im 10 blocks in with pinks, black pearl, pioppinno, and lions mane and so far zero contams for me!! so much easier less time energy consuming. i've done 2 of 10 blocks with 5% soy hull pellet supplementation and all good.i'm getting 3 flushes ,i'm Doing 3/4 quart wheat grain spawn per bag. Thanks for sharing all your hard work results!! Awesome.👍👍👍
That's awesome, sounds like you're grows are doing well. Do you mind sharing how much water you are using with your HWFP/Soy Hull blend? I'm having a tough time finding perfect hydration for the soy hull mixes.
Great video! I've used this technique for the faster growing shiitake (as well as oysters) with success. I find one additional factor that helps is finding a supplement material that has previously gone through some kind of pasteurization process. Farm stores often sell pelletized feed (e.g., alfalfa, soy) - which are produced though a high heat process, so contamination is already low to begin with. Another one I've experimented with lately is spent coffee grounds - since the brewing process pre-pasteurizes the grounds. I think the pre-pasteurization + the in-bag pasteurization I do after mixing the substrate makes the technique reliable at 20% supplementation even for more sensitive species like shiitake.
I’ve been doing something similar to this for years and have a tip for improving the insulative value of whatever cooler they have on hand. Cut a piece of rigid foam insulation to fit under your cooler to insulate the bottom. Then use reflectix insulation and tape to make an enclosed sleeve that fits over your cooler. It could be characterized as a “poor boy“ technique, but I don’t really look at it as such. (As an added bonus, they look pretty cool 😂.) As somebody who’s been involved in mycology for many years-decades at this point-I remember a time when you couldn’t jump on the Internet to order products for your growing operations. Adapting off-the-shelf components and diy has been key for home cultivators for a long time. That’s one of the things I dig about your channel. There are undoubtedly some pretty cool mycology products out there, but they aren’t required for growing mushrooms. I mean, I paid off my house on 40 acres of land growing mushrooms and I don’t think I’ve once purchased a single mycology product other than cultures... not even a single petri dish or unicorn bag.
That's awesome you paid off your homestead that way. I appreciate you sharing your insight and experience. I probably haven't been growing as long as you, but I also learned with a lot of diy gear back in the days when all we had was Shroomery and books. I will pin this comment so others can see your cooler suggestion 👊
The company I bought it from is out of business now, but if you search "Brat Blue Culture" there are several sites selling it in liquid culture form. It's a beautiful strain.
Another valuable video!! I’m loving the methods of your madness Renegade! I’m new to this with only 10 blocks done using your pasteurizing method. Not a one had/has any contamination. I watched one of your early videos on pasteurization and in there you mentioned “you could use a cooler” and that’s what I did every time I’ve made a few blocks! Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. If it wasn’t for you and your videos, I probably wouldn’t have the success that I have had so far! So thanks again!
That's awesome you're having success right off the bat 👊 That's always my hope because a lot of people get frustrated early and just give up. I always recommend people start with light or no supplementation and then work their way up once you have success for that reason. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I didn't realize home cultivators could achieve such great results with supplementation! I've been using various Polypropylene containers and a Home Depot drink cooler for in-container pasteurization using your HWFP recipe. I'm excited to improve my process and start experimenting with supplementation. Thanks for another informative video that helps the community!
Yup basically I have been using an ice chest from the get go with your 5% mix. I am getting great results and good yields. I pre-warm the ice chest with boiling water chuck this out and always ensure I pack as many bags into the ice chest as possible to maintain a high pasteurisation temperature. I leave them overnight and when I take the bags out in the morning they are still too hot to handle i.e. 60˚C plus. I have not tried more than 5% bran but maybe I should!
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience. Maybe try 10% and see how it goes. If you go higher let me know how it works for you. Always good to hear others findings.
I've found some good stuff on the side of the road over the years, if you're willing to pick through the junk of course. This cooler is around $125, which I can handle if it works and lasts.
Several online vendors have it. The place I purchased mine from is out of business. Mycelium Emporium, Outgrow, or Mycelium Outlet all have it in LC syringe form.
Since you're one of my closest in distance mushroom neighbors, I thought I'd let you know that chickens are out ,this one I have been protecting from slugs for 5 days when it first popped up it's 100 yd from my cabin so I can keep a eye out for it I expect another flush in August.
Great video, have learned cool stuff, thanks. Do you think I can pasteurize only the wheat bran with this method to supplement pasteurized straw? Been looking for some supplementation of staw and haven't found it.
That would be an interesting experiment, not sure if it would work. I would say bran would be a good supplement for straw, but I know from experience that cocoa shells or buckwheat hulls work really well too and can both be hot water pasteurized right with the straw. Also just adding a higher volume of grain spawn works well to boost your yields with straw.
this is more or less what I just did for my first grow of mushrooms that I was responsible for every stage from the culture to grain spawn to pasteurized substrate. Ive grown a few blocks that I just bought the fruiting block. But this is my first from scratch for edible mushrooms. I have 1 bag of Elm Oyster, 1 bag of King Oyster, 1 bag of Boars Head type Lions Mane and 1 bag Lions Mane and 1 bag of Shiitake 3782. I used just a touch of Soy Peptone and super fine Gypsum in both the grain (wheat berries) and the substrate which is Oak hard wood pellets, so my only supplement is the peptone and gypsum and just a small amount in each. I boiled the water so it was 200+ degrees when I put in bag, sealed the bag and put in cooler all 5 bags and they stayed pretty hot until the the following day. Right now the Elm Oyster is just about ready to fruit, the two Lions Mane are coming on strong, The King Oyster a little behind and the Shiitake slow as an itch. I assume I shouldn't have the blocks that are not yet ready to fruit in the tent with the Elm Oyster when I cut slits in it for it to fruit and raise the humidity to about 95%? Or does it really matter?
You definitely don't want blocks in your tent until they're ready to fruit. The high CO2 in the sealed bags actually promotes colonization. If you compromise the bags before they are ready it can lead to poor colonization and contamination. In general, too long in the bag is better than too short. Shiitake are usually much slower than the others, mine typically take a couple months. They will fully colonize, then popcorn (get all lumpy), then start to get blotches of brown on the block surface. This is all normal. I typically leave mine in the bags until I see mushrooms forming then into the tent. I have a video that might help you out if this is your first experience with them: th-cam.com/video/-FuxghLt_h4/w-d-xo.html
Great video as always. I appreciate all your tests with different techniques and stains. Your grain to grain transfer video has me using this method and is amazing fast for grain colonization. My chamber is always full and have blocks waiting to go in there. Time to up my bran. Are you still using a quart jar of grain spawn per block with this method?
Yep, still using a quart per bag. I haven't tried to cut back on the spawn because it's cheap and easy to make for me so why not. I always recommend people start out with no or low supplementation and then work their way up. Sounds like you're already having success so maybe give 5% or 10% bran a go. If you nail that, go for 20%.
No PC spawn jars is a cool idea, might not even have to be grain. Alot of the large commercial spawn producers are getting away from grain in favor of synthetic spawn, although they seem to closely guard their proprietary recipes. Something to think about...
@@RenegadeMushrooms Suprising tbh. North Spore does a bulk cold water pasteurization with Soy Hulls and hardwood with lime and they do it commercially. No heat. Not full masters, but nonetheless suprised you wouldn't be more open to tryin it. Also suprised that we have not seen a follow up on the 20% bran pasteurization test which would be a big breakthrough if you could prove its consistency.
The plastic of your cooler is PP05? Or PEHD? Or other? Thx! Nice tek! Do you think it's possible to use a bigger cooler to pasteurize like 8 or 16 bags with only hot water? Or is it better to use an external steam generetor and put steam inside the cooler? Maybe use a PID controler to use less energy.
I don't see the plastic identified anywhere on the cooler but I'm guessing it's not PP5. I've done both external steam and just hot water pasteurization. I definitely prefer the hot water/hold the heat method I use in this video if you can get away with it, but both work. I think you could definitely do more bags in a larger cooler and still have success, at least with 20% bran.
Thank your for the answer! How many bags at maximum have you tried to stack in the cooler? I'm looking for one where i can stack at least 8 bags. But i Wonder how much water you put on your cooler? 20 litres? So this is definitely less time and energy consuming than doing two 90 minutes cooking of 4 bags if i can stack 8 bags in one cooler i guess! Nice work bro! Thank you! I put a link of à Guy who have done your tek with a PP05 box insulted and DIY steam generator conected to PID, he can put 48 bags in it. Cooler DIY th-cam.com/video/vs0rnz7MEFY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-g0IRlwZE5NzsS69 Steamer DIY: th-cam.com/video/YCA1qywk4uM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ae8fSvDFGzjjISi4 Have Nice Day!
I saw the colman xtrem 5 100QT (94liters) my goal would be to pasteurise at least 8bags in one batch, and the better would be 16bags in one batch. With only hot water it would be ideal! Ma bags are approx 6liters , i guess i will put about 20L boiling water into the tub so 94L-20L= 74L , and is my bags are 6L so 74L/6L = 12bags in one batch do you think is better to have more space between the bage and put only 8 of these in a colman 100QT or do you think 12 will be ok? Wich cooler do you recommend for like 8 to idealy 16 bags in one single run? Thx à lot!
For years i poured boiling water in a cooler. Then you pour the boiling water out. Then put your brisket or pork but in pre-warmed cooler and wrap with foil and towel. It will keep it warm for 4 hours. However, i tried it with sorghum hydration/prep and it all germinated before i could even pressure cook it. 😆
That's the base to my fully automated fruiting chamber. Here's the whole build if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/TKE4rErN6ys/w-d-xo.htmlsi=02JyEpLmUS2ryKWy
I have been watching most of your videos especially the one on how to create liquid culture. But I have never saw a video on how to sterilize a syringe properly and filling them up.. If you have a video out please try to know where to look thank you
Maybe I'll make a short video just on that part of the process. The syringes and needles come individually packaged and sterilized, so that is already done for you. All you have to do is twist the needle on to the syringe, invert your jar (or lay it on it's side) so the liquid is against the injection port, insert the needle and withdraw as much as you need. Then flame the needle until it just glows red hot, let it cool for a sec, then recap it with the plastic needle cap provided. Make sure you buy "Luer Loc" style syringes and needles so they are compatible. The tricky part is you want to avoid getting the filter patch wet if you are using a filter patch in your lid. Make sure you tip the jar enough so that you can pull LC, but not so much that you wet the filter.
@RenegadeMushrooms . I am sorry but I was under the impression that you sterilize and reused them because in Texas. You cannot buy syringes in the pharmacy.
@@robertboyd6475 It's definitely best to order them online, check out Shroom Supply. You can resterilize them if you want by wrapping them in foil and running them in the PC at 15 psi for at least 30 minutes.
@RenegadeMushrooms Thank you. I am new to this and I've been doing a lot of research. Because I want to grow some modesto mushrooms such as lions maine Turkey tail and Reishi indoors in my apartment
@@robertboyd6475 That should be easy to do with not much space. I started growing in an efficiency apartment many moons ago. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hi Renegade Guy! Thanks for another great video. I just did this with your original recipe but w/ 2 cups of wheat bran - I really want to push it to 50% bran (like Masters) for the heck of it. How much water would you suggest for 1.25 lb each pellets and bran? Or maybe 1.5 to 1 lb bran. I should know this but you do better math :-)
Yikes, I'm not always great at the mathing 😅 Keep in mind, wheat bran is different than soy hulls. Commercial operations using large sterilization equipment don't usually go above 20%. Seed hulls, like soy hulls can go up to 50%. Their nutrient profiles are different. That's why I was so excited to pull off 20% bran in this video, that mix has always been deemed to require sterilization. What I do know is that wheat bran doesn't seem to need much water. In this video, I added 8 oz. of extra bran and only upped my water by 4 oz. So... maybe start at .5 oz. of water for every 1 oz. of bran.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Ohhhhhhhhh, different eh? I was kinda glossing over that part, LOL! I might just give it a go in the name of science!. Nice job on the 20%!!
question, i thought about an hour and half pasteurizing was considered the ultimate time, and going beyond started killing off good bacteria, just wondering your thoughts on this thought lol, thx again
Traditionally I always worked in that 60 to 90 minute window, but this "extended" cooler pasteurization method seems to let you get away with higher nutrient blends, those that have always been said to require sterilization. Apparently holding the blocks in that pasteurization temp window for an extended period of time makes a difference. I see it as similar to an atmospheric steam sterilizer, essentially using a lower temperature (vs. an autoclave), just for a longer time period, to achieve the same goal.
I used to use a regular igloo cooler to make yogurt. I would preheat it with jugs and bottles filled with hot water (after turning up my water heater to high) and then pour the yogurt into canning jars and set them in with refreshed hot water jugs and bottles, overnight. Now I use a lab oven I bought for $5 at auction. lol I am white, but not "$500 Yeti cooler white" 😂
I can't bring myself to spend that much on a cooler either although I'm sure they're nice. This igloo really holds the heat and it was around $125/$150. That I can handle if it works and lasts.
Throwing a heating pad in my cooler and trying it out. And putting mine on a shelf next to a lil buddy cuz its winter, going all night cuz i always have sterilized my sub and im scared lol
As long as you spawn heavy it should work, I did 1 quart per bag. If you have one of those digital meat thermometers like I used it is really helpful too to see your starting and ending cooler temp. Not sure what the temp profile limits are at this point with this method, but it was interesting to see. It would be awesome if you share your results.
As a community we should give some support to 90! For the love of god tell the powers that be to pick on someone else! Did I miss Something? How do we protest? I can not think of one thing bad coming from his mouth ever! WTF?????
@@anaehinger1555 Yes it will, as long as it's sterile. Grain spawn is the standard however for fruiting blocks because of the additional nutrients it adds to your blocks.
im 10 blocks in with pinks, black pearl, pioppinno, and lions mane and so far zero contams for me!! so much easier less time energy consuming. i've done 2 of 10 blocks with 5% soy hull pellet supplementation and all good.i'm getting 3 flushes ,i'm Doing 3/4 quart wheat grain spawn per bag. Thanks for sharing all your hard work results!! Awesome.👍👍👍
That's awesome, sounds like you're grows are doing well. Do you mind sharing how much water you are using with your HWFP/Soy Hull blend? I'm having a tough time finding perfect hydration for the soy hull mixes.
Great video! I've used this technique for the faster growing shiitake (as well as oysters) with success. I find one additional factor that helps is finding a supplement material that has previously gone through some kind of pasteurization process. Farm stores often sell pelletized feed (e.g., alfalfa, soy) - which are produced though a high heat process, so contamination is already low to begin with. Another one I've experimented with lately is spent coffee grounds - since the brewing process pre-pasteurizes the grounds. I think the pre-pasteurization + the in-bag pasteurization I do after mixing the substrate makes the technique reliable at 20% supplementation even for more sensitive species like shiitake.
Agreed and good stuff, thank you for watching and sharing your experience.
I’ve been doing something similar to this for years and have a tip for improving the insulative value of whatever cooler they have on hand. Cut a piece of rigid foam insulation to fit under your cooler to insulate the bottom. Then use reflectix insulation and tape to make an enclosed sleeve that fits over your cooler. It could be characterized as a “poor boy“ technique, but I don’t really look at it as such. (As an added bonus, they look pretty cool 😂.) As somebody who’s been involved in mycology for many years-decades at this point-I remember a time when you couldn’t jump on the Internet to order products for your growing operations. Adapting off-the-shelf components and diy has been key for home cultivators for a long time. That’s one of the things I dig about your channel. There are undoubtedly some pretty cool mycology products out there, but they aren’t required for growing mushrooms. I mean, I paid off my house on 40 acres of land growing mushrooms and I don’t think I’ve once purchased a single mycology product other than cultures... not even a single petri dish or unicorn bag.
That's awesome you paid off your homestead that way. I appreciate you sharing your insight and experience. I probably haven't been growing as long as you, but I also learned with a lot of diy gear back in the days when all we had was Shroomery and books. I will pin this comment so others can see your cooler suggestion 👊
Nice idea man. I do similar with my beer fermenters!
Am going to try this and will follow your channel avidly.
Awesome, thank you for watching and let me know if you have any questions 👊
Love your videos , they inspire me to try my own
I hope you do! I love watching other people's mushroom videos on YT. Thank you for watching and commenting 🧡
Looks great, thanks for testing this out for us.
Nice work, thanks for sharing
Those bratislavian’s look wonderful, where do you get that strain
Thanks
The company I bought it from is out of business now, but if you search "Brat Blue Culture" there are several sites selling it in liquid culture form. It's a beautiful strain.
@@RenegadeMushrooms looks like a very nice strain, thanks for the info
Thanks for the video and your ideas. Hope to try this out soon...
Thanks for watching and commenting 🧡 Let me know how it works for you.
Another valuable video!! I’m loving the methods of your madness Renegade! I’m new to this with only 10 blocks done using your pasteurizing method. Not a one had/has any contamination. I watched one of your early videos on pasteurization and in there you mentioned “you could use a cooler” and that’s what I did every time I’ve made a few blocks! Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. If it wasn’t for you and your videos, I probably wouldn’t have the success that I have had so far! So thanks again!
That's awesome you're having success right off the bat 👊 That's always my hope because a lot of people get frustrated early and just give up. I always recommend people start with light or no supplementation and then work their way up once you have success for that reason. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I didn't realize home cultivators could achieve such great results with supplementation! I've been using various Polypropylene containers and a Home Depot drink cooler for in-container pasteurization using your HWFP recipe. I'm excited to improve my process and start experimenting with supplementation. Thanks for another informative video that helps the community!
Awesome, let me know how it goes for you.
Yup basically I have been using an ice chest from the get go with your 5% mix. I am getting great results and good yields. I pre-warm the ice chest with boiling water chuck this out and always ensure I pack as many bags into the ice chest as possible to maintain a high pasteurisation temperature. I leave them overnight and when I take the bags out in the morning they are still too hot to handle i.e. 60˚C plus. I have not tried more than 5% bran but maybe I should!
Awesome, thanks for sharing your experience. Maybe try 10% and see how it goes. If you go higher let me know how it works for you. Always good to hear others findings.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It really helps.
Amazing looking mushrooms! Talk about "poor boy" I eyeball every ice chest on the side of the road but most are always cracked/broken haha
I've found some good stuff on the side of the road over the years, if you're willing to pick through the junk of course. This cooler is around $125, which I can handle if it works and lasts.
Thank you for sharing your techniques and experiments! I love the practical and easy to understand methods you've been sharing. Nice!
Thank you for watching and commenting 🧡
Great video. Maybe sometime we can try this method with higher level of supplimentation.
Love the knowledge, we can never get enough. Do you have a recommended source for this strain? Would love to try them!
Several online vendors have it. The place I purchased mine from is out of business. Mycelium Emporium, Outgrow, or Mycelium Outlet all have it in LC syringe form.
Have you recorded the co2 levels on this one by chance?
Since you're one of my closest in distance mushroom neighbors, I thought I'd let you know that chickens are out ,this one I have been protecting from slugs for 5 days when it first popped up it's 100 yd from my cabin so I can keep a eye out for it I expect another flush in August.
Awesome, thanks for letting me know. I've also heard a few Golden Chanterelles are starting to pop.
Guess I better start checking my chanterelle spots
@@stevennourse3278 Seems pretty early to me but I've seen some pics so it's worth a look.
That's interesting i think 🤔 trying it
Great video, have learned cool stuff, thanks. Do you think I can pasteurize only the wheat bran with this method to supplement pasteurized straw? Been looking for some supplementation of staw and haven't found it.
That would be an interesting experiment, not sure if it would work. I would say bran would be a good supplement for straw, but I know from experience that cocoa shells or buckwheat hulls work really well too and can both be hot water pasteurized right with the straw. Also just adding a higher volume of grain spawn works well to boost your yields with straw.
Pioppinos was hard for me they didn't do well here in south ga!.
this is more or less what I just did for my first grow of mushrooms that I was responsible for every stage from the culture to grain spawn to pasteurized substrate.
Ive grown a few blocks that I just bought the fruiting block.
But this is my first from scratch for edible mushrooms.
I have 1 bag of Elm Oyster, 1 bag of King Oyster, 1 bag of Boars Head type Lions Mane and 1 bag Lions Mane and 1 bag of Shiitake 3782.
I used just a touch of Soy Peptone and super fine Gypsum in both the grain (wheat berries) and the substrate which is Oak hard wood pellets, so my only supplement is the peptone and gypsum and just a small amount in each.
I boiled the water so it was 200+ degrees when I put in bag, sealed the bag and put in cooler all 5 bags and they stayed pretty hot until the the following day.
Right now the Elm Oyster is just about ready to fruit, the two Lions Mane are coming on strong, The King Oyster a little behind and the Shiitake slow as an itch.
I assume I shouldn't have the blocks that are not yet ready to fruit in the tent with the Elm Oyster when I cut slits in it for it to fruit and raise the humidity to about 95%? Or does it really matter?
You definitely don't want blocks in your tent until they're ready to fruit. The high CO2 in the sealed bags actually promotes colonization. If you compromise the bags before they are ready it can lead to poor colonization and contamination. In general, too long in the bag is better than too short. Shiitake are usually much slower than the others, mine typically take a couple months. They will fully colonize, then popcorn (get all lumpy), then start to get blotches of brown on the block surface. This is all normal. I typically leave mine in the bags until I see mushrooms forming then into the tent. I have a video that might help you out if this is your first experience with them:
th-cam.com/video/-FuxghLt_h4/w-d-xo.html
@@RenegadeMushrooms thank you so much.
Very much appreciated.
Great video as always. I appreciate all your tests with different techniques and stains. Your grain to grain transfer video has me using this method and is amazing fast for grain colonization. My chamber is always full and have blocks waiting to go in there. Time to up my bran. Are you still using a quart jar of grain spawn per block with this method?
Yep, still using a quart per bag. I haven't tried to cut back on the spawn because it's cheap and easy to make for me so why not. I always recommend people start out with no or low supplementation and then work their way up. Sounds like you're already having success so maybe give 5% or 10% bran a go. If you nail that, go for 20%.
Thanks for the advice.
You’re awesome!
I’d love to see some kind of poor girl technique to make millet spawn jars 😊 (no pc or autoclave)
No PC spawn jars is a cool idea, might not even have to be grain. Alot of the large commercial spawn producers are getting away from grain in favor of synthetic spawn, although they seem to closely guard their proprietary recipes. Something to think about...
Damn. Synthetic spawn sounds sketch and very gmo ha
What about also mixing in hydrated lime with the mixture? Would that increase success rate?
Not sure, I've never used lime in any of my pasteurizations. Doesn't seem necessary, but you could always try it as an experiment.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Suprising tbh. North Spore does a bulk cold water pasteurization with Soy Hulls and hardwood with lime and they do it commercially. No heat. Not full masters, but nonetheless suprised you wouldn't be more open to tryin it.
Also suprised that we have not seen a follow up on the 20% bran pasteurization test which would be a big breakthrough if you could prove its consistency.
The plastic of your cooler is PP05? Or PEHD? Or other? Thx! Nice tek! Do you think it's possible to use a bigger cooler to pasteurize like 8 or 16 bags with only hot water? Or is it better to use an external steam generetor and put steam inside the cooler? Maybe use a PID controler to use less energy.
I don't see the plastic identified anywhere on the cooler but I'm guessing it's not PP5. I've done both external steam and just hot water pasteurization. I definitely prefer the hot water/hold the heat method I use in this video if you can get away with it, but both work. I think you could definitely do more bags in a larger cooler and still have success, at least with 20% bran.
Thank your for the answer! How many bags at maximum have you tried to stack in the cooler? I'm looking for one where i can stack at least 8 bags. But i Wonder how much water you put on your cooler? 20 litres?
So this is definitely less time and energy consuming than doing two 90 minutes cooking of 4 bags if i can stack 8 bags in one cooler i guess! Nice work bro!
Thank you!
I put a link of à Guy who have done your tek with a PP05 box insulted and DIY steam generator conected to PID, he can put 48 bags in it.
Cooler DIY
th-cam.com/video/vs0rnz7MEFY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-g0IRlwZE5NzsS69
Steamer DIY:
th-cam.com/video/YCA1qywk4uM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ae8fSvDFGzjjISi4
Have Nice Day!
I saw the colman xtrem 5 100QT (94liters) my goal would be to pasteurise at least 8bags in one batch, and the better would be 16bags in one batch. With only hot water it would be ideal! Ma bags are approx 6liters , i guess i will put about 20L boiling water into the tub so 94L-20L= 74L , and is my bags are 6L so 74L/6L = 12bags in one batch do you think is better to have more space between the bage and put only 8 of these in a colman 100QT or do you think 12 will be ok?
Wich cooler do you recommend for like 8 to idealy 16 bags in one single run?
Thx à lot!
For years i poured boiling water in a cooler. Then you pour the boiling water out. Then put your brisket or pork but in pre-warmed cooler and wrap with foil and towel. It will keep it warm for 4 hours. However, i tried it with sorghum hydration/prep and it all germinated before i could even pressure cook it. 😆
Dang, that's a bummer when that happens, just gotta start over.
What is that tub with the fan behind the bags ?
That's the base to my fully automated fruiting chamber. Here's the whole build if you're interested:
th-cam.com/video/TKE4rErN6ys/w-d-xo.htmlsi=02JyEpLmUS2ryKWy
Have you tried sous vide? My $100 sous vide can keep a cooler of water at exactly 195f for as long as needed.
I haven't tried that, but that is a really cool idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
How many quarts or pounds of spawn for a 5 pound block of subsrate ? Thank you
I typically add around 1 lb. per block. It's a heavy spawn rate, but it lets me get away with some of my substrate prep short cuts.
I have been watching most of your videos especially the one on how to create liquid culture. But I have never saw a video on how to sterilize a syringe properly and filling them up.. If you have a video out please try to know where to look thank you
Maybe I'll make a short video just on that part of the process. The syringes and needles come individually packaged and sterilized, so that is already done for you. All you have to do is twist the needle on to the syringe, invert your jar (or lay it on it's side) so the liquid is against the injection port, insert the needle and withdraw as much as you need. Then flame the needle until it just glows red hot, let it cool for a sec, then recap it with the plastic needle cap provided. Make sure you buy "Luer Loc" style syringes and needles so they are compatible. The tricky part is you want to avoid getting the filter patch wet if you are using a filter patch in your lid. Make sure you tip the jar enough so that you can pull LC, but not so much that you wet the filter.
@RenegadeMushrooms . I am sorry but I was under the impression that you sterilize and reused them because in Texas. You cannot buy syringes in the pharmacy.
@@robertboyd6475 It's definitely best to order them online, check out Shroom Supply. You can resterilize them if you want by wrapping them in foil and running them in the PC at 15 psi for at least 30 minutes.
@RenegadeMushrooms Thank you. I am new to this and I've been doing a lot of research. Because I want to grow some modesto mushrooms such as lions maine Turkey tail and Reishi indoors in my apartment
@@robertboyd6475 That should be easy to do with not much space. I started growing in an efficiency apartment many moons ago. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hi Renegade Guy! Thanks for another great video. I just did this with your original recipe but w/ 2 cups of wheat bran - I really want to push it to 50% bran (like Masters) for the heck of it. How much water would you suggest for 1.25 lb each pellets and bran? Or maybe 1.5 to 1 lb bran. I should know this but you do better math :-)
Yikes, I'm not always great at the mathing 😅 Keep in mind, wheat bran is different than soy hulls. Commercial operations using large sterilization equipment don't usually go above 20%. Seed hulls, like soy hulls can go up to 50%. Their nutrient profiles are different. That's why I was so excited to pull off 20% bran in this video, that mix has always been deemed to require sterilization. What I do know is that wheat bran doesn't seem to need much water. In this video, I added 8 oz. of extra bran and only upped my water by 4 oz. So... maybe start at .5 oz. of water for every 1 oz. of bran.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Ohhhhhhhhh, different eh? I was kinda glossing over that part, LOL! I might just give it a go in the name of science!. Nice job on the 20%!!
question, i thought about an hour and half pasteurizing was considered the ultimate time, and going beyond started killing off good bacteria, just wondering your thoughts on this thought lol, thx again
Traditionally I always worked in that 60 to 90 minute window, but this "extended" cooler pasteurization method seems to let you get away with higher nutrient blends, those that have always been said to require sterilization. Apparently holding the blocks in that pasteurization temp window for an extended period of time makes a difference. I see it as similar to an atmospheric steam sterilizer, essentially using a lower temperature (vs. an autoclave), just for a longer time period, to achieve the same goal.
I used to use a regular igloo cooler to make yogurt. I would preheat it with jugs and bottles filled with hot water (after turning up my water heater to high) and then pour the yogurt into canning jars and set them in with refreshed hot water jugs and bottles, overnight.
Now I use a lab oven I bought for $5 at auction. lol
I am white, but not "$500 Yeti cooler white" 😂
I can't bring myself to spend that much on a cooler either although I'm sure they're nice. This igloo really holds the heat and it was around $125/$150. That I can handle if it works and lasts.
Throwing a heating pad in my cooler and trying it out. And putting mine on a shelf next to a lil buddy cuz its winter, going all night cuz i always have sterilized my sub and im scared lol
As long as you spawn heavy it should work, I did 1 quart per bag. If you have one of those digital meat thermometers like I used it is really helpful too to see your starting and ending cooler temp. Not sure what the temp profile limits are at this point with this method, but it was interesting to see. It would be awesome if you share your results.
How big is the cooler? What's the volume?
It's a 52 quart Igloo BMX. You can find links in the shopping icon on the bottom left of your screen at the beginning of the video.
As a community we should give some support to 90! For the love of god tell the powers that be to pick on someone else! Did I miss Something? How do we protest? I can not think of one thing bad coming from his mouth ever! WTF?????
Thank you for the support 🧡
Did you ever try soy hulls with this method?
Not yet, been working on other things. I've had subscribers write and say they've had some success though.
@@RenegadeMushrooms Did you use hardwood or grain spawn?
@@anaehinger1555 Grain spawn.
Do you think hardwood would work?
@@anaehinger1555 Yes it will, as long as it's sterile. Grain spawn is the standard however for fruiting blocks because of the additional nutrients it adds to your blocks.
You are such an inspiration.