Holy shit dude, I thought you were lip synching at first. This is incredible. Too Dark Park is my favorite album of all time. Those tracks are timeless, none of them sound dated to my ears even all these decades later. Most electronic music tends to have a sound that makes its release date easily estimated but not Too Dark Park.
Excellent! You are absolutely correct that Skinny Puppy overall had a passion for experimenting with audio/sound tools without worrying too much about rules or obligations to follow what's worked well for others before them. (The way they used the 909 drum machine, for example.) Understanding the core principles and laws of physics in audio, recording, and sound design overall are beneficial. Definitely. But these days with software, especially if armed with at least some basic knowledge and experience, one is only limited by their imagination. Thanks for sharing your exploration of a rare vocal sound and band started decades ago that new generations are still discovering.
Skinny Puppy was so ahead of the mark on everything... imagine if Dwayne was still around... i cant imagine what the 3 of them would have put out after The Process
One can only wonder what an elder Dwayne might be writing today, or how his collaborations with cEvin would progress. There's an interesting parallel with Rhys Fulber and Bill Leeb: a wholesome duo that just...never has drama. They're creative, productive, and just continue to get better and better. But the more I learn about that Process era, the more I realize that the trio of cEvin/Dwayne/Ogre itself was just unstable and unhealthy for each other at that time. I simply don't think they would have done their best work continuing as Skinny Puppy: Dwayne and Ogre had very different visions. In my opinion, Ogre's magnum opus musically is "Devils In My Details" or even "WELT," not "Too Dark Park" or "Last Rights" (though those are his finest works of performance art). If you have a chance, visit Martin Atkins's Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music in Chicago. If you're lucky, you can have him as a tour guide, telling you all his stories about producing "The Process" and hear his original mixes. They're very different from the album. They're distinctly Skinny Puppy, and a real treasure.
Great video! I'm currently experimenting with a Boss SE-70 to get something similar to a Skinny Puppy vocal sound. I'd not tried adding a flanger, but your effect chains definitely make me think I should.
The SE-70 and SE-50 seem to be pretty legendary amongst alternative electronic acts. The Prodigy used them a lot, and they were also the go to effects for a lot of 2000s era EBM, industrial and aggrotech bands.
right on! IF only we could all afford an Eventide h949! I would be soo happy just to have a more modern digital version (by Eventide, of course). I guess they have the H3-something ultra-harmonizer for about $399--, so it's a goal I can work up to :) BTW I am a huge SP fan and you picked 2 great examples of the kind of complex effects that ohGr used during that period...I think I listened to that (on Cassette) so many times the actual wheels got worn down and the tape would play at the wrong speed! Happy Memories!
I read somewhere when touring, Oghr (and cEvin) use a Korg Kaoss Pad to warp them in real-time (chaining fx together much like your chain here). I'm looking forward to Korg releasing this summer an affordable 'mini' simple DIY version of the pad called the 'Korg NTS-3 Kaoss Pad' to go to town. It can only chain 4 fx at a time, but Overdrive/Compressor/Flanger/Reverb works. It also has a library function for users to create and upload infinite sounds. For now its cool just noodling with guitar fx pedals that do the same if not better!
Ha! I'll be at St. Pete as well (was orig going to NYC since I'm from up there but... not going to work out). One thing I'd add that would be great - is once you go through the chain describing everything (or even as you do) - if you could slowly build the chain up so we can hear what each item is adding onto it? Might sound tedious but it would help dial in the sound with other plugins. Also (and I do the audio-in on ableton myself) are any of the secondary vox channels spread stereo in the mixer (ie I do a lot of bkg left / bkng right ) or is the spread purely from the plugins on those subs?
great questions & thank you for the kind words.. :) yes, i do have the first and 3rd track panned. also a few ms delay on track 2 (i think) typically no more than 12-14% pan.beyond that i'll use PanMan. I'm a technical guy but i often feel like i'm one of the few who truly appreciate every tedious aspect of mix process so i tend to skip quickly thru it. think i have to push as much as possible from now on into the first 3 min. then take my time for kats like us who appreciate going into detail. i'll def keep what you wrote in mind moving forward. if u see me @ the show do say "hi". :)
My bedroom-hobby-music-producing ass has just enough know-how to be really blown away by what you did here, on Spasmolytic too. Crazy impressive, both the result and I guess your expertise in achieving it with these tools. Much appreciated for sharing this, eye opening. Kinda wondering how you'd go about recreating Harsh Stone White. Anyway, cheers man.
Thank you so much... i've been a fan since the late 80s so i've always been intrigued by Ogre vocal. Of course i've tried to emulate it before but with the help of Ken Marshall and Phil I was able to dial it in a bit more. Harsh Stone White is pretty straight forward. Not much processing/fx on that one. It's whatever Dave Ogilvie was conjuring up for Ogre during Too Dark Park/Last Rights era that really stepped up the game, specifically for vocalists. So happy you dug it. Best wishes!!.
Nice!!! Absolutely nailed Ohgr's tone with your chain. Thanks for sharing!! Give that Howard Benson Vocal Multiplier a shot if you haven't already. On Vox & Keyboards it can get very ugly (in a good way) 😸😸😸
This is really, really great! It sounds really awesome. Thanks for sharing! I'm really new to all of this and I have a question: would this template work on a live setting? Or would all the noise create feedback or other kinds of problems?
hello, even the best of 'em have to scale down live fx. in this scenario it's prob best to bounce vocal fx to individual audio track then mix live with your semi-dry vocal = mission accomplished. watch Ken Marshall youtube channel. he lays it all out. :)
was working on posting another vox vid but blew my voice out werkin' on vocal fx for Ministry tracks. i do have an fx chain that sounds really good on Scarecrow. also totally different fx for older Twitch style vocal. i'll get back to it and have something posted in coming weeks. stay tuned. :)
An effect I have found useful to simplify the amount of plugins per track is a multi-channel pitch shifter for vocals with a slight bit of reverb and distortion. Although I use it for Aggrotech genre vocals which is different than the SP sound. I have been a fan of SP since I was in school in the 80s they have been a major influence for me as well as others of the genre. I remember the first single I heard from SP Gods Gift Maggots, I was blown away and have been a fan ever since.
@@ambionica Funny enough, I use ReaPitch, a stock plugin in Reaper. Lol it seems too simple for most folks but the plugin does the job I need it to do and has never given me any problems Live or in the Studio.
Rabbit in the Moon is this DC? i appreciate you reaching out. we last chatted on FB. i can message u there. i would be happy to share my vocal processing session. Much respect to RitM and to you my friend.
Hi there, I am the singer back in the day of Stereo Taxic Device and Thinkingman I would actually like to try my vocals out on those settings. I don’t come on here or post messages. Not sure how to get old. Are you anyways cool shit.
Awesome job. You do a great Ohgr! Have you ever seen Ken Marshall on you tube. He’s a mix engineer who worked with SP for many years. He has some interesting insight into some of these things too. I bet he’d appreciate this video.
hi, i've never listened to Whumpscut but had friends who were fans. i just took a listen and believe the older stuff could be accomplished with an ART or Digitech rack multi-fx circa ealy-mid 90s with a distortion stomp box. after trying sooo many pedals on vocals back in the day, i found this to be best for industrial vocal = DOD Digitech FX56 American Metal. It's purple and i'd recommend putting on an aux with a gate inserted on the distortion so it kicks on only when u scream. On the newer track i heard i think it could be accomplished using Izotope Vocalsynth. i'm a big fan of Universal Audio plugins and now almost exclusively use them on vocals. best wishes!!!.
@@ambionica awesome! Thank you so much for the reply. I have been trying for a while now, to try different vst's or ableton stock pligins. No luck. I am sort of close with Rob Papen distort. I also know my voice won't sound exactly like his because we all sound different. I just want to get close. Would you recommend doubling the track or just a single track then a series effects? Thanks so much again in advance.
I think you're asking if I know how the sound was originally conceived. Ken Marshall covers that extensively on his TH-cam channel but as he says, it's harder to come by the original gear + it'd be more costly etc. but if u have the time & $ flow then def keep me posted on your progress. :) Best wishes!!!
Just read your comment again. your assumption is incorrect my mann. I don't own the original gear thus the 'emulation' but def chekc out Ken Marshalls youtube channel. :)
Holy shit dude, I thought you were lip synching at first. This is incredible. Too Dark Park is my favorite album of all time. Those tracks are timeless, none of them sound dated to my ears even all these decades later. Most electronic music tends to have a sound that makes its release date easily estimated but not Too Dark Park.
So glad this popped up in my feed this is real cool
Excellent! You are absolutely correct that Skinny Puppy overall had a passion for experimenting with audio/sound tools without worrying too much about rules or obligations to follow what's worked well for others before them. (The way they used the 909 drum machine, for example.) Understanding the core principles and laws of physics in audio, recording, and sound design overall are beneficial. Definitely. But these days with software, especially if armed with at least some basic knowledge and experience, one is only limited by their imagination. Thanks for sharing your exploration of a rare vocal sound and band started decades ago that new generations are still discovering.
Skinny Puppy was so ahead of the mark on everything... imagine if Dwayne was still around... i cant imagine what the 3 of them would have put out after The Process
One can only wonder what an elder Dwayne might be writing today, or how his collaborations with cEvin would progress. There's an interesting parallel with Rhys Fulber and Bill Leeb: a wholesome duo that just...never has drama. They're creative, productive, and just continue to get better and better.
But the more I learn about that Process era, the more I realize that the trio of cEvin/Dwayne/Ogre itself was just unstable and unhealthy for each other at that time. I simply don't think they would have done their best work continuing as Skinny Puppy: Dwayne and Ogre had very different visions. In my opinion, Ogre's magnum opus musically is "Devils In My Details" or even "WELT," not "Too Dark Park" or "Last Rights" (though those are his finest works of performance art).
If you have a chance, visit Martin Atkins's Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music in Chicago. If you're lucky, you can have him as a tour guide, telling you all his stories about producing "The Process" and hear his original mixes. They're very different from the album. They're distinctly Skinny Puppy, and a real treasure.
Huge ol’ school SP fan here! 🧟
Thanks for taking the time to brake down Oher’s vocals. Very cool!
You slayed it, just saw SP on their last tour, incredible work
Love this! Too Dark Park forever.
This is so cool to see!
Excellent work my dude.
You nailed the sound of Ogres vocals perfectly!
Great video! I'm currently experimenting with a Boss SE-70 to get something similar to a Skinny Puppy vocal sound. I'd not tried adding a flanger, but your effect chains definitely make me think I should.
i believe NIN & MManson used it very early on. i have a few industrial band friends who still use it
The SE-70 and SE-50 seem to be pretty legendary amongst alternative electronic acts. The Prodigy used them a lot, and they were also the go to effects for a lot of 2000s era EBM, industrial and aggrotech bands.
This is sick! Well done thank you for sharing your process.
this is so cool, very happy to have stumbled upon your channel!
This is amazing! I’m a huge Puppy fan too. Great job! Nailed the Too Dark Park sound!
right on! IF only we could all afford an Eventide h949! I would be soo happy just to have a more modern digital version (by Eventide, of course). I guess they have the H3-something ultra-harmonizer for about $399--, so it's a goal I can work up to :) BTW I am a huge SP fan and you picked 2 great examples of the kind of complex effects that ohGr used during that period...I think I listened to that (on Cassette) so many times the actual wheels got worn down and the tape would play at the wrong speed! Happy Memories!
Omgoth! Thank you so much for this gift!!!! I’ve been scouring the internet for industrial production but it’s basically an empty field.
Ken Marshell's stuff is great - he usually shares Puppy original mixes he did too.
fabulously done! just saying, a similar effects chain can be used to simulate "the voice" a la Dune 84 (shouts to all my BIFAR boys)
I read somewhere when touring, Oghr (and cEvin) use a Korg Kaoss Pad to warp them in real-time (chaining fx together much like your chain here). I'm looking forward to Korg releasing this summer an affordable 'mini' simple DIY version of the pad called the 'Korg NTS-3 Kaoss Pad' to go to town. It can only chain 4 fx at a time, but Overdrive/Compressor/Flanger/Reverb works. It also has a library function for users to create and upload infinite sounds. For now its cool just noodling with guitar fx pedals that do the same if not better!
Awesome vid. Would love to see like thirty more of these...
Great vid featuring two of my fave SP tracks. I’m sure your mic contributes a bit too. You nailed it!
:) nothing over the top. i use miktek cv3.
Best I've heard. Wonder if there is a way to do this soundtoys plugins...I'm going to have to tinker around.
Bravo! that's dedication!
Excellent work, thanks for putting the tutorial together!
Super cool. Way to go. Nice work.
If you haven't already found the instrumentals, cEvin Key's Patreon has heaps, including nature's revenge.
Sounds great.
Impressive! Very Nice! I Dig It! BRAP ON!
Rash reflexion. Great job
Been looking for a video like this for some time. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I Dig It man lol, subbed.
Ha! I'll be at St. Pete as well (was orig going to NYC since I'm from up there but... not going to work out). One thing I'd add that would be great - is once you go through the chain describing everything (or even as you do) - if you could slowly build the chain up so we can hear what each item is adding onto it? Might sound tedious but it would help dial in the sound with other plugins. Also (and I do the audio-in on ableton myself) are any of the secondary vox channels spread stereo in the mixer (ie I do a lot of bkg left / bkng right ) or is the spread purely from the plugins on those subs?
great questions & thank you for the kind words.. :) yes, i do have the first and 3rd track panned. also a few ms delay on track 2 (i think) typically no more than 12-14% pan.beyond that i'll use PanMan. I'm a technical guy but i often feel like i'm one of the few who truly appreciate every tedious aspect of mix process so i tend to skip quickly thru it. think i have to push as much as possible from now on into the first 3 min. then take my time for kats like us who appreciate going into detail. i'll def keep what you wrote in mind moving forward. if u see me @ the show do say "hi". :)
You annihilated this. 🦇 🖤 🦇 🖤
My bedroom-hobby-music-producing ass has just enough know-how to be really blown away by what you did here, on Spasmolytic too. Crazy impressive, both the result and I guess your expertise in achieving it with these tools. Much appreciated for sharing this, eye opening.
Kinda wondering how you'd go about recreating Harsh Stone White.
Anyway, cheers man.
Thank you so much... i've been a fan since the late 80s so i've always been intrigued by Ogre vocal. Of course i've tried to emulate it before but with the help of Ken Marshall and Phil I was able to dial it in a bit more. Harsh Stone White is pretty straight forward. Not much processing/fx on that one. It's whatever Dave Ogilvie was conjuring up for Ogre during Too Dark Park/Last Rights era that really stepped up the game, specifically for vocalists. So happy you dug it. Best wishes!!.
Could you do a tutorial on the synth and drum processing you used? The beat sounds amazing too.
Nice!!! Absolutely nailed Ohgr's tone with your chain. Thanks for sharing!! Give that Howard Benson Vocal Multiplier a shot if you haven't already. On Vox & Keyboards it can get very ugly (in a good way) 😸😸😸
Thats a very good likeness, interesting.
awesome mate sounds really good thanks for this! 🖤
thank you so much for the kind words. :)
This is really, really great! It sounds really awesome. Thanks for sharing!
I'm really new to all of this and I have a question: would this template work on a live setting? Or would all the noise create feedback or other kinds of problems?
hello, even the best of 'em have to scale down live fx. in this scenario it's prob best to bounce vocal fx to individual audio track then mix live with your semi-dry vocal = mission accomplished. watch Ken Marshall youtube channel. he lays it all out. :)
Cool. I’m not a vocalist but it would be cool to get a Ministry Psalm 69 video. Love the vocal effects on that album
was working on posting another vox vid but blew my voice out werkin' on vocal fx for Ministry tracks. i do have an fx chain that sounds really good on Scarecrow. also totally different fx for older Twitch style vocal. i'll get back to it and have something posted in coming weeks. stay tuned. :)
Awesome my friend 🖤
Very, very nice!
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Amazing!great job man! :D
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
An effect I have found useful to simplify the amount of plugins per track is a multi-channel pitch shifter for vocals with a slight bit of reverb and distortion. Although I use it for Aggrotech genre vocals which is different than the SP sound. I have been a fan of SP since I was in school in the 80s they have been a major influence for me as well as others of the genre. I remember the first single I heard from SP Gods Gift Maggots, I was blown away and have been a fan ever since.
nice... which multi-pitch are you using? waves or eventide? recently i've been toying with serial vocoders for a FLA bill leeb effect. lots of fun!!.
@@ambionica Funny enough, I use ReaPitch, a stock plugin in Reaper. Lol it seems too simple for most folks but the plugin does the job I need it to do and has never given me any problems Live or in the Studio.
this is so unreal
🖤🖤🖤
Fantastic job.
This is great! I have the instrumental to Mirror Saw from Last Rites, if you need it.
great sound,...how could this kind of vocal be transported to live koncert without the bleed in the mic ? any hint how is this done ? thnx
check out Ken Marshall youtube channel. He has the answers. Very kool dude.
Great video....what are the specs on the computer you are using? I imagine running that many plug-ins live requires a lot of processor power?
I'm using a Dell XPS allinone i7 8th gen 16gb ram = :)
can you make that templet downloadable... would be great just to open the project and check it out...
Rabbit in the Moon is this DC? i appreciate you reaching out. we last chatted on FB. i can message u there. i would be happy to share my vocal processing session. Much respect to RitM and to you my friend.
@@ambionica yes,., and sure,, hit me up there!
How do I sound like that live?
This sounds amazing. Do those UAD plugins need the hardware or are they native?
i'm using UAD hardware but now i believe most or all UADs no longer need dedicated hardware. = :)
nice.
Well done!
Nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
This is great! Did you have fx on the main vocal group as well?
great question.. :) go to 3:50. there you'll see my vocal group fx inserts. best wishes!!.
Hi there, I am the singer back in the day of Stereo Taxic Device and Thinkingman I would actually like to try my vocals out on those settings. I don’t come on here or post messages. Not sure how to get old. Are you anyways cool shit.
@@DanielWilliams-g6q thank you for kind words. I'm ambionica on Facebook. You can reach me there. :)
Ken Marshall might join as a guest and go through it with you
i wish!!!!! that'd be AMAZING!!!!!.
have you reached out to him? You know his channel here right it's super big on educating @@ambionica
I just wrote him about it. will let you know if he replies. @@ambionica But i guess Mark Walk is the guy you really want to talk to...
Awesome job. You do a great Ohgr! Have you ever seen Ken Marshall on you tube. He’s a mix engineer who worked with SP for many years. He has some interesting insight into some of these things too. I bet he’d appreciate this video.
Do you think you would be able to help me do wumpscut type vocals?
hi, i've never listened to Whumpscut but had friends who were fans. i just took a listen and believe the older stuff could be accomplished with an ART or Digitech rack multi-fx circa ealy-mid 90s with a distortion stomp box. after trying sooo many pedals on vocals back in the day, i found this to be best for industrial vocal =
DOD Digitech FX56 American Metal. It's purple and i'd recommend putting on an aux with a gate inserted on the distortion so it kicks on only when u scream. On the newer track i heard i think it could be accomplished using Izotope Vocalsynth. i'm a big fan of Universal Audio plugins and now almost exclusively use them on vocals. best wishes!!!.
@@ambionica awesome! Thank you so much for the reply. I have been trying for a while now, to try different vst's or ableton stock pligins. No luck. I am sort of close with Rob Papen distort. I also know my voice won't sound exactly like his because we all sound different. I just want to get close. Would you recommend doubling the track or just a single track then a series effects? Thanks so much again in advance.
@@ambionica also what distortion plugins would you recommend?
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I'm assuming you don't know how they really did. That in the old was actually analog equipment the right way
I think you're asking if I know how the sound was originally conceived. Ken Marshall covers that extensively on his TH-cam channel but as he says, it's harder to come by the original gear + it'd be more costly etc. but if u have the time & $ flow then def keep me posted on your progress. :) Best wishes!!!
Just read your comment again. your assumption is incorrect my mann. I don't own the original gear thus the 'emulation' but def chekc out Ken Marshalls youtube channel. :)
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Good job, thanks!