There is going to be some discourse around the topic but we can’t deny how influential the Submariner has been in the landscape of Sports Watches and how the modern watch is seen today. Would there be another watch you’d substitute into this category? (I’m thinking Datejust and Speedmaster will be up there) ;)
@@taa3062 Man, I'd put the Citizen Promaster up there too. I've been meaning to make a Citizen Diver video (they are the Diver's diver without question) And an OG G-shock? Who can deny it 🥃
@@apuraja If it was me, I'd go no-date with a Submariner but choose a Date for GMT (lining up better with their separate functions) But a simple diver without a date is just...chef's kiss 🥃
@@ID-Guy great topic that deserves to be revisited! The Sub’s legacy is much greater than any other brand, including Omega etc…. Doesn’t mean the watch is technically better by any mean, but its worldwide reach as an icon is second to none. Similar to the Porsche 911… not the fastest, nor the most powerful car, and yet it has become the ultimate reference as a sports car.
As a musician, to me, the Submariner is eerily analogous to the Fender Stratocaster. Introduced bizarrely at the same time ('53 & '54), they are both so technologically groundbreaking, globally recognizable, and influential, that their shadow still looms just as large as it did when they were first introduced. The fact that these 70 year old designs are STILL being copied in one form another today speaks for itself. I love the Fifty Fathoms, but it's aesthetic design footprint is nowhere nearl as monumental as the Submariners. Great video! IDGuy will own a Sub one day...Facts LOL
And as a Strat owner, I can attest to this... The Martin "D" series of watches? 😉 Great analogy Floyd. 50's designs in general have such a special place in our world. It's unreal! 🥃
Good point! I have a strat '98 and a sea-dweller 2006, one of the last "classic" look subs, would not let go of them at any price.The "good old" days looks keep hanging on because they are still the best!@@ID-Guy
Just stepped over your comment realizing i never saw it that way, but the more i think about it i have to agree with you. Mister "slow hands" Blacky is not only colourwise close to the Sub. Rudimentary made, more a tool and workhorse, no fancy bold design. And in some way both are not technically complex at all. On one side the not very apealing folding clasp punched out of sheet metal on the other a cheap simple screw in wammy bar. Yes you can chose between alloi or ceramic bazzel like rosewood or marbel neck, but thats it and you are happy for the rest of your live. Over the years of course we needed some more bottom end served with humbuckers in the bridge and seadweller, a reverse headstock with the crown on the 9 o clock possition. Some guys feel like "Hulk" in "the summer of love" and ask for golden sparkling nitro finish matching the full golden bracelett. Now i see plenty of similarities between 2 of my favourite things/ 1962 strat and 1998 sub. And like with axes you dont own only one watch...so, what kind of watch would my goldtop les paul be? Stay tuned and winded! Peter
I bought a Submariner, 16800 in 1984 as a dive tool watch when serving in the military (tax-free overseas). I wore it as my only watch for two decades through thick and thin before selling it in 2005 for four times what I'd originally paid for it (after my wife discovered what it was worth). I regret selling it every day of my life since. I've never been able to replace it. Today, for the past four years I've worn a Tudor Pelagos every day and it has been brilliant... but not quite a Sub. I will attain another Submariner 16800 once the mortgage is done and the kids are all self-sufficient. I will take it to my grave, I will be buried with it.
@@jeromef2001 Because mine was a 16800 and I wore it throughout the Gulf War and Balkans conflict. I dived with it all around the world and I realise now (too late) that it was a part of me.
I first saw the sub in the Rolex shop in Zurich 1962 and never forgot it. I didn't need James Bond or Steve McQueen to convince me this was a truly iconic timepiece. In 1972 I was looking for a new watch and my first stop was the local Rolex store in Palo Alto, Ca. They just happen to have a 1966 Submariner ,5512, 4 line, chronograph that a guy was unable to make the final payments on. I wound up paying $150. for the watch and it has been my daily wear watch ever since. To me the design is right up there with the Mercedes Gullwing and P-51 Mustang, no other watch has ever come close.
Thank you No. 9 (loved your appearance in the "White Album") - I actually can't believe how well it presented... taking such a cliche question but somehow it manages to sell it pretty well. Bizarre 😆
@@ID-Guy Haha that song is as controversial as the title of this post! I actually genuinely believe it is the most iconic watch of all time i bought it for the first time a few months ago and I’m glancing at it as I’m typing, this new version of it is just pure perfection I’m so glad they thinned those lugs it wears more elegant, long may the evolution continues!
I don’t think you’d lose a debate. Wearing my week old BB Pro (finally got The Call!) and the lineage is obvious. Submariner is the standard bearer in the dive category. Great video. Saw you’re over 14M views. 👍
I have a Hulk. I’ve had other watches too of course. But I cannot imagine a greater all around watch. Whether it is its iconic status, its wearing comfort, its durability, its simple beauty, or investment value…what an amazing watch.
I've made so many crits about the Hulk over the years (mainly about the bezel) But that green dial... It's now reached classic status too which is insane to think about, right? Dig it and thank you for sharing! 🥃
@@ID-Guy Thanks- I had a pic of the Hulk on my desk for approx 8 years, and was going to be mine only after I reached a certain business goal. This was before all the hype or crazy prices. I just loved it from day1.
I had many watches over the years, however I've sold all of them due to financial reasons but kept My Submariner. The Rolex Submariner is the only watch that gives me confidence and motivation and a reminder of the things I've accomplished and more to come. Definitely for me the best watch I've ever owned .
Id get a tudor blackbay for now and get your name on the waiting list for a sub.. If you take a trip to Hong Kong, theres a much better chance of getting one as therebare literally hundreds of official Rolex Authorised dealer. If hard to believe but its actually true
Two streams of commentary for you: Those legible dial markings of dot, dash, triangle (while unlikely meant as it) form as abstraction from the lume of the most traditional field watches: pips at the hours, double pips at 9, 3, & 6 if no small seconds, stacked pips flanked by additional pips at 12. Back to basics transcending to icon. I think reference 1680 provides a double revolutionary moment in an otherwise iterative design. Of the tool watch aspects, object as a utility, adding the date complication. A full hybridization of watertight case, automatic movement from an OP, chronometer accuracy and elapsed timing bezel of a Turnograph, and date with magnifier ala Datejust. & they also released a full yellow gold model. Chapter switch into full luxury goods.
I am supposed to be “retired” from the acquisition of new collection pieces. But for some odd reason, I really want a Sub date. If given the chance… I would jump at a Submariner. Why? It is simply sublime. Materials, design, build quality, legendary reputation, and sheer beauty. Nice video. You are killing me!
Greatest can be subjective; from the standpoint of being an almost universally recognized icon, probably yes. For what you get for the money from a finishing, materials and movement point of view, there are objectively better watches on paper for similar money. This is exacerbated by the hype of the past 5 years and the astronomically obscene secondary market prices. So it depends. Also worth recognizing that Rolex is just as much an advertising company as they are a watch company. They are an icon, no doubt.
Excellent points here AK, they are the masters in advertising and promoting their product (best in the industry I reckon) My main argument at the end of the day is thinking about how the design of the Submariner has influenced the watch industry at large over the decades. How many watches has the Sub inspired. But I agree, hopefully the video mentions that there are plenty of issues surrounding the hype and where it gets you 😉
As luxury watches are meant for; yes, it is one of the best as in fashion and a status symbol. There are a lot of watches that advance society and watches which achieved more, but as luxury watch are made for, Rolex Submariner is one of the greatest.
When you look at the field, dive and pilots watch they all share the same DNA. Simple dial with minimal text and a complimentary handset that just looks great and Rolex hit this on the first try and all they’ve done is gradually added features over the years and the design is timeless. This is why so many companies copy or take design hints to add to their respective models. But to say it’s the greatest? That’s subjective to the beholder.
Great video and very well put. One thing that does bother me about the whole discussion is that people seem to keep ignoring the significance of the datejust, and i suspect it's because, unlike the sub, it's not an investment piece. In my opinion, it has had a bigger influence on watch design than the sub. And if one wants a true daily watch with no dive bezel but of similar quality, then I propose the DJ41 oyster bracelet smooth bezel.
I’m going to respectfully disagree-I think I write on behalf of millions of watch fans who have coveted Datejusts for years, myself included. I can’t imagine anyone turning down a Datejust given the opportunity to own one, and a fluted-bezel 36 is for me a masterpiece! When it comes to watch-flipping and investment potential and all the noise about what Rolexes are “entry-level” watches, however, I can’t help but tune that noise out. Unless someone’s an avid collector, then sure, but let’s get real: It’s a Rolex, not a rung on a ladder! Whether it’s an Air-King or that hideous-looking rainbow Daytona-if you like it-wear it, appreciate it, and check the time on your wrist every day with tremendous pride and gratitude.
I do think it is a contender for the greatest of all time. I have always loved the circular indices and the rotating bezel. Plus its bracelet is one of the best at any price point. Hope to own one someday but I am in no rush.
For all the haters and lovers... the latest generation 124060 & 126610 are the greatest watches of all time because: - First of it's kind heritage = iconic dial and case design that is purpose built to be a tool watch, that has been improved on for 69 years! - A very high quality product = Rolex doesn't make bad watches. Full stop. Sub's are finished very well, keep great time, are attractive, tough, durable and hide their wear beautifully. - Chromalight = best functional lumed dial made today. Incredibly bright & legible in low and no light. - Glidelock = excellent bracelet adjustability and useful design. The adjustability range is awesome. - Ceramic bezel = best bezel in the industry. The black ceramic is superb. It changes color from dark black to dark grey and titanium shades in certain lightings. The knurling for grip and bezel clicks for precise turning in and out of the water, with or without gloves, are perfect. - Bezel pt. 2 = actual useful countdown 0-15 hashmarks and numerals to use as a timing device. Arguably more useful than a chronometer in most practical day to day use cases for timing everyday stuff. - Oyster bracelet = Bank vault construction and durability, especially now that is has screws. What you actually want on a dive watch. Great width and taper. With the Oysterlock safety clasp as well, it's arguably one of the best bracelets made. The only thing missing that would make it perfect would be screwed-in, not traditional spring bars. - Near perfect case shape & size = comfortable & wonderfully thin on the wrist. Now at 41mm it's def at the upper limit but the current lug design on the latest models wear much smaller than the 40 mm SuperCases of yesteryear. It wears and fits A LOT of wrists great. - 300M water resistance = more than enough protection. People, it was good enough for Jacques Cousteau and his band of merry men. If your James Cameron go get a DeepSea. - 70hrs of power reserve = this is a great amount of reserve to take off and set down on Friday, then put back on Monday without needing to adjust the time. - A very nice dial = often completely overlooked and not celebrated but the white-gold markers, indices, hands and deep black dial are incredible. So legible at all angles and light levels. - Wonderfully versatile = wear it with a business or a track suit. On bracelet or on strap. Take it to the office, the ocean or picnic on a Saturday. It's a one watch, do-it-all wonder. - Reasonably priced at retail = it is an heirloom product, for a fair price. Period. I'm sorry that you don't already own one and that you can't buy one if you actually have the money to spend. Hey, I'm not happy that I can't buy other Rolex's that I want but life's not fair so quit your whinging! Just keep saving your money and keep begging an A.D. for the moment that you get the chance and then happily enjoy owning the World's greatest watch ever made 😉 - Cyclops = wart. I don't like it. You can't make me like it. But it's a part of the classic design. Legend says it is because Hans Wilsdorf wanted it there for his wife to be able to read the date on pre-Submariner models, first used in 1945 on a Datejust, and then used as a legally defensible, product differentiating feature with the Sub Date. I'm sure all the grey-hairs love the magnification on their Sub Dates. All kidding aside the Cyclops really does work well, even though I wish it wasn't there. - BONUS: It is now a global currency = No matter where you find yourself on earth, having a Submariner on your wrist could save your life. It is a world currency and can be exchanged for cash or equivalent value at any time necessary. In fact I bet there would be more than a few takers right now if I offered mine for a fair and reasonable price at the exact same retail price I paid for it. And Heaven forbid... but if I had to get home from somewhere or handle a situation where I needed instant cash, I know my Submariner would be as good as gold, better in fact nowadays. Other watches are only as valuable as people "believe them to be" but a Rolex is measured by a different value structure the world over. No one in BFE knows what the heck a Journe, Moser, Gronefeld or MB&F is, but by God they know the Crown!
A few points: 1) the 50 Fathoms pre-dates the Submariner.. 2) Rolex didn't invent the face layout/indices specification. That came from military specs for their watch of choice 3) Rolex don't always use the "toughest" materials. 904L ("Oyster spec") stainless steel is more prone to scratching than 316L (used in most other watches..). 904 is chosen because it polishes up a bit better. Extra bling factor. There's no doubting that the "Sub" is an iconic watch but it's 'legendary' staus isn't borne from innovation and design. Rolex took inspiration from others and through luck/fortunate timing just happened to get good product placement for their product. The ongoing up-market advertising and limited availability via ADs just increased the desirability
The Submariner can do everything any other iconic watch can do. And with the modern anti-magnetic, anti shock and glidelock, it is the true watch of a rugged hunk.
Got my 124060 a year ago from AD after waiting 18 months, it can be done! It’s perfect and for me there’s no going back from the adjustable-on -the-go bracelet
A Bold statement indeed and I can't think anyone else has actually said it which seems hard to believe. You're so right of course. Sitting there like the holy grail of dive watches to which every manufacturer's best efforts are judged. Whatever anyone thinks of it , sometimes when a design is just so right I think the job is done and it can only evolve. Push the basic core too far and the design is lost. An obvious example to me would be the 911 whose performance has got better and better over the years. However, in terms of aesthetics I have opened a whole new can of worms! Not had a chance to check out your new channel yet , for your thoughts on all things design. I'm sure it will do well.
Definitely greatest watch in its class and for daily wear I don’t choose anything other than a submariner as for greatest watch of all time? I honestly can’t choose one. Cheers ID
Design and shape wise is it one of the best. I personally prefer the GMT Master, i think this is the best watch ever made. For dive watches i think the Fifty Fathoms and Planet Ocean watches are cooler for summer. Nice one again!
Personally, I strongly believe the greatest watch of all time is the Omega Speedmaster. To me, the title "the greatest" should be held by a watch that transcends watches. Yes, the Sub is an icon and always will be, it is probably the most recognisable watch, it was groundbreaking, it set a trend in the industry in terms of design, technology and all that.. But, you simply cannot compare the magnitude of things like being a status symbol, being groundbreaking, and so on, with the greatest accomplishment of mankind to date. If you set "technology", "status symbols" and all of these superficial (dare I say) things aside, the Speedy transcends watchmaking and therefore is something so much more special than simply being an iconic design/status symbol/technological advancement.
Neither the Sub or the Speedy are the 'greatest'. This is subjective on many personal factors of function and design. They were designed for different purposes. The Speedy can't swim & the Sub can't measure distance over time. However, it is well known that the Sub has been worn into space but the Speedy hasn't been taken diving professionally. I have owned both watches and variations of them. i.e Moon watch, Flightmaster, Date Sub, No date Sub & Sea-Dweller. I sold all my Omegas & kept my 3 Rolex dive watches, as the Speedy & Flightmaster did not suit my lifestyle and the extra functionality of a chronograph wasn't necessary. The tachy was just a hindrance. How often do you use it? I live near the ocean spend more time on the beach than on a race track or in space, so the Speedy although having a great boys-own-adventure space-astronaut history, is just impractical for the common man. Additionally, I don't have any reason to believe that the Moon landing was real. All evidence points to a doctored film studio of the moon landing. But that's a story in itself. If you want to argue the point that the Speedy transcends human achievement & technical advancement, then perhaps it doesn't win in that category either. The title of technical innovation belongs to the Bulova Accutron. The first successful electric powered watch which was manufactured for maintaining accuracy under high temperature and velocity. That's why Bulova manufactured the timing and gauge instruments for the Apollo spacecraft. Everyone is fixated on the watch that the astronauts wore into space. What about the technology on the spacecraft itself?
@@oysterman962 Agreed - "the greatest" could be subjective on personal level. To me, "the greatest" should be one that goes beyond watchmaking - i.e. a watch linked to "the greatest" achievement of mankind to date. It seems like to you, "the greatest" is a watch that has enough water resistance since you live by the ocean - fair enough. There's no right or wrong answer here. I never argued the Speedy transcends human achievement or technical achievement though - do not put words in my mouth. I argued it transcends watchmaking, i.e. it means much more than simply being a good watch, it means more than mere features like "water resistance", "120 click bezels" and so on, because of the historic event (to me, mankind's greatest) it was a part of. Is it the perfect watch? No. There is no perfect watches. Is it the greatest? To me - yes.
I owned the vintage Speedmaster MK2. It was only manufactured for 4 years. It's using the same movement as the moon watch but different case and price is much much cheaper. I also own the American Optical Original Pilot sunglasses worn by the Apollo astronauts. They have been making them for NASA since the 1950s. They are standard issue for all US Air Force & Naval Aviators until today. They look cool and last forever because they are made to military specifications. Take a look at old photos of Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin. You will see the sunglasses. Better than Ray Bans. If you own a Speedy you need these sunglasses.
@@terryl7749 Thanks for sharing Terry, very interesting! Quite the coincidence, as I've been looking for sunglasses lately and still haven't made up my mind on what to buy. Do you know the brand/model of those worn by Neil and Buzz?
Rather reminds me of the Porsche 911. The modern iterations are more luxurious; but at their core, they still very much are useable everyday sports cars.
You argue your point well. I was particularly interested in the use of geometric shapes instead of numbers on the dial. I guess this really was an important innovation, because legibility, not just water tightness, underwater is fundamental. Was this the first dive watch with a unidirectional bezel?
We'll, it's one of the best. I'd say the GMT Master II is a close second. And all of your reasons listed for why it is the best is all true. Great video by the way .
Give it time, these creep up on you 😉 But I get you if it's never been a watch you've considered, especially now with they Hype-Machine cranking them like crazy 🥃
Cliche, but I think the 6105 series set Seiko on that path to greatness (obviously) What a standout that watch was... Love the turtle. I've got to add one 🥃
@@ID-Guy you have got that right, I actually own the 1970 Seiko 6105 Proof/proof....which I think they only made for 3 months.....then they changed to Resist on Dial and caseback.... Seiko 6105 absolutely
I’m on my third iteration of the Submariner (the 114060. I just love the super case) and I’m lucky enough to own the current Seamaster diver 300 and also a Tudor black bay. They are all great watches but the ‘sub’ is the pick of the bunch and I wear it everywhere. Nice Video.
I got my submariner Starbucks for my 62 birthday and told my wife to give it to my first grandchild if I’m not around to give it myself. I have bought all my kids and wife Rolex watches as they requested. None asked for a sub. The iconic day just was the most requested. Five down one to go
This the datejust and the explorer near hit the peak of steel sports watches, but just like Rolls-Royce with cars watches that have been released more recently now equal them.
Gone off Rolex, but without a doubt it's the most recognised watch on the planet. Plus I have a Black Bay 58 which lets face it, is a copy of a vintage Submariner.
Nail on the head… again. Form and function merge seamlessly together in this piece of art. It is objectively beautiful, yet purpose driven… at least originally. The two tone clearly represents a departure from the tool watch history of the watch- but is a strangely beautiful timepiece. However, the original is at home in all situations, whether on a beach or in a tuxedo. The ultimate one watch collection. However, who could make due with only one watch….
The 14060 (non-date) outlasted the 16610 (date) for some years and to me that is the last classic, elegant Sub. A real Sub has to be without the date - as it never had a date for the first 15 years anyway.
@@misterbianco6202 I had a no-date 14060 and it felt flat and small. The dial is 1mm smaller than the date version and the bracelet didn't feel good. Sure the lines are perfect but I think the cyclops is the contemporary Rolex classic look now.
@@detonator2112 Well, I had both watches as well and kept the 14060 for life. The size in my eyes is just perfect, the two-line dial without the date so balanced and beautiful and the bracelet may not be as good as the newer ones, but it did the job for generations without a fault and is much more comfortable. And quite some comparisons of the two models here on YT come to the same conclusion. Also I think the "real" Sub without the date is still loved by may even to the curent six-digit line-up. But all that comes to personal preference, of course :)
Greatest watch of all time is subjective to the wearer. There are dive watches out there that have more history and longer pedigree than the Rolex Submariner.
Blancpain FF is a killer. I think what I wanted to hammer home most with this clip was the "influence" the Sub has had on the landscape of what we see as professional sports watches today (and how many designs exist because of it) 😉
They were the premier tool watch back in the day. They were also much cheaper. During the Vietnam era, many soldiers bought them. Sadly though, the money-men took charge of the brand. Now they are considerably overpriced and the buyers have to deal with artificial scarcity. This has turned me off. I won't buy one. Hopefully some day, the original ethos will return.
In 100 year if there is still Wikipedia and someone were to look up what a wristwatch was, or maybe is, there will be a photo of a Rolex Sub, or should be. I remember in 1989 standing at the Rolex AD counter with with a Rolex Sub on my wrist thinking about buying it. $2,500 back then. But I'd just bought a house and new car so it wasn't to be. But I sort of grew out of the Rolex Sub when I became a watch enthusiast. Many other Rolex's have adorned my wrist but not a Sub. Maybe some day?
The design of the Submariner is the greatest of all time. There are many homages that are superior to it at a fraction of the price. It's the most iconic and overly discussed watch that isn't superior in any way, but people foolishly believe it is.
Wrong, sorry. What is a watch for? To tell time? No mechanical watch does that better than a Rolex. Beyond that, you can take the Sub down in the water a thousand feet. Throw it into the dishwasher to clean it. It won't need servicing for at least 10 years. Nothing but another Rolex can equal it in any of those categories.
I assume that you meant "the influence...[]...cannot be overstated.". If something cannot be understated then it is because it is of so little importance or weight that understating it is simply impossible. You might also have meant "cannot be underestimated" but "cannot be understated" would a crime along the lines of the american tendency to say "I could care less".
As a kid with an age of more or less 6 years i saw the submarine in a shopping window. 31 years later i bought one and im so happy and proud to own my Sub Date 126610LN 🫶
My wife bought my Submariner in 2009 shortly before my first combat deployment to Afghanistan. My Sub accompanied me on five more deployments to Asia and the Middle East and at on least 30 static line parachute jumps. Today, years after my 30 year military career ended, it is still my daily wear.
This is why I chose this as my “one and done” watch, years ago. Every time I get an itch for another watch, I just look down at my wrist. It’s a family member.
@@15harry1561 I get it, you won't get stabbed for a Speedmaster, but it's also an entirely inferior watch. I couldn't be worried about a watch every time I was on the beach / pool / shower
@@djdc81 Insurance isn't that expensive. Most people won't notice it anyway. Pretty sure a lot of the city boys n girls are walking round with watches 50-100k+
@@1physics I have all my watches insured (Inc. the Rolex) - it is expensive. I live in the City, most folk do not just walk around with £50 - £100k watches, that make believe bollocks is for rap videos
My dad bought a 5513 on layaway in 1968. He paid $20 a month for a year. He gave that watch to me in 1988 for my birthday. I still wear it regularly and it still keeps great time. I plan to give it to my son one day. After all these years, I still find myself staring at it, admiring the matte black dial, creamy geometric tritium lume plots and patina matching Mercedes hands. It’s an amazing watch that gets better looking with age.
Few things in life are perfect and built to be used for a lifetime . I lusted after a Submariner from the first time I saw one. I tried on many, but real life priorities went first. I looked at other brands but none had the combination of heritage, engineering, toughness and elegance. Then 35 years after first seeing one, on my anniversary, one appeared out of the vault at my local AD. My wife looked at me and said “ there you are, you’ve waited long enough”. We are retired but still love the ocean. We both surf, and I do a little sport diving so the watch definitely gets wet. Our son is a U.S. Navy Rescue Swimmer, and someday my Rolex Submariner will be his. ( He has already earned it). Was it worth the wait? Absolutely! Excellent video!
Another fantastic video. I love your approach to covering watches by discussing the history and design elements and the importance of the decisions made. Keep up the amazing work man.
Man, thank you. It means so much that people can take time out of their day to hop onto these clips AND the fact that I've seen your videos in the past before!! I swear you helped sell me with the Shure that I'm using... Direct USB plug-in was a no-brainer for me 😉🥃
Holy smokes that's incredible... The 7928's reputation is simply amazing (arguably better than the later snowflakes?) Thank you for sharing this with me 🥃
in 1965 the 7928 cost $175 and the 5513 $190... this proves that the crown was only a whim for the playboys. the 🌷 has always been the replacement actor, the one who does the stunts.
You know… I’m in such a weird spot right now! I was just at the AD and saw a couple of Submariners in the display case… and they just weren’t doing anything for me! 🙈🤷🏻♀️ Idk! I think pretty soon, with the next generation, they will be seen as pretty old man watches. 🙈 who knows!
In our line of work they definitely get repetitive! Plus there are so many more dynamic models out there for us to experiment with. Ah, once the Apple Watch is in full-swing, I bet these mechanical machines will be like the combustion engine Britt 😉
The FF definitely has some pull in this field (innovation wise for sure) 🥃 My thinking is more around the "influence" the Sub has. If we think of the design has remained virtually unchanged for 70 years (and all the watches and brands its design has influenced over the decades)
A great video IDGuy, sometimes when a design is right evolution and not revolution is they key. New materials, better bracelets, a tweak or two to the shape and movement improvements. For sure my 124060 no date is very well made (the bezel action is sublime), accurate, modern but also retro at the same time if that makes any sense. Oh, and I do wear it as part of the rotation so it does have some wear marks. And I'm more than OK with that. For now it just might be the greatest watch of all time.
Thank you for sharing this Anthony. It's interesting how more brands aren't steadfast in their ways when it comes to keeping their designs the same and not changing. Maybe that's the secret? Lay down the law and reinforce how great it is 😆🥃
@@WestCoastAce27 it doesn’t have first mover advantage, the Fifthy Fathoms is the template which all others followed, look at the dial then tell me I’m wrong. The sub was released several months after the Fifty.
@@algorithm007ify Surely not! All the "ingredients" of the Submariner can be found in other Rolex made watches of the 30s long before the Fifty Fathoms ever existed.
@@ID-Guy Yep. We cannot all afford say a Rolex, PP or AP, but the watch on my wrist is the best watch for me at that moment, be it my Hamilton, Tudor, or Omega, or a G-Shock.
Do i only wear Levi's 501? Yes. Are there better jeans out there? Maybe, but i don't care. Though i don't own a sub and don't have the inkling either, i know the Platonic ideal of watch when I see it. If you wear a Sub and for whatever reason, you won't hear a word of criticism from me. Ask a 7yo kid to draw a watch and it won't look like a Tank or a Calatrava. Nice edition IDG (and suitably clickbaity too...your channel deserves more eyeballs😁👍)
Greatest watch is really subjective. I will say the submariner is greatest watch Rolex makes. There is a debate that the Apple Watch is the greatest bringing super computers on people wrist or the Seiko Astron bringing affordable quartz accurate time keeping to the masses. There even a debate that the Omega speedmaster is the greatest watch among the Swiss luxury watches which was the only watch which was tested by NASA and passed which Rolex was also tested. The Speedmaster went to the moon and saved three astronauts lives. I will say Submariner is greatest in popularity and a status symbol.
Superb points here Alex. Apple watch in its field has a lot of claim as does the Speedy. It blows my mind how the Sub has influenced so much of the modern watch space all these decades later. Quite surreal to say the least 🥃
Too me it is the most versatile watch ever made. There is a reason why it was the original bond watch. It goes from being tough and rugged to classy and elegant with ease. It is one of the only true tool watches that can be worn with a suit or even a black tie. Between it's accuracy, durability, finishing and slim 12m case it is a watch that looks great and fits any occasion. If I could only have one watch in my collection, while it may not be the best expression of my unique style, it would be hard to not pick the black bezel sub.
And its surreal to see how this design has translated into so many other pieces over the years. It's simple influence has made such an impact in the watch world. I still can't quite get over how they did it. Great points here Ricky 🥃
Hans wilsdorf made a great dive tool watch but I think 🤔 he’d be rolling in his grave if he knew the dive bezel was used primarily for timing parking meters or grilling steak 🥩!
I think it can definitely be said that it's the most iconic watch, but I don't know about greatest. As far as technical specifications, price, and to a lesser extent it's history, it's incredibly subjective to say it's the greatest watch ever.
I believe it is the most popular and iconic watch in the last 50 years, but I don't believe it is the most ground breaking and highest quality watch of all time. There have been radical innovations in watches over the past 300 years that changed the whole industry.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”. Let's say there has never been a more imitated watch. Need there be more said? ...Well, I will say a just little more.. no matter how much I try, I still come back to a submariner design in my watch purchases in one form or another. There's no debate for me.. I really like the design.
Thanks for the video! Perfect timing I think contributed to the legendary status of the Rolex Sub: - The Fifties and Sixties saw the rise in popularity for adventures and discoveries: Everest, Space, and Oceans fascinated the greater public - Rolex was not yet perceived as a “luxury” brand, but as a watch brand for life, because of its robustness and quality. - The Sub was the ultimate combination of the above. It became the best symbol for an entire generation keen to be part of this world of adventure and discoveries. - The fact it was built for professionals and used by the very best of them gave the Sub a credibility second to none. The rest is history…..
Totally agree, i see alot of Rolex haters in the past 2-3 years mainly because they cant obtain one. But we all know the Rolex brand will always be om top and the Sub will always be the benchmark!
Great video as always. I have nothing against Rolex or their designs. But I just can't digest those Mercedes hands. I like the Tudor better, or homages from other brands using different handsets.
Most important, iconic, and influential? Of course! Even haters dont deny this self-evident fact. Best watch ever overall? Not even close! So many other watches out there outclass it from a performance and aesthetic standpoint. That said... I still want one, though if I had to be nitpicky about it, I'd want a 2-Line Ref. 6538 with an original no-hatch bezel. I'm sure they are impossible to find in the wild, and would go for OBSCENE amounts of money if one still existed intact and in reasonable condition, but that's my ultimate grail watch; It was the one that started the "gotta have that cool watch" trend and is the one that inspired so many of us to pursue this hobby in the first place, and for that reason alone, I shall lust after and covet it until my dying breath.
It's an oddity that I think we'll always question. Why do we feel so compelled to own one? Just image they were able to give us an incarnation of the 6538... Suggestion! Find a BB58 Gilt and get a watchmaker to fit it with aftermarket gilt Merc hands. It looks unreal man... simply unreal... I'm playing with the idea myself 😉
In my opinion the Rolex is absolutely iconic, but unfortunately that makes them overhyped, had to get a hold of and overpriced in the second hand market. It’s the reason I bought both a seamaster 300 and a black bay instead!
In 1982, my sisters boyfriend was a U.S. Marine Security Guard working at an American Embassy overseas. He dropped by the house and I noticed a gorgeous new watch on his wrist. I asked hime what it was. "Rolex Submariner! State of the art," he enthusiastically exclaimed. I wanted one for decades and finally in 2019, purchased the Submariner model 114060. Iconic and the perfect "one watch" collection watch. There can only be one.
There is a smattering of proposed alternatives in the comment-section. But if you tried to make this video about any other watch, I imagine most of the comments would be: Sub?
If I said the Speedmaster was or Explorer or Seamaster, you're right, the Sub would be suggested many, many, many times 😆 Funny how that works, right? 🥃
I think I'd reduce it further. Simply the Oyster Perpetual. Pure core Rolex. Oyster case, screw down crown, chronometer tested accuracy. A pure perfect design that hasn't really changed since its' conception.
I totally agree....I´ve got the Sub 41 mm (no date) and the OP 116000 white 36 mm......I love them both but if I would be forced and allowed to keep only one......I would pick my OP, it´s simple perfection and way more versatile than the Sub, the OP really goes with everything
The Sub is the watch I've always wanted since I started owning watches. I finally bought a Sub at 52 years old. It is even better than I expected. I had a chance to buy a GMT, but I am sticking with the Sub.
An amazing achievement Kaina and thank you for sharing! I hope you make many, many fond memories with the sub over the years AND just where the snot out of it 😉
In answer to the title of this video. It would certainly be at least one of the greatest of all time. That is if it didn’t have that horrible cyclops thing on it.
What would you substitute it with? Top of my head I'd say the Speedmaster has had similar pull over the decades as that "defining piece". I'd be keen to know your thoughts 🥃
YES, The Rolex Submariner the Greatest Watch of All Time. Certainly when people think of Rolex they picture the Sub, even if they don't know its name. Many people when they think of just a watch, they think of the Sub, even if they don't know the name, Rolex.
I think it is the greatest too. Icon, utility, the mix of tool and dress design elements and particularly the dimensions. The only issue is just that, it’s so popular that it can be perceived as common and it has spawned countless imitators which dilutes its uniqueness even further. Top shelf as always mr guy. 🥃
My man!! There was a great comment saying that I was to say that the "Speedmaster, Explorer, Lange 1" whatever was the greatest, then I'd have hundreds of comments saying that the Sub is the greatest 😆 Funny how things work. But right next to it is the GMT (obviously) - It would still be the piece I'd chase... maybe in 20 years time... and you're right about the imitations. Like Levi's 501's, Ray Ban Wayfarers, you can't beat an original 🥃 Much love to you and the fam brother!
@@ID-Guy I was going to add that when you place it next to the gmt, the gmt particularly on jubilee is a much more interesting proposition while retaining the basic design and architecture of the sub. But I hesitated to say that because that doesn’t make the sub any less greater than what it is, it just makes the gmt more desirable I think. The sub has its place at the top no doubt about it
My Tudor BB58 Blue is totally a Rolex Submariner but without the brand name and cache that comes with being a "Rolex" It is truly a beautiful, useful, rugged tool. Yes the Submariner is probably the best watch of all time
It's incredible when you think about it longer and all the influence the watch has had over the decades, now trickling down to Tudor and the success of the BB58. Quite fantastic to say the least. Keep loving and enjoying your piece! 🥃
Owned an original BB58, and the new 124060. The Tudor is a lovely watch. But head to head, it isn’t remotely close. The BB feels/looks great until you hold and compare. Then it’s not the same at all.
The BB 58 is a nice watch. But, it is by no stretch of the imagination on the same level as a submariner. The sub is simply a better built watch in every conceivable way. There is a reason it comes from the same company and is three times the price of the Tudor.
Got my Sub Date new in 2008. Now that I’m retired it gets worn daily. It’s never been serviced and keeps to about +1 sec a day. It’s magic! It shows very minor wear and is still gorgeous. Best purchase I ever made. Wish I would have bought the GMT Master or two tone steel and Everose Yachtmaster 4yrs ago when they were available and more affordable.
There is going to be some discourse around the topic but we can’t deny how influential the Submariner has been in the landscape of Sports Watches and how the modern watch is seen today. Would there be another watch you’d substitute into this category?
(I’m thinking Datejust and Speedmaster will be up there) ;)
If you had to own a sub would it be the modern no date or date?
@@taa3062 Man, I'd put the Citizen Promaster up there too. I've been meaning to make a Citizen Diver video (they are the Diver's diver without question) And an OG G-shock? Who can deny it 🥃
@@apuraja If it was me, I'd go no-date with a Submariner but choose a Date for GMT (lining up better with their separate functions) But a simple diver without a date is just...chef's kiss 🥃
i assume no date :)
@@ID-Guy great topic that deserves to be revisited! The Sub’s legacy is much greater than any other brand, including Omega etc…. Doesn’t mean the watch is technically better by any mean, but its worldwide reach as an icon is second to none.
Similar to the Porsche 911… not the fastest, nor the most powerful car, and yet it has become the ultimate reference as a sports car.
As a musician, to me, the Submariner is eerily analogous to the Fender Stratocaster. Introduced bizarrely at the same time ('53 & '54), they are both so technologically groundbreaking, globally recognizable, and influential, that their shadow still looms just as large as it did when they were first introduced. The fact that these 70 year old designs are STILL being copied in one form another today speaks for itself. I love the Fifty Fathoms, but it's aesthetic design footprint is nowhere nearl as monumental as the Submariners. Great video! IDGuy will own a Sub one day...Facts LOL
And as a Strat owner, I can attest to this... The Martin "D" series of watches? 😉 Great analogy Floyd. 50's designs in general have such a special place in our world. It's unreal! 🥃
Good point! I have a strat '98 and a sea-dweller 2006, one of the last "classic" look subs, would not let go of them at any price.The "good old" days looks keep hanging on because they are still the best!@@ID-Guy
Just stepped over your comment realizing i never saw it that way, but the more i think about it i have to agree with you. Mister "slow hands" Blacky is not only colourwise close to the Sub. Rudimentary made, more a tool and workhorse, no fancy bold design. And in some way both are not technically complex at all. On one side the not very apealing folding clasp punched out of sheet metal on the other a cheap simple screw in wammy bar. Yes you can chose between alloi or ceramic bazzel like rosewood or marbel neck, but thats it and you are happy for the rest of your live. Over the years of course we needed some more bottom end served with humbuckers in the bridge and seadweller, a reverse headstock with the crown on the 9 o clock possition. Some guys feel like "Hulk" in "the summer of love" and ask for golden sparkling nitro finish matching the full golden bracelett. Now i see plenty of similarities between 2 of my favourite things/ 1962 strat and 1998 sub. And like with axes you dont own only one watch...so, what kind of watch would my goldtop les paul be? Stay tuned and winded! Peter
speak English next time
I bought a Submariner, 16800 in 1984 as a dive tool watch when serving in the military (tax-free overseas). I wore it as my only watch for two decades through thick and thin before selling it in 2005 for four times what I'd originally paid for it (after my wife discovered what it was worth). I regret selling it every day of my life since. I've never been able to replace it. Today, for the past four years I've worn a Tudor Pelagos every day and it has been brilliant... but not quite a Sub. I will attain another Submariner 16800 once the mortgage is done and the kids are all self-sufficient. I will take it to my grave, I will be buried with it.
So your wife wanted you to sell the sub?🤦♂️
Why a 16800 only ! There are all cool
This is one of the many reasons I won't sell my Sea Dweller
@@jeromef2001 Because mine was a 16800 and I wore it throughout the Gulf War and Balkans conflict. I dived with it all around the world and I realise now (too late) that it was a part of me.
@@penne9346 Newly married, we were strapped for cash and it helped raise the deposit on a mortgage. Our first child on the way... it had to go.
The Rolex Submariner and the Omega Speedmaster are the two greatest watches ever made.
I agree.
Yes!
Totally agree!!!
I first saw the sub in the Rolex shop in Zurich 1962 and never forgot it. I didn't need James Bond or Steve McQueen to convince me this was a truly iconic timepiece. In 1972 I was looking for a new watch and my first stop was the local Rolex store in Palo Alto, Ca. They just happen to have a 1966 Submariner ,5512, 4 line, chronograph that a guy was unable to make the final payments on. I wound up paying $150. for the watch and it has been my daily wear watch ever since. To me the design is right up there with the Mercedes Gullwing and P-51 Mustang, no other watch has ever come close.
This post is very well written, i admire your channel.
Thank you No. 9 (loved your appearance in the "White Album") - I actually can't believe how well it presented... taking such a cliche question but somehow it manages to sell it pretty well. Bizarre 😆
@@ID-Guy Haha that song is as controversial as the title of this post! I actually genuinely believe it is the most iconic watch of all time i bought it for the first time a few months ago and I’m glancing at it as I’m typing, this new version of it is just pure perfection I’m so glad they thinned those lugs it wears more elegant, long may the evolution continues!
I don’t think you’d lose a debate. Wearing my week old BB Pro (finally got The Call!) and the lineage is obvious. Submariner is the standard bearer in the dive category. Great video. Saw you’re over 14M views. 👍
Thank you Mark! And a massive congratulations, enjoy the snot out of the Pro!! Ah, sometimes these videos write themselves (very rarely) 😉
I have a Hulk. I’ve had other watches too of course. But I cannot imagine a greater all around watch. Whether it is its iconic status, its wearing comfort, its durability, its simple beauty, or investment value…what an amazing watch.
I've made so many crits about the Hulk over the years (mainly about the bezel) But that green dial... It's now reached classic status too which is insane to think about, right? Dig it and thank you for sharing! 🥃
@@ID-Guy Thanks- I had a pic of the Hulk on my desk for approx 8 years, and was going to be mine only after I reached a certain business goal. This was before all the hype or crazy prices. I just loved it from day1.
Divers are not versatile, look atrocious with a suit or anybother formal wear
@@M82RKY I don’t wear the with a suit or formal wear. Geesh.
I had many watches over the years, however I've sold all of them due to financial reasons but kept My Submariner. The Rolex Submariner is the only watch that gives me confidence and motivation and a reminder of the things I've accomplished and more to come. Definitely for me the best watch I've ever owned .
Man your story telling, presentation and research in incredible 👏!
The sub is one of my grails, maybe one day I’ll own one 👍🏼
Id get a tudor blackbay for now and get your name on the waiting list for a sub..
If you take a trip to Hong Kong, theres a much better chance of getting one as therebare literally hundreds of official Rolex Authorised dealer. If hard to believe but its actually true
Two streams of commentary for you:
Those legible dial markings of dot, dash, triangle (while unlikely meant as it) form as abstraction from the lume of the most traditional field watches: pips at the hours, double pips at 9, 3, & 6 if no small seconds, stacked pips flanked by additional pips at 12. Back to basics transcending to icon.
I think reference 1680 provides a double revolutionary moment in an otherwise iterative design. Of the tool watch aspects, object as a utility, adding the date complication. A full hybridization of watertight case, automatic movement from an OP, chronometer accuracy and elapsed timing bezel of a Turnograph, and date with magnifier ala Datejust.
& they also released a full yellow gold model. Chapter switch into full luxury goods.
I am supposed to be “retired” from the acquisition of new collection pieces. But for some odd reason, I really want a Sub date. If given the chance… I would jump at a Submariner. Why? It is simply sublime. Materials, design, build quality, legendary reputation, and sheer beauty. Nice video. You are killing me!
Take a trip to Hong Kong.
There are hundreds or Official Rolex ADs you have a great chance of gwtting one there
Greatest can be subjective; from the standpoint of being an almost universally recognized icon, probably yes.
For what you get for the money from a finishing, materials and movement point of view, there are objectively better watches on paper for similar money. This is exacerbated by the hype of the past 5 years and the astronomically obscene secondary market prices. So it depends.
Also worth recognizing that Rolex is just as much an advertising company as they are a watch company. They are an icon, no doubt.
Excellent points here AK, they are the masters in advertising and promoting their product (best in the industry I reckon) My main argument at the end of the day is thinking about how the design of the Submariner has influenced the watch industry at large over the decades. How many watches has the Sub inspired. But I agree, hopefully the video mentions that there are plenty of issues surrounding the hype and where it gets you 😉
As luxury watches are meant for; yes, it is one of the best as in fashion and a status symbol. There are a lot of watches that advance society and watches which achieved more, but as luxury watch are made for, Rolex Submariner is one of the greatest.
When you look at the field, dive and pilots watch they all share the same DNA. Simple dial with minimal text and a complimentary handset that just looks great and Rolex hit this on the first try and all they’ve done is gradually added features over the years and the design is timeless. This is why so many companies copy or take design hints to add to their respective models. But to say it’s the greatest? That’s subjective to the beholder.
Great video and very well put. One thing that does bother me about the whole discussion is that people seem to keep ignoring the significance of the datejust, and i suspect it's because, unlike the sub, it's not an investment piece. In my opinion, it has had a bigger influence on watch design than the sub. And if one wants a true daily watch with no dive bezel but of similar quality, then I propose the DJ41 oyster bracelet smooth bezel.
I’m going to respectfully disagree-I think I write on behalf of millions of watch fans who have coveted Datejusts for years, myself included. I can’t imagine anyone turning down a Datejust given the opportunity to own one, and a fluted-bezel 36 is for me a masterpiece! When it comes to watch-flipping and investment potential and all the noise about what Rolexes are “entry-level” watches, however, I can’t help but tune that noise out. Unless someone’s an avid collector, then sure, but let’s get real: It’s a Rolex, not a rung on a ladder! Whether it’s an Air-King or that hideous-looking rainbow Daytona-if you like it-wear it, appreciate it, and check the time on your wrist every day with tremendous pride and gratitude.
I just bought a 2015 sub date. Full set. Thing is in mint condition.
The greatest watch ever, maybe. The most iconic watch ever, quite possibly. Another great video 🙏👏🥃
Great point here Mark. There's some depth to these machines, no doubt (pun intended) 😉
@@ID-Guy 🤣
I do think it is a contender for the greatest of all time. I have always loved the circular indices and the rotating bezel. Plus its bracelet is one of the best at any price point. Hope to own one someday but I am in no rush.
For all the haters and lovers... the latest generation 124060 & 126610 are the greatest watches of all time because:
- First of it's kind heritage = iconic dial and case design that is purpose built to be a tool watch, that has been improved on for 69 years!
- A very high quality product = Rolex doesn't make bad watches. Full stop. Sub's are finished very well, keep great time, are attractive, tough, durable and hide their wear beautifully.
- Chromalight = best functional lumed dial made today. Incredibly bright & legible in low and no light.
- Glidelock = excellent bracelet adjustability and useful design. The adjustability range is awesome.
- Ceramic bezel = best bezel in the industry. The black ceramic is superb. It changes color from dark black to dark grey and titanium shades in certain lightings. The knurling for grip and bezel clicks for precise turning in and out of the water, with or without gloves, are perfect.
- Bezel pt. 2 = actual useful countdown 0-15 hashmarks and numerals to use as a timing device. Arguably more useful than a chronometer in most practical day to day use cases for timing everyday stuff.
- Oyster bracelet = Bank vault construction and durability, especially now that is has screws. What you actually want on a dive watch. Great width and taper. With the Oysterlock safety clasp as well, it's arguably one of the best bracelets made. The only thing missing that would make it perfect would be screwed-in, not traditional spring bars.
- Near perfect case shape & size = comfortable & wonderfully thin on the wrist. Now at 41mm it's def at the upper limit but the current lug design on the latest models wear much smaller than the 40 mm SuperCases of yesteryear. It wears and fits A LOT of wrists great.
- 300M water resistance = more than enough protection. People, it was good enough for Jacques Cousteau and his band of merry men. If your James Cameron go get a DeepSea.
- 70hrs of power reserve = this is a great amount of reserve to take off and set down on Friday, then put back on Monday without needing to adjust the time.
- A very nice dial = often completely overlooked and not celebrated but the white-gold markers, indices, hands and deep black dial are incredible. So legible at all angles and light levels.
- Wonderfully versatile = wear it with a business or a track suit. On bracelet or on strap. Take it to the office, the ocean or picnic on a Saturday. It's a one watch, do-it-all wonder.
- Reasonably priced at retail = it is an heirloom product, for a fair price. Period. I'm sorry that you don't already own one and that you can't buy one if you actually have the money to spend. Hey, I'm not happy that I can't buy other Rolex's that I want but life's not fair so quit your whinging! Just keep saving your money and keep begging an A.D. for the moment that you get the chance and then happily enjoy owning the World's greatest watch ever made 😉
- Cyclops = wart. I don't like it. You can't make me like it. But it's a part of the classic design. Legend says it is because Hans Wilsdorf wanted it there for his wife to be able to read the date on pre-Submariner models, first used in 1945 on a Datejust, and then used as a legally defensible, product differentiating feature with the Sub Date. I'm sure all the grey-hairs love the magnification on their Sub Dates. All kidding aside the Cyclops really does work well, even though I wish it wasn't there.
- BONUS: It is now a global currency = No matter where you find yourself on earth, having a Submariner on your wrist could save your life. It is a world currency and can be exchanged for cash or equivalent value at any time necessary. In fact I bet there would be more than a few takers right now if I offered mine for a fair and reasonable price at the exact same retail price I paid for it. And Heaven forbid... but if I had to get home from somewhere or handle a situation where I needed instant cash, I know my Submariner would be as good as gold, better in fact nowadays. Other watches are only as valuable as people "believe them to be" but a Rolex is measured by a different value structure the world over. No one in BFE knows what the heck a Journe, Moser, Gronefeld or MB&F is, but by God they know the Crown!
A few points:
1) the 50 Fathoms pre-dates the Submariner..
2) Rolex didn't invent the face layout/indices specification. That came from military specs for their watch of choice
3) Rolex don't always use the "toughest" materials. 904L ("Oyster spec") stainless steel is more prone to scratching than 316L (used in most other watches..). 904 is chosen because it polishes up a bit better. Extra bling factor.
There's no doubting that the "Sub" is an iconic watch but it's 'legendary' staus isn't borne from innovation and design. Rolex took inspiration from others and through luck/fortunate timing just happened to get good product placement for their product. The ongoing up-market advertising and limited availability via ADs just increased the desirability
The Submariner can do everything any other iconic watch can do.
And with the modern anti-magnetic, anti shock and glidelock, it is the true watch of a rugged hunk.
Got my 124060 a year ago from AD after waiting 18 months, it can be done! It’s perfect and for me there’s no going back from the adjustable-on -the-go bracelet
A Bold statement indeed and I can't think anyone else has actually said it which seems hard to believe. You're so right of course. Sitting there like the holy grail of dive watches to which every manufacturer's best efforts are judged. Whatever anyone thinks of it , sometimes when a design is just so right I think the job is done and it can only evolve. Push the basic core too far and the design is lost. An obvious example to me would be the 911 whose performance has got better and better over the years. However, in terms of aesthetics I have opened a whole new can of worms! Not had a chance to check out your new channel yet , for your thoughts on all things design. I'm sure it will do well.
Its like the Eames chair - get a copy, the original is not worth the money but is worth the design.
Love this Stu!! 😆🥃
Definitely greatest watch in its class and for daily wear I don’t choose anything other than a submariner as for greatest watch of all time?
I honestly can’t choose one.
Cheers ID
And I know you're always rocking one out there in the fields Jimmy 😉 It's a tough question to ask... I mean... the 1675? We could be at this all day 🥃
The greatest watch of all times is, in my book, the Oyster Perpetual. Every other Rolex is a derivation of that watch.
i don't know if is the Greatest Watch of All Time but for sure one of the most iconic ever
I think when you own a submariner you don't really need another watch
jyst bought one last weekend and its so beautifull!! very happy with it
Design and shape wise is it one of the best. I personally prefer the GMT Master, i think this is the best watch ever made.
For dive watches i think the Fifty Fathoms and Planet Ocean watches are cooler for summer.
Nice one again!
Great video and very informative.
Thank you Anthony! Really enjoyed putting this one together 🥃
I have two, but I also wear the GW 5000.
I too have a Submariner (Ref. 124060) and a Casio GW-5000 😎👍🏼
@@iBJanky Yes you can make a case for the DW 5600 being the greatest watch of all time
Personally, I strongly believe the greatest watch of all time is the Omega Speedmaster. To me, the title "the greatest" should be held by a watch that transcends watches. Yes, the Sub is an icon and always will be, it is probably the most recognisable watch, it was groundbreaking, it set a trend in the industry in terms of design, technology and all that.. But, you simply cannot compare the magnitude of things like being a status symbol, being groundbreaking, and so on, with the greatest accomplishment of mankind to date.
If you set "technology", "status symbols" and all of these superficial (dare I say) things aside, the Speedy transcends watchmaking and therefore is something so much more special than simply being an iconic design/status symbol/technological advancement.
Neither the Sub or the Speedy are the 'greatest'. This is subjective on many personal factors of function and design. They were designed for different purposes. The Speedy can't swim & the Sub can't measure distance over time. However, it is well known that the Sub has been worn into space but the Speedy hasn't been taken diving professionally. I have owned both watches and variations of them. i.e Moon watch, Flightmaster, Date Sub, No date Sub & Sea-Dweller. I sold all my Omegas & kept my 3 Rolex dive watches, as the Speedy & Flightmaster did not suit my lifestyle and the extra functionality of a chronograph wasn't necessary. The tachy was just a hindrance. How often do you use it? I live near the ocean spend more time on the beach than on a race track or in space, so the Speedy although having a great boys-own-adventure space-astronaut history, is just impractical for the common man. Additionally, I don't have any reason to believe that the Moon landing was real. All evidence points to a doctored film studio of the moon landing. But that's a story in itself. If you want to argue the point that the Speedy transcends human achievement & technical advancement, then perhaps it doesn't win in that category either. The title of technical innovation belongs to the Bulova Accutron. The first successful electric powered watch which was manufactured for maintaining accuracy under high temperature and velocity. That's why Bulova manufactured the timing and gauge instruments for the Apollo spacecraft. Everyone is fixated on the watch that the astronauts wore into space. What about the technology on the spacecraft itself?
@@oysterman962 Agreed - "the greatest" could be subjective on personal level. To me, "the greatest" should be one that goes beyond watchmaking - i.e. a watch linked to "the greatest" achievement of mankind to date. It seems like to you, "the greatest" is a watch that has enough water resistance since you live by the ocean - fair enough. There's no right or wrong answer here.
I never argued the Speedy transcends human achievement or technical achievement though - do not put words in my mouth. I argued it transcends watchmaking, i.e. it means much more than simply being a good watch, it means more than mere features like "water resistance", "120 click bezels" and so on, because of the historic event (to me, mankind's greatest) it was a part of. Is it the perfect watch? No. There is no perfect watches. Is it the greatest? To me - yes.
I owned the vintage Speedmaster MK2. It was only manufactured for 4 years. It's using the same movement as the moon watch but different case and price is much much cheaper. I also own the American Optical Original Pilot sunglasses worn by the Apollo astronauts. They have been making them for NASA since the 1950s. They are standard issue for all US Air Force & Naval Aviators until today. They look cool and last forever because they are made to military specifications. Take a look at old photos of Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin. You will see the sunglasses. Better than Ray Bans. If you own a Speedy you need these sunglasses.
@@terryl7749 Thanks for sharing Terry, very interesting! Quite the coincidence, as I've been looking for sunglasses lately and still haven't made up my mind on what to buy. Do you know the brand/model of those worn by Neil and Buzz?
Terrific review. Thank you.
My pleasure Steve and thank you for taking the time to watch the clip! 🥃
Rather reminds me of the Porsche 911. The modern iterations are more luxurious; but at their core, they still very much are useable everyday sports cars.
The 911 is the perfect analogy.
You argue your point well. I was particularly interested in the use of geometric shapes instead of numbers on the dial. I guess this really was an important innovation, because legibility, not just water tightness, underwater is fundamental.
Was this the first dive watch with a unidirectional bezel?
We'll, it's one of the best. I'd say the GMT Master II is a close second. And all of your reasons listed for why it is the best is all true. Great video by the way .
Great video, trying to get one but it seems demand is too high at the moment
The Rolex sub is simplicity and elegance.Silver and Black.
Interestingly enough,I have never considered this watch in my bucket list.😉
Give it time, these creep up on you 😉 But I get you if it's never been a watch you've considered, especially now with they Hype-Machine cranking them like crazy 🥃
The Rolex Submariner, the Seiko Skx and Seiko 6309 are the best overall dive watches!!
Cliche, but I think the 6105 series set Seiko on that path to greatness (obviously) What a standout that watch was... Love the turtle. I've got to add one 🥃
@@ID-Guy you have got that right, I actually own the 1970 Seiko 6105 Proof/proof....which I think they only made for 3 months.....then they changed to Resist on Dial and caseback....
Seiko 6105 absolutely
I’m on my third iteration of the Submariner (the 114060. I just love the super case) and I’m lucky enough to own the current Seamaster diver 300 and also a Tudor black bay. They are all great watches but the ‘sub’ is the pick of the bunch and I wear it everywhere. Nice Video.
I got my submariner Starbucks for my 62 birthday and told my wife to give it to my first grandchild if I’m not around to give it myself. I have bought all my kids and wife Rolex watches as they requested. None asked for a sub. The iconic day just was the most requested. Five down one to go
This the datejust and the explorer near hit the peak of steel sports watches, but just like Rolls-Royce with cars watches that have been released more recently now equal them.
YES
Gone off Rolex, but without a doubt it's the most recognised watch on the planet. Plus I have a Black Bay 58 which lets face it, is a copy of a vintage Submariner.
The submariner is pure class with out the cyclops wort true classic 🔥👌
The Sea-Dwellers nailed it back in the day... Ah, a Double Red 1665 🔥
Nail on the head… again. Form and function merge seamlessly together in this piece of art. It is objectively beautiful, yet purpose driven… at least originally. The two tone clearly represents a departure from the tool watch history of the watch- but is a strangely beautiful timepiece. However, the original is at home in all situations, whether on a beach or in a tuxedo. The ultimate one watch collection. However, who could make due with only one watch….
GOAT? Simple answer. Yes! But you know what they say about opinions and posterior orifices...
I was so ready to use GOAT on the thumbnail... but thought most wouldn't get it! And hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day 😆
16610 is the last Submariner that looked elegant to me.
The 14060 (non-date) outlasted the 16610 (date) for some years and to me that is the last classic, elegant Sub. A real Sub has to be without the date - as it never had a date for the first 15 years anyway.
@@misterbianco6202 I had a no-date 14060 and it felt flat and small. The dial is 1mm smaller than the date version and the bracelet didn't feel good. Sure the lines are perfect but I think the cyclops is the contemporary Rolex classic look now.
@@detonator2112 Well, I had both watches as well and kept the 14060 for life. The size in my eyes is just perfect, the two-line dial without the date so balanced and beautiful and the bracelet may not be as good as the newer ones, but it did the job for generations without a fault and is much more comfortable. And quite some comparisons of the two models here on YT come to the same conclusion. Also I think the "real" Sub without the date is still loved by may even to the curent six-digit line-up. But all that comes to personal preference, of course :)
The watch Carries the perfect brand that many sees to abnormal . Because Submariner watches ain’t ordinary
Greatest watch of all time is subjective to the wearer. There are dive watches out there that have more history and longer pedigree than the Rolex Submariner.
Blancpain FF is a killer. I think what I wanted to hammer home most with this clip was the "influence" the Sub has had on the landscape of what we see as professional sports watches today (and how many designs exist because of it) 😉
@@ID-Guy you could say the same about the “Dirty Dozen” field watches from WW2.
I dont own one but I think that the sub is probably THE watch that is mandatory in any collection
They were the premier tool watch back in the day. They were also much cheaper. During the Vietnam era, many soldiers bought them. Sadly though, the money-men took charge of the brand. Now they are considerably overpriced and the buyers have to deal with artificial scarcity. This has turned me off. I won't buy one. Hopefully some day, the original ethos will return.
It is sad that with popularity comes all the other baggage. And like you, I'll probably wait 12 - 20 years before getting one becomes a reality 😆
You call the Sub 'overpriced'. Lol. If you can buy it at MSRP and sell it years later for double the money, how much did it cost?
@@chrisrussell63 I hope you didn't buy one within the past two years.
In 100 year if there is still Wikipedia and someone were to look up what a wristwatch was, or maybe is, there will be a photo of a Rolex Sub, or should be. I remember in 1989 standing at the Rolex AD counter with with a Rolex Sub on my wrist thinking about buying it. $2,500 back then. But I'd just bought a house and new car so it wasn't to be. But I sort of grew out of the Rolex Sub when I became a watch enthusiast. Many other Rolex's have adorned my wrist but not a Sub. Maybe some day?
The most iconic, desired and imitated timepiece ever produced. There is no equal. There is no SUBstitute. Period.
Answer: YES.
The design of the Submariner is the greatest of all time. There are many homages that are superior to it at a fraction of the price. It's the most iconic and overly discussed watch that isn't superior in any way, but people foolishly believe it is.
Wrong, sorry. What is a watch for? To tell time? No mechanical watch does that better than a Rolex. Beyond that, you can take the Sub down in the water a thousand feet. Throw it into the dishwasher to clean it. It won't need servicing for at least 10 years. Nothing but another Rolex can equal it in any of those categories.
If you believe what you think about Rolex, you are totally brainwashed
Been using No date submariners for past 20 years , now I got a 2023 with date and really miss my 2021 No date 😅
You need the date version, because otherwise you wouldn't know the date.
I assume that you meant "the influence...[]...cannot be overstated.". If something cannot be understated then it is because it is of so little importance or weight that understating it is simply impossible. You might also have meant "cannot be underestimated" but "cannot be understated" would a crime along the lines of the american tendency to say "I could care less".
As a kid with an age of more or less 6 years i saw the submarine in a shopping window. 31 years later i bought one and im so happy and proud to own my Sub Date 126610LN 🫶
My wife bought my Submariner in 2009 shortly before my first combat deployment to Afghanistan. My Sub accompanied me on five more deployments to Asia and the Middle East and at on least 30 static line parachute jumps. Today, years after my 30 year military career ended, it is still my daily wear.
dont forget the domestic battles you need to put at home too - tee hee
I love this. Is it beat up and worn in? Or have you had it polished etc?
This is why I chose this as my “one and done” watch, years ago. Every time I get an itch for another watch, I just look down at my wrist. It’s a family member.
I tried this, but I can't wear a Rolex everyday in London
@@djdc81 That’s sad, it’s the reason why I would choose a Speedmaster over the sub.
@@15harry1561 I get it, you won't get stabbed for a Speedmaster, but it's also an entirely inferior watch. I couldn't be worried about a watch every time I was on the beach / pool / shower
@@djdc81 Insurance isn't that expensive. Most people won't notice it anyway. Pretty sure a lot of the city boys n girls are walking round with watches 50-100k+
@@1physics I have all my watches insured (Inc. the Rolex) - it is expensive. I live in the City, most folk do not just walk around with £50 - £100k watches, that make believe bollocks is for rap videos
My dad bought a 5513 on layaway in 1968. He paid $20 a month for a year. He gave that watch to me in 1988 for my birthday. I still wear it regularly and it still keeps great time. I plan to give it to my son one day. After all these years, I still find myself staring at it, admiring the matte black dial, creamy geometric tritium lume plots and patina matching Mercedes hands. It’s an amazing watch that gets better looking with age.
I would love to see a good picture of that. Has it been featured on this channel?
thats is GOOD - i like this comment
Few things in life are perfect and built to be used for a lifetime . I lusted after a Submariner from the first time I saw one. I tried on many, but real life priorities went first. I looked at other brands but none had the combination of heritage, engineering, toughness and elegance. Then 35 years after first seeing one, on my anniversary, one appeared out of the vault at my local AD. My wife looked at me and said “ there you are, you’ve waited long enough”.
We are retired but still love the ocean. We both surf, and I do a little sport diving so the watch definitely gets wet.
Our son is a U.S. Navy Rescue Swimmer, and someday my Rolex Submariner will be his. ( He has already earned it).
Was it worth the wait? Absolutely!
Excellent video!
Some 20th Century designs just 'Work', like Converse Chuck Taylor's. They defy time and endure...
Stratocasters, Les Pauls, Ray Bans. I agree, these 50's motifs were just fire. Great point Red 🔥
I can afford Chuck Taylor not Rolex , Thank God something's are still relatively cheap.
Another fantastic video. I love your approach to covering watches by discussing the history and design elements and the importance of the decisions made. Keep up the amazing work man.
Man, thank you. It means so much that people can take time out of their day to hop onto these clips AND the fact that I've seen your videos in the past before!! I swear you helped sell me with the Shure that I'm using... Direct USB plug-in was a no-brainer for me 😉🥃
@@ID-Guy Bandrew’s the best!!
@@ID-Guy well sir it sounds fantastic on your voice.
My 7928 followed me for 2 tours in Nam... Today I still wear it!
Holy smokes that's incredible... The 7928's reputation is simply amazing (arguably better than the later snowflakes?) Thank you for sharing this with me 🥃
in 1965 the 7928 cost $175 and the 5513 $190... this proves that the crown was only a whim for the playboys. the 🌷 has always been the replacement actor, the one who does the stunts.
That’s so impressive!
You know… I’m in such a weird spot right now! I was just at the AD and saw a couple of Submariners in the display case… and they just weren’t doing anything for me! 🙈🤷🏻♀️ Idk! I think pretty soon, with the next generation, they will be seen as pretty old man watches. 🙈 who knows!
In our line of work they definitely get repetitive! Plus there are so many more dynamic models out there for us to experiment with. Ah, once the Apple Watch is in full-swing, I bet these mechanical machines will be like the combustion engine Britt 😉
Same with me. Saw a day date up close once and it just never sparked my enthusiasm. But after seeing a JLC master Compressor, that sparked me well.
You should get out more Britt and meet some of the people I know that have Submariners.
The Rolex Sub is iconic thanks to Bond 007 Connery in Dr. No BUT the Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms is more significant!
The FF definitely has some pull in this field (innovation wise for sure) 🥃 My thinking is more around the "influence" the Sub has. If we think of the design has remained virtually unchanged for 70 years (and all the watches and brands its design has influenced over the decades)
A great video IDGuy, sometimes when a design is right evolution and not revolution is they key. New materials, better bracelets, a tweak or two to the shape and movement improvements. For sure my 124060 no date is very well made (the bezel action is sublime), accurate, modern but also retro at the same time if that makes any sense. Oh, and I do wear it as part of the rotation so it does have some wear marks. And I'm more than OK with that. For now it just might be the greatest watch of all time.
Thank you for sharing this Anthony. It's interesting how more brands aren't steadfast in their ways when it comes to keeping their designs the same and not changing. Maybe that's the secret? Lay down the law and reinforce how great it is 😆🥃
@@ID-Guy of course Rolex has the ultimate First Mover/Most Desired Advantage. If other sit on a design too long their success may vary…
@@WestCoastAce27 it doesn’t have first mover advantage, the Fifthy Fathoms is the template which all others followed, look at the dial then tell me I’m wrong. The sub was released several months after the Fifty.
Yes, proven, “earned,” and copied. The Rolex Submariner is truly the “greatest watch of all time.”
and copied blancpain...
@@algorithm007ify Surely not! All the "ingredients" of the Submariner can be found in other Rolex made watches of the 30s long before the Fifty Fathoms ever existed.
The greatest watch is the one on your wrist!
A great principal to live by Pooh. It definitely shapes a better class of enthusiast in many ways 🥃
@@ID-Guy Yep. We cannot all afford say a Rolex, PP or AP, but the watch on my wrist is the best watch for me at that moment, be it my Hamilton, Tudor, or Omega, or a G-Shock.
@@alwayspooh1588 Well said. Totally agree
Do i only wear Levi's 501? Yes.
Are there better jeans out there? Maybe, but i don't care.
Though i don't own a sub and don't have the inkling either, i know the Platonic ideal of watch when I see it. If you wear a Sub and for whatever reason, you won't hear a word of criticism from me. Ask a 7yo kid to draw a watch and it won't look like a Tank or a Calatrava. Nice edition IDG (and suitably clickbaity too...your channel deserves more eyeballs😁👍)
Do I currently own 6 pairs of Levi's 501's in different colours? Yes... enough said 😆 Thanks for this Mark 🥃
@@ID-Guy Hah! KBO, sir.
Greatest watch is really subjective. I will say the submariner is greatest watch Rolex makes. There is a debate that the Apple Watch is the greatest bringing super computers on people wrist or the Seiko Astron bringing affordable quartz accurate time keeping to the masses. There even a debate that the Omega speedmaster is the greatest watch among the Swiss luxury watches which was the only watch which was tested by NASA and passed which Rolex was also tested. The Speedmaster went to the moon and saved three astronauts lives. I will say Submariner is greatest in popularity and a status symbol.
Superb points here Alex. Apple watch in its field has a lot of claim as does the Speedy. It blows my mind how the Sub has influenced so much of the modern watch space all these decades later. Quite surreal to say the least 🥃
Too me it is the most versatile watch ever made. There is a reason why it was the original bond watch. It goes from being tough and rugged to classy and elegant with ease. It is one of the only true tool watches that can be worn with a suit or even a black tie. Between it's accuracy, durability, finishing and slim 12m case it is a watch that looks great and fits any occasion. If I could only have one watch in my collection, while it may not be the best expression of my unique style, it would be hard to not pick the black bezel sub.
And its surreal to see how this design has translated into so many other pieces over the years. It's simple influence has made such an impact in the watch world. I still can't quite get over how they did it. Great points here Ricky 🥃
Hans wilsdorf made a great dive tool watch but I think 🤔 he’d be rolling in his grave if he knew the dive bezel was used primarily for timing parking meters or grilling steak 🥩!
Let alone the unspeakable things too 😆 Classic. Hope you're well Underachieving!
I think it can definitely be said that it's the most iconic watch, but I don't know about greatest. As far as technical specifications, price, and to a lesser extent it's history, it's incredibly subjective to say it's the greatest watch ever.
I believe it is the most popular and iconic watch in the last 50 years, but I don't believe it is the most ground breaking and highest quality watch of all time. There have been radical innovations in watches over the past 300 years that changed the whole industry.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”. Let's say there has never been a more imitated watch. Need there be more said?
...Well, I will say a just little more.. no matter how much I try, I still come back to a submariner design in my watch purchases in one form or another. There's no debate for me.. I really like the design.
This watch would have saved me so much money if I owned it as my first watch.
Why Hodinkee hasn't offered you an editorial position yet I'll never know.
I'm not hip enough, man... c'man 😉 (Flattering BB, very flattering)
Thanks for the video! Perfect timing I think contributed to the legendary status of the Rolex Sub:
- The Fifties and Sixties saw the rise in popularity for adventures and discoveries: Everest, Space, and Oceans fascinated the greater public
- Rolex was not yet perceived as a “luxury” brand, but as a watch brand for life, because of its robustness and quality.
- The Sub was the ultimate combination of the above. It became the best symbol for an entire generation keen to be part of this world of adventure and discoveries.
- The fact it was built for professionals and used by the very best of them gave the Sub a credibility second to none.
The rest is history…..
Totally agree, i see alot of Rolex haters in the past 2-3 years mainly because they cant obtain one. But we all know the Rolex brand will always be om top and the Sub will always be the benchmark!
Great video as always. I have nothing against Rolex or their designs. But I just can't digest those Mercedes hands. I like the Tudor better, or homages from other brands using different handsets.
Most important, iconic, and influential?
Of course! Even haters dont deny this self-evident fact.
Best watch ever overall? Not even close! So many other watches out there outclass it from a performance and aesthetic standpoint.
That said... I still want one, though if I had to be nitpicky about it, I'd want a 2-Line Ref. 6538 with an original no-hatch bezel. I'm sure they are impossible to find in the wild, and would go for OBSCENE amounts of money if one still existed intact and in reasonable condition, but that's my ultimate grail watch; It was the one that started the "gotta have that cool watch" trend and is the one that inspired so many of us to pursue this hobby in the first place, and for that reason alone, I shall lust after and covet it until my dying breath.
It's an oddity that I think we'll always question. Why do we feel so compelled to own one? Just image they were able to give us an incarnation of the 6538... Suggestion! Find a BB58 Gilt and get a watchmaker to fit it with aftermarket gilt Merc hands. It looks unreal man... simply unreal... I'm playing with the idea myself 😉
In my opinion the Rolex is absolutely iconic, but unfortunately that makes them overhyped, had to get a hold of and overpriced in the second hand market. It’s the reason I bought both a seamaster 300 and a black bay instead!
Wow this is FREAKY!
I picked up a New Submariner Date on Wednesday.
I know. Kidding... or am I? 😆 Massive congratulations Stevie!! Enjoy the honeymoon brother 🥃
In 1982, my sisters boyfriend was a U.S. Marine Security Guard working at an American Embassy overseas. He dropped by the house and I noticed a gorgeous new watch on his wrist. I asked hime what it was. "Rolex Submariner! State of the art," he enthusiastically exclaimed. I wanted one for decades and finally in 2019, purchased the Submariner model 114060. Iconic and the perfect "one watch" collection watch. There can only be one.
There is a smattering of proposed alternatives in the comment-section. But if you tried to make this video about any other watch, I imagine most of the comments would be: Sub?
If I said the Speedmaster was or Explorer or Seamaster, you're right, the Sub would be suggested many, many, many times 😆 Funny how that works, right? 🥃
I think I'd reduce it further. Simply the Oyster Perpetual. Pure core Rolex. Oyster case, screw down crown, chronometer tested accuracy. A pure perfect design that hasn't really changed since its' conception.
The oyster case has done something unlike any other watch that came before it. It's surreal to think about its greater impact! Great shout Conor 🥃
I totally agree....I´ve got the Sub 41 mm (no date) and the OP 116000 white 36 mm......I love them both but if I would be forced and allowed to keep only one......I would pick my OP, it´s simple perfection and way more versatile than the Sub, the OP really goes with everything
Recently acquired CW Sealander. Minimalism. Utility. Finish. Comfort. Price. Result? Desire for OP quenched. The Sealander is outstanding.
The Sub is the watch I've always wanted since I started owning watches. I finally bought a Sub at 52 years old. It is even better than I expected. I had a chance to buy a GMT, but I am sticking with the Sub.
An amazing achievement Kaina and thank you for sharing! I hope you make many, many fond memories with the sub over the years AND just where the snot out of it 😉
Get the gmt, hav them both, its a gr8 piece when traveling different time zones
In answer to the title of this video. It would certainly be at least one of the greatest of all time. That is if it didn’t have that horrible cyclops thing on it.
No
What would you substitute it with? Top of my head I'd say the Speedmaster has had similar pull over the decades as that "defining piece". I'd be keen to know your thoughts 🥃
YES, The Rolex Submariner the Greatest Watch of All Time. Certainly when people think of Rolex they picture the Sub, even if they don't know its name.
Many people when they think of just a watch, they think of the Sub, even if they don't know the name, Rolex.
Crazy how a single design can come to define a brand and influence an entire industry... I still can't wrap my head around how it's managed to do it 🥃
I think it is the greatest too. Icon, utility, the mix of tool and dress design elements and particularly the dimensions. The only issue is just that, it’s so popular that it can be perceived as common and it has spawned countless imitators which dilutes its uniqueness even further. Top shelf as always mr guy. 🥃
My man!! There was a great comment saying that I was to say that the "Speedmaster, Explorer, Lange 1" whatever was the greatest, then I'd have hundreds of comments saying that the Sub is the greatest 😆 Funny how things work. But right next to it is the GMT (obviously) - It would still be the piece I'd chase... maybe in 20 years time... and you're right about the imitations. Like Levi's 501's, Ray Ban Wayfarers, you can't beat an original 🥃 Much love to you and the fam brother!
@@ID-Guy I was going to add that when you place it next to the gmt, the gmt particularly on jubilee is a much more interesting proposition while retaining the basic design and architecture of the sub. But I hesitated to say that because that doesn’t make the sub any less greater than what it is, it just makes the gmt more desirable I think. The sub has its place at the top no doubt about it
My Tudor BB58 Blue is totally a Rolex Submariner but without the brand name and cache that comes with being a "Rolex" It is truly a beautiful, useful, rugged tool.
Yes the Submariner is probably the best watch of all time
It's incredible when you think about it longer and all the influence the watch has had over the decades, now trickling down to Tudor and the success of the BB58. Quite fantastic to say the least. Keep loving and enjoying your piece! 🥃
Owned an original BB58, and the new 124060.
The Tudor is a lovely watch. But head to head, it isn’t remotely close. The BB feels/looks great until you hold and compare. Then it’s not the same at all.
The BB 58 is a nice watch. But, it is by no stretch of the imagination on the same level as a submariner. The sub is simply a better built watch in every conceivable way. There is a reason it comes from the same company and is three times the price of the Tudor.
I have both the BB58 and the 126610. Be proud of your Tudor. I am, it more than holds its own against my sub.
@@Greg-WBM 124060 is bling bling mass produced faux luxury..not a real tool watch with all that reflection.. Hard to read the time in many situations.
A great "Tool" watch that is too expensive to be used as a Tool watch. (An air-diver working in a harbour in Asia could probably afford a G-shock)
Absolutely love my 2018 SubC no date
I first Rolex
My everyday
On my wrist now
And I STILL smile
Honestly they should bring back the turnograph imo
Man, I agree. Such a simple charmer. Maybe Tudor could do some magic? 🥃
Got my Sub Date new in 2008. Now that I’m retired it gets worn daily. It’s never been serviced and keeps to about +1 sec a day. It’s magic! It shows very minor wear and is still gorgeous. Best purchase I ever made. Wish I would have bought the GMT Master or two tone steel and Everose Yachtmaster 4yrs ago when they were available and more affordable.