if you're designing a universe, and designing it's inhabitants, why would you need to fine tune? you fine balance. if god wants life, he should coarse tune. if life is a zillion to one against, then you're saying god was more likely to fail to create life, god's odds should 1:1 - inevitable, not unlikely. if god has to make the universe work for humans, whose laws of physics is he following, god should be able to make life from chewing gum and rubber bands. and as oppy points out early on, is there only one way god can make the universe? god had to decide how to make the universe, was he limited, or could he have made ANY universe and bingo, life? in which case, there is no fine tuning argument to be had. there's no need for fine tuning if the universe can be any way at all.
Since atheism isn't an organized religion, there is no world leader of it, so I'd love for you to explain how Dr Graham Oppy was able to convince you of that fact.
Just think, Miles, you could have been a believer in some other religion if you had been born somewhere else in the world, raised by parents of a different belief system. We don't choose our religious beliefs. We are raised into them. It's not like our parents sit us down when about 3 or 4 years and say, "Okay now, here are a dozen of the world's religions and their beliefs. Tell us which one you want us to raise you in."
We certainly choose to remain in our religious beliefs or not, as many deconversion accounts will testify to. So, whatever beliefs I now have are ones that I am responsible for having, at least in some sense. Of course, as with any beliefs, religious or otherwise, we only "choose" them indirectly, by choosing to apprise ourselves of the relevant evidence or not, attempt objective reflection on that evidence or not, etc. But that point applies to all beliefs whatsoever that we hold to.
@@mileskdonahue75 But very few people brought up in a religious belief even consider that "choosing" is even an option. Being surrounded constantly by voices reinforcing those beliefs can have a very strong effect on eliminating such thoughts. If we could support our beliefs with evidence, real evidence, there would only be one religion and faith would not be required.
@@mileskdonahue75 odd that atheists pop up all over the world though not very often do baby muslims get born into christian families. it would be interesting to see the stats on buddhist children growing up in hindu families....
Exactly how does someone become the world’s “leading” atheist? Who is the world’s “leading Christian”? The title alone shows a complete lack of comprehension of what atheism is, as well as a profound level of philosophical ignorance. It may however prove useful in getting clicks/views, so there is that.
I think what would be a better descirption of Oppy is that he is currently quite popular and has good arguments, even William Lane Craig says he is "scary smart" and ranks him among the most formidable atheists in terms of debating skills.
Yeah, how can you be a "leader" of not being convinced of there being a God? Maybe he is a leader of being able to explain why a Gods existence is not a likely proposition.
@@fredroberts8275that still doesn’t answer the question. So, who’s the world’s leading theist? Who’s the world’s leading vegan? I can think of quite a few famous atheists, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Ricky Gervais… just of those three, who’s ranked higher? Because I guess they’re all second rate compared to this guy, but now I really wanna know who’s number two! Please explain!
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if you're designing a universe, and designing it's inhabitants, why would you need to fine tune? you fine balance.
if god wants life, he should coarse tune.
if life is a zillion to one against, then you're saying god was more likely to fail to create life, god's odds should 1:1 - inevitable, not unlikely.
if god has to make the universe work for humans, whose laws of physics is he following, god should be able to make life from chewing gum and rubber bands.
and as oppy points out early on, is there only one way god can make the universe? god had to decide how to make the universe, was he limited, or could he have made ANY universe and bingo, life? in which case, there is no fine tuning argument to be had. there's no need for fine tuning if the universe can be any way at all.
Why do we have a bottom-up view of Dr. Graham Oppy? 😅😅
Since atheism isn't an organized religion, there is no world leader of it, so I'd love for you to explain how Dr Graham Oppy was able to convince you of that fact.
academia's leading doesn't mean he is a leader of any sort it simply means he's well respected in academic circles
you're not on the best page for accuracy.
Just think, Miles, you could have been a believer in some other religion if you had been born somewhere else in the world, raised by parents of a different belief system. We don't choose our religious beliefs. We are raised into them. It's not like our parents sit us down when about 3 or 4 years and say, "Okay now, here are a dozen of the world's religions and their beliefs. Tell us which one you want us to raise you in."
We certainly choose to remain in our religious beliefs or not, as many deconversion accounts will testify to. So, whatever beliefs I now have are ones that I am responsible for having, at least in some sense. Of course, as with any beliefs, religious or otherwise, we only "choose" them indirectly, by choosing to apprise ourselves of the relevant evidence or not, attempt objective reflection on that evidence or not, etc. But that point applies to all beliefs whatsoever that we hold to.
That's true about atheism too. Those who are born in atheistic societies are more likely to be atheists. So that argument is not special or decisive.
@@mileskdonahue75 But very few people brought up in a religious belief even consider that "choosing" is even an option. Being surrounded constantly by voices reinforcing those beliefs can have a very strong effect on eliminating such thoughts. If we could support our beliefs with evidence, real evidence, there would only be one religion and faith would not be required.
@@mileskdonahue75 odd that atheists pop up all over the world though not very often do baby muslims get born into christian families. it would be interesting to see the stats on buddhist children growing up in hindu families....
Exactly how does someone become the world’s “leading” atheist? Who is the world’s “leading Christian”?
The title alone shows a complete lack of comprehension of what atheism is, as well as a profound level of philosophical ignorance.
It may however prove useful in getting clicks/views, so there is that.
I think what would be a better descirption of Oppy is that he is currently quite popular and has good arguments, even William Lane Craig says he is "scary smart" and ranks him among the most formidable atheists in terms of debating skills.
Yeah, how can you be a "leader" of not being convinced of there being a God? Maybe he is a leader of being able to explain why a Gods existence is not a likely proposition.
By being one of the most notable and important philosophers of religion currently operating and with massive influence on various arguments?
This is the one haha
@@fredroberts8275that still doesn’t answer the question. So, who’s the world’s leading theist? Who’s the world’s leading vegan?
I can think of quite a few famous atheists, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Ricky Gervais… just of those three, who’s ranked higher? Because I guess they’re all second rate compared to this guy, but now I really wanna know who’s number two! Please explain!
World leading atheist?😂 cool discussion though
Yeah, he believes in God even less than ME! LOL.
My bad 😅