What a CIA Operator Thought of The 13 Hours Movie and What Led To The Benghazi Attacks
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- Have you watched the movie 13 Hours, starring John Krasinski, James Badge Dale, Pablo Schreiber, Max Martini, and Tony Stephens? It is based on the 2012 Benghazi attacks, assaults on a U.S. diplomatic compound and a nearby CIA annex in the city of Benghazi, Libya, on September 11-12, 2012, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya - the first violent death of a U.S. ambassador since 1988. The incident sparked controversy and ignited a political firestorm in the United States. Bob "Ninja" Poras describes in detail how the GRS operators did the best they could with the hand they were dealt.
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Ninja what a legend Shawn your amazing beautiful stories great information no butting in just great talk real fake it is not... where's my gummies
I’ll take the side of the men that fought that day instead of a CIA or democrat take. I’ve listened to interviews of Oz, Tonto and Boone. I believe their side
Exactly. To hell with this guy.
The movie was exposing the US government UNWILLINGNESS to send help! That is what I got form the movie and in REALITY at the time!
Kris Paranto has said in multiple speeches that the militia that they thought ran away after the incoming mortars actually went and found the mortar crew and took them out. He has also said that points in the fight he had random libians in office attire taking a knee next to him engaging the attackers. It was Gidaffe's troops who ultimately came to their rescue also stated by kris.
The situation with the militia groups in Benghazi sound just like medieval to classical period armies just turning on each other and switching sides for the highest bidder and profit.
Something that modern western armies, especially US, are not familiar with.
Add in the language barrier, and there's no wonder that they had so much trouble.
That’s incredible and they even show in the movie people in office attire
Yea this guy here is CIA so you can be sure you won't be getting any usable information out of him. You are better of interviewing a wall.
Gaddafi had been dead almost a year tho
@lptrw5769 his tribe is still very much active in libya even now.
In all honesty, after reading the books and watching the movie, the movie itself is one of my absolute favorites of all time because the key thing I took from it, and the reason I watch it over and over again, is because it is a great story about how a small group of like-minded people can work together in extreme circumstances and do extraordinary things. So many obstacles were stacked against these guys, yet they overcame all of them together. It is terrible the loss of the ambassador Chris Stevens, the IT man Sean Smith, contract operators Glen Doherty, and Tyrone "Rone" Woods, and the other casualties. But they worked together, took care of each other, and fulfilled their purpose to serve and protect.
My wife watches this movie almost every night before bed lol I know it words for word practically lol
What makes it even better is it was a lot of those guys first time working together. All from different special warfare groups
Ambassador Stevens had dirt on Hillary Clinton. 🤷♂️
Hell Yes!
The dialogue is really legit, the only thing I don’t like is the opening scene, the cross pistol draws wtf?
Dang he said absolutely nothing for half of this video lol
I think "Tanto" would be an AMAZING next guess to put some clarity on Benghazi from his side of it
I get it from the Libyan side. I don't get it from the CIA officer and government side. Get your people out when you know the shit is hitting the fan
It's still amazing how that witch in the room has still not been made to account for her involvment, or lack there of.
Wanna a get political ? You talkin about Hilary ? Wanna know what really happened ? Obama's administration tried to increase the security in Libya . Nazi RepubliKlans voted against it believing the lie everyone loves America . Don't talk unless you use facts , stupid Nazi .
Don't forget Obama and Biden they were there also
Either the state department lied or the operators lied. This isn’t that difficult
True. I'll take the operators word over the SD any day.
Probably would have been good to have Tanto or Boon on this episode to ensure accuracy in reporting and their insights
Said a lot without saying much, but with many more words.
I personally think he is touching on a larger issue with US forgein policy, especially when it comes to committing military forces in a country or region, and that is that we fail, as americans, to acquire a deeper understanding of the history, ethnic tensions, culture etc. We often make the assumption that everyone wants to be like us, have what we have, value what we value, and that is simply not the case.
It’s exactly the same. You would not kill your own brother because your neighbor picks a quarrel with him. It doesn’t matter who’s wrong. We think they are lesser people, so they will act vastly different than we would. But it turns out that we’re wrong. Always wrong about this.
Gaddafi tried taking oil off the petrodollar and backing his oil with gold. After that he given "democracy" by the US gov.
@ROOSTER333 certain things you cant do
US Special Forces (Green Berets) who are front line implementers of US foreign policy know there theaters of operation better than the locals do. Plus Libya wasn’t the target of directed US foreign policy. The US monitored the Arab Spring, they didn’t cause it.
@Tyrone Wiggums that arrogance is why we lose, nobody is gonna know an area better than the locals. You just sound dumb saying shit like that
Thank you to all who have served and died for this country. ✌🏼🇺🇸
And thank you to all who served and are yet to die . Hopefully of a peace filled old age . !
Died for JEWS. these are all Zionist wars.
I can honestly say listening to the GRS guys tell the story made me feel exactly the same as when I watched Afghanistan fall. It is absolutely gut wrenching sorrow for what our piece of shit government chooses to do. Americans gave their lives in both instances and we were betraying people who we gave our word to, as a nation. I will never forgive them for what they have done.
We Canadians did the same, and I hear you - hard to forgive such a blatant betrayal.
How could we tell these interpreters & other directly hired Afghans that in exchange for their services, they will be flown out of danger to Canada...and 10+ years later, they didn't make it out during a last minute evacuation?
They shouldn't have still been there in the first place... f**king pathetic on our part 😔😡
Any self-respecting American would not work for our government in any capacity. They only serve themselves, and they hate America.
@@chrisburke624 Watch The Covenant by Guy Ritchie. Its about a soldier saved by his terp and him trying to get him and his family a visa. Amazing movie
2:24 "uhh. probably not. not a good thing."
in official document "senior CIA official" denied _immediate fast entry,_ from a near CIA compound, that had special forces inside.
“Libyan transport.. Still no Americans.” is the best line of the movie and encapsulates so much. The Obama White House and his Secretary of State, crooked Hillary Clinton, left them there to die and may have even served them up from the get go.
I always thought it was interesting that it occurred when it did, and the stripping of Riyadh armory that occurred at the same time
He was in in Baghdad, not in Benghazi consequently he says what he knows.
He explains very well what the dynamics are in middle east.
Which means he‘s generalizing what shouldn’t be generalized. Including huge disrespect to the locals that actually came to their rescue in the end.
@@christiangwenner6384 Not really, in middle east family relationship overrides any other ties.
Bottom line better to have a friendly CAP flying overhead because you never know who is with you and against you until you are under fire .
@@enricol5974 Even if we want to ignore that you're both generalizing two very different countries, hundreds of miles apart, in two very different situations, he's most certainly wrong about what happened that night. And while being wrong might be a minor concern, being disrespectful surely isn't.
With all due respect Americans are not the only ones that have "fighting spirit", pretty easy to point to history for that. The problem is it's easy for us to say "why are they not fighting?" when we don't have to live there after the dust settles. It's like people who act like they wouldn't be slaves. As if the problem was just the lack of "fighting spirit". I'm sure some of the militia knew if they fought (win or lose) their families likely would be killed, home destroyed, etc. Yes, the problem was the gamble on these type of people, knowing the position they are likely to be in if something goes down.
Exactly
His scared to say anything Hilary might get him
Wouldn’t be the first person Clintoncided!! Corrupt B****
Killary
That's honestly what I got from it too
But when she does he did kill himself😆😆
@@skullyjones8234🤡🤡🤡
The essence of that dynamic between an outsider organization [ U.S. State Dept./ CIA/ other western org. ] and local militias has been experienced and understood for decades. Bottom line, as I see it, is that American lives are expendable if you're sitting at a comfortable desk a few thousand or more miles away and you have another interest to placate. Just ask the Russian troops that got run out of Afghanistan.
The way they make the cia look like smug condescending pricks is pretty unbelievable. It does fit right into certain narratives though.
Don’t interview some one who will avoid answering your questions. Smh
The movie I will continue to watch on a regular basis. By far one of the greats
I’ve got Rones tactical gear and helmet from the rooftop final battle scene. They also threw in that messenger bag he was carrying right before they ran into the burning embassy. Kind of a move gaffe, one second he’s got it on then as he runs inside it’s gone.
Got it from The Prop Store LA/LONDON. So weird to have an item from a film you are watching and see it right next to you on a shelf !!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@russheins6458how much?
Interesting that He never specifically mentions the Secretary of State at the time but does allude to the chain of command all the way to D.C.. I heard there is a tie in to what happened at Benghazi and the way the Seal team that took out Osama Bin Ladin bought it.
I would love to see the guys from the Benghazi attacks on here
Everyone pissed about his response needs to learn what to listen for. He said far more than you understand, but also clearly stated he can't go into detail.
Sure ! I just fell off the turnip truck.
Baa Baa
@@davemalone4421 or been around and learned nothing, more likely.
@@blackbeard0323 You like him ? good !
watch it and try not to fall asleep.
@@davemalone4421 lmfao!
@BlackBeard03 If I told you the truth you might not find it funny..
Shawn it's time ro bring in Kris "Tanto" Paronto and maybe just maybe the real "Jack Silva"
Can't elaborate on "some administrative stuff." So what are you doing here? The administrative stuff is what Benghazi is all about.
We haven't been "guests". We've been invaders. Period. But these types of dudes will never say that.
If the Democrats and the Republicans went to war tomorrow, and Britain decided to back one side, are they invaders or allies? It depends on who wins.
The Enemy of my enemy is Not always my friend.
Couldn't imagine the feeling of those guys.. Waiting for some help and nobody is coming.. Just going out in a blaze of glory
Love that you don’t waste our time on a 2 min intro.
The whole two part interview was hard to listen to and follow. Maybe I’m dumb but I felt that he used a lot of words to say very little.
sean smith who died in the benghazi attack was good friend of mine who i met through a video game called eve online he was a top guy and real salt of the earth person i hope he is resting well .
May your friend have many Good Years in Heaven Rip. Bob13
R.I.P vile rat!!!
he was a good dude.
I knew Glenn Dougherty... He was a good man. RIP
it makes perfect sense. the US will leave and either them or their kids will deal with the aftermath
Thanks
While not in the same capacity as the characters in the movie, I worked as a security and advisor contractor in Afghanistan for five years. I honestly didn't think much about the movie. Watched about half of it and lost interest.
When you train folks that want to fight its different. Locals only fight for money or real killing of thier enemies and real help to do it.
This makes me think of the Civil War. Suddenly your supposed to fight your neighbors? They call people savages in other parts of the world because they fight over religion yet they’re civil enough because they know the ramifications. This guy made some powerful statements.
IF YOU ARE NOT OF THEM, THEY ARE NOT OU YOU!!
That part where Bob says that the Libyan Militias know each other.
This comes to my mind.
Tanto-"You have their phone number? How the f**k do you have their phones number?"
Networking... Community Organizing like Barry did to our entire government and institutions in 8 years....
Most people that are just corrupt or like movies and have a crappy poor life living in the middle east on falafel can actually become an acquaintance and maybe a local contact or friend even if they are not a goatfucker terrorist jihadi..jihadi
So networking does happen in the field from time to time and a favor is traded here and there if it does not involve treason... unless you were a part on the inner circle and staff of the Obama/Biden administration and HillaryClinton as your SOS...
So, networking probably... Tanto is quite crafty...even though he was an army dude...
Because they fought Gaddafi together and had to coordinate then. And they worked together for a while, before it all erupted in chaos and infighting etc.
I came to the same conclusion in looking at the conflicts we've been involved in the Middle East. America is always going to be stuck behind the 8-ball in this region because we seem to never understand that no matter what good we try to do in regions of conflict, we're always the outsider. We've seen it time and time again. I don't know how you can even call the Benghazi effort a 'diplomatic mission' when there were no established power structures in that country at all after Khaddafi fell from power. I know that's part of the gamble to help one faction gain power in expectation of a return on some investment but when it goes bad, it goes very bad.
Shawn, is there anyway you can bring an insurgent on the show? I served in Iraq and did CRAM, it's nothing to what you guys have done, but I would be curious on their side of some of the battles against the US. They seem to be not just dudes off the street with AKs.
That would be so f**king awesome actually, great idea!
We are told they hate us because of this & that, and most people just believe it. I'd love to hear the other side of things, directly from the horse's mouth sort of speak
@@chrisburke624 exactly! I interacted with the dudes who fixed the AC systems, cooked our food and washed our clothes. One was from Pakistan. They were cool and we didn't have any issues with them. It's a weird feeling on why someone wants to kill you and you them, while being complete strangers. I hear you
Ahhh yes. That would be an epic ending to the SRS. A great interview followed by Allah Akhbar and boom.
@@aztronomy7457 lmao!!!!!!!
@@aztronomy7457 I get that too lol idk maybe it could happen? The interview not the boom lol
This man criticizing the movie ticks me off, the men who lived it and were THERE were on site during filming. And him talking about them "whining", stfu they earned that right. If it weren't for the delays, the men that died that day would still be alive.
In afghan we always trained with the expectation of the locals running away, the client was aware and we even joked with the locals that they would run to which they always laughed with a spattering of acknowledgment.
Reminds me a lot of Iraq... Shia, Sunni, and Kurds. Shia and Sunni hate each other but both hate Kurds. We had to live among that tension when deployed in Iraq.
Felt bad for the Kurds though; gassed by Saddam in the 80's, overlooked by us during the war in Iraq, abandoned by trump so he could continue his favortism to Turkey/Russia--leaving Kurds to get attacked/bombed without our support.
I went up to the Kurdish area of Iraq for 4-day pass in my year deployed to Tikrit nearly 20 years ago now. The resort was one of Saddam's old ones in Northern Iraq. It was then run by Kurds and used mostly for 4-day passes for military deployed in Iraq. In the resort though, the Kurds had a big map of that area of Iraq but their area clearly bordered and labeled as Kurdistan. They're still waiting for their own country after all these years. It's sad af.
Behind Hillary Clinton. Thank God you are home. Never forget who you are.
Obama and Hillary didn't do a damn thing And never had to answer for it
No, they did plenty... who do you think gave 3 stand down orders and on the 3rd, relieved a 4 star of his command, took him into custody for observation and then sent a team to a certain aircraft carrier and relieved an Admiral of his command and placed him into custody for observation confining him to his quarters....
While they watched on live drone toob.......courtesy of John Brennan....
Honestly that was a screwup on abama and Hillary and of many other things
It’s amazing how close you can be to a situation and how deaf you can be to the purpose of the documentary of those events.
It's hard, for hard men, to live a Life of a double edged sword. A bitter sweet well of a career.
He says "stuff" a lot. Very ambiguous. Not very intelligent
Dude definitely knows he’ll get wacked by Hillary if he really ripped off the band aid
This sounds very politician like to me. A whole lot of words that mean nothing and didn't answer the question that was asked. The point of the movie isn't to deny that those men did amazing things and no body was complaining. The point is that they shouldn't have been left alone. They should have had U.S. support. They shouldn't have had to beg the locals for help which they knew they weren't going to get. You sir are the type of men that are destroying this country.
Even worse, because they did get a lot of help. And here’s a guy that had been a thousand miles away at the time, disrespecting the locals that actually did fight bravely that night.
What do you mean, ninja? I watched the movie, and it painted grs in a great light and doing great things in that movie to me.
Real talk, you can't really expect people fight there neighbors on there own streets for a foreigner, you honestly have to respect that. Foreigners will leave and they will stay. The malita did help them in a way, they didn't turn there guns on the foreigners.
I’m sorry, but that was not a compelling interview.
I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but I get the impression that Poras and Ryan would do the same thing as the locals did if this happened in the states. At least, I hope they would.
What kind of a disgusting comment section did I enter here. Everyone complaining about one thing or another. Shawn deserves better.
Far be it for people to write comments on youtube. Grow up.
He said so much but really didn’t answer the actual question. I guess he needs to watch his words but if your not going to answer the question then just say so.
He gave alittle just in a long story and he was asked if he could elaborate he didn’t think that would be a good idea. Guessing that he doesn’t wanna get offed
So what? You want him to give away specifics? What for?
This guy really doesnt answer a question and is hard to listen to and keep my interest
I was into Eve Online and one of those that died was a big figure in one of the biggest corporations in the game and the news spread throughout the game after. Pretty surreal because it made it feel more closer than something you hear on the news.
The tech guy? Goon/CFC
His warning of not falling in love with who we train reminded me of the new trooper indoc scene in Hamburger Hill where the 1st Platoon Sargeant introduces "Sir Nathaniel Victor" and how after his training is done, he's sure to be back hunting young troopers in the A'shaw.
Fuckin wild. Never thought I'd see the day where I sang along with "1, 2, 3, what are we fightin for?"
He basically gave a movie summary
first 5 mins, just nothing but babbling...lets get to the stories
An old Arab proverb: " I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I and my brothers and my cousins against the world."
He basically saying they can't shit the place they sleep or someone will take a dump on them
It seems to me that would be part of their Militia 101 class. You can buy people but you can't buy their loyalty.
Geopolitical realities and tribal affiliations that one would think the CIA would have known / studied before inserting themselves in a very volatile part of the world.
Exactly. This guy was former CIA and he REALLY believed the Natives would side with them in a fight??? Reallly????? The ONLY reason the locals were being nice to them is because they were getting paid American dollars. My god, it's like these guys have learned nothing from decades of failures.
supposedly CIA officers should have a graduate level education, but all they do in the field is throw cash at every problem they face, not as sophisticated as Hollywood likes to make it out to be
I was fully in, up unit he said, You cant outdo the American fighting spirit. Your patriotic, i get it, but how the heck do you quantify spirit? you don't think every other army in the world is lacking spirit? tell that to the soldiers in Ukraine.
Find me an army with true fighting spirit who isn't fighting on their own soil. It's easy to have fighting spirit when the enemy is in your backyard.
LOL Imagine believing one word out of anyone in the CIA...
Which of the two ex-CIA contractors in this video are you referring to?
@@daviddenney2698 any of them
... found the secret angent guys
I think the real question is what did Steven’s know. The rest is “collateral damage”
Wait. Do you wear and egger suit?
He knows a lot more of behind the scenes than he is saying. My thought has always been how does the farmer in Iowa benifit from a embassy Benghazi.
Straight up, he doesn't.
Its hard to see the benefit in connecting those dots, because you're right - those dots don't really connect.
In other countries it can make sense tho. A trade agreement with country X may allow that farmer to ship more of his product & hence expand his business. Or he might be able to get what he needs for his product cheaper.
In Benghazi, the embassy might not benefit the farmer in Iowa directly. But it could benefit the US as a whole with oil exports or imports, or gaining mining contracts for rare metals, or making sure terrorism doesn't take too much of a root there.
But I agree with you. There aren't many Americans living there, so embassy services are pretty much wasted because they serve no one, and the rest could be done via visits & phone calls... 🤷♂️
Well, supposedly, one of the theories, is that it had to do with Gadaffi changing over to a gold-backed currency which would've eroded the security of the U.S. petro dollar which if that happens, will make our currency even more worthless thus affecting every U.S. citizen's pockets.
@@markdavidson1049 ummm it has been happening for years now
@@markdavidson1049 so because you built your entire monetary and financial system on debt and fiat currency that gives you the right to destroy other nations because they want to build and develop based on their own wealth and resources ? You honestly think you are the good guys in this story ?
@@Rake3577holy sht that’s true tho
You use local people to protect you for their capability to provide you with information and help you avoid known threats.The only way they get in to a decisive firefight if they are doing it against their archenemies or they are not given no choice by dislocating them and landing them in the middle of the enemy.
I never understood why the the mortors weren’t used at the beginning to attack the embassy. It seems like the bad guys got it backwards
like the John Singer Seargent print on your wall and your show as well!
I would love to see Tom & Scot Spooner on the show 👍🏼
I was at the Villa 2010-2011 but went else where before it shut down.
Those guys are just fucking hero's no way other to put it. The film was incredible.
He said a lot of words but really didn’t say anything
Thats CIA for u
Shit I wouldn’t want a cia hit squad coming after me I don’t blame him
Mastered that art
No, he did say a lot of things but not on detail. He said there was shit communication from the White House, everyone knew that the militias guarding the compound weren't going to defend the americans if they had to fight other militias yet the higher ups were adamant that security of the compound should be from locals. Even when their local security run and left the americans alone their orders from the higher ups were to get in contact with the local militia that just fled their position to come back and fight to evacuate the ambassador.
Yea, thats what they do
I'm curious how loyal the interpreter was as portrayed in the movie
As a CIA operative you gotta take whatever comes they know what they are getting into
Most find out the hard way. It's common knowledge now. But wasn't so common early on.
Wow TH-cam, That was the most racist add I have ever watched.
Thank you.
U know he gave alot of detail without giving it that thousand yard stare says alot about a man yall rock 100 Charlie mike
You also saw it in the film where the police wouldn’t answer the phone
Exactly what happened in Tora Bora.
Hey Shawn did you ask fox if you could use that outro?
5:52 This is the bottom line. This is why the Afghans turned tail the very day we left, and why the French folded up like an origami goose when the Nazis invaded. Happens everywhere, all the time. Except the USA. Which is why we have to stop trying to train up, and worst of all equipping, these places. Very rarely does it work out, and even when it does, those weapons eventually wind up being pointed in our direction.
Love the movie watched a few times , read the the book a few times too . The greatest line out the movie was at the end I forgot who said it ,but it’s was something in the effects of if it was any other 6 guys the out come might be different. Throughout the movie you see them yelling out instructions but not to amongst themselves. The instructions were for the state guys or cia agents . That speaks volumes about their professionalism. The quality of each men.
Choosing words carefully
This was a terrible guest for the show. It was like listening to VP Harris answering questions. He obviously can't talk openly so it doesn't translate as interesting at all.
Very telling. Change policy accordingly
In CIA ground branch there’s blue badge wearers who actually are paid CIA employees and Branch guys
The Branch guys often know less then they think even with their compartmentalized clearances. They’re all ex Spec ops from all branches. They’re taking orders from CIA officers moving assets (who are paid by USA) into combat against tribes or groups who won’t play ball with us. These locals can be a bad guy one week and for right price “good guys” couple weeks later. I said “moving” or “supervising” into combat they’re supposed to stay a certain distance from target and let the locals they’ve trained hit the target supervising air, actions on obj, comms yada yada although a lot don’t. A good buddy and former teammate of mine survived a brain shot getting too far into final assault on a target while in Ground Branch. In reality they have no idea what the overall gameplan is only the incompetent politically owned paid off compromised over educated (Full of Ivy League) idiots running the CIA know the true plan which they’ve proven time and time again to fuck up. You are not defending the USA working for them that ship sailed in Vietnam. You are battlefield shaping for NWO.
Well,
That's text book...
🤣🤣🤣
So the movie should have come out and showed something but when asked if you would your answer is “no they prolly wouldn’t be good”
Man this whole episode this guy was a total flop. He never did anything or wasn’t in anything that was mentioned.
Maybe he doesn’t want to be on the Clinton’s hit list!
If in watching this video, you were looking for an indictment against Clinton, you didn’t get it.
The wars that are designed to be endless - for the benefit of the few. Namaste x
Like pulling teeth…bad story telling
The choice to rely on local security was Chris Stevens the president and the secretary of state advised Chris Stevens that a security detail would not be ready to go for 2 more weeks, Chris Stevens insisted that his network with locals could provide adequate security despite the fact that things were heating up in Bengazi.
Where did you find this information? Everything I have seen since it happened was about Stevens requesting additional security and alerting the Obama administration to the growing threat in the area. I'm pretty sure the movie also showed Stevens informing his superiors about his security concerns.