Having muddy mix or masking between instruments ..Believe me..Turn that MONO switch On.Mixed Everything in MONO (Eq, Compressor, Saturation,)then switch back to stereo and feel the magic.🔥
@@GrantProducing no it's not, when you have a decent setup with a decent room and a decent ear, you know where to put each element in the stereo field in a cohesive way that is going to translate to any speaker in the world
Those spectral masking graphs are top tier sauce - I never realized there was such a wide “fallout” of potential masking from frequencies so low on the spectrum. Fascinating stuff.
If anyone else wants to know, the song is ‘mindme feat. Le June - Hold you one last time’. That aside, I don’t know how you do it but your videos often gives me a surge of inspiration!
I really enjoy watching your videos and I use the tips you provide in this regard and I am very glad to meet you, thank you for making instructional videos, we support you on TH-cam
I appreciate the interesting topic. The definition of masking, I believe, refers to the "difficulty in hearing" caused by two sounds occupying the same frequency band. Yes, indeed, when there's a lot of 250Hz frequency, the mix tends to sound muddy. However, this is because the fundamental tones tend to concentrate around 250Hz. Masking occurs in any frequency band, not just at 250Hz. It has been explained that the 250Hz sine wave masks the 500Hz, 1kHz, 2kHz, and 4kHz sound, but this might be slightly inaccurate. I believe it's more accurate to say that the sound becomes unclear at 250Hz because the fundamental frequency of instruments that have 4kHz overtone overlaps with 250Hz, rather than stating that the 250Hz masks the 4kHz sound. I think masking occurs only between two sounds that exist in the same frequency range.
I have a question. In what order should we do 1. Resonance control eq 2. Subtractive eq 3. Additive/tonal shaping eq and 4. Unmasking eq ? Can you make a video on this topic please ?
Thanks for the question and watching the video - I'd start with subtractive EQ and combine that with unmasking (so subtractive EQ and unmasking work in tandem within the same processor/insert). Then resonance reduction, lastly additive/tonal shaping.
The conclusion I come away with from this post is get the Gulfoss plugin ! Soothe 2 clears up resonances, does that have the same effect ? Removing the bad stuff ?
Your videos are amazing! Big ups to you guys. However, in my humble opinion the playback example could be a little longer (at least by 5 seconds more than the current length) so as to clearly understand the difference that's there before and after. Cheers.
Thanks for watching! I found the original version of it in a study on masking (some scientific paper, can't remember the exact one), then recreated it for the video.
In second point when u said that 500 hz will mask 250 by 30 db. Then does it mean that in order to hear 500 clearly. We need to reduce 250 by 30db in equalizer?
The main drawback with oversampling is extra CPU usage. Another, much smaller issue, is very small latency compensation when using higher levels of oversampling - this will have a mild negative impact on transients, similar to linear phase processing, but to a lesser extent. SageAudio.com
@@yikiokumoofficial but that’s not necessarily true. a clipper can damage your audio just the same as compressor depending on the parameters you’ve set on either hardware/plugin. i will say i agree that you can kind more leverage through clipping before too much damage gets done
Good points… BUT… This really applies just to mixing finished recordings of course. The STRONGEST way to avoid both masking and the “cocktail party” effect is in the COMPOSING and ARRANGEMENTS. Even in the mixing phase, we do have some control over how the composition and arrangements are delivered to the listener’s ears. While the techniques shown here are indeed valid, it is also VERY important to not only understand music composition and arrangement, but also how the instruments themselves are played. Historically, most of the best producers and recording engineers have had a strong background as a musician, or at least a strong musical education or knowledge background. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts - absolutely. It's always best to have the best possibly recorded signal before mixing. That said, that's not always an option for engineers, so tips like these/a good understanding of what's causing masking are helpful. But like you said, composition, proper recording, and thoughtful arrangement play a big part as well.
Having muddy mix or masking between instruments ..Believe me..Turn that MONO switch On.Mixed Everything in MONO (Eq, Compressor, Saturation,)then switch back to stereo and feel the magic.🔥
yeah but this is good only for beginners
@@listenfidi no such thing as only for beginners, it’s a fundamental approach
@@GrantProducing no it's not, when you have a decent setup with a decent room and a decent ear, you know where to put each element in the stereo field in a cohesive way that is going to translate to any speaker in the world
@@listenfidi To Pimp a Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar, one of the best mixed albums of the 21st century, was mixed almost entirely in mono
@@listenfidi when the pros use mono technique it becomes more magical!
Those spectral masking graphs are top tier sauce - I never realized there was such a wide “fallout” of potential masking from frequencies so low on the spectrum. Fascinating stuff.
This is truly the most advanced channel when teaching mixing techniques. 💪
This is, in my opinion, one of the singular best videos on this channel and one of the best and most unique mixing videos on YT. Really well done.
Agreed
I cosign that dude..
If anyone else wants to know, the song is ‘mindme feat. Le June - Hold you one last time’. That aside, I don’t know how you do it but your videos often gives me a surge of inspiration!
That's awesome - great to hear that! Thanks Oliver!
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NEXT LEVEL, thank you SAGES of audio. Could you follow up this by a tutorial on complementary frequencies : )
Yo I want to thank you personally man... you've answered some questions no one's been able to tell me the answer to
1.3K likes. 0 dislikes. I rest my case. Good quality information
little by little the knowledge sinks in, good one thanks!
I really enjoy watching your videos and I use the tips you provide in this regard and I am very glad to meet you, thank you for making instructional videos, we support you on TH-cam
In my opinion the best channel to learn production, you should make a channel in Spanish, or easier to put subtitles in Spanish, it would be very good
what a superb video! I learnt so much here, thank you x
I appreciate the interesting topic.
The definition of masking, I believe, refers to the "difficulty in hearing" caused by two sounds occupying the same frequency band. Yes, indeed, when there's a lot of 250Hz frequency, the mix tends to sound muddy. However, this is because the fundamental tones tend to concentrate around 250Hz. Masking occurs in any frequency band, not just at 250Hz.
It has been explained that the 250Hz sine wave masks the 500Hz, 1kHz, 2kHz, and 4kHz sound, but this might be slightly inaccurate. I believe it's more accurate to say that the sound becomes unclear at 250Hz because the fundamental frequency of instruments that have 4kHz overtone overlaps with 250Hz, rather than stating that the 250Hz masks the 4kHz sound. I think masking occurs only between two sounds that exist in the same frequency range.
I have a question. In what order should we do 1. Resonance control eq 2. Subtractive eq 3. Additive/tonal shaping eq and 4. Unmasking eq ?
Can you make a video on this topic please ?
Thanks for the question and watching the video - I'd start with subtractive EQ and combine that with unmasking (so subtractive EQ and unmasking work in tandem within the same processor/insert).
Then resonance reduction, lastly additive/tonal shaping.
@@sageaudio Thank you very much 😍
The conclusion I come away with from this post is get the Gulfoss plugin ! Soothe 2 clears up resonances, does that have the same effect ? Removing the bad stuff ?
Thanks so much for those tips. I bought gullfoss eq because of you and ... it's really nice !!
Another WOW Video. Your channel is simply the very best. Thank you.
WHAT THE FLIP!!!!! DUDE, YOU JUST DROPPED A GEM MAN....
can compressors induce phase issues like eq does ? what is the interest of a linear compressor algorithm ?
Your videos are amazing! Big ups to you guys. However, in my humble opinion the playback example could be a little longer (at least by 5 seconds more than the current length) so as to clearly understand the difference that's there before and after.
Cheers.
Great to hear you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts/feedback!
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Where did you get that spectral masking graph? Just curious. Awesome stuff!
Thanks for watching! I found the original version of it in a study on masking (some scientific paper, can't remember the exact one), then recreated it for the video.
your content is insane dude, im really thankful! 🙌
Total banger of a video guys.
Also love this song, super infective.
Love you're videos bro!
In second point when u said that 500 hz will mask 250 by 30 db. Then does it mean that in order to hear 500 clearly. We need to reduce 250 by 30db in equalizer?
Thanks for watching! Don't reduce it by 30dB - a small change will make a big difference.
Thanks! Last EQ Only two knobs need to change
why should one ever not use oversampling ? is it only to reduce CPU charge ?
The main drawback with oversampling is extra CPU usage. Another, much smaller issue, is very small latency compensation when using higher levels of oversampling - this will have a mild negative impact on transients, similar to linear phase processing, but to a lesser extent.
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what is your opinion on mixing with clippers instead of compressors to tame peaks and boost perceived loudness?
interesting idea. i’ve only really used clippers in combination with a limiter on the battery but they did sound like something worth trying
Clippers are better for me because I can boost the audio without damaging the audio.
Keep on trying
@@yikiokumoofficial but that’s not necessarily true. a clipper can damage your audio just the same as compressor depending on the parameters you’ve set on either hardware/plugin.
i will say i agree that you can kind more leverage through clipping before too much damage gets done
Clipping can be more transparent than compression or limiting in some cases, like when controlling peaks.
This video is AMAZING. Thankyou for such useful information. 👍🎶🙏🙏
intinya. low frekuensi yang menyebabkan masking frequeny high. sehingga triknya kita up high frequency instead of low frequency
Fascinating, thank you.
That was really helpful, thanks!
Good job!
This video and song is so good!
Excelente! Gracias
love your channel, but please A/B with the same part of the song or track. Its not a fair comparison.
Sir Can you Share a template of this mastering Project with us..?? Sage Audio...
My instruments tend to get a little muddy and my mixing has recently been shifting towards cutting that 250 haha
this was very helpful!! can you teach us how to equalize a piano???
What’s the artist name singing the song
Very good video with valid information. Unfortunately too short😔.
Amazing knowledge!!!!
Good points… BUT…
This really applies just to mixing finished recordings of course.
The STRONGEST way to avoid both masking and the “cocktail party” effect is in the COMPOSING and ARRANGEMENTS.
Even in the mixing phase, we do have some control over how the composition and arrangements are delivered to the listener’s ears.
While the techniques shown here are indeed valid, it is also VERY important to not only understand music composition and arrangement, but also how the instruments themselves are played.
Historically, most of the best producers and recording engineers have had a strong background as a musician, or at least a strong musical education or knowledge background.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts - absolutely. It's always best to have the best possibly recorded signal before mixing. That said, that's not always an option for engineers, so tips like these/a good understanding of what's causing masking are helpful. But like you said, composition, proper recording, and thoughtful arrangement play a big part as well.
Im convince that most of of not all of these mastering engineers just run our songs thru programs like Ozone and charge u $500 lol
Not the 500$ one. But the engineers who charge below 50$ surely
Bravo! 👊🏿
I ❤️ Gullfoss
Who isnt subscribed by this point? Weirdos. lol
I would like to point out that the simplest way to reduce masking is to sort your arrangement.
Warning next part may sound harsh: *Still sounds better than my shitty mixes /cry* oh well. Jokes aside love the video you're a fucking legend
Haha thanks Mohamed!
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imo this isnt a thing in mixing if you cant hear something just turn it up
nothing like your channel....
👍👍👍👍
KMT !! They not show we the right thing 🙄🙄
Show we from scratch 🤦🏽♂️
wow