Impressed me with the flight. I appreciate you pointing out that this is not an ideal broadhead for everyone--but for crossbows and those pulling enough weight, should be a great head.
Very impressed with the flight and accuracy. I actually went "whoa" when the broadhead centered the bullseye. Maybe QAD is on to something with their "blade over shaft" design. Thank you for the excellent test. Give Bishop Archery a bit of constructive flak for their sharpness score. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comment. I was able to sharpen these heads and get them quite a bit sharper than they are out of the package. It’s really easy with that 60° bevel- you just lay flat and stroke away.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thank you for the feedback. An accurate broadhead of that size... that is sharp too - think of the humane harvests it will provide. One suggestion I have for your tests - a long range shot (60+) from your crossbow or a shooting machine. Some of the bigger heads really trail off at the longer distances. Thank you again for the feedback.
Remember, qad wasn't the first to design the blade over shafts design, appears to me they copied the hoyt/easton "chuck it", as I had those nearly 40 years ago...
WHAT!!! I don't think I've ever seen any broadhead get a bullseye on your testing. I thought it was going to be like 2 inches off.....that was AMAZING!! HOW???
Honestly, I thought it was gonna be way off as well. It was shocking. There have been some others that have gotten it. But for this wide of a cut, I was shocked. Especially out of the crossbow. I also shot it out of my combo and it was just as accurate. Pretty cool.
Right? I could not believe the flight. After I shot it with my crossbow, I screwed it onto a regular arrow and shot it through my compound bow and it was dead on.
John, not to nitpick, but the second sharpness test you said it took an additional 11 grams of force to cut the wire. The first test was 545, and the second test was 546. Just pointing that out.
I bought some a month ago, they are huge. My setup is somewhat light compared to most (60lb, 26.5", 460 grain arrow), but ive never had penetration issues with any fixed head. Im sure itll blow through deer no problem.
@LuskArcheryAdventures yes it is, I'd say it's borderline for this head. I'll test this fall and see how it goes. Also might change the bevel to around 40 degrees to become sharper and maybe help with penetration.
@@djw195I’ve bought some as well but my setups 550 grains at 30” draw and 80lbs. I’m coming from a mechanical so hoping to get them tuned it for this next season
I've done it. If you wonder whether or not I've tested a head, just go to the TH-cam search bar and enter: LUSK + name of the head. If I've tested it, it will come up.
For that type of blade thickness maybe a rubber band test is more realistic. Because a thin blade when dull will always cut better then a thick sharp blade. Any thoughts?
Yeah, a 60 degree bevel angle will only get so sharp. But I was able to easily sharpen these and get them a lot sharper than they were out of the package.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures So Bishop didn't do a good job on sharpening? Maybe they should disclose that. All of guys were turned off by the dullness in the comments.
It is pretty steep. But that’s what helps to fly so well also. Everything is a trade-off and brought a design. And if you generate enough momentum, the blade angle is no problem. So many mechanicals actually have a similar blade angle.
I know you can’t sharpen every head for every test but a dull vs sharp video with a select few heads (including this one please) would be interesting, just to see how big or little of a difference it makes in penetration on the gel and cardboard would be cool
I’ve done that quite a few times. It makes zero difference in penetration. I’ve even dulled a head with a steel file till it was like a butter knife. It penetrated almost exactly the same as a razor sharp one. Penetration is more “punch” based than people realize, due to the high speed of the arrow.
I’d like to get back to flight forgiveness with a compound just because every broad head I throw on a cross bow seems to fly perfect and not the same as the compound which I feel most of the audience is looking for maybe you could do both ?
Well that's not the case for me. I can see the same variations in flight with a crossbow and with a compound, when testing any broadhead. I did shoot this head out of a compound bow as well.
Contact archery md3 is my favorite broadhead and is a little tougher because of the blade angle. I have a high energy setup because of 31” draw length and 70+# setup. This bishop is intriguing. I would buy a pack of 3 to try it out but not a 12 pack. It’s a shame they don’t sell a normal pack size.
I’m new to archery so forgive me if this sounds dumb. But, how much momentum would you think/suggest for this guy ? I’m at 31” draw and 60lbs currently being new shooter. Will be at 70 come the season…
With that draw length and 70 pounds you would be in good shape- especially if you had a heavier arrow, like 500 grains or more. That would generate a lot of momentum. Heavier, arrows, conserve momentum, more than lighter arrows.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures oh, i see quite a bit of difference in 100gr vs 125gr field point at 30 yards from a bench rest. i had to make 115gr field point (with a grinder and a 125gr field point) to match the flight of my 100gr broadheads perfectly.
That's a crazy head design. The angle of the blades is so wide that penetration is very low and that makes me wonder how well it will do on game with different weight/ speed bows. It would be interesting to see if making it more sharp say in the 250 class would allow it to penetrate even just a little better.
i just saw some canadian prices on broadheads. anihilator and beast are $100 a piece. why on earth are we supporting the insane prices on everything these days. archery has gotten out of control. $4000 crossbows, $100 broadheads, and it's the consumers driving it, because they can't wait to buy the 'latest, greatest' every year. youtube also pushes it, with all the channels hyping the new products. it's nuts.
@ I tell you the truth their website is very hard to navigate. They should update the website, especially when they are selling expensive stuff like this
I bought a dozen of these a month ago and Im scared to use them. I have a heavy arrow and powerful bow but it seems to take a ton to get these to penetrate. I'll test one on a doe next year. They are super solid maybe everything i thought about broadheads isnt exactly true.
"It lost no sharpness after the concrete test."lol. I'd shoot this all day long at whitetail with a high energy setup. 70 lbs and a 30-inch draw, any fixed is likely going through.
I’ve talked with him quite a bit on these heads. He is just completely adamant that you do not need to nor even should sharpen these any more than they are. It’s all about “edge bevel integrity” and that you don’t need a shaving razor to make an animal bleed. I need to work with them more to change the conventional paradigm on broadhead efficiency that much: Large, dull, obtuse, blunt = better broadhead? 🤔
Well, in terms of penetration, sharpness makes a lot less different than people realize. I’ve tested extremely dull Broadheads against the same model that is razor sharp. And the penetration tests are almost identical. Due to the high speed of the arrow, penetration is often more about punching than it is slicing; most people don’t understand that. But if the edge of the Broadhead gets chattered, that’s when penetration is impeded. That’s what Bishop is trying to explain.
I don't know I have mixed thoughts I'd honestly have to see some footage on a animal blood trail pass threw all that good stuff but non the less I think it will definitely do so.e damage
Not a three blade fan, but it is a fixed head and fixed is still a thousand times better than a mechanical. Where the hell did all of Bishop's single bevels go? The only ones I see left are the 600 grainers. Why would they get rid of heads they are best known for?
No, it was definitely machined. You’re referring to the coding. That plating is to provide corrosion resistance and it’s what makes it look like it was cast or something. I sharpened three of them on diamond plates and got them much much sharper than they came out of the package. Bishop a one-man show; they don’t have time to sharpen each head due to the overall volume. But they’re very easy to sharpen.
Not only do they come in a 12 pack but I called and just let him know I had broken one and he told me when I broke them I could send them back and get a brand new one
How can they put out such a dull broadhead. That's almost an insult. Also, it has a cast metal look to it. Maybe it's a coating of sorts, but it doesn't have the nice CNC finish you find on other high-end single piece broadheas. Its like shooting a butter knife at something. I cant get over the dullness. Never mind that you have to buy 12 of them minimum. Unbelievable.
It is machined. But then that coating is what you’re referring to- to prevent corrosion. They do not come as sharp as they can be made to be. I just took about 15 minutes and got three of them much much sharper than they were out of the package.
@LuskArcheryAdventures I'm sure that any amount of time spent sharpening them at all would make them sharper than the way they came because they probably couldn't get any worse. Bishop is known for its high-end and attention to detail. This seems low for them. Thank you for everything you do, Lusk. I do appreciate your videos greatly.
Well, it is not a broadhead for every set up, that’s for sure. But that’s the case with a lot of different broadheads. With enough momentum this is a cold blooded killer.
I could be wrong but I thing he shoots this out of his trad bow does he not? We need to see some results on critters cause if we can have fixed blade reliability with mechanical diameters and flight sheesh hard to beat.
First thoughts- penetration not great, heavier arrow 500+ grains, 70# draw weight and a very well tuned setup. It looks like a casting product. Not impressed with the lack of sharpness. Not sure of the niche this head would fill in the broad head world? Lower draw weight hunters should stay away from this one I’m thinking.
It is 100% machine. The coding on it is what makes it look like it’s cast. They just wanted to provide a corrosion resistance to their tool steel. I sharpened three of them the other day, after I finish the video. I was impressed with how easy it was to get that much much sharper.
Well, like I said, it’s all a function of your momentum. Out of a lighter set up, you’re correct. But out of a heavier set up, or a crossbow, they are perfect.
Check out bishops videos on the product. I thought I saw him using them on his trad bow with incredible results. Be curious to see some real world experiences.
Looks like a great head. Really impressed with the flight especially for how big a cut it makes
Right? I was surprised.
Impressed me with the flight. I appreciate you pointing out that this is not an ideal broadhead for everyone--but for crossbows and those pulling enough weight, should be a great head.
Yes indeed.
Great video John
Thank you!
You do a great job
Thanks Robert :)
Very impressed with the flight and accuracy. I actually went "whoa" when the broadhead centered the bullseye. Maybe QAD is on to something with their "blade over shaft" design. Thank you for the excellent test. Give Bishop Archery a bit of constructive flak for their sharpness score. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comment. I was able to sharpen these heads and get them quite a bit sharper than they are out of the package. It’s really easy with that 60° bevel- you just lay flat and stroke away.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thank you for the feedback. An accurate broadhead of that size... that is sharp too - think of the humane harvests it will provide. One suggestion I have for your tests - a long range shot (60+) from your crossbow or a shooting machine. Some of the bigger heads really trail off at the longer distances. Thank you again for the feedback.
Remember, qad wasn't the first to design the blade over shafts design, appears to me they copied the hoyt/easton "chuck it", as I had those nearly 40 years ago...
@@Night-le9ys Great point. I started hunting with bow and arrow around 40-years ago but didn't remember that particular head.
Great video
Thanks!
Awesome Bishop broadhead John!
Thanks for watching!
WHAT!!! I don't think I've ever seen any broadhead get a bullseye on your testing. I thought it was going to be like 2 inches off.....that was AMAZING!! HOW???
Honestly, I thought it was gonna be way off as well. It was shocking. There have been some others that have gotten it. But for this wide of a cut, I was shocked. Especially out of the crossbow. I also shot it out of my combo and it was just as accurate. Pretty cool.
Cool head ! Probably be a great black bear broadhead !
Right?!
John they are on to something here with the blade design and the flight was incredible! I would use it!!
Right? I could not believe the flight. After I shot it with my crossbow, I screwed it onto a regular arrow and shot it through my compound bow and it was dead on.
@LuskArcheryAdventures Wow! Impressive! I don't see why some hated on it!
John, not to nitpick, but the second sharpness test you said it took an additional 11 grams of force to cut the wire. The first test was 545, and the second test was 546. Just pointing that out.
Oh thanks for catching that. Dang it. I test each head for sharpness so many times, sometimes I put the wrong video clip in.
Yeah 1 grain more is incredible edge retention. Even though the initial sharpness was trash. 😅😅 just sharpen it up before use and I would use it 100%
I bought some a month ago, they are huge. My setup is somewhat light compared to most (60lb, 26.5", 460 grain arrow), but ive never had penetration issues with any fixed head. Im sure itll blow through deer no problem.
That is a fairly light set up for this broadhead. But if you stay away from the shoulder, you should be fine.
@LuskArcheryAdventures yes it is, I'd say it's borderline for this head. I'll test this fall and see how it goes. Also might change the bevel to around 40 degrees to become sharper and maybe help with penetration.
@@djw195I’ve bought some as well but my setups 550 grains at 30” draw and 80lbs. I’m coming from a mechanical so hoping to get them tuned it for this next season
Those interuptions look like a magnus buzzcut knockoff
No, Magnus uses serrations. This is a little bit different than that.
Agree a great head!!!
Michael Herrell
Thanks Michael.
I would love to see you do the magnus single bevel broadheads
Hes done it
I've done it. If you wonder whether or not I've tested a head, just go to the TH-cam search bar and enter: LUSK + name of the head. If I've tested it, it will come up.
I think that would be a great crossbow head.
Yes indeed.
Yep
For that type of blade thickness maybe a rubber band test is more realistic. Because a thin blade when dull will always cut better then a thick sharp blade.
Any thoughts?
Yeah, a 60 degree bevel angle will only get so sharp. But I was able to easily sharpen these and get them a lot sharper than they were out of the package.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures So Bishop didn't do a good job on sharpening? Maybe they should disclose that. All of guys were turned off by the dullness in the comments.
If that head was another half in longer, would be more swept back blades.
To steep of an angle as is!
Great review John
It is pretty steep. But that’s what helps to fly so well also. Everything is a trade-off and brought a design. And if you generate enough momentum, the blade angle is no problem. So many mechanicals actually have a similar blade angle.
Have you tested the wasp sharpshooter?
I haven't tested that one yet.
I know you can’t sharpen every head for every test but a dull vs sharp video with a select few heads (including this one please) would be interesting, just to see how big or little of a difference it makes in penetration on the gel and cardboard would be cool
I’ve done that quite a few times. It makes zero difference in penetration. I’ve even dulled a head with a steel file till it was like a butter knife. It penetrated almost exactly the same as a razor sharp one. Penetration is more “punch” based than people realize, due to the high speed of the arrow.
I’d like to get back to flight forgiveness with a compound just because every broad head I throw on a cross bow seems to fly perfect and not the same as the compound which I feel most of the audience is looking for maybe you could do both ?
Ye did both just not in video, and he said they were still dead nuts accurate.
Well that's not the case for me. I can see the same variations in flight with a crossbow and with a compound, when testing any broadhead. I did shoot this head out of a compound bow as well.
Contact archery md3 is my favorite broadhead and is a little tougher because of the blade angle. I have a high energy setup because of 31” draw length and 70+# setup. This bishop is intriguing. I would buy a pack of 3 to try it out but not a 12 pack. It’s a shame they don’t sell a normal pack size.
Well, they do, but they’re just a lot more expensive. I love the MD3s as well. Took a nice year with one when I lived in Iowa a few years ago.
I’m new to archery so forgive me if this sounds dumb. But, how much momentum would you think/suggest for this guy ? I’m at 31” draw and 60lbs currently being new shooter. Will be at 70 come the season…
With that draw length and 70 pounds you would be in good shape- especially if you had a heavier arrow, like 500 grains or more. That would generate a lot of momentum. Heavier, arrows, conserve momentum, more than lighter arrows.
i am impressed that it few the same as your field point, that NEVER happens. were the field point and the broadhead both 125gr?
Yes. But at 30 yards, the 125 grainfield point and 100 grainfield point fly almost identically for me.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures oh, i see quite a bit of difference in 100gr vs 125gr field point at 30 yards from a bench rest. i had to make 115gr field point (with a grinder and a 125gr field point) to match the flight of my 100gr broadheads perfectly.
That's a crazy head design. The angle of the blades is so wide that penetration is very low and that makes me wonder how well it will do on game with different weight/ speed bows. It would be interesting to see if making it more sharp say in the 250 class would allow it to penetrate even just a little better.
It is pretty easy to get much sharper; I've done it. You definitely need a heavy enough set up to make it work well on game.
I'll bet it perorms better when sharp. Sharp and launched at 400fps it may end up getting decent penetration.@@LuskArcheryAdventures
A dull 60* angle head for $25 a piece? I’ll have to pass on this one. Great video sir, keep them coming. 😊
i just saw some canadian prices on broadheads. anihilator and beast are $100 a piece.
why on earth are we supporting the insane prices on everything these days. archery has gotten out of control. $4000 crossbows, $100 broadheads, and it's the consumers driving it, because they can't wait to buy the 'latest, greatest' every year.
youtube also pushes it, with all the channels hyping the new products. it's nuts.
Yeah, not for every budget. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Obviously you didn't have any trouble, but the first thing I thought was that riser clearance would be tight!
Yeah, I make my arrows a little bit longer, because I test so many broadheads, and some of them come over the end of the arrow like that.
Could be a turkey head too since it flys so good
Yep
I've got to call B.S. ON the flight test!! And of course, you only shoot Bishop arrows!!
No BS. I screwed it on and shot it like that. Then I also tested it with my compound and got the same results. The low profile really helps.
A exodus on steroids
I'm definitely buying this
Yep. And they’re not difficult to sharpen up and get them a whole lot sharper than they come in the package. I did that with three of them yesterday.
@ awesome good to hear
Nice good luck
@ I tell you the truth their website is very hard to navigate. They should update the website, especially when they are selling expensive stuff like this
I bought a dozen of these a month ago and Im scared to use them. I have a heavy arrow and powerful bow but it seems to take a ton to get these to penetrate. I'll test one on a doe next year. They are super solid maybe everything i thought about broadheads isnt exactly true.
If you have enough momentum, they will be awesome. You can also sharpen them very easily.
I would buy a three pack today.
There's no way I would ever buy 12 of any broadhead ever
I do believe they have a 3 pack
Yeah they have a 3 pack; just more expensive per head.
Bishop makes phenomenal stuff. But I can see this head being $250 a piece!
Well they’re not; they’re $25 per head.
"It lost no sharpness after the concrete test."lol. I'd shoot this all day long at whitetail with a high energy setup. 70 lbs and a 30-inch draw, any fixed is likely going through.
Yep!
It's like the QAD exodus's slow cousin from Alabama
:)
I’ve talked with him quite a bit on these heads. He is just completely adamant that you do not need to nor even should sharpen these any more than they are. It’s all about “edge bevel integrity” and that you don’t need a shaving razor to make an animal bleed. I need to work with them more to change the conventional paradigm on broadhead efficiency that much: Large, dull, obtuse, blunt = better broadhead? 🤔
Well, in terms of penetration, sharpness makes a lot less different than people realize. I’ve tested extremely dull Broadheads against the same model that is razor sharp. And the penetration tests are almost identical. Due to the high speed of the arrow, penetration is often more about punching than it is slicing; most people don’t understand that. But if the edge of the Broadhead gets chattered, that’s when penetration is impeded. That’s what Bishop is trying to explain.
I wish they made this in 150 grains. A little less blunt, slightly smaller cutting diameter. A 6 pack for $150 would sell.
They’re working on a 100 gr right now. Your suggestion might be in the future.
I don't know I have mixed thoughts I'd honestly have to see some footage on a animal blood trail pass threw all that good stuff but non the less I think it will definitely do so.e damage
Thanks for the comment
Not a three blade fan, but it is a fixed head and fixed is still a thousand times better than a mechanical. Where the hell did all of Bishop's single bevels go? The only ones I see left are the 600 grainers. Why would they get rid of heads they are best known for?
They still have them, but it’s just a matter of having the money upfront to get new inventory.
Not a fan of the sharpness, finish and tendon catching grooves.
Looks like it was whittled instead of the machined
No, it was definitely machined. You’re referring to the coding. That plating is to provide corrosion resistance and it’s what makes it look like it was cast or something. I sharpened three of them on diamond plates and got them much much sharper than they came out of the package. Bishop a one-man show; they don’t have time to sharpen each head due to the overall volume. But they’re very easy to sharpen.
Might be good for turkeys.
Yep
Maybe good for turkey
Absolutely.
Not only do they come in a 12 pack but I called and just let him know I had broken one and he told me when I broke them I could send them back and get a brand new one
Nice.
Hi John, Hope you’re feeling better. Did you say that those heads were $25 a piece and you have to buy 16 at a time? $400😳
12
For that price, it’s a 12 pack. I know it’s pricey for sure.
I saw $300
How can they put out such a dull broadhead. That's almost an insult. Also, it has a cast metal look to it. Maybe it's a coating of sorts, but it doesn't have the nice CNC finish you find on other high-end single piece broadheas. Its like shooting a butter knife at something. I cant get over the dullness. Never mind that you have to buy 12 of them minimum. Unbelievable.
It is machined. But then that coating is what you’re referring to- to prevent corrosion. They do not come as sharp as they can be made to be. I just took about 15 minutes and got three of them much much sharper than they were out of the package.
@LuskArcheryAdventures I'm sure that any amount of time spent sharpening them at all would make them sharper than the way they came because they probably couldn't get any worse. Bishop is known for its high-end and attention to detail. This seems low for them.
Thank you for everything you do, Lusk. I do appreciate your videos greatly.
Looks real neat but don’t think it’s for me
It's definitely a niche broadhead.
What's this one cost lol 699.99 for a 3 pack haha 😂
I don’t know what it is for a three pack. But I know their stuff is not cheap. It’s a niche market and very high-end with very high prices.
Terrible design. Way too blunt for an average vertical bow.
Well, it is not a broadhead for every set up, that’s for sure. But that’s the case with a lot of different broadheads. With enough momentum this is a cold blooded killer.
I could be wrong but I thing he shoots this out of his trad bow does he not? We need to see some results on critters cause if we can have fixed blade reliability with mechanical diameters and flight sheesh hard to beat.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Same with a 2x4. 😉
Man,i bet that thing would rip a wicked wound channel
It was designed for a man poundage bow it's ok that you can't pull one, QAD makes the Exodus for bows like yours
Just a bit $$$$ for my taste.
Yeah, not for every budget.
First thoughts- penetration not great, heavier arrow 500+ grains, 70# draw weight and a very well tuned setup. It looks like a casting product. Not impressed with the lack of sharpness. Not sure of the niche this head would fill in the broad head world? Lower draw weight hunters should stay away from this one I’m thinking.
It is 100% machine. The coding on it is what makes it look like it’s cast. They just wanted to provide a corrosion resistance to their tool steel. I sharpened three of them the other day, after I finish the video. I was impressed with how easy it was to get that much much sharper.
Nice bh, way to dull tho
Yep...but really easy to sharpen it up. I got them much sharper without taking too much time.
Total junk. That angle of attack and serrations are gunna lead to horrid penetration.
Probably so if you shoot 65# or less
Well, like I said, it’s all a function of your momentum. Out of a lighter set up, you’re correct. But out of a heavier set up, or a crossbow, they are perfect.
Check out bishops videos on the product. I thought I saw him using them on his trad bow with incredible results. Be curious to see some real world experiences.
I’d say expensive junk. Dull flying hatchet.
Easy to sharpen. Nothing junky about it.