This is what i originally thought, but after playing it a few times, the quick spell mechanic is excellent. Not a fan of programming myself, but they added a twist which makes it more enjoyable.
In our experience, the game is way more fun with the following house rules: 1 - Remove programming. All spells can be cast in any order, with your quick spell just being a more protected slot (usually no way to mess with it from other players). Why? 1.1 - The game state at more and more player counts changes EXTREMELY rapidly, you literally CANNOT foresee what will happen. This allows you to be way more reactive and not have so many dead turns because someone acted before you and ruined your entire turn. Being first player isn't a guarantee either, as you can trigger traps or have your first player token taken from you before turn begins (event phase). 1.2 - You might just get one shotted from certain mage/school combinations and lose all of your summons and position on the board, so if you don't have a way to adapt your round (set of turns) ... Dead round! 2 - Don't respawn in your own cell. Respawn... Wherever you like! Respawning in your own cell might, again, lead you to dead whole rounds (set of turns) where you just move and do literally nothing else. This adds an element of chaos and unpredictability in turns that combined with the more reactive gameplay feels way more in each players control. If you think this is too OP, you can set up a random generator to respawn in 1 of 3 random hexes. 3. Draw 3 keep 1 quests, instead of draw 1. Some quests are straight up impossible to achieve in any amount of turns with some mages/schools, specially if your opponents have any smear of intelligence (Hmmm I wonder why a completely spell based school is now spamming room minions?). This minimizes the risk of getting a impossible quest and being permanently behind compared to your opponents. 4. And this is only if you really like chaotic gameplay like we do ... All protection and trap spells can stay active WITHOUT CONSUMING A SPELL SLOT. This turns the game into a crescendo of tension and one small spark can cause a chain reaction that is just SO MUCH FUN. Anyway, this is obviously my opinion but damn if it hasn't worked out. I have Black Rose Wars, Black Rose Wars Rebirth and both Kickstarter stretch goals (sator box), 6P expansions and Apocalypse.
Great video. I got the 100% all in years ago as one of the first kickstarters I ever did. I was new to the hobby so I was blown away by all the plastic that it would provide. FF, 500 games in collection to this point, no space in my shelves....and this behemouth shows up. So overwhelmed by all the stuff, I still haven't looked at it. I want to like it, but it seems like it is soooo deep that you have to have people willing to make it a lifestyle game with you. Otherwise, you really aren't getting the most out of it.
I haven't played Rebirth, but Black Rose Wars is one of my favorite games that I've rarely played. I haven't found a group that wants to deal with the rules onboarding, but a playthrough of this game is a standout memory for me in board gaming. I love that you love this!
I'm currently playing Nova Aetas Renaissance from LMS right now, and the rulebook there is a mess as well. I think that's a very consistent weakness the company has, which is frustrating. We shouldn't have to dig through BGG to find an answer for something that should absolutely be in the rulebook. But, on the other hand, I've been really enjoying NAR despite that issue. 😅 Edit: good to know it plays well solo! I've been having issues scheduling with my group recently, so it'll be nice to test it out and learn the rules prior to introducing it to friends. 🌹
Interestingly enough, there was a mode for the original Black Rose Wars that allowed for greater asymmetry between the mages. Also, a few playable characters seem to have some special abilities but it can feel balance breaking or get expensive. Hyperion is an example of this. He is in an expansion from Nova Aetas Renaissance but he was given content that allows him to participate in BRW in a few ways.
I appreciate the cinematography and the explanation clealy of what cards look like and what abilities do and how turns work. I've seen far too many board game reviews where they just have the box art and they say something like "you have a guy and you can go over here and do a thing and then maybe you take a marker and you put it over here and that gives you a victory point and there so much you can do!" - yes a run on sentence because thats how they talk. I remember a reviewer once talking about the reasons a game might appeal to someone. In the middle of his sentence he said "you know if youuuu like to do stuff and ..." the sentence went on but it made me laugh. I do in fact like to do stuff, so this game must be for me. I don't think they are bad reviewers, I think some of them just have too much shit to review and they spend no time on the review. Of course you can't if you're playing 100 games in a month. Still, I prefer your approach, and i'll always look for review/gameplay videos with good audio and up close views.
🌹 Nice! Glad to hear you like it. I was a fan of the OG Black Rose Wars despite its flaws. I just love the theme, art, and overall aesthetic. Haven't unboxed my Rebirth yet, but excited to do so!
🖤🌹🧙♀️ I love how you we're able to incorporate Dwellings of Eldervale! I wasn't familiar with this title, but my ear picked up when you compared it to Dwellings. I have gone all in with Dwellings this month. With AE landing in just about 5 months. I am trying to reach the goal set by Daniel. I will take a deeper dive into this just because of your review. I will definitely let you know if or when I pull the trigger. Thanks again, Tim.⚔️🧙♂️🐲🐺
the two share so many similarities and with a solo mode, i think it's one to keep on your radar for sure Mark! I totally forgot how fast AE is approaching though thanks for the reminder!!
I have this AND the original. They both look amazing, but I just cant get around the rug book and the learning it’s going to take to sit down and actually PLAY. Now I feel like I have to sit down and just suck it up.
@@TimChuon NAR is amazing. Feels like final fantasy tactics the dungeon crawler. Some of the characters have mage cards for black rose. And the monsters have summon cards and avatar cards. Hyperion expansion is what you should look at. Great black rose stuff
hi, just want to ask between this or oathsworn? which would you recommend? im looking for my first board game and this looks cool and its not that expensive. i really like board game that has cool minietures would this be a better pick than oathsworn? is it not to complex for a beginner?
Black rose wars and Oathsworn are both pretty complex for beginners! They’re also both around $100~ for the base game alone 😅 ultimately, if you want to play a campaign/story driven game alone, Oathsworn would be a better choice. If you want to build out lots of cards, cast lots of spells and play against an AI solo, then BRW would be a better fit~
@@TimChuon thanks, im leanign towards a campaign type game, i like story telling games. where i live BRW is around 100 euros and oathsworn is double that price i duno why tho that kinda sucks, thankyou for the help. got subbed
HAHAA! That’s a great question, but dwellings remains number 1 and if anything ever dethrones it, I will (delete my channel) jk hahahah there’ll be an entire video about it!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Ah I’m not sure about the distributor, but the base game is 100% more than enough! I’d only get the expansions (you can order directly from their online shop) if you see yourself wanting to experiment with more spells!
@@TimChuon okay thanks than i think i will get the retail edition :) you inspired me on that one but seems like our board game taste is pretty the same :)
This is quickly becoming my absolute favourite BG channel, not just because Tim is a delight and informative to listen to, but because the editing done on this channel is second to none, with decor/lighting and B-rolls techniques that are usually more reserved for tech channels and high end product reviews, making BG even cooler than it already is Absolutely fantastic work, please don’t ever give up this hobby and keep up the incredibly amazing work Tim!
That's so inspiring to hear-thank you so much for that friend! Means a lot to hear you appreciating the work behind the camera, and definitely keeps me motivated to keep filming! Thank you so much
Tim I have to say, 1 great video. Two, I wish I had your intellectual capacity to quickly learn games. I went for help from the discord community and was met with willingness to help, but a few saying just read the rulebook again. I have, twice. It's a mess and not easy to learn. I have a hard time conceptualizing games until I can see a play through. Especially ones with bad rulebooks. I want to play this game, I really do but it doesn't look like it is in the cards. Might be time for me to vacate the hobby entirely.
TIMMMMMMMMMMMMM! You gotta do some full play throughs with your friends for this game. I really think it would be a hit. I already sorted my way through the rulebook that, as you already said is the "barrier to fun." If Ludus Magnus Studios could give this game some TLC post launch, they have a gem on their hands. If they don't do an FAQ, errata and follow up supporting the game they will have blown a big opportunity.
I always thought Black Rose Wars was underrated. It’s a fun wizard slugfest that elicits tons of laughs and more than a fair share of don't-you-dare moments. I’m psyched for this next iteration. Anxious to see how the improvements play out.
such a brilliant way to put it! I didn't play the original, but rebirth is so slick and fun, and I've already played through half the new expansions already. You're gonna love it!
@@Why-Ron75 My pledge of Rebirth is on its way, scheduled to arrive next week. Hopefully I'll get around to playing it soon after. I can tell you right now that I'm glad Rebirth did away with those fiddly rose pins. That'll be a big improvement.
What an awesome video, great quality and amazing light effects. Loved the clean and fast review also. You used a great effort on this, all the Black Rose Magisters community thanks you for that!
Hello tim! First of all, what an amazing video! You create beautiful content for board gamers! Congrats! I am awaiting for the spanish version of dwellings ;) and I had this on the radar for a while, Did you enjoy the game at 2 players? At home we play mainly at 2. Thank you
Hey thank you so much! Really happy you're enjoying the content~ And im SO excited for you for DWELLINGS! heck yes! 2 player is awesome-i actually play it most often at 2 players. It's my favorite player count actually for dwellings!
Fantastic vid and production value! This game is unbelievable, I picked up the first in trade and late backed rebirth - So good! I hope it gets all the hype in the world.
It’s super situational! In the game I just played, I mained nightmare for umbra development but dipped into agony for burst damage and Druidic for healing, ended up winning by taking control of the black rose room with forgotten spells! They do make fun combos that adapt to your situation
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Oh mah gah Tim you didn't tell me there was going to be PROGRAMMING HERE
SEE THAT. I KNEW SOMEONE WAS GONNA SAY IT
This is what i originally thought, but after playing it a few times, the quick spell mechanic is excellent. Not a fan of programming myself, but they added a twist which makes it more enjoyable.
Nice video and production quality, but i would appreciate more shots of the entire board, so i can see how the entire thing would look like
i'll definitely do that for future videos more, slipped in a couple top downs at 3:05 but it's an awkwardly big shape to get everything in frame! 🙌
Sorry. TH-cam didn't give him enough instructions to do so
@@TimChuon I think bringing up size of a game is important in a review. Maybe something to add in in the future.
In our experience, the game is way more fun with the following house rules:
1 - Remove programming. All spells can be cast in any order, with your quick spell just being a more protected slot (usually no way to mess with it from other players). Why?
1.1 - The game state at more and more player counts changes EXTREMELY rapidly, you literally CANNOT foresee what will happen. This allows you to be way more reactive and not have so many dead turns because someone acted before you and ruined your entire turn. Being first player isn't a guarantee either, as you can trigger traps or have your first player token taken from you before turn begins (event phase).
1.2 - You might just get one shotted from certain mage/school combinations and lose all of your summons and position on the board, so if you don't have a way to adapt your round (set of turns) ... Dead round!
2 - Don't respawn in your own cell. Respawn... Wherever you like! Respawning in your own cell might, again, lead you to dead whole rounds (set of turns) where you just move and do literally nothing else. This adds an element of chaos and unpredictability in turns that combined with the more reactive gameplay feels way more in each players control. If you think this is too OP, you can set up a random generator to respawn in 1 of 3 random hexes.
3. Draw 3 keep 1 quests, instead of draw 1. Some quests are straight up impossible to achieve in any amount of turns with some mages/schools, specially if your opponents have any smear of intelligence (Hmmm I wonder why a completely spell based school is now spamming room minions?). This minimizes the risk of getting a impossible quest and being permanently behind compared to your opponents.
4. And this is only if you really like chaotic gameplay like we do ... All protection and trap spells can stay active WITHOUT CONSUMING A SPELL SLOT. This turns the game into a crescendo of tension and one small spark can cause a chain reaction that is just SO MUCH FUN.
Anyway, this is obviously my opinion but damn if it hasn't worked out. I have Black Rose Wars, Black Rose Wars Rebirth and both Kickstarter stretch goals (sator box), 6P expansions and Apocalypse.
That's how I'll play, cutting and pasting this comment....thanks.
Thanks for sharing. Sounds interesting.
Great video. I got the 100% all in years ago as one of the first kickstarters I ever did. I was new to the hobby so I was blown away by all the plastic that it would provide. FF, 500 games in collection to this point, no space in my shelves....and this behemouth shows up. So overwhelmed by all the stuff, I still haven't looked at it. I want to like it, but it seems like it is soooo deep that you have to have people willing to make it a lifestyle game with you. Otherwise, you really aren't getting the most out of it.
Both this video and the game are works of art, beautiful
happy you enjoyed the review! thank you!
I haven't played Rebirth, but Black Rose Wars is one of my favorite games that I've rarely played. I haven't found a group that wants to deal with the rules onboarding, but a playthrough of this game is a standout memory for me in board gaming.
I love that you love this!
Sign me up for that group Devon id be down to play any day! 🤝🏽 you’re so right, we have VERY similar gaming taste 🤣
Thank you so much for watching! 🔥
@@TimChuon it will happen!
The way you presented the game was best I have ever seen!
This is one of my favorite channels due to the production value! keep up the good work! 🌹
Upset I passed on this in the last Kickstarter lol
dang, that means the world, thank you!
hahah i think they're still accepting late pledges....?
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🌹I have the all BRW stuff and BRWR all inthe Kickstarter version, very nice video about it; well done Tim ! 🌹
Love the review and quality and I think it would be even better to get some shots of the whole board earlier on
I'm currently playing Nova Aetas Renaissance from LMS right now, and the rulebook there is a mess as well. I think that's a very consistent weakness the company has, which is frustrating. We shouldn't have to dig through BGG to find an answer for something that should absolutely be in the rulebook. But, on the other hand, I've been really enjoying NAR despite that issue. 😅
Edit: good to know it plays well solo! I've been having issues scheduling with my group recently, so it'll be nice to test it out and learn the rules prior to introducing it to friends. 🌹
Interestingly enough, there was a mode for the original Black Rose Wars that allowed for greater asymmetry between the mages. Also, a few playable characters seem to have some special abilities but it can feel balance breaking or get expensive. Hyperion is an example of this. He is in an expansion from Nova Aetas Renaissance but he was given content that allows him to participate in BRW in a few ways.
I appreciate the cinematography and the explanation clealy of what cards look like and what abilities do and how turns work. I've seen far too many board game reviews where they just have the box art and they say something like "you have a guy and you can go over here and do a thing and then maybe you take a marker and you put it over here and that gives you a victory point and there so much you can do!" - yes a run on sentence because thats how they talk. I remember a reviewer once talking about the reasons a game might appeal to someone. In the middle of his sentence he said "you know if youuuu like to do stuff and ..." the sentence went on but it made me laugh.
I do in fact like to do stuff, so this game must be for me.
I don't think they are bad reviewers, I think some of them just have too much shit to review and they spend no time on the review. Of course you can't if you're playing 100 games in a month. Still, I prefer your approach, and i'll always look for review/gameplay videos with good audio and up close views.
One of my favourite games. Always finish games with talking about epic moments and plays
🌹 Nice! Glad to hear you like it. I was a fan of the OG Black Rose Wars despite its flaws. I just love the theme, art, and overall aesthetic. Haven't unboxed my Rebirth yet, but excited to do so!
PS - I love your glasses!
Video got me hyped for it, went over to the funding page and realised it was $399 xD fml
Amazing Review! Kept me hooked all the way! 🌹What fog machine do you use?
I’m still waiting for my copy to arrive, but videos like this keep the hype up 🤩
🖤🌹🧙♀️ I love how you we're able to incorporate Dwellings of Eldervale! I wasn't familiar with this title, but my ear picked up when you compared it to Dwellings. I have gone all in with Dwellings this month. With AE landing in just about 5 months. I am trying to reach the goal set by Daniel. I will take a deeper dive into this just because of your review. I will definitely let you know if or when I pull the trigger. Thanks again, Tim.⚔️🧙♂️🐲🐺
the two share so many similarities and with a solo mode, i think it's one to keep on your radar for sure Mark! I totally forgot how fast AE is approaching though thanks for the reminder!!
What is AE?
@RealBakedShark Andromeda’s Edge!
I have this AND the original. They both look amazing, but I just cant get around the rug book and the learning it’s going to take to sit down and actually PLAY. Now I feel like I have to sit down and just suck it up.
🌹 I have the first BRW as retail version and BRWR the Kickstarter version. Very nice video about it.
🌹 I have the first game and it is really good, I got this version this geek and I can't wait to play it!!
MTG meets D&D. Amazing
The rotas box is amazing. And if you have nova aetas you have so much extra goodies
Ah I’ve been on the fence with the crossover content, but Nova Aetas and their campaign game look so fun! I’m halfway through the rotas box!
@@TimChuon NAR is amazing. Feels like final fantasy tactics the dungeon crawler. Some of the characters have mage cards for black rose. And the monsters have summon cards and avatar cards. Hyperion expansion is what you should look at. Great black rose stuff
@@jcapo5oh awesome tips thank you! I’m definitely leaning towards buying those after that 😂😂😂 do you enjoy playing with the avatars?
@@TimChuon i actually haven't tried yet. I've just been playing with friends and using all the crazy summons
Nice video! 🌹
What sleeves are used here?
hi, just want to ask between this or oathsworn? which would you recommend? im looking for my first board game and this looks cool and its not that expensive. i really like board game that has cool minietures would this be a better pick than oathsworn? is it not to complex for a beginner?
Black rose wars and Oathsworn are both pretty complex for beginners! They’re also both around $100~ for the base game alone 😅 ultimately, if you want to play a campaign/story driven game alone, Oathsworn would be a better choice. If you want to build out lots of cards, cast lots of spells and play against an AI solo, then BRW would be a better fit~
@@TimChuon thanks, im leanign towards a campaign type game, i like story telling games. where i live BRW is around 100 euros and oathsworn is double that price i duno why tho that kinda sucks, thankyou for the help. got subbed
Do you prefer this over dwellings now?
Oh, the burning question we all want to know.😂😂😂
HAHAA! That’s a great question, but dwellings remains number 1 and if anything ever dethrones it, I will (delete my channel) jk hahahah there’ll be an entire video about it!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Do you know is the german distributor for this game pegaus games and do you think the basegame is enough for a start?
Ah I’m not sure about the distributor, but the base game is 100% more than enough! I’d only get the expansions (you can order directly from their online shop) if you see yourself wanting to experiment with more spells!
@@TimChuon okay thanks than i think i will get the retail edition :) you inspired me on that one but seems like our board game taste is pretty the same :)
Might want to start with the price … ouch
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🌹looks cool. but expensive XD. and very complex. the ammount of cards is insane. but is very interesting
true it's a pricey game! lots of cards for sure, but those spells are epic
Where is the how to play?
Ready, Steady, Play has such setup and play video although I can't speak for how accurate it is.
Is this a paid promotion?
Not a sponsored video
Programming? Guess Software Engineers get an advantage.
You guys would like this one 🤣
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This is quickly becoming my absolute favourite BG channel, not just because Tim is a delight and informative to listen to, but because the editing done on this channel is second to none, with decor/lighting and B-rolls techniques that are usually more reserved for tech channels and high end product reviews, making BG even cooler than it already is
Absolutely fantastic work, please don’t ever give up this hobby and keep up the incredibly amazing work Tim!
That's so inspiring to hear-thank you so much for that friend! Means a lot to hear you appreciating the work behind the camera, and definitely keeps me motivated to keep filming! Thank you so much
your production quality is still off the charts. keep it up!
that's awesome to hear, thank you so much!
By far the best. A lot more publisher should work with Tim to present their game. his videos are always awesome to watch.
Tim I have to say, 1 great video. Two, I wish I had your intellectual capacity to quickly learn games. I went for help from the discord community and was met with willingness to help, but a few saying just read the rulebook again. I have, twice. It's a mess and not easy to learn. I have a hard time conceptualizing games until I can see a play through. Especially ones with bad rulebooks. I want to play this game, I really do but it doesn't look like it is in the cards. Might be time for me to vacate the hobby entirely.
TIMMMMMMMMMMMMM! You gotta do some full play throughs with your friends for this game. I really think it would be a hit. I already sorted my way through the rulebook that, as you already said is the "barrier to fun." If Ludus Magnus Studios could give this game some TLC post launch, they have a gem on their hands. If they don't do an FAQ, errata and follow up supporting the game they will have blown a big opportunity.
I always thought Black Rose Wars was underrated. It’s a fun wizard slugfest that elicits tons of laughs and more than a fair share of don't-you-dare moments. I’m psyched for this next iteration. Anxious to see how the improvements play out.
such a brilliant way to put it! I didn't play the original, but rebirth is so slick and fun, and I've already played through half the new expansions already. You're gonna love it!
@@hermanturnip3984 which do you like better? This or the original?
@@Why-Ron75 My pledge of Rebirth is on its way, scheduled to arrive next week. Hopefully I'll get around to playing it soon after. I can tell you right now that I'm glad Rebirth did away with those fiddly rose pins. That'll be a big improvement.
The production value of these videos…so good!!!
Nice video! Are you sticking with core box, do you think it’s enough content for a while?
It is a good amount of content, but I’ve actually already gone through half the Rotas expansion boxes and have ordered Deadly Masks and more! 😂
What an awesome video, great quality and amazing light effects. Loved the clean and fast review also. You used a great effort on this, all the Black Rose Magisters community thanks you for that!
🌹 Excellent video. Great production. I can’t wait to get this to the table.
Hello tim!
First of all, what an amazing video! You create beautiful content for board gamers! Congrats!
I am awaiting for the spanish version of dwellings ;) and I had this on the radar for a while, Did you enjoy the game at 2 players? At home we play mainly at 2. Thank you
Hey thank you so much! Really happy you're enjoying the content~
And im SO excited for you for DWELLINGS! heck yes! 2 player is awesome-i actually play it most often at 2 players. It's my favorite player count actually for dwellings!
Fantastic vid and production value! This game is unbelievable, I picked up the first in trade and late backed rebirth - So good! I hope it gets all the hype in the world.
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Omgg this game looks amazing! I love dwellings solo! 🌹🌹
getting card from other schools didnt feel good. i felt drawing only cards from the own school hits better synergy most of the times
It’s super situational! In the game I just played, I mained nightmare for umbra development but dipped into agony for burst damage and Druidic for healing, ended up winning by taking control of the black rose room with forgotten spells! They do make fun combos that adapt to your situation
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Feel like you need to bass boos the mic, it's very tin-y and unclear.