3D Printed Metal vs CNC Machined - How Strong?

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    How does 3D printed metal compare to CNC machined metal? Or what about carbon fibre nylon? Let's find out! The one tonne Print Buster 3000 test rig is back in action to answer more questions about the strength of 3D prints. This time around, we start with a number of PLA FDM prints before looking at Onyx FR carbon FDM and then on to Sintered Laser Melting (SLM) 3D printed metals and finally CNC'd metals. Which will be strongest, and how strong will it be?
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  • @bluerider0988
    @bluerider0988 ปีที่แล้ว +547

    The "heat treat" you did likely did nothing, if anything softened the parts. Heat treating steel requires specific temperatures and specific times for cooling to create the proper grain structure. It's followed by an annealing process to dial back the hardness to a specific number.
    I would recommend redoing those tests and obtaining pieces that have been properly heat treated to a specific hardness.
    I was surprised on the 3d printed part strength.

    • @OB1canblowme
      @OB1canblowme ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Yeah, basically invalidated the whole test since regular 4140, when heat treated, has a yield 200MPa+ that of Ti6Al4V

    • @Ender240sxS13
      @Ender240sxS13 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It's all pointless unless multiple samples of the same materials and treatments etc. are tested, we have no idea if these parts are representative of the average expected strength or not, what the standard deviation is etc.

    • @tangente60
      @tangente60 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I'm a tool and die maker and know by accident a bit about heat treatment. By heating up the parts to about 500°C you annealed them and reduced any existing hardnes. D2 fpr example needs a temperature of 1020-1050°C, followed by a chill in oil or moved nitrogen gas and has to be annealed at about 500°C afterwards for several hours.

    • @CensoredUsername_
      @CensoredUsername_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yep, there's a lot of weirdness going around there in general. He manages to heat the part to a nice orange in the centre (one spot even reaching yellow) which would suggest temperatures of >1000degC. Steel at 500 degrees shouldn't even be reddish. Which would be decent temperatures for a heat treat, except that it should then be chilled quickly (oil quenching recommended for 4140). If it gets below tempering temperatures too slowly you'll just end up with an annealed steel again. He might've actually gotten lucky with the accidental heat treat as the thinness of the part causes it to cool down really quickly. But eh, that's rather unlikely.

    • @unmortal8672
      @unmortal8672 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      haha i was about to comment this myself bravo im surprised anyone else thought of it

  • @Personnenenparle
    @Personnenenparle ปีที่แล้ว +481

    The kg/time graph is not really useful. Kg/elongation would give way more info on the stiffness

    • @electrosync
      @electrosync  ปีที่แล้ว +103

      I couldn’t include all of the data in the video because the algorithm would punish the video. All the data is available on my Patreon. The link is in the description.

    • @1fareast14
      @1fareast14 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@electrosync You mean it would have been too long?

    • @oli5dijksma616
      @oli5dijksma616 ปีที่แล้ว +177

      @@1fareast14 and now he can safely hide the answer behind a paywall

    • @cybyrd9615
      @cybyrd9615 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      ​@@oli5dijksma616well he's not publically funded unlike the researchers who are and paywall all their findings, also he's not using strain gauges on the thin part of the material which is the only strain you actually need to care about

    • @Alsry1
      @Alsry1 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@cybyrd9615 the researchers aren’t the ones paywalling the publishers are. Literally just ask the researchers personally for a copy of their paper, they’re allowed to provide it for free.

  • @simp-slayer
    @simp-slayer ปีที่แล้ว +190

    I hope we get consumer-grade metal printers soon.

    • @smashyrashy
      @smashyrashy ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Or just cheap good quality 3d printers

    • @electrosync
      @electrosync  ปีที่แล้ว +28

      That would be amazing! I think we’re a little while away from that though.

    • @WeAreChecking
      @WeAreChecking ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@smashyrashy what? Ender 3s have been available for many years now, if you're wanting something more professional grade, then a Prusa or (nowadays) a Bambu will do almost anything most people need. (Though a Bambu is way less open source and so likely won't last nearly as long as the others)
      What are you looking for exactly?

    • @significantharassment
      @significantharassment ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@WeAreCheckingThey said "good quality" so Ender 3s don't really fit the bill. Nowadays on the lower end there's stuff like the SV06 which takes the form factor and robustness of a Prusa but makes the whole package far cheaper.

    • @facenameple4604
      @facenameple4604 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Just need a furnace-y enclosure, a tungsten nozzle, and an induction heater coil.

  • @BLenz-114
    @BLenz-114 ปีที่แล้ว +271

    I understand you are doing your best, but . . . .
    As someone who works in materials testing, testing a single sample really isn't enough to draw many conclusions. You could just have a bad sample.
    AND, tensile test samples are SUPER sensitive to stress risers. Grooves or pits too small to see can be a stress riser and weaken a sample A LOT. I suspect that's why your CNC samples gave weaker strengths than the printed ones. Have you looked to see how the CNC samples compared to published material strengths?
    Also, how are you calculating your elongation? I feel like if I can see it visually, it has to be more than 1.2%.

    • @palmberry5576
      @palmberry5576 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah, there is definitely something going on with those elongation numbers
      Although, it does appear that the whole setup moves when it is cranked

    • @jackdeniston59
      @jackdeniston59 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, but that is how they are used in the real world.

    • @mindaugaszemgulis4823
      @mindaugaszemgulis4823 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@jackdeniston59 In the real world parts are affected by variable load and what matters is plastic and elastic deformation numbers. You can kind of see that in graphs but this info is useless.

    • @polycrystallinecandy
      @polycrystallinecandy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@jackdeniston59 A thousand different kinds of defects can occur in the real world, all affecting the results in wildly different ways. Doesn't mean the data represents real world performance, if you choose a sample with a random one of those defects and measure it.

    • @gdmcgill
      @gdmcgill 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe he calculates the elongation after fracture by putting the two broken pieces back together and comparing it to original sample length (negating all elastic deformation).

  • @kmyerslp85
    @kmyerslp85 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Grain direction in some of the cnc materials plays a big part too. The titanium looks like it was perpendicular to the test load. The break seemed like it too.

    • @Mernom
      @Mernom ปีที่แล้ว

      True. This would probably require further testing to discard or confirm it as a variable.

    • @kmyerslp85
      @kmyerslp85 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Mernom I worked in a field making pressure rupture discs. We would cut slits in the material with a laser leaving tabs that break upon failure. Cutting parts in the wrong grain direction for the application yields vastly different results. I can only assume the same happens here.

    • @Clockwork0nions
      @Clockwork0nions 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also the difference between billet and forged parts in the case of aluminum

  • @germanrcbashing245
    @germanrcbashing245 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well I didn’t expect to see that result… thanks for showing this👍

  • @GRBtutorials
    @GRBtutorials ปีที่แล้ว +28

    It’d be interesting if you could test metal cast from 3D prints, as that’s a DIY way of “3D printing” metal. Maybe a collab?

    • @Fantastika
      @Fantastika ปีที่แล้ว +1

      or even forged, but i dont know where he could get forged parts

    • @szurketaltos2693
      @szurketaltos2693 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fantastika would probably need to compare to a commercially available forged part, e.g. a moto brake lever.

    • @krusher74
      @krusher74 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no its not, thats just casting

  • @xenon5066
    @xenon5066 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It's nice seeing that characteristic stress-strain profile for the steel, even with the 3d printed one. It would be interesting if you could somehow constantly increase the load instead of pumping the jack.

    • @angrydragonslayer
      @angrydragonslayer ปีที่แล้ว

      A stepper with gears xD

    • @Mechanarian
      @Mechanarian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It’s not a Young’s modulus graph though so I think it’s just a coincidence

    • @JacobLeeson-zk1ol
      @JacobLeeson-zk1ol 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@angrydragonslayerthe much more obvious and practical solution is an electric hydraulic pump.

    • @angrydragonslayer
      @angrydragonslayer 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JacobLeeson-zk1ol rude

  • @joshuadelisle
    @joshuadelisle 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but it matters which way on the plate the part was machined from. There is an elongated grain structure from the rolling process. I tested this in my nail making video as I was making nails from sheared material and the strength drastically differs from 90 degrees on the original plate. Cheers J

  • @StanEby1
    @StanEby1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very, very, very interesting, and with some surprises for me. Thanks also for the strength to weight ratio chart at the end.

  • @EpicJCreations
    @EpicJCreations 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was incredebly useful and informative! I've not seen any one compare the propper metal prints to each other, let alone to CNC, this was really awesome. THANK YOU!

  • @Scarecrowlolz
    @Scarecrowlolz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Electrosync Great video! very cool to see results like this, one thing I'd suggest is looking into something like ASTM E8 for coupon designs and having larger radius from the grip sections to the gauge lengths, this focus stress into the gauge length and gives a more true uniaxial loading for measuring tensile strain, I'd also consider a bolted clamp mount onto solid grip tangs and have that mount be the point of connecting your test frame mount points to remove the KT factor of the giant hole influencing sample loading behaviour.
    you can then also mark the gauge length before testing and measure the distance between the marks after loading for a more accurate elongation measurement.
    Since you are recording the test with a camera you could also look into 2D optical displacement measurement of those marks as well.

  • @mostwantedmes
    @mostwantedmes 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome work really help me alot ! ❤

  • @alexeytsybyshev9459
    @alexeytsybyshev9459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    6:24 This is definitely way higher than 500 C. Based on my limited experience melting brass and the glow, I would say the middle part is at least 900 degrees

  • @BenMitro
    @BenMitro ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was so useful and informative. Thanks!!
    I'd suggest fatigue testing, though without some automation that will be a very tedious set of tests!

  • @jort93z
    @jort93z ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I like how much the steel yields before breaking. Very useful for many applications
    I was also really surprised how weak that cnc machined aluminium was.
    Also the 3D Printed titanium was very impressive.
    The heat treatment was pointless though. You can't just point a torch at D2 and hope it gets stronger.

    • @krusher74
      @krusher74 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      in a sample size of one its dangerous to draw such conclusions.

    • @jort93z
      @jort93z 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends on many factors, you don't get around testing your final part anyway.@@krusher74

  • @wigtigwigtig
    @wigtigwigtig ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There I am on the wall! 🩷
    Check out the stretch going up and down on the aluminium before it breaks!

  • @Syscrush
    @Syscrush 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I admit to being shocked at these results - it's hard to understand how sintered metal could outperform machines pieces.
    Thanks for this!

  • @jc2044
    @jc2044 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, consider adding a summary of your tests.

  • @apollolux
    @apollolux 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Does metal, especially CNC or forged/hammered metal, have "directional grain/layers" like wood and FDM 3D-printed plastic does? If so, would that significantly affect tensile strength to the degree that plastic is affected or is it not noticeable enough, and is it not possible to ask a fabrication shop to CNC certain metal parts along a certain axis of the sheet if it is?

  • @jeanladoire4141
    @jeanladoire4141 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Depending on what "tool steel" you had, you could have heat treated it to triple its performances (i don't mean annealing it as a heat treat, i mean hardening and tempering). Heat it to cherry red, and not any hotter or under that, drop in water, and then make its surface shine again with sandpaper or a stone, you just want to see the metal underneath. Then, with the torch, slowly heat it back up until the steel starts taking tempering colors. Reach an electric blue, avoid going above that too much, and below that will just be too brittle. Flame tempering is kind of a crude way of tempering usual carbon steel, but that's how it was done before. That being said, it's not pushing the material to its best capabilities, you'd need a tempering furnace for that.

    • @Atrocities85
      @Atrocities85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And an age oven, control for temp, duration. Aluminum processing is a different though in the quench. You don't want it to severe you can get issues with grain structure. It also matters how think the aluminum.

  • @RobGadeke
    @RobGadeke ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Very interesting results here
    Curious what the cross sectional area of the test piece is? Could be more useful to have the numbers in MPa.
    An idea for a future video could be comparing the metals at varying infill levels to high performing plastics (peek, ultem...) For strength:weight and strength:volume comparisons

    • @MrBricks148
      @MrBricks148 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be very difficult that way once you start plastically deforming the test part. The necking would reduce the cross section. unless he had a way to keep track of that, maybe a cylindrical test piece?

    • @Zestybwoi
      @Zestybwoi ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@MrBricks148 Mpa is always calculated with reference to the unstressed cross-sectional area. However calculating the poison ratios would be interesting regardless.

    • @patrickscholl2484
      @patrickscholl2484 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Zestybwoi not always. Tensile reports are in engineering stress as you’ve noted, but in most finite element model solvers (notably excepting NASTRAN) true stress vs strain is used. Tensile tests also give reduction in area and elongation values, as well. These datapoints combine to enable approximate generation of true stress vs strain curves.

    • @Atrocities85
      @Atrocities85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I prefer to do it in psi. 😅 but yes, cross-sectional is key. Especially when looking at your offset and your proportional limit.

    • @Atrocities85
      @Atrocities85 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@MrBricks148you need to measure it when you do the calculations for your offset. It's how you get compliance to astm😢 tensile testing standard.

  • @bernard2735
    @bernard2735 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was like watching the Hydraulic Press channel but in reverse.

  • @desmond-hawkins
    @desmond-hawkins ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great tests! I don't think it was mentioned, but I assume the 3D printing process built these pieces "flat", right? I mean as opposed to "standing" like they are on the test rig. A major source of weakness in 3D prints is at the interface between layers, so I don't see how these parts could be this strong if the layers were horizontal when the piece is being stretched. By the way, it would be interesting to also compute the tensile strength you observed in Mpa (as Stefan from CNC Kitchen does), and compare these values to the ones reported by PCBWay. For example, they claim 560 Mpa for 316L stainless, 330 Mpa for aluminum, and 600 Mpa for titanium - all tensile strength numbers.

    • @tony_mfg7597
      @tony_mfg7597 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      kind of like resin the properties are more homogenous, so the difference in strength due to the orientation it was printed in should be negligible. for the SLM printed metal parts

    • @IamtheWV17
      @IamtheWV17 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      3d printer metal is kinda different... it's almost more like simultaneously welding the entire part from powder.

    • @desmond-hawkins
      @desmond-hawkins ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tony_mfg7597 Thanks for this comment, I never knew this since I've only ever owned FDM 3D printers, so I looked it up and it does seem to be the consensus. Very interesting property, I would not have expected it given that resin prints are still done layer by layer.

    • @tony_mfg7597
      @tony_mfg7597 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@desmond-hawkins no problem

    • @sampsamattila9875
      @sampsamattila9875 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can actually see the upskin in the parts. They were printed vertically. Metal does not suffer from FDM issues as such. The big impact is more in the grain structure and that is where the orienation has an impact. XY&Z will have different z-strength and elongation.

  • @DaRealdioactiveMan
    @DaRealdioactiveMan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your „heat treatment“ was interesting. Rest of the video: awesome 👍

  • @prototype7970
    @prototype7970 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool video thank you for sharing !

  • @stevesloan6775
    @stevesloan6775 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video totally earned my New Subscription.
    Well done ha!
    Theres a lot to be said regarding nano structures!
    Not to mention laser fusion welding.

  • @lil----lil
    @lil----lil 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent channel. Liked & Subscribed.

  • @seenmakino
    @seenmakino ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is there info on less expensive fdm materials with chopped fibers? These continuous fibers are insanely expensive

  • @TheChemicalWorkshop
    @TheChemicalWorkshop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, could you test resins? both 3d printed and standard epoxy resins? maybe even ones with additives

  • @constantinosschinas4503
    @constantinosschinas4503 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bypassing that single item testing or the specific setup are far from ideal, were the SLM/CNC alloys the same? When we say CNC is it machined, waterjet ot laser? Were they deburred? In such small parts cutting process can have a big impact.

  • @papascrupple
    @papascrupple 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for making a video that compares metal 3d printed parts to conventional CNC metal parts. Seems like the trade off is between elongation and ultimate strength. Makes sense since I would imagine grain size of SLS parts is much smaller due to quickly cooling the parts from melted to solid below glowing hot. Your video helped me realize this and that 3d printed metal parts are actually viable for normal applications

  • @seanpolke5379
    @seanpolke5379 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Using Newtons as your unit for force is more helpful, instead of a static mass substitute (kg). You can still describe the static equivalent but then also show how dynamic forces can be huge, compared to the masses used. A very important lesson.

  • @McRootbeer
    @McRootbeer ปีที่แล้ว +8

    How much were the different parts? It would be interesting to see which printed material gets you the most strength per dollar.

    • @jamiethomas4079
      @jamiethomas4079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I second this. What's the strength to cost ratio? I been using sunlu pla+ for some things and it's surprisingly strong and their black is under $20 a roll.

  • @narancs5
    @narancs5 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something is wrong with the elongation calculation. It was very apparent in the Onyx FR + Glass test. I meassured it on the screen so it is not 100% accurate.
    At start the distance between the clamps was 77mm. When the first cracks started to appear the distance was 84mm. This is a 9,1% elongation.
    Also the aluminium alloys you worked with are very different. AlSi10Mg contains cca. 85-88% Al and 10% Si and a bit of Mg while 6061 contains 96-98% Al + 0,7% Si and 1% Mg.
    Tensile strength of the former is 450MPa while for the latter it is 180-280MPa.
    The idea is good but in order to get useful data you need to compare fairly similar things e.g. like the PLA and the titanium parts. I dont think base on this test alone we can conclude that 3D printed metal parts are stonger. Too many variables.

  • @helpmeimconfused
    @helpmeimconfused ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How did you measure the % elongation? I don't see any strain gauge nor was it explained in the video. Kg/time doesn't really tell us anything other than saying we can progressively load this specific part for this long before it breaks. Also, that's not ASTM D638 dogbone standard so you can't really say that the test has been "standardized". Pedantic, I know. But there's a fine difference between doing something that resembles a standardized test and doing an actual standardized test; I understand you're constrained by your test rig but I must point this out.
    Cool results though. I'd like to see an improvement in the experimental setup and eventually see an actual stress strain curve.

    • @helpmeimconfused
      @helpmeimconfused ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I see, it looks like elongation was measured in post. Which makes me question its credibility even more. Was the distortion from the camera lens compensated for?

  • @shinyblackcshoes
    @shinyblackcshoes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to see comparisons of more practical tests; tests that reflect the intended uses of 3D printed metals. Like how a 3D printed piston for a combustion engine, or a 3D printed heat exchanger, compares to one that's been cast or forged.

  • @richardms3682
    @richardms3682 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Surprised to see the SLM handles the static test pretty well!
    I wonder if they are also good on the dynamic loads test.
    In my experience of engineering, porosity in metal parts doesn’t make a huge difference in static but on on the dynamic test, it can differ 10 to 100 times!

  • @rockorbonk2713
    @rockorbonk2713 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, what program do you use for modeling?

  • @electrosync
    @electrosync  ปีที่แล้ว +35

    The results were a little surprising! Any ideas for a future strength test video?

    • @smashyrashy
      @smashyrashy ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Test casted parts

    • @electrosync
      @electrosync  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@smashyrashy Great idea! I'd need to do some research into that.

    • @WeAreChecking
      @WeAreChecking ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Please provide stress/strain curves or other useful data next time! Really appreciate the approach here but I'd really like to see more of the useful data

    • @paint4pain
      @paint4pain ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Two explanations for the results; One, the Alsimg10 has much higher tensile strength than 6061-T6 aluminium.
      And two, the CNC parts from PCB way cold be laser cut from a sheet, if they are, that could explain the results, aluminium would lose its temper and steels would precipitate carbon near the cut edge and become brittle.

    • @matejkuka797
      @matejkuka797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@zomgthisisawesomelol usually in 3D print is used AIS10Mg (it Is written in the video) alloy wich is equivalent to something like EN 1706, 2010 aluminium grade.

  • @urhmarkic6381
    @urhmarkic6381 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very interesting test, I think it would be also interesting if you would add a price on how much did each pice cost you to produce/buy it.

  • @TheAxeljones2012
    @TheAxeljones2012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    congratulations!!

  • @BeefIngot
    @BeefIngot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's a thought. The infil for the prints were placed at what I assume to be the optimal angle, criss crossing diagonally in the direction of the load. If it was printed at a 45 degree angle, it would no longer criss cross, and I imagine that might have an effect on the outcome.

  • @t0mas0svk
    @t0mas0svk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice to see points, where elastic deformation changed to plastic.
    You should compute ratio in similar videos to follow.
    Great job.

  • @tylerduncan5908
    @tylerduncan5908 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be interesting to compare forged vs cast vs additive vs cnc metal

  • @alexbuilder6983
    @alexbuilder6983 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super interesting stuff!

  • @deadbirdwalking1159
    @deadbirdwalking1159 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Question. Wouldn't this test look very different if you used an attachment (bolt/rod e.g.) with the same diameter as the mounting hole? At the very least it should decrease the elongation, yes?

  • @fredorpaul
    @fredorpaul 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to see Fracture Toughness and/or Charpy testing on SLM vs CNC parts.

  • @HolmesHobbies
    @HolmesHobbies 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The sharper edges on the cnc cut parts are the likely culprit of lower fail strength. Those edges will tear first and propagate

  • @ripleylivesay3051
    @ripleylivesay3051 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Were the aluminum cnc and printed the same qlloy?

  • @breezetix
    @breezetix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:12 the stretch like that, i always think of it as pulling your fingers

  • @pasha5584
    @pasha5584 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What the square of the minimal profile? Or size broken place? It's very interesting to calculate MPa.

  • @rashdecision
    @rashdecision ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I expect the CNC metals used here were low-grade billet. This means that the "grain" of the metal would be going all sorts of different directions rather than in straight lines. By printing flat, you are forcing the metal grain to lay a specific way, which is more or less making the printed result a kind of custom billet. By aligning the grain along the stressed plane, you've given the metal the greatest chance to demonstrate its tensile strength in billet form. I wonder if the carbon, kevlar, and glass linings could benefit the printed metals?

  • @microdesigns2000
    @microdesigns2000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A chart of strength to cost would be nice.

  • @Inception1338
    @Inception1338 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    outstanding. Thanks a lot.

  • @user-mo4kw6wq2z
    @user-mo4kw6wq2z ปีที่แล้ว

    Were tgey cnc milled or cnc cut? There is huge difference. And btw i would love to see these metals under hydraulic press to see how strong they are

  • @Travis.Ladegast
    @Travis.Ladegast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It makes sense. If you’re printing your metal, you can somewhat improve the molecular geometry to allow for the highest strength facing the work, sort of like a blacksmith using billets with alternating grains to strengthen their product. I can only imagine how this tech will fair in a couple decades or even a century.

  • @60tiantian
    @60tiantian หลายเดือนก่อน

    good work~bro!

  • @a154james
    @a154james 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would be nice to see this test with cast metal samples as well, specifically for aluminum. That’s what most applications are replacing with 3D printed metal parts.
    Also would be helpful to know the alloys of aluminum used and the stock thickness sizes, if the samples were made from thicker aluminum plate and cut down, they could very easily have a lower hardness. In aerospace this is something that we check after the parts are fully machined from a plate to ensure that there wasn’t a soft spot in the center of the block and that it was tempered properly.

  • @JonathanZigler
    @JonathanZigler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if there could have been a process bias. Some articles I've read suggest one over the other, but if 3D printed is consistent then it's likely the better of the two. What this does say is pcbway has better metal 3d printing strength with this run as opposed to CNC machined. However, it does make me wonder if there was maybe a tolerance or weight bias that occurred. What's the margin of error here?

  • @reeveeedu9685
    @reeveeedu9685 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you give the units in psi or pa?

  • @NicolasBana
    @NicolasBana 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was good but as a student i had to do a few of these and had access to norms and the like. We had a protocol where we only took the results from samples that broke clearly in the middle section, your sample have a stress point at the neck, it should be longer if you want to prevent them from breaking at the stress point. Your results may be qualitative but not quantitative, you'd need an average over several good samples.

  • @sergrun45352
    @sergrun45352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It doesn't really matter how fast you load the sample. It is more interesting to look at the tension in the material. What are the cross sections in the samples? I would like to see a graph of stress versus strain. Even if it is absolute. The truth, if possible, is relative.

  • @JamesMilliron
    @JamesMilliron หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:38 "and this is the heaviest metal of the test bunch..." [short heavy metal riff] 😂

  • @josephsmith601
    @josephsmith601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video, especially since most of the information I've seen suggest 3D printed metals are weaker than molded ones. 👍👍👍

  • @terrydonofrio3951
    @terrydonofrio3951 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favourite part was the music fill during the 316 SLM description 😅

  • @milspectoothpick4119
    @milspectoothpick4119 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Most common alloys are not suitable for 3D printing, like 6061. The 3D printed aluminum part was most likely a much different alloy but cool to see they can be just as strong as a machined part these days.

  • @sharkbaitsurfer
    @sharkbaitsurfer 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Although others have criticised the heat treatment, not to matter as it's no big deal really - the most interesting element was the difference between 3D printed metals versus CNC machined metals - that was GOLD.
    Would love to know the cost comparison between the 3D printed versus CNC machined metal parts if it's not commercially sensitive.

  • @wesleyooms
    @wesleyooms ปีที่แล้ว

    So what about a part that is cnc machined from a 3D printed block? It would be interesting to see if the difference comes from the machining, or from the base material which of course has had a different heat treatment history if it was 3D printed.

  • @mr_bear6362
    @mr_bear6362 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason plastic 3d printed parts didn't change based on infill is because of how thin the test pieces were, not having very much empty space for infill to take up

  • @gregoryheim9781
    @gregoryheim9781 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were the CNC parts made from cast or forged metal?

  • @JumpeFurby
    @JumpeFurby 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to see the difference between a steadily increasing force vs this jerky application.
    Great video either way!

  • @kinzieconrad105
    @kinzieconrad105 ปีที่แล้ว

    A number of things come into play when doing tensile test. On the CNC they will break at corners and sharp internal corners focus stress. rounding and smoothing will help and any working of test structures can screw results. Learned this in a lost wax casting company. A cast part of same dimension will always put perform a CNC in the same material.

  • @ripleylivesay3051
    @ripleylivesay3051 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    had the aluminum steel and titanium been machine hardend or not? Further more i believe that the laser sintering will likely have affected the grain size and structure of the metals

  • @mr_viss_
    @mr_viss_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you get some forged ones and compare them to this data?

  • @markjmaxwell9819
    @markjmaxwell9819 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very interesting l had no idea 3D printed metals were so good.
    But being able to use extremely pure and good quality material when printing and having a consistent material cell structure and also being able to play with wall thicknesses and infills obviously makes a big difference.
    I remember doing gravity die casting and the end results sometimes left a lot to be desired.
    Interesting results with some surprises.
    The tolerances and surface finishes that can be achieved with a CNC are still superior but 3D printing definitely has it's place.
    Traditional casting is also something I would like to see tested.
    😎👍

  • @rsALEX
    @rsALEX 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how did you calculate elongation?

  • @SeenAndCheese
    @SeenAndCheese 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was unexpected. I would not have bet money on that.

  • @poldmets
    @poldmets 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But what is the tensile strength to $ ratio of the materials tested?

  • @kapytanhook
    @kapytanhook ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Any idea how this is even possible. I get some of it might be a fluke due to different alloys and work hardening. But how can a more porous unevenly stressed version of a Material be stronger in tensile stress

    • @nils1953
      @nils1953 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I can only image that it's a different alloy

    • @Horstelin
      @Horstelin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Different Aluminium alloys can behave quite differently. This looks to be one that in german we sometimes call "gooey aluminium". Horrible to machine because it's so soft, it's like cutting peanut butter with a sharp knife.

    • @whitechocolatethunder3078
      @whitechocolatethunder3078 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The grain orientation for 3d printed parts is probably more uniform and the cnc parts most likely arent. I think this would also explain the higher elongation on the cnc parts. I couldn't imagine 3d printed parts to be stronger than a properly forged metal

  • @markdaniel8740
    @markdaniel8740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good.
    It would take a lot of parts,sensors, time and everything else to get enough data to satisfy everyone, but you showed how the materials and processes compare.
    I'm surprised that the printed parts were stronger than the machined.

  • @Skyliner_369
    @Skyliner_369 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's a clever way to measure toughness of a material, requiring a *heavy* hammer, a protractor, a set starting position, and a pointer to capture swing-through. The less height the hammer gets on the other side of the swing, the tougher the material.

  • @Petch85
    @Petch85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool setup.
    But most of the time I'm not interested in the ultimate strength, cause if my part has deformed permanently it might not function anymore.
    The behaviour of all these materials are very different but some kind of "yield strength equivalent" would probably be more useful for me at least.

  • @barabolak
    @barabolak ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you should make a rig that would test how brittle 3d printed metals are in comparison to CNC machined

  • @brunopernar4813
    @brunopernar4813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kg/time graph is interesting for the eye but the tensile load [Mpa][N/mm^2]/Elongation graph would give us more information about material.

  • @ashman2023
    @ashman2023 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool but I wish you had included pricing

  • @Diegura250
    @Diegura250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are elongation results ok?

  • @BlockoStudios
    @BlockoStudios ปีที่แล้ว

    How do milled/CNC plastic parts perform in comparison to printed? Probably difficult to test for considering the abundance of different plastics available. Also, may be worth looking at forged parts.

    • @Alsry1
      @Alsry1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plastic parts usually aren’t milled. They’re usually injection molded.

  • @crazycat1380
    @crazycat1380 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do forged metals too!

  • @lorddestructive
    @lorddestructive 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    correct heat treatment is so important and the kind of metal used too. there is way better aluminum and steel specially made for tensile strenght ans also hardened and heattreated ccorrectly. just making it glow could make performance even worse. the metal may get too brittle or too soft. normally its made red hot and cooled several times to normalize it, then hot to a precise temperature and then quenched in some liquid for hardening depending on the kind of steel. sometimes special oils sometimes just water. after that it goes in the heat treatment oven to finish the job by getting it up hot but not glowing hot, Temperatur again depends on the kind of steel. in that process it will change color. sometimes more yellowish sometimes blue or even purple. after all of that your steel is ready to go. you could also do all of that to the raw material and then machine it but its way harder and you would need tungsten tools for most of the high grade steel parts. also it would have to be cooled all the time because getting it hot (like everything above 200⁰) would ruin the temper

  • @jphynes1
    @jphynes1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd be happy to heat treat the steel pieces for you if you want to redo this

  • @tomisuikkari992
    @tomisuikkari992 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think there was something wrong with the aluminium and stainless parts. They shouldn't be so weak (relatively). Of course they might not suit the SLM process so well without a heat treat. Oh and the heating you did for the tool steel is most likely just yielding the part. And I don't know much about titanium but the test might be bias for materials that don't suffer from work hardening since the force is pulsing.

  • @deepwinter77
    @deepwinter77 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would imagine that because the parts are so small, they're more susceptible to small variations.
    I would predict that the difference in strength would reduce as the test part size increases.
    Assuming the material is the same grade and all that jazz

  • @cch201992
    @cch201992 ปีที่แล้ว

    wouldn't it be a more accurate reading if the bolt going through the hole in test piece was sized properly? Seems like most broke in in the center but on the kevlar and carbon fiber ones it seemed like the bolt hole failure added to the main failure🤷🏻‍♂️ also missed opportunity CNC pla 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @T---T
    @T---T ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW, that is definitely unexpected

  • @santiagoblandon3022
    @santiagoblandon3022 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi, great video! thanks. About the heat treatment.. Did you just heat it and let it cool? 'cause that would actually anneal it and make it lower strength and modulus
    CORRECTION: the modulus wouldn't change

    • @clement583
      @clement583 ปีที่แล้ว

      Modulus doesn't change when heat treating, only hardness and strength

    • @santiagoblandon3022
      @santiagoblandon3022 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hardness and modulus are directly related in metals, the higher the modulus, the harder the metal is and vice versa.

    • @clement583
      @clement583 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@santiagoblandon3022 nope. That's a common misconception, modulus is a material property

    • @santiagoblandon3022
      @santiagoblandon3022 ปีที่แล้ว

      So it is hardness. Take knife making as an example. They forge the blade, the blade is soft, the file bites into it, then they quench the blade, now the file doesn't bite because it is now harder. It is the same piece of material, but heat treatments change the properties of the materials. The crystalline structure changes.

    • @clement583
      @clement583 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@santiagoblandon3022 hardness and young's modulus aren't related, although it may seem so, try googling it, it's really fascinating

  • @sebastiaomendonca1477
    @sebastiaomendonca1477 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Metal heat treating has to happen at very specific temperatures to get the results you want. That D2 tool steel you used has an austenitization temperature of around 1030ºC, a lot higher than what the torch can give it. You didnt get a half-baked heat treat, you got no heat treat at all because you didn't get the steel hot enough to reset its microstructure. If anything, you may have actually softened it.

  • @coyoteknightforge2310
    @coyoteknightforge2310 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm curious as to how forged parts would compare. I'm sure they'd do better than the CNC parts, at least, if they were forged properly, due to the grain structure, but I wonder how they would do against 3d printed ones...

  • @Tapok2000
    @Tapok2000 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is stainless steel? 304 or 416? What is titanium? Pure or alloy? What is aluminum? By color, the aluminum that you took cut out by the machine looks like pure, and what is printed on the printer is clearly an alloy, I don't know what brands in the USA, but it looks like D16 in our country. A strange comparison. In addition, the cut samples were with broken geometry. Not much, but that's enough too.

  • @macyz
    @macyz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Work! 3D is susceptible to fatigue failure. Would be good to compare the fatigue life of 3d metals and CNC metal parts.