I think I am back. Computer problems are all gone and last night I finally started to feel like I was over my 2 week long cold and cough...so lets do this!! Let me know if you like the lettering and dialogue in these books or do you think they should just be the art?
Just found your channel in the last month or so and devouring every video, superb content. I've just recently picked up a pen again (quill and brush etc) after 30 years in the wilderness of 3d game dev. Sick of computers and feel so much better with a bit paper and some splashy ink. ...Plus just spent a week at a relatives in UK, miserable nightmare of a time dealing with a raving bipolar (snip unpc comments here) and watching your videos hidden in a closet saved my sanity. Thank you Mr Friend. You are indeed a friend! :)
computers are a lot of fun...but I found for myself going back to traditional was actually funner and easier to be honest. It's scary at first because there's some very convenient functions with computer drawing or composing...but it's pretty rewarding drawing on paper and you do end up with an original which is really a great bonus too! Thanks for the post and for checking out my channel.!! I do appreciate it!
@@RichardFriendartist hey thank you too Richard, yes not having ctrl z is half the fun of it! I used to collect Metal Hurlant in the late '80's which is where my interests took off. Wrightson, Moebius, Bilal, Nino (hey how about an Alex Nino vid?) Windsor Smith...it'd be easier to list the artists i dont like heh.
I think it would be cool, if they did a pencils book with and without letters, across from each other, that would show how the placement plays into the art.
and I love great lettering too...in particular hand lettering which obviously is way more rare now...but even a great digital letterer can work magic and add something really kinetic to the art...average letters tell an average tale and bad lettering or generic lettering can be really a distraction and annoying!! hahaha
As someone who admires the art and the pencils and studies it, I would prefer it without the word balloons, so I can take it all in better. At this point the word balloons feel more distracting for me. I could see the benefit in having them to take more note of the story telling aspect and see how Capullo makes room for the letters and accounts for them in the composition, though I feel like you could get that sense from seeing the actual book itself. That being said, I think the word balloons make more sense in the noir editions of these books because that feels like another way to experience the story in a black and white format.
right and that makes sense too. The pencil versions are kind of like the bare bones and almost "infrastructure" whereas (as you said) the noir version is more of a new experience reading the comic.
definitely...again if you work with a writer who isn't good at rationing their thoughts and words it can create some conflict but the best writers can kind of feel the level of detail and also verbiage and work it well!!
Rich, looks like a large cross section of responses. I don’t mind the letters especially if I am not familiar with the story. Sometimes it may be my only copy of that series of issues. I agree with the other comment that said it would be cool to see lettered side by side or perhaps both sequentially?
I have done some original art videos with his work! I noted him about getting the color files for Vampire Hunter D for a video on that and I never heard back. I wrote him 3 times and got no reply! I did try and I also did Grifter #1 and I think also...one of his creator owned books. Phantom Guard...so long answer shorter. Yes. lol
I would definitely prefer the books having no lettering. As you said, it covers up the art work. I bought the Unwrapped Hush comic before I ever read it, thought I could enjoy the story and the pencil art, but it didn't work. I was so engaged in the drawings, that I couldn't focus on the story. Plus, the digital speech balloons and text clashes with the pencil drawings, so it looks rather ugly to me in this form.
No letters for me unless you're going to do them on the boards -- and I think I inked probably one of the last jobs with letters on the boards back around 1995 -- I haven't heard of anyone messing with letters on the boards since around that time. If I wanted to read the story, there's cheaper versions of it in color than these hardbound books. In fact, there's a LOT of books where you could 'triple dip' on me. One regular, one b/w pencil, and one b/w pen and ink version.... if I like the art, I'll buy at LEAST 2 of those every time -- likely all 3 if the regular is the only one with lettering. But *only* if the art is worth a shit. These days I don't see many books I'd buy ONE copy of, let alone three.
I have the Brother scanner/printer, I got it because it was very cheap only $150 new and it scans and prints in A3, the scanner isn't great at all but it works for linework since it's meant to scan documents.
right. My scanner is a standalone 11X17 scanner. Microtek is the brand/ It was about 2 grand. I got this new printer only for printing...it has an 8X14" scanner which I might use for just general stuff...but right now I was good on that end. I didn't get the printer for blue lines etc. I was just curious if it would print on bristol which it did and really well. It looked better than the shop I go to and their printer is a $120,000 Ricoh. So props to Epson...they make a good somewhat affordable printer that does very high quality printing.
@@RichardFriendartist My Brother printer is really good too, even for photos but the scanner part is a big yikes for color work. Finding large scanners is the difficult part, specially today, good CCD scanners are really expensive, I think for color work a quality camera might be better.
@@farben_ I was tempted to get a Brother. I've heard great things about them. Microtek was recommended to me by Alex Sinclair. I have had mine for about 6 years now and (knock on wood) had no issues with it. I have opened it (meaning gone inside the printer unscrewing it) one or two times to clean the inside carefully because dust will gather inside and the light will catch it...but in 6 years that was 1 time...maybe 2. Not sure what I would get when this scanner goes down. I'd probably ask Alex what he is using now. He generally scans all of Scott Williams work when he inks Jim...so I know they need something that works great. Scott and Alex only live a few blocks I think from each other so they just exchange pages and Alex takes care of the prep. Not a bad deal for Scott! hahah
@@RichardFriendartist That would be great to know actually. The Brother scans requires a lot of clean up and post processing, you know how Frazetta would use washes and it would print a solid black? Mignola too with Hellboy. This doesn't happen at all with the Brother, in order to turn those washes solid you'll have to darken the faint lines too and everything will be groggy looking. I think the curves of the scanner might be off for this type of work, marker pen lines will be full of white pixel holes, won't be solid. Williams uses a lot of markers and brush pens these days and they look clean and sharp.
Man, as an artist myself and someone that appreciates raw art… dont like the lettering on it. I want to see the art and don’t like seeing parts covers in word balloons. I dont get these to read the story . I want to see the artist’s lines. 🤷🏻♂️
with these Greg for sure is very wise with where he drops out detail...I was noticing he rarely had much of anything where the word balloons would go. But I am telling you...not all writers ask or leave room with their ideas for that stuff...so Greg and Scott are for sure on the same page...probably with Greg directing that to be honest. I remember him talking about some stuff online kind of pushing back on Scott overly explaining what he wanted Greg to draw etc.
I think I am back. Computer problems are all gone and last night I finally started to feel like I was over my 2 week long cold and cough...so lets do this!! Let me know if you like the lettering and dialogue in these books or do you think they should just be the art?
Greg.. definitely one of the best of all time. Salute!
Just found your channel in the last month or so and devouring every video, superb content. I've just recently picked up a pen again (quill and brush etc) after 30 years in the wilderness of 3d game dev. Sick of computers and feel so much better with a bit paper and some splashy ink.
...Plus just spent a week at a relatives in UK, miserable nightmare of a time dealing with a raving bipolar (snip unpc comments here) and watching your videos hidden in a closet saved my sanity.
Thank you Mr Friend. You are indeed a friend! :)
computers are a lot of fun...but I found for myself going back to traditional was actually funner and easier to be honest. It's scary at first because there's some very convenient functions with computer drawing or composing...but it's pretty rewarding drawing on paper and you do end up with an original which is really a great bonus too! Thanks for the post and for checking out my channel.!! I do appreciate it!
@@RichardFriendartist hey thank you too Richard, yes not having ctrl z is half the fun of it!
I used to collect Metal Hurlant in the late '80's which is where my interests took off. Wrightson, Moebius, Bilal, Nino (hey how about an Alex Nino vid?) Windsor Smith...it'd be easier to list the artists i dont like heh.
I think it would be cool, if they did a pencils book with and without letters, across from each other, that would show how the placement plays into the art.
and I love great lettering too...in particular hand lettering which obviously is way more rare now...but even a great digital letterer can work magic and add something really kinetic to the art...average letters tell an average tale and bad lettering or generic lettering can be really a distraction and annoying!! hahaha
Greg does great textures! I'd love to see you tackle them!
yeah I just never have worked over him...it would be fun and I think pretty good fit for things I like to do!
I prefer the lettering since I'd never read the story before and preferred the pencil drawings over the finished, colored versions.
As someone who admires the art and the pencils and studies it, I would prefer it without the word balloons, so I can take it all in better. At this point the word balloons feel more distracting for me. I could see the benefit in having them to take more note of the story telling aspect and see how Capullo makes room for the letters and accounts for them in the composition, though I feel like you could get that sense from seeing the actual book itself. That being said, I think the word balloons make more sense in the noir editions of these books because that feels like another way to experience the story in a black and white format.
right and that makes sense too. The pencil versions are kind of like the bare bones and almost "infrastructure" whereas (as you said) the noir version is more of a new experience reading the comic.
Open more books Rich!
I shall! hahah
Leaving room for lettering is an art form too. I try to incorporate them into my thumbnails all the time.
definitely...again if you work with a writer who isn't good at rationing their thoughts and words it can create some conflict but the best writers can kind of feel the level of detail and also verbiage and work it well!!
Rich, looks like a large cross section of responses. I don’t mind the letters especially if I am not familiar with the story. Sometimes it may be my only copy of that series of issues. I agree with the other comment that said it would be cool to see lettered side by side or perhaps both sequentially?
I think capullo recently posted he was doing covers for the silvestri book unless its a different book altogether
Do you think you could do a Dennis Cowan the Question?
Where is kitty today?! I don't accept that! I need to hear her opinion! 😂
hahaha. She was around but I'd scared her before I started the video, moving stuff to set up for this and she split. haha
NO LETTERING for pencils only.. please
..done anything on Ryan Benjamin yet?...
I have done some original art videos with his work! I noted him about getting the color files for Vampire Hunter D for a video on that and I never heard back. I wrote him 3 times and got no reply! I did try and I also did Grifter #1 and I think also...one of his creator owned books. Phantom Guard...so long answer shorter. Yes. lol
I would definitely prefer the books having no lettering. As you said, it covers up the art work. I bought the Unwrapped Hush comic before I ever read it, thought I could enjoy the story and the pencil art, but it didn't work. I was so engaged in the drawings, that I couldn't focus on the story. Plus, the digital speech balloons and text clashes with the pencil drawings, so it looks rather ugly to me in this form.
No letters for me unless you're going to do them on the boards -- and I think I inked probably one of the last jobs with letters on the boards back around 1995 -- I haven't heard of anyone messing with letters on the boards since around that time.
If I wanted to read the story, there's cheaper versions of it in color than these hardbound books. In fact, there's a LOT of books where you could 'triple dip' on me. One regular, one b/w pencil, and one b/w pen and ink version.... if I like the art, I'll buy at LEAST 2 of those every time -- likely all 3 if the regular is the only one with lettering.
But *only* if the art is worth a shit. These days I don't see many books I'd buy ONE copy of, let alone three.
very nice
All pencils ✏️
I have the Brother scanner/printer, I got it because it was very cheap only $150 new and it scans and prints in A3, the scanner isn't great at all but it works for linework since it's meant to scan documents.
right. My scanner is a standalone 11X17 scanner. Microtek is the brand/ It was about 2 grand. I got this new printer only for printing...it has an 8X14" scanner which I might use for just general stuff...but right now I was good on that end. I didn't get the printer for blue lines etc. I was just curious if it would print on bristol which it did and really well. It looked better than the shop I go to and their printer is a $120,000 Ricoh. So props to Epson...they make a good somewhat affordable printer that does very high quality printing.
@@RichardFriendartist My Brother printer is really good too, even for photos but the scanner part is a big yikes for color work. Finding large scanners is the difficult part, specially today, good CCD scanners are really expensive, I think for color work a quality camera might be better.
@@farben_ I was tempted to get a Brother. I've heard great things about them. Microtek was recommended to me by Alex Sinclair. I have had mine for about 6 years now and (knock on wood) had no issues with it. I have opened it (meaning gone inside the printer unscrewing it) one or two times to clean the inside carefully because dust will gather inside and the light will catch it...but in 6 years that was 1 time...maybe 2. Not sure what I would get when this scanner goes down. I'd probably ask Alex what he is using now. He generally scans all of Scott Williams work when he inks Jim...so I know they need something that works great. Scott and Alex only live a few blocks I think from each other so they just exchange pages and Alex takes care of the prep. Not a bad deal for Scott! hahah
@@RichardFriendartist That would be great to know actually. The Brother scans requires a lot of clean up and post processing, you know how Frazetta would use washes and it would print a solid black? Mignola too with Hellboy. This doesn't happen at all with the Brother, in order to turn those washes solid you'll have to darken the faint lines too and everything will be groggy looking. I think the curves of the scanner might be off for this type of work, marker pen lines will be full of white pixel holes, won't be solid. Williams uses a lot of markers and brush pens these days and they look clean and sharp.
Man, as an artist myself and someone that appreciates raw art… dont like the lettering on it. I want to see the art and don’t like seeing parts covers in word balloons. I dont get these to read the story . I want to see the artist’s lines. 🤷🏻♂️
with these Greg for sure is very wise with where he drops out detail...I was noticing he rarely had much of anything where the word balloons would go. But I am telling you...not all writers ask or leave room with their ideas for that stuff...so Greg and Scott are for sure on the same page...probably with Greg directing that to be honest. I remember him talking about some stuff online kind of pushing back on Scott overly explaining what he wanted Greg to draw etc.
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