SIMPSON DESERT WON'T LET US GO!!

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  • @sebastianleacey9767
    @sebastianleacey9767 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This series is easily your best. Absolutely gripping... great work Ronny and Torbs!

  • @GeorgeSBlonsky
    @GeorgeSBlonsky ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Amazing trip Ronny.. as a photographer/camerman myself I'd just like to give a big "hats off" to the camera crew too who carried on filming through all the trials. Thank you for bringing us with you.!

    • @mediajunk
      @mediajunk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      seconded. Great shots also!

  • @bluntobject4084
    @bluntobject4084 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Torbs looked utterly defeated in that water before big red. Genuinely feeling for him there

  • @danielfaith1
    @danielfaith1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love re-watching this series, especially the recovery process of Torben and how he battles to the end with an injured truck.

  • @MicahBell_1860
    @MicahBell_1860 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That is not a problem at all Ronny. You just need to think laterally. 3 left turns = 1 right turn. No problem! Happy to help

  • @craigtuck1741
    @craigtuck1741 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    wow Ronny what a very hard 3 days, torbs was very lucky on the first bogging when the vechile jumped up and crossed the ruts. i thought he was going to role over. great to see the amazing team work to help all out. well done

  • @theSam91
    @theSam91 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I can't imagine the feeling of getting 2 cars stuck second night in a row, electrical fire in the one with only 2WD, less than 100k's fuel left...that was epic guys my hat is off to you.

  • @DailyGrindAus
    @DailyGrindAus ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow, that looked grueling. Torbs was a real trooper - looks like a hard and expensive trip. Great content for me to watch in the comfort of my own home...

  • @ericlawrenson7866
    @ericlawrenson7866 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great teamwork and support for each other. Well done guys. Loved the series.

  • @anthonyramsay8418
    @anthonyramsay8418 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The perfect example of how 'NOT' to cross a wet clay pan. A good action packed video all the same. Momentum can be sustained without the wheel spinning, fish tailing, kangaroo hopping antics. But, ten out of ten for the effort. Final thought " He is definitely, positively not borrowing my 4wd " loved the videos... thanks. Stay safe.

  • @joshuamclean6564
    @joshuamclean6564 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Great episode guys, what a drama. I think its worth having a look at some old Malcom Douglas shows. In particular Malcolm Douglas - Australia - One Wet Season (1984). Compared to modern vehicle setups, 4WD and camping techniques, Malcolm Douglas is far superior in every aspect. Vehicle is lighter, simpler to fix, less electronics to go wrong. Recovery in situations worse than yours was achievable with less. Malcolms ability to catch and cook meant it didn't matter how long he was in the bush he could feed himself and survive.
    I really think in this modern day and age we have lost the old skills which in my opinion are far superior. This all due to the heavy reliance on technology and at the heart of it consumerism.

    • @6226superhurricane
      @6226superhurricane ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Simon Franklin wouldn't make for good drama if they said it's rained so we're just going to camp out for 3 or 4 days until it dries out enough that we can carry on without ripping the tracks up.

    • @oggyoggy1299
      @oggyoggy1299 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Simon Franklin
      It’s just made up drama.

    • @einfelder8262
      @einfelder8262 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Agree. The car that caught fire is owned by an electrician....... I'm not an electrician, my Patrol has wires added for stuff, and I crossed the Simpson early September this year. Nothing caught fire, no tyres blew off the rims, did not get bogged despite plenty of mud sections. And I drove the big red lake obeying the sign which said "go straight on one track" and did not get bogged.

  • @strings689
    @strings689 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How did someone with so much "experience" just go full send and break so much stuff. Did torbs forget his brain before that crossing?

  • @nowthatsfunny8255
    @nowthatsfunny8255 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Theres an old saying in aviation-
    Aviate, Navigate then Communicate. Should of concentrated and stayed off the two way going over that salt flat

  • @redeyedmongoose2963
    @redeyedmongoose2963 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Might have a hard time convincing your friend to go four wheeling with you again Ronnie !

    • @jaymoar3561
      @jaymoar3561 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nah that’s his right hand man, that’s his bud.

    • @JeffBarnhart
      @JeffBarnhart ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The trips I remember the best years later are the more miserable ones. And they’re the ones the others still talk about the most and laugh about.

    • @Outland9000
      @Outland9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JeffBarnhart Yeah man... Often the toughest trips are the ones with the best stories.

    • @larsbee
      @larsbee ปีที่แล้ว

      aaah u know getting stuck and figuring a way out is as much fun as a successful rock climb ... so honestly I don't know what the fuss is all about ... and getting stuck with 3 wheel drive is to be expected...

  • @michaelnugara1
    @michaelnugara1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crikey what a massive full on trip. It was pretty obvious you blokes were over it. That crossing was a real eye opener.
    Thanks for sharing

  • @billnichol6473
    @billnichol6473 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did this and similar trips in 1963 & 4 with an International 4 wheel drive 1 ton pickup, not nearly as well equipped or powerful as your vehicles and only with ONE vehicle. Our saving grace was front and rear winches with a large 'spade' type anchor which allowed us to pull ourselves out of the worst holes. Without that anchor even with 2 vehicles I think we would still be there -- well our bones might be--.Well done guys, brought back many memories.

  • @vijayshan3804
    @vijayshan3804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hardship will either make, or break a man. Well done guys. Epic series. 👍

  • @kennethkien5060
    @kennethkien5060 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff Ronny and Torbs. You really had a blast. I liked the uncertainties and tension. Most gripping experience ever.

  • @stellularbeef7109
    @stellularbeef7109 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can you please do a in depth video of torbens electrical fire why it happened and how to prevent that from happening.Thank you and great video.

  • @jdenmark1287
    @jdenmark1287 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Lighter is better, simpler is better, slower is better. If you are going to go fast, go heavy, and go with more electrical gear, you better make sure you are low neurotic, or bring plenty of beta blockers.

    • @wilso7235
      @wilso7235 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just goes to show how much damage you can do when you go too fast. Good to watch though!

    • @teeanahera8949
      @teeanahera8949 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wilso7235 A few times on Fraser Island I’ve seen idiots doing over 100kph on the beach only to sail over a small creek crossing and hit a hidden bit of driftwood which has cactused their front suspension.

    • @DarrenBoxhall
      @DarrenBoxhall ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wilso7235 nothing but a weak driveline is the cause here

    • @johnshort4405
      @johnshort4405 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Darren Boxhall, don’t forget these vehicles are massively overloaded and are really being hammered by their drivers.

  • @jereme2008
    @jereme2008 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most epic adventure yet. You could tell this story a million times and everyone would still be listening. Great sharing your adventure on your channel. You all are living your best life, but I also understand to do this requires personal/family sacrifices. Would love to catch up one day and flap gums over a few frothies or JDs. I love how your passion has turned into a career. Very envious, no jealous. Enjoy every moment good or bad. Life is way to short. Big hugs 😃

  • @namwens1
    @namwens1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nothing worse than doing recoveries at night after driving all day. You don't know what exhaustion is until you've done this.

  • @stevens8744
    @stevens8744 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was one hell of a series, totally captivating.

  • @kadmow
    @kadmow ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a good series... We also experienced some of these conditions... No breakages fortunately...
    My wife and I were travelling the outback during the same time (Around the week of the Birdsville Races) , we experienced really wet / muddy from North of Cameron's Corner to Innamincka (only the Qld side of the border was open that day), then later on from Terowie SA (near Peterburough) through -via Lillydale Rd to the Silver City Hwy - Very wet , boggy tracks through station country... (The only way we could find along "public tracks" from Port Augusta to NSW without using the paved highways.)
    Coming back into NSW, EVERY dirt road in the state's west was closed - just like the Birdsville Track had been - when we were in Marree.

  • @petervosloo8598
    @petervosloo8598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice series enjoyed it a lot. This was a real adventure. Having a spare cv agree with you in not taking one as a plan can be made to stay mobile. Great work guys and lets not forget the camera crew.

  • @dolguldur4706
    @dolguldur4706 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thats why its very important to not just prepare your vehicle when you do touring in remote area,you also need to prepare a lot of mental strength when things went south..thanks roni,love these adventure videos..its another level

  • @jdjd8430
    @jdjd8430 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great series of videos Ronny, can't wait for the next instalment! Loving all your extended trip series, kimberley, pilbara, cross country and interstate, keep up the great work.

  • @BugbugAdventures
    @BugbugAdventures ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @10:08 theres a perfect chicken track on the left, why oh why did ronnie drive through the middle? unless its for content, in that case good one

  • @francoisrossouw1656
    @francoisrossouw1656 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tough few days at the office Ronnie, you lucky to have Torbs as a mate what an awesome adventure.

  • @migarenaliphios
    @migarenaliphios ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Ronny, that’s a 4wd adventure for ya. Wish we could see how you guys got to the end but it’s good you guys made it and heading back. It becomes a wild adventure when things don’t goes as plan like a movie which I love about Australia off-road channels. Looking forward to the next adventures and how they play out. 👏🤙

  • @bullzye101
    @bullzye101 ปีที่แล้ว

    what a awesome trip / mission guys .... lol at Torbs spars wheels come off omg ... luving it what a awesome view with the drone as well ....big thumbs up

  • @supramarco6775
    @supramarco6775 ปีที่แล้ว

    True. Amazing trip. Like watching a thriller movie. Gripping stuff. Well done so far. You all must have balls of steel. Excellent video footage from the cameraman. This type of action with a great team. Thanks for sharing.

  • @braydenclark5828
    @braydenclark5828 ปีที่แล้ว

    This episode and the last 2 is by far the best the best yet bloody enjoyed them hope too see a part 4 unreal work guys loving the content cheers for sharing

  • @DesertShredders
    @DesertShredders ปีที่แล้ว

    I live on the edge of the Simpson Desert in a community called Santa Teresa. The last few months have been super unpredictable. We had three straight weeks of drizzle and rain with nothing at all on the radar or the weather forecast. We’ve had a few other random downpours which turned the ground to mush with no prediction on the BOM. Makes the Simmo way gnarlier if you can’t rely on the forecast. Well done getting out!!! Wow!

  • @mozartheart2958
    @mozartheart2958 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I guess the CV was broken because the car is running tires above in size that factory spec.

  • @explore_moor
    @explore_moor ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome series Ronny. Great to see @Reconadventures Chris getting out on the road with the crew. Tell him to bring the FJ on the next trip!

  • @Stevej2013
    @Stevej2013 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was wicked gents. Also very well done on being prepared. As we have seen, shit happens and you need to be prepared for it.

  • @ta3000
    @ta3000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great series Ronny, Torbs, and camera crew.

  • @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080
    @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting fact: Ford F-150 uses the same CV axle on the driver AND passenger side so you only have to carry ONE spare part! Not to mention, the IFS works better in Mud. Something people might know by the lack of issues the camera car had.

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see a follow up of things you learned and noticed driving through all that mud.
    I had a similar experience in Mozambique where it rained for 4days almost non stop, but the family didn't feel safe driving, so we stayed put till the trails got better

  • @seanchristie7150
    @seanchristie7150 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic episode, earnt the experience points in that trip, looking forward to the next episode

  • @ledermanrobert
    @ledermanrobert 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing vid! 👌 Thanx! Keeping moral in these kind of situations is key! It never helps starting to act defeatist only spreads bad mojo in your crew. Decide on a game plan and work together. Great job guys! 💪👋

  • @yusufsayed2119
    @yusufsayed2119 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome , epic adventure 🤙
    You guys are TOPS 💯
    Well done over the salts , hats off to TORBS 🏁GREETINGS FROM SOUTH AFRICA 🇿🇦 👏 👍

  • @rockbiterhd
    @rockbiterhd ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job on keeping your team together it can get very stressful why it all goes to poo well done you blokes👍🍻🍺

  • @OffroadTouringLife
    @OffroadTouringLife ปีที่แล้ว

    This episode had it all!

  • @darwonboyful
    @darwonboyful ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let's go for wheel driving! It'll be fun! Ha ha man great video guys, not that I like to see people struggling but you really pushed through.

  • @simonburnby1997
    @simonburnby1997 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great instructional video on what NOT to do in every situation possible .

  • @akselwestby8353
    @akselwestby8353 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. What an adventure!!

  • @chappysktichen1624
    @chappysktichen1624 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best series yet

  • @einfelder8262
    @einfelder8262 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Coming up to big red there is a sign saying you must stick to one track only, the one that goes straight through. Both of you ignored that and strangely enough got bogged. The straight through track is deep but has a solid base.

    • @louiskudlak2241
      @louiskudlak2241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely

    • @joshlower1
      @joshlower1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except for when it's completely underwater and likely unpassable

    • @owenscott4145
      @owenscott4145 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also why didn't they go around and over little red?

    • @einfelder8262
      @einfelder8262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joshlower1 If the straight track that you are instructed to use is underwater and impassable, then you don't pass - or is that too hard to grasp? In that case, trying to cross beside the main track is even worse, apart from being irresponsible and disrespectful.

    • @einfelder8262
      @einfelder8262 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@owenscott4145 No content doing that :)

  • @stephencawrse9940
    @stephencawrse9940 ปีที่แล้ว

    Epic episode guys I'm just glad you got to Birdsville I hope you had a well deserved beer 🍻 or two cheers legends ☺️

  • @Dust-Till-Dawn
    @Dust-Till-Dawn ปีที่แล้ว

    great episode Ronney cant wait for the next one

  • @carlredmond3642
    @carlredmond3642 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really excellent filming and editing !!

  • @mikezog1030
    @mikezog1030 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Seems like the Prado is the most reliable of the lot...

    • @willmcc05
      @willmcc05 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would definitely be the lightest of the lot

  • @davidskeen4000
    @davidskeen4000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent !

  • @cristiana1373
    @cristiana1373 ปีที่แล้ว

    This i want! Adventure! Good luck gents!

  • @FourLowAdventures
    @FourLowAdventures ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed the series!

  • @Defender110SLO
    @Defender110SLO ปีที่แล้ว

    What an expirience. I drive cv in peaces with me had similar problem a long time ago. Since than as many parts as posible.
    Cheers. 🍻

  • @pholland6643
    @pholland6643 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good add for Prado

  • @siwood22
    @siwood22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to see the final car washing video post all this. Stout effort for sure

  • @dagsbouch
    @dagsbouch ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow what an adventure and a shit storm, just think in two years time the stories you will be reliving on the trip. It was good to be watching it.

    • @paulholubecki6386
      @paulholubecki6386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      in 2 years time his ruts will still be in that salt lake..

  • @martysib6547
    @martysib6547 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    More info on why spare wheels fell off please. Things like that should not be swept under the carpet.
    Marty from Perth

    • @Ronny_Dahl
      @Ronny_Dahl  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lots to chat about will be doing a follow up

  • @espadad7256
    @espadad7256 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving your videos man.from 🇰🇪

  • @richardorsulich4698
    @richardorsulich4698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Adventure, an unusual and exciting or daring experience. Your never going to forget this one.

  • @mitralex
    @mitralex ปีที่แล้ว

    Great trip !

  • @DieselDave
    @DieselDave ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." (Martin Luther King). Well done lads - PASS!

  • @willemstoltz1595
    @willemstoltz1595 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is what adventure is all about, go well for the rest of fhe trip.

  • @craigquann
    @craigquann ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely a rough trip, still beats a day at work. Nice to see a "less glamorous" video.

  • @johnnyyukon7887
    @johnnyyukon7887 ปีที่แล้ว

    damn grueling trip, but man, what a show! Awesome!!

  • @bjgtrev1970
    @bjgtrev1970 ปีที่แล้ว

    Had the same issues back in 2016 got stuck at Innamincka for 3 days the fun of 4 wheeling

  • @surfing4theloveofit
    @surfing4theloveofit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OMG what a trip , hat's off to everyone, maybe next time send the drone up to inspect the track first 😳 to get an advantage, hope all is well now, great vid guys 👍👍👍

  • @githinji123
    @githinji123 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm cactus" 💀💀💀
    This is one sick adventure.

  • @gianfrancoingegneri3291
    @gianfrancoingegneri3291 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great meeting u & torbs yesterday at the Adelaide 4wd show.

  • @rynoskii
    @rynoskii ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Plenty of great drama for vids to be found in the soggy desert.
    You guys looked shattered!

  • @ralphcatto3553
    @ralphcatto3553 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s going to be hard traveling with this rain but you guys will make it see you at the show

  • @CleanAndDistorted
    @CleanAndDistorted 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In a serious situation I can't help but laugh at "he can't turn right...which is obviously a problem" haha put that on a shirt

  • @johnbambo9036
    @johnbambo9036 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are we there yet? Epic!

  • @Bychosis
    @Bychosis ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did I miss the bit about how/why the spare wheels fell off or how you put them back on?

  • @RogerCampillo
    @RogerCampillo ปีที่แล้ว

    This adventure became too crazy mate!!

  • @TheJanope13
    @TheJanope13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man torbs is in for it, we’ve all been situations like that where nothing seems to go your way, one after the other. Oh well, those always make for the best memories and funniest stories to tell your mates after all the frustrations have been dealt woth

  • @mikehzz9848
    @mikehzz9848 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been there done that, the mud is a killer even when it dries under the car. It sets like concrete. If it rains out there I run in the opposite direction. Exhaustion of man and machine.

  • @wanderingambience799
    @wanderingambience799 ปีที่แล้ว

    The drama made the series! I know it was tough going but it made for good viewing 🙂

  • @Lordoftheflatbush
    @Lordoftheflatbush ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Serious offroad trip! The weight of these vehicles is really a disadvantage here.

  • @AndrewCastlemaine
    @AndrewCastlemaine ปีที่แล้ว

    Epic stuff!

  • @kelvinmulwa4883
    @kelvinmulwa4883 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am a fan of man and machine. This is awesome

  • @hightail4x478
    @hightail4x478 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is the best 4x4 show ,

  • @Nick_Spencer
    @Nick_Spencer ปีที่แล้ว

    meanwhile I'm just watching this to get a better idea of what I need for some light over landing and camping...Australians are great!

  • @shanesambo5633
    @shanesambo5633 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such an awesome video mate. Such awesome three videos.
    Absolutely loving this man.
    Amazing journey, mouth watering mate.

  • @djjames6576
    @djjames6576 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was reluctant to drive across those salt pans when it was dry a few years back.

  • @hardrockuniversity7283
    @hardrockuniversity7283 ปีที่แล้ว

    An ugly win is still a win. Good fortune to Queensland on the recovery. My weather report over here 10-22 says MORE rain.

  • @markrovers9360
    @markrovers9360 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you only had driven around the lake life would have been so much easier

  • @christophersaul
    @christophersaul ปีที่แล้ว

    Obviously lots of trials and tribulations, but it did make for some great (very well filled and edited) content. Keen to hear what causes Torbs’ electrical issues.

  • @richardwalsh5570
    @richardwalsh5570 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I certainly would always have a CV doing what you guys do and both having the same vehicle. Share different parts each.

  • @MadMax-cw3pn
    @MadMax-cw3pn ปีที่แล้ว

    I was out there last week. I did the Connie Sue hwy to Neale's Corner then the Anne Beadell to Coober Pedy.
    The track to Dalhousie Springs was just reopened.
    I did the French line to the Colson track crossroad and camped there.
    Next morning went to start the rig, only 10 volts in the battery!
    It had dropped a cell.
    A jumper pack is a must have and at this point decided to go the Colson track to the Madigan line and into Alice.
    Brought a new Battery. Supercheap had them on sale so that was a bonus. $180 compared to over $400 for the right battery for a Ford Ranger!
    The first part of the French line was flooded everywhere but passable.
    The Colson track runs between the Dunes so all hard packed sand the whole way.
    One good thing about all the rain was the Wildflowers were in full bloom everywhere.
    It was paradise out there and I never saw anyone for three days.
    Looking forward to doing the QAA next time to Birdsville.
    Fuel cost $3.10 a litre at the Pink Roadhouse.
    I brought 10 litres at a cost of $30) to support the new owners of the Roadhouse but didn't need any extra fuel as I can carry 210 litres.
    People were stranded at Dalhousie for three days before the road reopened according to a nice family I met at the Roadhouse.
    Me and the dog did the Fink Gorge river Run to the Lasseter hwy heading back home which was stunning.
    All up did 6000 klms in 12 days and man what a blast.
    Australia is great country but if fuel prices get much higher it will hurt any prospects for many to afford the travel.
    The lack of Wildlife out there was concerning.
    Only saw 6 Kangaroos, one Dingo and two Emus.

  • @SimonElenor
    @SimonElenor ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its why i keep my vehicles very simple. No gadgets or fancy switchs. Keep It Simple!

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer ปีที่แล้ว

    Tom cruise, the famous outback truckie once did a clutch in the middle of the desert, he made a new clutch out of a 44 gallon drum.

  • @anbu999
    @anbu999 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Torbs lost focus trying to reach the radio before the inc happened

  • @GrizzlyDude
    @GrizzlyDude ปีที่แล้ว

    Great series and I love your hair bro 👌

  • @peterbarber7613
    @peterbarber7613 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you were running out of fuel and food,that's just bad planning

    • @Ronny_Dahl
      @Ronny_Dahl  ปีที่แล้ว

      We had food extra for 3 days and fuel was burnt at a much higher rate than expected.

  • @cristianojoana1898
    @cristianojoana1898 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got the same issue last week , cv failure and the cvs bearing got in between the diff end head and the knuckle! Couldnt turn! Never saw this