (Cant, wont or are unwilling) to do those things in the first place. That is also part of why it is way to hard to pass, lap times are actually "Too close" and why you have 19 different winners. I for one think that is NOT a Good Thing!
Exactly, it started at the first race, you'll notice ARCA Xfinity and the trucks steal your due to the sidewall of the tire? Scrap all these plastic aluminum titanium parts that shatter and go to steel which bends especially the wheels, the steering is way too fast also for what why are the brakes so huge no reason for it NASCAR went from a stock car to a sports car all in the name of handling, let's go back to tread on the tires I call it patented unit tire one tire with Chad for rain ice mud dirt asphalt concrete come on people have some common sense?
Nascar learned many years ago what every other racing series had known for years, that making the chassis stiffer isn't good for the drivers. They seem to have forgotten that lesson. Why they are always behind is beyond me.
The old cars basically where soda cans that absolutely crumpled if you looked at them wrong. Nascar hoped by making them tougher teams could reuse them quicker but also be safe enough to not hurt drivers and we've seem to cross that line between sturdy and safe.
Kurt Busch is not a big enough name for NASCAR to actually care. This should be concerning of in itself. If Jimmie Johnson or Jeff Gordon got a massive concussion, broken bones, and other injuries from this car, then NASCAR would make changes immediately. Going back to the days of Dale Earnhardt of not caring about safety; disgusting!
Gordon had his back fucked up in a pair of accidents at Vegas 2008 and Watkins Glen 2009 with the COT. Hamlin broke his back at Fontana in 2013. NASCAR didn't change anything for them. The roots of the organization from the 50's and earlier did not care about safety, and only something high-profile like a multi-time champion dying in the cars like Weatherly or Dale Sr ever lead to any massive series-enforced changes, often years behind the rest of the racing world and normally just copy-pasting whatever another series is doing.
I’m not sure if this driver attitude is better but the older generation drivers I don’t recall ever recall worrying about a hard hit 🤔. Is this the product of helicopter‘parent’ generation?
My wife's uncle Harley Allmen broke his neck racing and went on to race in the Daytona race when it was still a partial sand course still with his neck broken. I not sure if this new gen of driver should even be allowed to call them selves racecar drivers if they don't understand it will hurt when you wreck. Swervin Ervin, lost his eye sight in one eye, Dale did Barrel rolls down the front stretch, DW launched his car 76 feet before he landed. I would bet hard earned $ that all those wrecks hurt.
Of course they hurt. But we’re in the 2020s, where safety has been infinitely improved since 30-40 years ago. Gragson and all these drivers have experienced bad wrecks in the other cars and are noting that NextGen is much worse in comparison to those cars. It should be the other way around. Obviously all wrecks hurt, they know this.
" I don't want to take the risk of potentially wrecking just to get another spot for 14th .... " Said no race car driver EVER!..... if this doesn't announce with a bullhorn that this is a problem, I don't know what is... Either that or he is not brave enough to drive a race car. I would hope that the second option is NOT an option. If there are drivers going 90% because they are afraid of wrecking that is a huge problem.
He’s saying that cause he’s part time in the cup series. He’s going for an xfinity championship so he’s doesn’t want to get hurt. He’ll go 100% when he’s full time
@@maverick52010 Totally accurate. I was thinking that as well when I was listening to the podcast but it slipped my mind when I watched it on TH-cam. But what if he’s not the only one and what if other drivers feel that but don’t say it?? Still a problem. Too many drivers say it feels harder to think they are just making it up.
@@TC-dw6wg I’m a huge gragson fan and I have the entire season of races recorded and watched. What statement did I make that was “brave” or indicates that I don’t know the product? The racing in xfinity with the current car is better than cup. I’m confused at your point.
Cause he doesn’t wanna get hurt the way these cars are built the driver absorbs more of the impact which is why we’re seeing more drivers complaining about how the hit’s actually hurt
Noah doesn’t have to worry about them. He’ll get a ride with just about any team in the cup series, but I do agree with your statement as I would not want to hear my driver make that statement.
Those cars were developed from 60 years of crashing and they were still made out of steel which bends? Especially the wheels and suspension components. Now we're doing plastic and aluminum which shatters and snaps.?
I hope Jr is happy, all his drivers wrecked some one and then Gregson wrecked Gibbs and no one mentions it at the end of the race!!! They can only win when they take him out of the race and it’s ashamed that it’s ok with NASCAR…. I’m not saying Ty is perfect but if that would have been the other way around they would have shamed Ty Gibbs.
I completely understand that we want these cars to be safer, but at the same time, do we really want these drivers making stupid moves because they know they won't get hurt?
Because not every hard wreck isn't because of a dumb move, wrecks happen regardless. Its close racing, tired blow, parts break. They shouldn't keep the cars like this to try and pacify the aggression because in doing that, its putting other drivers in harms way. Look at Kurt, numerous hard hits this season. None of which his fault, yet he ends up getting collected and injured. What lesson is that teaching him about aggression?
More than one seasoned veteran has made the statements. Not saying the young guys don't count either. But the veterans have been in the trenches with various generation cars the sanctioning body my want to listen
I'll say this. I'm glad there wasn't any front stretch brake failures at Pocono this year. Because we might be talking in past tense from internal damages
That's actually what I was thinking when the race was coming up. Thankfully, you're right for now. It's only a matter of time.
I think it started to become more public about the cars when the Kurt Busch crash/concussion happened at Pocono
Noah has a big fan here in Columbia, SC. I am so excited about his move and wish him the best of everything. Blessings!!
You have to reinstitute the crumple zones that the older cars had. The car takes the abuse not the driver.
It's not that easy when you have Independent rear suspension and car that shorter in the rear than the last one and want to protect the fuel cell
@@johnhaas2523 and that’s why I don’t like this current car. Hard on the drivers and they’ve taken to much away from the crews to do innovative things to improve the cars which to me was the name of the game. Play by the rules but find smart ways to accomplish what you want. Now that’s fun.
@@johnhaas2523 it can be done, though. Open wheelers (Indy, F1), LeMans prototypes do it, and GT3 cars do it. These new cup cars are not dissipating the impact energy the way the older cars do or the way other carbon fiber race cars do. NASCAR needs to look into this ASAP before something tragic happens.
@@angrybanana6223 NASCAR's working on changes to make it safer for the driver it's not a simple fix though
@@dufferdude1205 innovative as nearly killed The sport with cost and racing product was not Entertaining and TV wants entertaining races and that's what fans want. Is no place for innovation because it doesn't belong and with it gone this year there's been more winners and better races. The car owners asked for this with the new car to save them from themselves. If had this new car sooner maybe some former teams would still exist but thanks to the new car have new teams like GMS, track house and 23xl
You had a hit so hard you moved 7 inches, okay that tells me there’s serious issues with this car, how are drivers not able to get there belts tight enough. This is a major issue. I love nascar but I do not like this new car. Former racer at the grass roots level. I’m all for driver safety not this bs with these nextgen cars
Safety should always be first
It’s not the belts. It’s the car being stiff. If less crunches in a frontal crash, then the driver will 100% have more frontal movement with belts. The driver gets thrown forward harder
@@Dreway yeah I understand it’s a stiff car that’s not the point I’m trying to make, last season with the last gen car drivers weren’t complaining of these issues, this issue was talked about all last year with the testing why wasn’t the issue fixed before this year started, like the power steering issues we had all throughout the season that was an issue all throughout testing last year, we can’t keep having safety and mechanical issues with no response or results other than we are working on it… there’s no reason for it.
@@jimmyrayne5425 F1 and Indy spends tons of money doing R&D to make cars less stiff and less rigid to absorb hits but with this so called next generation state of the art car they went exactly 180 degrees the opposite direction similar to the stupid COT cars. Nascar never wants input from teams but people like chad knaus and Rodney Childers know way more about these current cars than nascar brass does because they’re around the cars 6 or 7 days a week. Nascar relies on people on the nascar payroll like Brett Bodine for input even though he hasn’t raced in years and never won a race except for the fake win when nascar botched the scoring.NASCAR has always had an ego problem and if they don’t come up with the idea internally it’s a bad idea and the people who actually build and drive the cars are irrelevant
Nascar needs to let the teams do there own driver safety. Nascar is supposedly working on a fix, but that fix is for every car across the board. Fix might work for one driver, but not for a different driver of body size or weight. Harvick and the other's are trying to prevent another tragedy. Moving 7 inches when secured is a huge problem.
Again Bubba said that the hits was the hardest he's been in in the beginning of the year and twitter-verse called him soft
Both can be true.
They call him soft because it's Bubba. Anyone else and they don't say it.
@@tmthylthm I've heard several drivers over the years called soft. Bowman and Byron come to mind.
@@chance2enzo when it comes to racing, sure. Impacts, no.
Noah Tells it like it is
Said it before, say it again...
Independent rear suspension (which is way more than a decade overdue) means you need/can have a stiffer chassis.
Stiffer chassis mean more shock gets transferred through the chassis.
Guess what? The driver is right in the path of that shock wave...
Why not go see how the Australians are doing things?
They have some pretty horrendous incidents with the car dismantling itself spectacularly but the driver cell is fine and the driver walks away more often than not with maybe a headache and nothing else.
This issue is going to be a learning curve and there WILL NOT be any "overnight solutions" unfortunately.
Also, risk taking is something that will have to be re-evaluated.
The driver willing to take the biggest risk may get the biggest reward - BUT he may also take the hardest licks if things go south.
And at the speeds of some of the tracks, that happens so fast you cannot catch it.
And then you are in your way to the scene of the wreak with no way of stopping anything.
I'm glad someone is speaking up . Can't ignore it
Houston! (NASCAR) We have a problem!
It’s being said loud and clear. It looks like Gragson is more confident about his health in Xfinity than the cup. That says a lot!
NASCAR working on a fix
@@johnhaas2523 source?
He was worried about coming on the show because of clowning and saying something offensive, but really what he said about the car safety should be more concern to NASCAR than anything offensive or childish! He might get called to the hauler for that one!!
If he's too scared to drive the race car I'll drive it it's a dangerous sport you want to be safe at work go be a secretary
@@robertstone9988 the thing is with next gen is that the driver absorbs the hit more than the car hell Kurt got a concussion from a hit that was to the rear with the old car that would’ve never happened some of these guys have raced for 10 years and have said these hits are the hardest ever and ofc they wanna be safe they have families dude
@@robertstone9988 well people should do what they love for as long as possible. When you get injured you can't drive a racecar people have lost championships due to missing races because of injuries.
@@cbj4sc1 and people have been struck by lightning what's that to do with the price of tea in China? You can make football a lot safer if you just took away the tackling and made it to hand touch but then it wouldn't be football anymore would it? Part of the appeal of racing is the danger if there is no danger there is no risk then it's just guys driving around in circles. If there is no danger there is no Daredevil you're just a dude doing a trick with no consequences that's what makes great racing great the fact that you're putting your life on the line for Glory not the fact that you're taking absolutely zero risk. This is why people make war heroes Heroes and not people playing Call of Duty Heroes have you ever watched Sim racing? It's boring as s*** you know why? It's not because the racing isn't as good Sim Racers get at it just as hard as regular racers but there is no danger therefore there's no excitement human beings love Danger ever since we walked out of the jungle and walked out of the food chain we live life of boredom Safety and Security but boredom that's why people jump out of airplanes that's why people bungee jump and that's why people watch auto racing
@@robertstone9988 you ain't good enough Robert. Quit your day dreaming kiddo. Or go take your meds. The only danger you've ever been in was danger of type 2 diabetes with your sugar intake, big boy.
Makes me rethink some of thoughs derbies and how I'm glad the chassis bent in half before I did.
I think we really need to understand that even the young guys, like Noah, are compromising themselves because of how bad it is to wreck these things. I mean we're talking about young, talented drivers who have little to no fear of anything when it comes too racing.
Noahs looks strung out on something lmaoo
Crumble zone, not tear the car completely when it wrecks like before but crumble zones like normal every day cars
I don't think it's the body. I think it's the independent rear suspension that's so solid that it doesn't really have much give
It may soon be back to the drawing board for the entire car. Teams were supposed to save money due to not having to replace expensive crashed parts anymore. OK, this car survives crashes better by not crumpling up much so more of that crash force is now delivered to the driver's body.
This is becoming a PR nightmare for NASCAR. They'll have to fix the car, if for no other reason than to protect their rep.
I disagree. All noise is good noise. Nascar has always been dangerous. Reporting danger in nascar is cookies n Creme. Yea it’s not ideal but it’s noisy af
no it arent
@@Dreway lol. A page outta “there’s no such thing as bad press kid!”
Not in this case. Imagine if a car manufacturer’s cars were responsible for fatalities and the press wrote about it. Would that make for good press -“good noise”?
@@stratolestele7611 fatalities come with motorsports. Not that anyone wants that but when it happens, people need to realize racing is literally dangerous
it's sad that bringing up safety concerns have become "so badass"
More like disgusting. They only see $
Kurt's out of the season for this thats just wow
Don’t let the conversation STOP!!!!
I am not surprised to this being brought up. A car that looks more compact and seems built tougher, only makes it worse for the driver. It's essentially like driving inside a concrete car where there is no give if you crash.
Maybe it's not such a bad thing that the drivers nowadays have to start considering the consequences of their conduct before driving like idiots and causing wrecks. Previous generations drove a lot more respectfully bc they knew that they had to protect each other, whereas this new generation of drivers who grew up on video games smash into each other with a second thought of the consequences. Perhaps things change now?
that is something to think about
It's almost like racing isn't meant to be a consistent wreckfest and racers should be trying to improve themselves rather than take others out. Heck, throw a "return to track" timer on wrecks... If a slide job for podium costs a driver/team a month of racing versus a few hours in the body shop, I almost see them racing clean after an example is made.
Respect on the track is one conversation, drivers becoming injured and it having an effect on their personal lives is another.
"Maybe it's not such a bad thing"
I think you should rephrase that statement, because it comes across REALLY poor
@@philmc1287 the next gen car absolutely needs to be changed and the safety needs to be addressed. BUT these hard hits have "helped" drivers realize the magnitude of wrecks. I think it has helped Noah and Ross and other younger reckless drivers put it in perspective that wrecks are nothing to downplay. We will never see Noah do that stupid intentional wreck maneuver he did on that road course EVER again just from him receiving a big slice of humblepie. Jr. sidelining him and giving him a stern talking to about the incident aside.
I think of it like football. Safety improves, players feel less, players hit harder, people get hurt, safety improves, yada, yada, yada.
Maybe the car does need some adjustments. Maybe it's the driver's need to up their skills and rely on a good lap time rather than a bump-n-run or slide job or generally taking out half of their competition.
I don't disagree that rubbing is racing, but there's a difference... A BIG difference in rubbing while racing hard and ignoring your braking points or turning to broadside someone pulling clean laps with good times.
Would placing dampers under the seats help at all?
A “movable” seat is not a good idea in a racecar. That is just a point of failure. We cannot ever have seats coming out. That thing needs to be the strongest thing in the car. The car needs to collapse more. The collapsing of the car is what saves lives. The old adage “they don’t build ‘‘em like they used too” is a huge benefit. These new cars are just too strong. The driving is getting the impact instead of the car.
@@HDTech22 That’s not necessarily true. That technology has been proven safe in stage rally where they have massive crashes. The car needs the ability to dissipate force, which doesn’t have to come solely from “collapsibility.”
I had no idea that was a thing. Maybe it should be something to look into.
@@patmcassey6465 stage rally isn't going as fast though. the seats don't need to be moving if you are hitting a wall at 180 MPH. it's kind of a catch 22. they wanted to make the cars more ridged after seeing wrecks like newmans, but then more of the force goes to the driver in lesser impacts like we have been seeing this year. maybe they need to look at improving the safer barriers as well?
I was thinking of a Gel seat insert which will absorb some of the imact before it hits tbe driver.
What Noah is saying is some really scary stuff.
All NASCAR drivers should be listened to ! Because they all are the ones that put the show on !
Let's see the drivers put on a show without the owners, builders, crew chief, pit crew, and all the mechanics that stay at the shop and don't go to the track. The drivers are the last people that get the car.
If the bastards/villians/heels/whatever you want to call them are hesitating to dump people because the hits are so bad drivers are hitting steering wheels and every driver is saying its the hardest hits they've ever dealt with there is a major problem. Nothing is going to change though
The hell with the DATA! he hit his steering wheel!!! They eye test alone watching him and bubbas wreck had my mouth open and not to mention the sound of it sounded like he hit a concrete wall
the cars being tougher is allowing them to bounce off things and keep going where the other ones couldn't most of the time. but result in harder impacts to the driver it seems. front and rear tow links power steering fluid fill cap seals , a few engines. and front arm bars seem to be taking most of the abuse this season.
This. People and drivers were applauding the new car, for being able to take hits and keep going. Hits that would have wrecked the last gen. Well, you can't have everything. And, they keep insisting on high speeds, constantly pressured by whining fans.
It's pretty simple. They now have a car that's much more durable. But that durability now puts more impact on the drivers, on hits. So, do what you can to reduce hard hits. Lower the speeds maybe. Maybe penalize certain manouvers.
The drivers are suddenly whining about the car's impacts. Yet it's also the drivers who are out there driving super-aggressively. Hamlin is not shy at all, pitting a car to pass them. Remember edwards straight-up ramming logano. Or denny using his car to attack bowman's car in his winning celebration. They have to reign in their aggression somewhat. The drivers have to take some of the blame too.
This is what happens when you have a kit car and the teams have no say so into what that can do to the cars and when they don't build their own cars.
I say stage a Protest at Talladega, have a no car show to the point NASCAR top people have to take other NASCAR cars for the racers to race in like a modern Sportsman, Pinty Car or NASCAR Late Model and quickly put the Wrap or stickers and clearcoat on the cars to race.
I'll be at Talladega working and as usual I'll take a break to watch all the races, but not this year
You fix this car by ditching the transaxle, it’s made the rear too rigid. You also ditch this new composite body and go back to sheet metal. The cars need to fold up and toss pieces everywhere to dissipate as much energy as possible.
There's nothing wrong with the composite body The Xfinity series has been using it for many years
@@johnhaas2523 I disagree
Did nascar forget Jr's problems?????
It’s a good thing to me. It makes people race again and not doing stupid moves and wrecking people to get one position. Suck it up and quit wrecking. Prove you actually have talent.
noah shouldnt have moved that much thats a major safetly issue nascar needs to fix asap
I don’t know how to fix it but I know this. The cars do not wrinkle. Like with your every day car you get in an accident or see an accident the cars are wrinkle the car is taking most of the impact and wrinkling. With these bodies not wrinkling the impact goes to the driver. The last time NASCAR had a stiff body Was when Earnhardt was killed at Daytona. The front end of that car did not wrinkle. His face hit the steering wheel.
Carbon fiber bellypan.. Front and rear upper hoops(on bolt on clips) are 2×3 rectangle tubing (too much. )plus the. carbon fiber body = wayy too strong. And these things are launching into the safer barriers with so much weight transfer its like them hitting concrete again. .you can tell by the way the cars bounce off each other and the walls..its Not good at all. . this car is about 2-3 years from being ready . safety it gets a 2 .performance maybe a 3 handling suspension about the same 2 or a 3. Why did they try to fix stuff that wasnt broke .. They shouldve focused on keeping these things on the ground . without sacrificing safety.
It seems to me there's no reason why they can't make the walls softer? As I was at Bristol and it seems like it's still way too stiff some of the road courses have a bales styrofoam and water and you can see that difference of impact that's where the absorption needs to be?
@@since1961 cars need to be fixed first .then worry about walls
Your head hitting the steering wheel tells us a lot and that’s easily a fatal flaw in the design. We still have Dale if he didn’t go head first into his steering wheel. It’s 2022 and that’s unacceptable.
Smaller cars also have smaller crumple zones and that def factors into the lack of deceleration when hitting the wall.
Of Nascar does not go head on ,no pun intended to eliminate the rigidity of the car to a certain degree and protect what really fills the grandstands on Sundays and some Saturdays the driver's then we will see a tragic amount of driver's dying like we whitnessed in the early 2000's.
Only a matter of time before that coffin car claims one they need to scrap this asap
Xfinity cars are the closest we have now to a traditional stock car in Nascar. The racing is better currently and the cars are far safer.
A few drivers I think might have hit their heads on the steering wheel do to the front impacts like Cody Ware might have did at Texas when he had that hard crash cause when he got out his car he basically collapsed and if that is happing this season that would mean the Hans isn't working with the cars cause if we all remembered all the safety stuff from the last two gen cars might have went out the window if these spec cars aren't all that safe and back to the heads hitting the steering wheels possibility the reason Nascar (the France Era) was trying their best to prevent that is because when drivers were hitting their heads about 20+ years ago they were getting basilar skull fractures and i dunno DYING FROM THAT!!! Come on Nascar get it together Talladega is coming up and we as fans don't want the inevitable to happen and history repeat itself and put driver's lives at risk all for name of entertainment to line The Steves (Phelps and O'Donnell) pocket. My solution take all the data and what the drivers are telling you and use it to make the cars safer along with adding some things from the gen 5 and 6 to make sure you don't have another Nemecheck, Petty, Irwin, Roper & Earnhardt incident in your hands or the drivers might boycott.
Nascar needs to get their head out of their asses now! I still remember the days before 2001 when a nascar cup/grand national driver would be killed every couple of years on average, and it has been nice not seeing it since 01. But if something doesn't change immediately, then statistically it is only a matter of time.
1:09 thats good tho. Drivers shouldn't be making stupid moves all the time and having some fear will help bring back that hard core racing there was with the gen 4 and 5. The 6 was like a couch which led to alot of stupid moments imo
I have to agree. One of the worst aspects of NASCAR nowadays is the top half of the field being stupid and lunging at 0.05% chance moves because what does it matter, the team has the money and resources to rebuild the car so there's no actual risk to the individual. Safety has been so heavily perfected that it's the equivalent of wrapping a pair of 8-year old boys in 12 inches of bubble wrap and letting them go to town. There's no respect among drivers or between the driver and the track because there's no serious fear of 'oh this could hurt somebody'.
Do I want to see the Gen7's obvious safety issues get fixed? Yes, it might be Kurt Busch today but it could be Larson, Bubba, Stenhouse, or McDowell next month or next year. Danm thing shows it's Dallara roots way too strongly with how piss easy it floats into the air and looses tires as well. But this is the change that is needed at the top level for some element of the respectful culture to come back.
They need to fix it before someone gets fucking killed!
There will be fixes by Daytona
its pretty much impossible to die nowadays but serious concussions could be a problem
Let the teams go back to building the cars
Not to mention the racing hasn't been all that unless it's a mile and half and can we please get away from the shifting on ovals it's literally killing your racing because they all are going the same speed
Before the rain BS happened at Daytona during the 400 it was awesome pack racing.
Just watch this is a Basilar skull fracture waiting to happen
A Major thing that is not being talked about regarding 'FEAR" is the Next Gen Car, basically just "steps out and crashes". There is no real ability to "hang it out" , "Over drive" :drive it off the right rear tires", etc,etc,etc. I don't know why NASCAR does not want to fix this aspect. It goes completely against their "Harder to Drive" selling point. The Reality is since it does not have an Wiggle-room regarding those boundaries, all it has actually done is "slowed down" guys that would run cars at their maximum and hang them out. It has narrowed the gap to those drivers who either..... (Cant, wont or are unwilling) to do those things in the first place. That is also part of why it is way to hard to pass, lap times are actually "Too close" and why you have 19 different winners. I for one think that is NOT a Good Thing!
Exactly, it started at the first race, you'll notice ARCA Xfinity and the trucks steal your due to the sidewall of the tire? Scrap all these plastic aluminum titanium parts that shatter and go to steel which bends especially the wheels, the steering is way too fast also for what why are the brakes so huge no reason for it NASCAR went from a stock car to a sports car all in the name of handling, let's go back to tread on the tires I call it patented unit tire one tire with Chad for rain ice mud dirt asphalt concrete come on people have some common sense?
It's going to take somebody getting seriously injured in these cars before NASCAR will do anything. 😡
Nascar learned many years ago what every other racing series had known for years, that making the chassis stiffer isn't good for the drivers. They seem to have forgotten that lesson. Why they are always behind is beyond me.
So what about the other cars that made the hit less hard. I thought they all would hurt a little
The old cars basically where soda cans that absolutely crumpled if you looked at them wrong. Nascar hoped by making them tougher teams could reuse them quicker but also be safe enough to not hurt drivers and we've seem to cross that line between sturdy and safe.
Kurt Busch is not a big enough name for NASCAR to actually care. This should be concerning of in itself. If Jimmie Johnson or Jeff Gordon got a massive concussion, broken bones, and other injuries from this car, then NASCAR would make changes immediately. Going back to the days of Dale Earnhardt of not caring about safety; disgusting!
False as NASCAR is working on a fix
@@johnhaas2523 exactly
No one has had any injuries except for a single concussion. Stop blowing it out of proporsion
Gordon had his back fucked up in a pair of accidents at Vegas 2008 and Watkins Glen 2009 with the COT. Hamlin broke his back at Fontana in 2013. NASCAR didn't change anything for them. The roots of the organization from the 50's and earlier did not care about safety, and only something high-profile like a multi-time champion dying in the cars like Weatherly or Dale Sr ever lead to any massive series-enforced changes, often years behind the rest of the racing world and normally just copy-pasting whatever another series is doing.
Don't be scrambled eggs.
Drivers are scared to speak up because of NASCAR retaliation, see who got a big fine the week after complaining about safety
I’m not sure if this driver attitude is better but the older generation drivers I don’t recall ever recall worrying about a hard hit 🤔. Is this the product of helicopter‘parent’ generation?
Go Bills
Nope! Will not support little spoiled whinny children.
they could always quit and work at 7-11.
This driver has spotter level fitness
My wife's uncle Harley Allmen broke his neck racing and went on to race in the Daytona race when it was still a partial sand course still with his neck broken.
I not sure if this new gen of driver should even be allowed to call them selves racecar drivers if they don't understand it will hurt when you wreck. Swervin Ervin, lost his eye sight in one eye, Dale did Barrel rolls down the front stretch, DW launched his car 76 feet before he landed. I would bet hard earned $ that all those wrecks hurt.
Of course they hurt. But we’re in the 2020s, where safety has been infinitely improved since 30-40 years ago. Gragson and all these drivers have experienced bad wrecks in the other cars and are noting that NextGen is much worse in comparison to those cars. It should be the other way around. Obviously all wrecks hurt, they know this.
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" I don't want to take the risk of potentially wrecking just to get another spot for 14th .... " Said no race car driver EVER!..... if this doesn't announce with a bullhorn that this is a problem, I don't know what is... Either that or he is not brave enough to drive a race car. I would hope that the second option is NOT an option. If there are drivers going 90% because they are afraid of wrecking that is a huge problem.
He’s saying that cause he’s part time in the cup series. He’s going for an xfinity championship so he’s doesn’t want to get hurt. He’ll go 100% when he’s full time
@@maverick52010 Totally accurate. I was thinking that as well when I was listening to the podcast but it slipped my mind when I watched it on TH-cam. But what if he’s not the only one and what if other drivers feel that but don’t say it?? Still a problem. Too many drivers say it feels harder to think they are just making it up.
Noah is one of the best drivers out in Xfinity. You might want to watch him race before making that brave statement.
@@TC-dw6wg I’m a huge gragson fan and I have the entire season of races recorded and watched. What statement did I make that was “brave” or indicates that I don’t know the product? The racing in xfinity with the current car is better than cup. I’m confused at your point.
Make the xfinity cars the cup cars make them 900hp then boom perfect cup car
Over correcting the car into the wall at 185 is going to hurt regardless
The best very best drivers lose control by themselves due to lack of sidewall and steering that's way too fast cuz this car was designed to handle?
So the new car is making them race smarter rather than acting like it's a demolition derby
PettyGMS are not going to take those comment's lightly, "what do you mean you're not going to push it"?
Cause he doesn’t wanna get hurt the way these cars are built the driver absorbs more of the impact which is why we’re seeing more drivers complaining about how the hit’s actually hurt
Noah doesn’t have to worry about them. He’ll get a ride with just about any team in the cup series, but I do agree with your statement as I would not want to hear my driver make that statement.
i wonder if nascar wants the hits to hurt a little bit so people will quit wrecking each other.
Sounds like something Dale sr NEVER would have said ever.... People died racing. That was the risk back then. Now it's to hard..... 🤔
Bring back the real cars from the 70’s and 80’s !
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. because those cars were soooooooooooooooo safe...
Oh I think crashing a 70s or 80s car was 10 times more dangerous……..
Those cars were developed from 60 years of crashing and they were still made out of steel which bends? Especially the wheels and suspension components. Now we're doing plastic and aluminum which shatters and snaps.?
I hope Jr is happy, all his drivers wrecked some one and then Gregson wrecked Gibbs and no one mentions it at the end of the race!!! They can only win when they take him out of the race and it’s ashamed that it’s ok with NASCAR…. I’m not saying Ty is perfect but if that would have been the other way around they would have shamed Ty Gibbs.
I completely understand that we want these cars to be safer, but at the same time, do we really want these drivers making stupid moves because they know they won't get hurt?
Because not every hard wreck isn't because of a dumb move, wrecks happen regardless. Its close racing, tired blow, parts break. They shouldn't keep the cars like this to try and pacify the aggression because in doing that, its putting other drivers in harms way. Look at Kurt, numerous hard hits this season. None of which his fault, yet he ends up getting collected and injured. What lesson is that teaching him about aggression?
@@eclipze9412 I agree with what you're saying and I don't want these guys to be hurt. At the same time the lack of on-track respect is apparent too.
Kurt didn't make a dumb move he was simply quakifying.
Stupid moves have been happening since day one in NASCAR.
@@DevonMopiedmont1143 ik that.
More than one seasoned veteran has made the statements. Not saying the young guys don't count either. But the veterans have been in the trenches with various generation cars the sanctioning body my want to listen
I hate the new car. Its a hunk of junk
Seems like football is the only gladiator sport left
It’s a bunch of whinny spoiled little brats now. That’s all football is today! Quit watching after 50+ yrs. as a fan.
I’m so sick of the NASCAR suits ruining the sport
What a generation 👎
Gragson talking about bad-ass, lmao - this cupcake swoons so much after a race...he'd be a puddle if it wasn't for stage nappy breaks...
Chicanes in the backstretch. Spread the field out and slow them down a bit. Cars have outgrown ovals
Ehh no.
Get out of here Hermann Tilke
People wonder why NASCAR is losing its fanbase. Could it be the lame ass drivers that are scared. If your scared to wreck your scared to drive.