0:00 On This Episode 1:02 Intro 1:17 Coffee Shoutouts 4:35 Rockshox Judy Lockout 5:54 Realtime Review Begins 11:03 Jumping Test 14:48 The Scoring and Results 19:27 The Conclusion and New Bike Teaser
Absolutely love your content. I always check your reviews when making a decision on anything that goes on my bike. I'm a bigger guy 6'4" 230 pounds so your tests provide me with way more information than everybody we else. Keep up the great work.
Great review, you rated the Judy at right about where I expected it. Aside from weight, there's always going to be some subjectivity, but probably none as much as in "look and feel." What's cool to one might be fugly to another. Also, plastics range in quality, and if properly spec'd, might look cheap but are reasonably durable. It'd be interesting if you compared two total count columns, one with "look and feel" factored in (the overall) and the other without (just the performance).
Hey thanks man! Ok, so we were actually talking about this the other day and this was our conclusion. Every rating we give is our opinion from the looks to the performance. Our purpose of our channel is to give people a glimpse into our relationship as well as share our thoughts and feelings about mountain biking on a budget. If we were to separate our ratings it would in our opinion diminish the unique perspective that we provide. Example the RockShox Judy fork has good smooth action but a horrible rebound adjustment feel, therefor the operation of the fork takes a slight hit from bad user adjust ability and feel. We understand that the way we do things is frustrating to some, but trust me it is a little more thought out than it appears😜. I believe that we have provided all of the individual category ratings on all of the forks so if you want to rank them by purely performance categorys we would love to hear about the findings😋. Hope this helps-John
hi guys, for the judy, you should try 85PSI with the rebound completely open (toward the rabbit). when you add more air pressure, you need to slow it down and i think you did the opposite if i got that right. also having a tune for the trail and a different one for the jumps is completely normal, i have a different setup if i go trail or bikepark. Also, messing with only one parameter at a time would help you narrow it down. (i'm running 85psi in my recon full open and put 1click toward slow when at 90). Also a lack of lockout sometimes means it missing oil in the dampner and the fork would need a service but on a new fork idk man.
Well thank you for the rundown, we will see how they play out and can I add oil?? Like without tearing down completely? Thanks and hope to see you on the next video coming out 8pm!!SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS just woke up with your new video. Usually kev central is the first to cover interesting schwinn bikes but you beat him to it. As for the oil, technically yes (remove the air and unescrew the right top side, remove the dampner and there is the oil bath) but i wouldn't do that as to perform properly the dampner need a specific amount of oil. Putting too much will lower the availible travel and reduce proper dampning. So unless you remove all of it and put the correct amount back in, i wouldn't touch that. (At least it works this way on rockshox motion dampner like in the recon, i believe the tk one is super similar).
Man thank you for saying that about u beating Kev!! LOL We tried very hard to be the first one out with a review:) Now I also appreciate the fact you mention basically if it works then why fix it:) Very cool you understand man, thanks Sim-and dont worry we sill got your pics in the EMAIL!! HA HA See you Tuesday man for the Realtime Review of the ASCENSION!
I recommend using the Rockshox Trailhead App if you have any RS fork. You enter the serial number, type of bike ( Mtn or Ebike), and your weight. It gives you the recommended pressure and rebound setting, great for a starting point. I used it for my RS 35 Gold RL and it was spot on for 25% sag. I rode it at that initial setting for the first 6 rides to allow it to somewhat break in. Afterwards I adjusted the pressure and rebound gradually to my liking, I went with a bit less pressure for more sag (closer to 30%) and one less click of rebound because I prefer a bit softer fork travel.
Agree on the softer overall feel, hopefully I can get them dialed in but we will have to do it the old fashion way!! We have flip phones!!!🤘 as always thanks John and see you at 8pm!! SCHWINN ASCENSION!!!
N4ML CEO of Gue Tunes Just recently jumped in to mountain biking from my commuter. Recently I obtained a nice hardtail with loads of upgrades minus the forks. Luckily I found a set of these in stock yesterday! Thank you for the awesome reviews! I can’t wait to remove my stock forks and hit a trail based upon the in depth analysis!
HA HA We are VERY SCIENTIFIC!!! LOL Thank you for watching us and commenting man. Good luck with the fork and so happy we could help a little. Let us know what you endup going with!! Later man and thanks again.
Surprised the lockout didn’t work for wolf dad. Works very well on my set. They are heavy though. For the price though, tough to beat other than the Markhour perhaps.
Sure is man, in mean 169? Thays a great deal on that fork, I would def buy again. Thanks man be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
On the lockout. What I noticed with my ENIX was that out-of-the-box the lockout was not very functional ,,, but after the first ride it worked as expected: a few mm of give (soaks some vibration), then solid. Could be the Judy behaved the same.
As someone who works at a shop, and works on a ton of these, I can tell you that the rebound know is supposed to stay in the fork, it's just a fancy name for the rebound knob.
I agree with your score. I feel X Fusion and Suntour are a great value for performance. Even if you get a high end XFusion and Suntour it will be half the price of a high end RockShox and Fox.
One thing to consider when rating these forks is the ease of ability to find the necessary parts to service the fork. Rockshox service kits are easy to find. Some of these others don't even have that option.
Well we don't recommend things, so this is one of those the buyer needs to do their homework situations. This subject would be something for another kind of ratings or segment. When rating the forks we rate them based on our own opinions and what we think about the performance of the fork in the categorys that we rate them on. We don't consider things like rebuild-ability or long term performance in our ratings system for a number of reasons, most of which is we currently have about 11 forks and it would be impossible to test for any long-term reliability issues. The official Wolftick rating system is 100% intended for entertainment purposes only along with just about every other thing we do. Maybe in the future we will consider a segment on what forks you can get parts for. Thanks for the comment, we hope this explains our reasoning at least a little😂.
Man right back at ya!! Hopefully the King family can watch us all together tonight for the SCHWINN ASCENSION VIDEO!! Much love and thanks for the awesome comment.
Yooo shout out to these 2 bros!!! I like biking for exercising and to get out to do something different from my regular routine. I'm not an entire newbee at riding or bike maintenance/upgrades but far from an expert.lol. But definetly happy I found you guys. You both seem honest and cool along with doing reviews on budget items!! I like riding my bikes but I can't justify buying 2-3k bikes or $600 bike parts. Another plus is one of my bikes I recently started upgrading is the GT, even in the same color. So convenient for me to see what items fit and ride well with it. Keep it up 🤙. subbed
Well man thank you for checking us out and subbing brother. Thanks for understanding us and getting our humor! You are gonna love next Tuesdays video LOL. Glad you found us as well and thank you so much for commenting. Later ElCheDeNy 94
Nice unbiased, non brand name factor review guys. I dig the rating scale scoring because it keeps the review honest. I agree that just because it’s a Rockshox doesn’t make it #1. 3 is fair, but I was hoping for the #1 spot because I’m biased! Lol great video 🤙🏾 🤙🏾🤙🏾
hey guys just to know the x-fusion enix isn't available anywhere, I tried ebay, amazon and just plain googling it and no one sells them anymore. I wonder what happened.
Still got a potato quality bike check coming soon, I broke the rear cassette on my main ride so it's down at my local bike shop waiting for the new rear hub, I'll definitely do one on my oldschool full suspension and one on my bmx, keep shredding 😎🤙
BERSERKER!!! Watched the Gary and loved it:) Thanks for the shoutout and YOU NEED TO PUT COMMENTS ON!! Dad told me to tell you that ha ha they are off. Hope the shop gets you rolling again and cannot wait for that sweet a@# fly bike! Later BERSERKER and see you at 8PM tonight!!! SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!!
Thanks Caleb! It's a heck of fork Nd we shall see how they play out. Hope Hope to see you and Braden at 8pm!! SCWHINN ASCENSION INITIAL IMPRESSION BABY! SEE YALL THEN👌
Rockshox Recon RL? How would you score the Recon RL using this rating system? I know they're not budget, but it would help to get sense of what the extra $$$$ buys. And what we give up going budget.
Man we will do a true rating for them along with the trace tc34 and a new fork we just ordered! So hang in there man, we wanted to keep a below 200 and an above, so hopefully soon enough this summer we can get one out. Thanks again David👍👍👍
Currently building a Specialized Rockhopper FSR XC into a 27.5 / 26 mullet. It initially has a Rockshox Dart fork but it has definitely seen better days. I want to keep it a relatively budgeted project. The Judy was intro. to me and videos sealed the deal. Stans tubeless are next
Hell yeah man!! Sounds great, if you can find the Judy for $169....GET IT!!!! Also we have a video on the stans BABY!! LOL Hope to see you Friday Rich, thanks for watching:)
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Good news,I was able to get the Judy and to my surprise it came equipped with the lockout remote. Everything was installed with no hiccups. Any suggestions as to want settings I should run? Air pressure/ rebound setting? BTW.... my weight is about 180.
NICE:) Man it ll depends....What kind of riding you do? I run ours at try running the rebound at half then work up or down from there, as for the air maybe 95ish??
Thanks guys. You should test the original fork also to get that on the board. It essentially cost nothing so it could show, is it actually worth keeping this compared to some of the others.
Awesome man! Thays too cool and how exciting👍👍 looking forward to your feedback brother, thanks man and be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
I really want to know what the conversation was about before the intro... 😂😂😂 Great review guys, really good to see a comparison to others forks too and your scoring system seems very fair, nice work! 👍 Got my recons on tonight, so hopefully get a chance to try them over the weekend. Dammit Wolfman, 3 beers?! What are trying to do to me man?! 😂🍻 Definitely need a beer review segment. Great video as always, take care boys 😎🍻🍻
Beer segment coming up!! Lol you dont want to know what the conversation was🤣🤣 review was fun and I agree with you lol. Get down here so we can have some drinks together says dad!! Ha ha hope to see you at 8pm SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
I can’t seem to find the x-fusion enix online. The link below says the seller no longer has the item available, and it’s not listed on x fusions website.
Solid review guys! Had a feeling it might come in either below or above the Suntour. I was really close to buying the Epixon but I was the told the OEM/cannibalized parts inside some of the ebay listings can be a roll of the dice in the long-run. Probably personal preference/bias, though. If X-fusion made a sub-$200 fork for a 29", I'd be all over that. Either way, great to see the Judy finally on the board. I have the 29" wheel version on 2.4" tubeless tires so I wonder if that makes a difference, compared to your experience. I'm one click off of fast with 160-170 PSI (I'm 6'5") and never seem to blow through the travel like you were, but there are so many variables to consider. A few local shops here have passed on a rumor that Rockshox brought back the Judy name to potentially phase out the Recon so that might explain some of the cheaper features. As always, keep up the great work!
Well written man, thanks for the comment and enjoyed it. We like the x fusion stuff for sure but the suntours! They are nice as well but like you said the factors play a big roll. People sometimes dont account for that but anyways man be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! THANKS
10:15 that key will fall out. it did on Rock Shox Tora fork I had in 2010, I set it and took the key off, but on some models they use a red dial that can't fall out.
Got a GT aggressor a year ago( because it was a childhood dream to have a Gt bike). Got a rockshox Judy tk silver 100mm travel for 169$, that’s the only travel available at that price point. Was it worth the purchase or should I return it and spend more? Not a super jumper because I drive for a living and can’t be sidelined from work. Any length of criticism is welcomed for advice.
Hey brother, now the Judy is a sweet for and probably right up your alley as far as not being a jumper. I would say ot plays to your benefit very much and not so much ours. Also the fork is a steal at $169, DAMN GOOD DEAL!! Stick it out man, ride the hell out of it, then if she dies rebuild her!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS thanks for the reply, that was fast. Guess it was a hidden consideration because of many rebuilding kits that rockshox has to offer. Paid 383$ out the door at dicks sporting for the Gt aggressor because I asked for a prior price matching and the wife wouldn’t approve of an 800$ mtb. But I did sneak in a new 600$ semi auto shotty! She luvs gunz too.
HELL YEAH!!! I knew it!!!!! I have a buddy who threw the Judy on his bike and my suntour felt better and lighter. So glad to see you guys back on the trails!
Ha ha ha yeah us!! Lol they felt not as good I guess, I truly thought they were gonna place 2nd but very cool scoring. Thanks man and glad to see ya, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
Not bad at all man, the GT thankfully has a bigger cockpit, the Comp on the other hand is small, so it changes the geo a bunch with it. I would check em out!
Same with suntour xcr 32 air it comes too stiff I let a small bit of air out of it now it's gone right down too soft and the front of my bike is lower than the rear.
Ok, for the money, which would you choose: The RockShox (169.00) or the Bucklos (113.00)? I have both now to install on one bike. They ended up shipping the RockShox after they said it was out of stock. Now I have both and I am going to return 1. You chose which one I keep and which one I return.
I would definitely choose the RockShox over the Bucklos the reason is because RockShox will have a much better build quality also can easily get replacement parts for the RockShox if something does happen to the fork.
Man I would agree with the other fellas, rockshox you will be able to rebuild and find parts to do so. For 50 dollars that's what I would do!! Long term s'more reliable I'm sure as well, not that the Bucklos arent but not too sure yet. Be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then, Later man!!
Yeah a little is normal for these, not that much though. Our Recons don't give nearly as much as the Judys do. After riding the Judys they have slightly improved but still give too much. Thanks
I just bought a GT Agressor Pro used but it’s basically new. It came with deity saddle, pedals and lockjaw grips. All great stuff. I put a new headset and a 720mm handlebar on it so far. I am in love with this bike. It’s an xl frame and since I’m 6’3 200 lbs, it’s fitting like a glove. I want to do the 1x setup and a million other upgrades. I have a friend that is a mobile bike mechanic and he works for a huge company. I would like to know an opinion from anyone that can tell me what’s the best fork upgrade that will fit this bike for under $300. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also, I LOVE this Chanel. You and your dad are the best. You guys give the best advice and you’re hilarious.
Well thank you so much brother for the support:) I know that sounds cheesy but its true ha ha. Now Since you are a big dude you may take a look at these suntours. They make a good product and we have the suntour epixons as well:) they rated a #2 on our fork shootout above rockshox-anyways man we have heard of some bigger guys riding these and they like here is an affiliate link and its a 120mm and it comes with a remote!ebay.us/VjXeC2 Good Luck man!!!
Thanks so much for the reply. You guys rock. For real it’s so nice to see such genuine people demonstrating upgrades to budget bikes. I love that. Normally it seems if you don’t own a $2k bike that nobody wants to hear what you wanna say. It’s great to see what you and your dad are doing. I’m a fan forever.
Hey!!! I'm up in top 5 comments. Love the videos... id like to see more of a side view of when your jumping. That way WE can see the shock move from the side...
Another great review and reason to keep my money in my pocket. My bike came with the sr suntour raidon and was thinking of switching it out. Now I don’t think I will, unless it completely breaks somewhere down the road. 🤙🏽
I'm torn between the bucklos and the Judy. $80 difference. I'm upgrading a $400 big box bike... Which one to go for!? (Current shock is garbage, rest of the bike is great!)
Man go with the Jusy, especially if you can find it.Worth the money and you can find parts ANYWHERE!!! Judy it is!!LOL Good luck brother:) Or watch our Realtime review of the Epixon??Got another fork review coming out FRIDAY!
Man I did it two times and just about did!! LOL Thats why I had to give them a 10 out of 10 for big stuff, a bunch of other forks would of crumbled under that pressure:)
that lockout seems to be defective on the rockshhox fork. usually lock out on Rockshox lock out stiffens the fork up but allow it the oil to blow off, so fork to compress on hard impact, that one does not seem to do that, or the dial might be assembled wrong so it does not fully change the compression to fully lucked, but as I mentioned it's not a complete lockout, that could damage the fork, they have a blow off built into it. so not like on mechanical lock outs where you turn the dial and thus turning a a key to lock it. this fork has a hydraulic lockout, which has a tube that gets gets the openings covered more as you turn it, but once you hit a curb they should compress. So unless they did something different with this damper, that's how it always worked. I think it probably is defective or installed wrong, so you should contact the retailer and as for a warranty replacement. but they might have made the damper too sensitive to bumps in the locked out position, so might not work for heavy rider.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS time to circulate? I don't know wha tyou mean if you mean lubricanting oil in lowers at the bottom of the fork Tha that's nothing to do with the damper other than lubricating the fork, but the oil inside the damper should be there and move thronthe ports, which the lock out closes off.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS you might be able to swap damper yes. I don't know which ones are compatible. Make sure it sone that fits into 30mm stanchion fork. It has to have smae thread and diameter or it won't fit.
I rebuilt a recon silver RL that has the same style damper and the oil level in the damper side is really sensitive. Too little oil and the lockout is pointless. Too much oil and the damper won’t work right. The rockshox book does say it’s not supposed to be a full lockout though.
Solid contender based on value. I just came across an adapter from Cane Creek that allows you to use tapered stearing tube forks in a non tapered headset. This would open up the available options for the Agressor Pro. I need to do more research. Thanks for the great review.
For sure man, I have looked into the cane creek but the adapter is a 44mm, so I think the GT would be out because of the 34mm sizing?? May be wrong though....let me know asap!! Ha ha thanks man and be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Well that was quick research. I verified your findings on the cane creek adapter. I guess it will either be the RockShox Judy or the X-Fusion Enix. Thanks again.
so basically you need volume reduction, so need to use tokens(what rockshox calls air chamber volume reducing spacers) but I don't know if that fork has that feature, some cheaper models don't, so some people but wine cork in theirs, or 3d print their own. but optimally you want it to be secure and not come loose, but even rockshox tokens can come loose, they did on Single Track Sample's enduro bike, so it made clack clack clack sound. cus they got unthreaded, but he did big jumps, rode hard, so not surprising. also make sure to regularly check the top caps on the forks, they can get loose too, even on a xc bike. So that's why they should have some Loctite on them. but you should regularly check them. I am writing from experience. but as the dad mentioned you should have made sure rebound damping setting was set properly.
Yeah I really should have, now there is or is not a damper? I thought a damper was an overall adjustment you could make to the compression knob/lockout? Im confused....
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS a damper is the thing on the right, Tha that's compression or/and lockout and rebound, a damper is not the adjustment it self but the actual damper unit. Damping, is a wha the damper does, rebound damping, compression damping, on high end forks you can see a fast, low speed adjustment for both. not to be confused with ampening making something wet 😁
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS you are confusing damping adjustments with a damper, but this is a budget dmaper so only has basic lockout and rebound adjustment, my fork has fast and slow rebound adjustment, fast and slow compress ion damping which dampens the fork compressing at high and slow speed hits. So that's all adjustments with dials on a high end damper on a fork.
Hey guys, got a gt aggressor pro a couple years ago, followed along to upgrade some of the parts. Im looking to get a new rear axle so I can pull my son in his burley trailer. Can you tell me the rear axle measurements? And whether you have a recommendations on the one to get.
Are you going to review the rockshox recon rl and see where it places on the list i would be interested to see where it places i purchased one after watching your guys video of the schwinn taff with one on it. anyways thanks for the great content you guys do and all the money you spend testing stuff for us.
Yes sir thank you for being a PUBLIC subber:) That helps and so does you commenting. We will do a scoring for them along with the Xfusion Trace rc34 and we have a new fork coming in as well! So since they are not considered "budget" that is the reason we have not scored them with the others, and we need a bigger sample size:) SEE YOU AT 8PM FOR OUR NEW BIKE!!!! LATER MAN!
The Judy fits without any modifications if you get the straight steerer tube version of the fork. You don't have too, but we suggest changing out the headset while you have it taken apart. Here is an affiliate link: ebay.us/8Re27e
Remember kids, stealing bikes is WRONG!! Clearing hedges(long collective of bushes) and ditches(V shaped water pits) of rubbish is probably ok... (and environmentally good) I have new parts ordered for the now 'environmentally friendly👍' vengeance, more details to follow over coffee 😉☕ Have a great weekend😎🍻
🤣🤣🤣Love the Public announcement:)!!! We look forward to your nonsense and always get a laugh ha ha im glad you do as well. Later man and enviormently friendly LOL!!!
Interesting video an nice action footage. I'm curious about your audio recording on the bike, maybe a microphone from the helmet cam to inside the helmet?
Yeah I absolutely hate Gopro audio. We have played with the separate sound recorder idea but we haven't fully committed to it yet. We might try it again soon because the realtime audio is just horrible. Thanks
A HA you must have sausage fingers like dad!! LOL I just looked up the extension kit and not too sure if this will work but if I were going to tackle it, wold order this one:) Good luck man and it is an affiliate link, so we get a little kick back at no extra charge to you, thanks!ebay.us/J0NtPV
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS haha totally.. love the videos by the way and thanks! I really wanted the x-fusion Enix but only a few distributors in Canada and something like a 3 month delivery time so here we are lol
Hahaha yeah we have been collecting forks for a minute to do that. We currently have 3 with one on the way. The series should start in a couple of weeks if not sooner.
I'd be curious to see how they would fair against something like the Manitou Markhor. I'm riding a set on my old 26" mtb and picked them over the RockShox LOL.
Really? Well I like that, we have seen them and we are not crazy about the backwards crown...lol dont think we could do it!! Thanks man but who knows??👍👍🤣
I didn’t see that coming! Third place just doesn’t seem right. Mind you, on a e-MTB, weight really isn’t a issue. The worse thing about the Judy is the cheap plastic lockout lever (which btw: can be easily upgrade to a more durable metal one). Dialling in the Judy for me was really simple given that I don’t jump the bike. I still think it’s a great fork for very little money and WAY better than the stock Suntour’s that came with my bike.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS The main issue being weight and there is no denying that these forks are no lightweights. Like I said, on an e-Mtb this isn’t an issue........
Nice video.. Does wolf dad count your personal feeling twords a product when grading?? I only ask because that's a factor in the final score. I've used 3 of the forks on your list Judy's are the best bang for the buck in my view.. Stay frosty brother
Alright wolftick fans and wolftick son and senior. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I think the best budget forks are the x fusion enix. I like to upgrade mine so please give me your feedback.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yes sir. I did see the review video. Now where do I get me a hold of a xfusion enix fork? Thanks a lot for your response and videos… 🍺
@1x1 Chave Hey man The Tick is working on some links for you right now. Thanks and I will keep it up haha. We both answer comments on here so it can be confusing.
Man a tore up shinn, I was actually jumping at hot springs and not while jumping but on the way up my foot slipped and the pedal drove about 8inches top to bottom and dug all the way to the bone. Nasty scar and needed stitches😉 That's it so far
A lil heavy, not terrible.. no jumps near here... but seems like it'll "soak" up anything on the ground ... rough gravel/dirt trails would be a breeze...
Lol!! Will probably "soak" for sure!!🤣🤣 I love it, thanks for watching us brother, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
Hmmm......well in the initial impressions we measure everything and the stanchions measure to be 120mm and we used every bit, so maybe these did come with the full 120. As for the jumping department we always take them to the jumps, just to get a good all around idea for people. Thanks for watching brother!
Thats weird that should deff fully lock out you might want to contact rock shox. i have never seen them not lock out lol and yeah they are kinda heavy i replaced my rock shox recon with the fox 36 and its night and day difference. Also for most rock shox forks i always run 5-10lbs more than they recommend and that key wont fall out and if it does u can always use a small allen key lol
Good to know man, I would love to try some fox 34s but they need to be about 200 or so😉 Totally not gonna happen ha ha thanks steve and hope to see you around 8! Schwinn Ascension BABY!!
Well we did reviews on both, and you see were we ranked them, so the real question is which one do you think you will go with? Two things to remember are the Judy's are about $20 dollars cheaper and a 9mm qr for $169 vs the Epixon's 15mm thru axle at $190ish. They are both good forks. Let us know what you decide.👍
Like to see side view of the jump and the landing the rockshock is the best Fork you have only thing better is Fox 🦊 Rockshock 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🚲 I think your dad had too much to drink thinking you was going 22 mph it look like three or 4 mph I can see where my magic eyes 👀
I did research comparison of the Judy vs the Epixon before settling on the Epixon so I agree with these results. Also, the TK is a turnkey damper, not quite a full lockout. The damper is a let off also so that's probably why it doesn't quite lockout.
Nice and so glad you agree!😉 we enjoyed it and looking forward to he next. Thanks for the info and may be the reason. Be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! schwinn ASCENSION BABY!!!
Ha ha start taking shots!! Ha ha hey man wanted to let you know we filmed the realtime on the Sidewinder as is!! Because of you lol. Gave you credit and oneday you will see ha ha, also be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! 8pm Schwinn Ascension baby, you need one!!!
Jeremiah and John said you both are coffee drinkers have you ever drink 10 cups of coffee together within an hour I think that would be an awesome challenge between the two of you
0:00 On This Episode
1:02 Intro
1:17 Coffee Shoutouts
4:35 Rockshox Judy Lockout
5:54 Realtime Review Begins
11:03 Jumping Test
14:48 The Scoring and Results
19:27 The Conclusion and New Bike Teaser
Absolutely love your content. I always check your reviews when making a decision on anything that goes on my bike. I'm a bigger guy 6'4" 230 pounds so your tests provide me with way more information than everybody we else. Keep up the great work.
Good to see impartial review, not being 'forced' to give high praises just because it's big brand. You soaked up that pressure really well 🤣
Ha ha thanks man they did descent "soaking" everything up!! Lol
Beer reviews by the Wolfman is sorely needed.
🤣🤣🤣🍻🍻 Cheers S Lin
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@@Artnahc man its nice to see you are still here brother, ever find a bike?
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yes sir. Picked up a Marlin 5. Do you know of any decent and super budget friendly droppers?
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You're the only person I got to talk to you this time of night man you're awesome being sick and all
hope you have a speedy recovery man:)
I just got an Epixon largely because of that weight discrepancy! Loving it thus far!
Hell yeah Blake, the epixons are such a good grab. Next get the x fusions!!
Great review, you rated the Judy at right about where I expected it. Aside from weight, there's always going to be some subjectivity, but probably none as much as in "look and feel." What's cool to one might be fugly to another. Also, plastics range in quality, and if properly spec'd, might look cheap but are reasonably durable. It'd be interesting if you compared two total count columns, one with "look and feel" factored in (the overall) and the other without (just the performance).
Hey thanks man! Ok, so we were actually talking about this the other day and this was our conclusion. Every rating we give is our opinion from the looks to the performance. Our purpose of our channel is to give people a glimpse into our relationship as well as share our thoughts and feelings about mountain biking on a budget. If we were to separate our ratings it would in our opinion diminish the unique perspective that we provide. Example the RockShox Judy fork has good smooth action but a horrible rebound adjustment feel, therefor the operation of the fork takes a slight hit from bad user adjust ability and feel.
We understand that the way we do things is frustrating to some, but trust me it is a little more thought out than it appears😜. I believe that we have provided all of the individual category ratings on all of the forks so if you want to rank them by purely performance categorys we would love to hear about the findings😋. Hope this helps-John
hi guys, for the judy, you should try 85PSI with the rebound completely open (toward the rabbit). when you add more air pressure, you need to slow it down and i think you did the opposite if i got that right.
also having a tune for the trail and a different one for the jumps is completely normal, i have a different setup if i go trail or bikepark.
Also, messing with only one parameter at a time would help you narrow it down. (i'm running 85psi in my recon full open and put 1click toward slow when at 90). Also a lack of lockout sometimes means it missing oil in the dampner and the fork would need a service but on a new fork idk man.
Well thank you for the rundown, we will see how they play out and can I add oil?? Like without tearing down completely? Thanks and hope to see you on the next video coming out 8pm!!SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS just woke up with your new video. Usually kev central is the first to cover interesting schwinn bikes but you beat him to it. As for the oil, technically yes (remove the air and unescrew the right top side, remove the dampner and there is the oil bath) but i wouldn't do that as to perform properly the dampner need a specific amount of oil. Putting too much will lower the availible travel and reduce proper dampning. So unless you remove all of it and put the correct amount back in, i wouldn't touch that. (At least it works this way on rockshox motion dampner like in the recon, i believe the tk one is super similar).
Man thank you for saying that about u beating Kev!! LOL We tried very hard to be the first one out with a review:) Now I also appreciate the fact you mention basically if it works then why fix it:) Very cool you understand man, thanks Sim-and dont worry we sill got your pics in the EMAIL!! HA HA See you Tuesday man for the Realtime Review of the ASCENSION!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS haha, no sweat. I know the pics aren't really nice so i don't expect anything, no worries. Looking forward for the review.
Thanks man and he one pic in front of the mountains is BEAUTIFUL!!
I recommend using the Rockshox Trailhead App if you have any RS fork. You enter the serial number, type of bike ( Mtn or Ebike), and your weight. It gives you the recommended pressure and rebound setting, great for a starting point. I used it for my RS 35 Gold RL and it was spot on for 25% sag. I rode it at that initial setting for the first 6 rides to allow it to somewhat break in. Afterwards I adjusted the pressure and rebound gradually to my liking, I went with a bit less pressure for more sag (closer to 30%) and one less click of rebound because I prefer a bit softer fork travel.
Agree on the softer overall feel, hopefully I can get them dialed in but we will have to do it the old fashion way!! We have flip phones!!!🤘 as always thanks John and see you at 8pm!! SCHWINN ASCENSION!!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS If you have a computer you can still go to the Rockshox website.
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Just recently jumped in to mountain biking from my commuter. Recently I obtained a nice hardtail with loads of upgrades minus the forks. Luckily I found a set of these in stock yesterday! Thank you for the awesome reviews! I can’t wait to remove my stock forks and hit a trail based upon the in depth analysis!
HA HA We are VERY SCIENTIFIC!!! LOL Thank you for watching us and commenting man. Good luck with the fork and so happy we could help a little. Let us know what you endup going with!! Later man and thanks again.
Surprised the lockout didn’t work for wolf dad. Works very well on my set. They are heavy though. For the price though, tough to beat other than the Markhour perhaps.
Sure is man, in mean 169? Thays a great deal on that fork, I would def buy again. Thanks man be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
Snap! I’m just under 18stone and the lockout on my forks work just fine.
On the lockout. What I noticed with my ENIX was that out-of-the-box the lockout was not very functional ,,, but after the first ride it worked as expected: a few mm of give (soaks some vibration), then solid.
Could be the Judy behaved the same.
I think you are right, more riding and oil movement. Thanks david and hope to see you soon on the SCWHINN ASCENSION video coming out in an hour🤘🤘🤘
As someone who works at a shop, and works on a ton of these, I can tell you that the rebound know is supposed to stay in the fork, it's just a fancy name for the rebound knob.
Thats good to know, I was sure it was going to fall out!! LOL :) Thanks man
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS np love your vids!
I agree with your score. I feel X Fusion and Suntour are a great value for performance. Even if you get a high end XFusion and Suntour it will be half the price of a high end RockShox and Fox.
John thats a great point man thanks for agreeing!
Great review. My first time watching you guys and I think you have the best MTB TH-cam channel. Keep it up!
Well that is awesome to hear, thank you very much! Glad you found us and thanks again:)
One thing to consider when rating these forks is the ease of ability to find the necessary parts to service the fork. Rockshox service kits are easy to find. Some of these others don't even have that option.
Well we don't recommend things, so this is one of those the buyer needs to do their homework situations. This subject would be something for another kind of ratings or segment.
When rating the forks we rate them based on our own opinions and what we think about the performance of the fork in the categorys that we rate them on. We don't consider things like rebuild-ability or long term performance in our ratings system for a number of reasons, most of which is we currently have about 11 forks and it would be impossible to test for any long-term reliability issues. The official Wolftick rating system is 100% intended for entertainment purposes only along with just about every other thing we do.
Maybe in the future we will consider a segment on what forks you can get parts for. Thanks for the comment, we hope this explains our reasoning at least a little😂.
Happy Friday guys. Much love from the king family here in Kentucky. Just know we appreciate y'all
Man right back at ya!! Hopefully the King family can watch us all together tonight for the SCHWINN ASCENSION VIDEO!! Much love and thanks for the awesome comment.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS tonight!!!????
Yooo shout out to these 2 bros!!! I like biking for exercising and to get out to do something different from my regular routine. I'm not an entire newbee at riding or bike maintenance/upgrades but far from an expert.lol. But definetly happy I found you guys. You both seem honest and cool along with doing reviews on budget items!! I like riding my bikes but I can't justify buying 2-3k bikes or $600 bike parts. Another plus is one of my bikes I recently started upgrading is the GT, even in the same color. So convenient for me to see what items fit and ride well with it. Keep it up 🤙. subbed
Well man thank you for checking us out and subbing brother. Thanks for understanding us and getting our humor! You are gonna love next Tuesdays video LOL. Glad you found us as well and thank you so much for commenting. Later ElCheDeNy 94
Nice unbiased, non brand name factor review guys. I dig the rating scale scoring because it keeps the review honest. I agree that just because it’s a Rockshox doesn’t make it #1. 3 is fair, but I was hoping for the #1 spot because I’m biased! Lol great video 🤙🏾 🤙🏾🤙🏾
Lol!!! Absolutely love your honesty brother😜😜🚲 Awesome and we hope to see you at 8pm for our Schwinn Ascension UNVEIL INITIAL IMPRESSIONS!!!
hey guys just to know the x-fusion enix isn't available anywhere, I tried ebay, amazon and just plain googling it and no one sells them anymore. I wonder what happened.
Yeah man....we know! LOL Been that way for awhile and we get asked for links daily!! 🤣
Still got a potato quality bike check coming soon, I broke the rear cassette on my main ride so it's down at my local bike shop waiting for the new rear hub, I'll definitely do one on my oldschool full suspension and one on my bmx, keep shredding 😎🤙
BERSERKER!!! Watched the Gary and loved it:) Thanks for the shoutout and YOU NEED TO PUT COMMENTS ON!! Dad told me to tell you that ha ha they are off. Hope the shop gets you rolling again and cannot wait for that sweet a@# fly bike! Later BERSERKER and see you at 8PM tonight!!! SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS It took a few minutes but I figured out how to turn comments on 🤯
😉 gotcha
I agree with you about the rebound:
I've found that on my Rockshox Recon I like the rebound either fully open or 1 click in.
Great review on the Judy!
Thanks Caleb! It's a heck of fork Nd we shall see how they play out. Hope Hope to see you and Braden at 8pm!! SCWHINN ASCENSION INITIAL IMPRESSION BABY! SEE YALL THEN👌
Rockshox Recon RL? How would you score the Recon RL using this rating system? I know they're not budget, but it would help to get sense of what the extra $$$$ buys. And what we give up going budget.
Man we will do a true rating for them along with the trace tc34 and a new fork we just ordered! So hang in there man, we wanted to keep a below 200 and an above, so hopefully soon enough this summer we can get one out. Thanks again David👍👍👍
i like this rockshox for : good price, good performance for the price, easy to service (long lasting) and easy to resell.
All good points, for the price of 169 that's gonna be hard to beat!! Lol
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS hard to find a new one under 200€ here in france.
Currently building a Specialized Rockhopper FSR XC into a 27.5 / 26 mullet. It initially has a Rockshox Dart fork but it has definitely seen better days. I want to keep it a relatively budgeted project. The Judy was intro. to me and videos sealed the deal. Stans tubeless are next
Hell yeah man!! Sounds great, if you can find the Judy for $169....GET IT!!!! Also we have a video on the stans BABY!! LOL Hope to see you Friday Rich, thanks for watching:)
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Good news,I was able to get the Judy and to my surprise it came equipped with the lockout remote. Everything was installed with no hiccups. Any suggestions as to want settings I should run? Air pressure/ rebound setting? BTW.... my weight is about 180.
NICE:) Man it ll depends....What kind of riding you do? I run ours at try running the rebound at half then work up or down from there, as for the air maybe 95ish??
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Cool thanks. Will give you suggestion a try. I do alot of goat trail stuff. Leaning more towards xc, but less manicured
Gotcha, just play with it and have fun:)
You guys always crack me up in the beginning
Glad we do man, thank you!!
Thanks guys. You should test the original fork also to get that on the board. It essentially cost nothing so it could show, is it actually worth keeping this compared to some of the others.
Not a bad idea man, that is def possible. Thanks for watching and see you soon for the ASCENSION!!
I was just getting on to look old videos about groupsets to put on my Santis. Got my wheel master rim coming next week and see the new upload👍👍
Awesome man! Thays too cool and how exciting👍👍 looking forward to your feedback brother, thanks man and be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
I really want to know what the conversation was about before the intro... 😂😂😂
Great review guys, really good to see a comparison to others forks too and your scoring system seems very fair, nice work! 👍
Got my recons on tonight, so hopefully get a chance to try them over the weekend.
Dammit Wolfman, 3 beers?! What are trying to do to me man?! 😂🍻 Definitely need a beer review segment.
Great video as always, take care boys 😎🍻🍻
Beer segment coming up!! Lol you dont want to know what the conversation was🤣🤣 review was fun and I agree with you lol. Get down here so we can have some drinks together says dad!! Ha ha hope to see you at 8pm SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
I can’t seem to find the x-fusion enix online. The link below says the seller no longer has the item available, and it’s not listed on x fusions website.
Man thats a bummer, we see them for about two days then BAM they are gone:( Hope you can fid some dude, they are all that!!LOL
Solid review guys! Had a feeling it might come in either below or above the Suntour. I was really close to buying the Epixon but I was the told the OEM/cannibalized parts inside some of the ebay listings can be a roll of the dice in the long-run. Probably personal preference/bias, though. If X-fusion made a sub-$200 fork for a 29", I'd be all over that.
Either way, great to see the Judy finally on the board. I have the 29" wheel version on 2.4" tubeless tires so I wonder if that makes a difference, compared to your experience. I'm one click off of fast with 160-170 PSI (I'm 6'5") and never seem to blow through the travel like you were, but there are so many variables to consider. A few local shops here have passed on a rumor that Rockshox brought back the Judy name to potentially phase out the Recon so that might explain some of the cheaper features.
As always, keep up the great work!
Well written man, thanks for the comment and enjoyed it. We like the x fusion stuff for sure but the suntours! They are nice as well but like you said the factors play a big roll. People sometimes dont account for that but anyways man be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! THANKS
10:15 that key will fall out. it did on Rock Shox Tora fork I had in 2010, I set it and took the key off, but on some models they use a red dial that can't fall out.
I was worried of that as well...I will probably just keep it in the truck or in the bag.
Got a GT aggressor a year ago( because it was a childhood dream to have a Gt bike). Got a rockshox Judy tk silver 100mm travel for 169$, that’s the only travel available at that price point. Was it worth the purchase or should I return it and spend more? Not a super jumper because I drive for a living and can’t be sidelined from work. Any length of criticism is welcomed for advice.
Hey brother, now the Judy is a sweet for and probably right up your alley as far as not being a jumper. I would say ot plays to your benefit very much and not so much ours. Also the fork is a steal at $169, DAMN GOOD DEAL!! Stick it out man, ride the hell out of it, then if she dies rebuild her!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS thanks for the reply, that was fast. Guess it was a hidden consideration because of many rebuilding kits that rockshox has to offer. Paid 383$ out the door at dicks sporting for the Gt aggressor because I asked for a prior price matching and the wife wouldn’t approve of an 800$ mtb. But I did sneak in a new 600$ semi auto shotty! She luvs gunz too.
LOL Very funny he supports the semi auto shotty and not so much the BIKE!! LOL Thats great, thanks for the comment man, we get to the every night.
HELL YEAH!!! I knew it!!!!! I have a buddy who threw the Judy on his bike and my suntour felt better and lighter. So glad to see you guys back on the trails!
Ha ha ha yeah us!! Lol they felt not as good I guess, I truly thought they were gonna place 2nd but very cool scoring. Thanks man and glad to see ya, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
Going from 80mm to 120mm travel. How much did it effect the bikes geometry during your riding test?
Not bad at all man, the GT thankfully has a bigger cockpit, the Comp on the other hand is small, so it changes the geo a bunch with it. I would check em out!
Same with suntour xcr 32 air it comes too stiff I let a small bit of air out of it now it's gone right down too soft and the front of my bike is lower than the rear.
It is a little difficult to tune in....
Ok, for the money, which would you choose: The RockShox (169.00) or the Bucklos (113.00)? I have both now to install on one bike. They ended up shipping the RockShox after they said it was out of stock. Now I have both and I am going to return 1. You chose which one I keep and which one I return.
I would definitely choose the RockShox over the Bucklos the reason is because RockShox will have a much better build quality also can easily get replacement parts for the RockShox if something does happen to the fork.
keep the rockshox
Man I would agree with the other fellas, rockshox you will be able to rebuild and find parts to do so. For 50 dollars that's what I would do!! Long term s'more reliable I'm sure as well, not that the Bucklos arent but not too sure yet. Be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then, Later man!!
@John Tran AGREE👍
@Oceann24 AGREE👍
On my rockshox recon it does the same thing where there is movement before it completely stops moving that’s meant to happen
Yeah a little is normal for these, not that much though. Our Recons don't give nearly as much as the Judys do. After riding the Judys they have slightly improved but still give too much. Thanks
I just bought a GT Agressor Pro used but it’s basically new. It came with deity saddle, pedals and lockjaw grips. All great stuff. I put a new headset and a 720mm handlebar on it so far. I am in love with this bike. It’s an xl frame and since I’m 6’3 200 lbs, it’s fitting like a glove. I want to do the 1x setup and a million other upgrades. I have a friend that is a mobile bike mechanic and he works for a huge company. I would like to know an opinion from anyone that can tell me what’s the best fork upgrade that will fit this bike for under $300. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also, I LOVE this Chanel. You and your dad are the best. You guys give the best advice and you’re hilarious.
Well thank you so much brother for the support:) I know that sounds cheesy but its true ha ha. Now Since you are a big dude you may take a look at these suntours. They make a good product and we have the suntour epixons as well:) they rated a #2 on our fork shootout above rockshox-anyways man we have heard of some bigger guys riding these and they like here is an affiliate link and its a 120mm and it comes with a remote!ebay.us/VjXeC2 Good Luck man!!!
Thanks so much for the reply. You guys rock. For real it’s so nice to see such genuine people demonstrating upgrades to budget bikes. I love that. Normally it seems if you don’t own a $2k bike that nobody wants to hear what you wanna say. It’s great to see what you and your dad are doing. I’m a fan forever.
Thanks man🥰👍
Love your videos. Have a GT and was going to just upgrade to something else. Watching these made me decide to upgrade the bike parts. Thank you!
Awesome man! We love our GT, and think that it is a great bike to upgrade. Hopefully you stick around for a while man👍.
Would enjoy seeing you do a review of the Rockshox Judy Gold RL if you ever get your hands on one😉. Thanks for all you do
Great vid guys I think the rating is about right. Having theses myself i would agree.
Thanks man! We screw off a lot but actually try to rate things as honest and accurate as possible in our opinions of course😜.
wasn't it just snowing and you're outside in sleeveless shirts and mail man shorts lol you go hard haha
Crazy weather here in Arkansas😂
Rock shox Judy and sr sunsontour Epixon which one is better ?
Didn't we score it at the end? There should be a Wolftick Rating at the end. We have this video as well: th-cam.com/video/dHpfOEbwkAo/w-d-xo.html
I love the contact with subscribers and I have a recon gold there expensive but there awsome
Well man we love our commenters and rubbers, thanks for noticing. We would love to get some gold👍 little pricey is right ha ha thanks man
Hey!!! I'm up in top 5 comments. Love the videos... id like to see more of a side view of when your jumping. That way WE can see the shock move from the side...
Javier thanks man, we love the input and will try to get that shot for you man. Thanks for the feedback and appreciate you watching man.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS 🤘🤘🤘 love the content, now ill rewatch some older ones and try some different parts for the old ladys laguna bike. New fork for sure
Nice man, sounds good and we will see you for the CATS MEOW RUN!! TUESDAY
Another great review and reason to keep my money in my pocket. My bike came with the sr suntour raidon and was thinking of switching it out. Now I don’t think I will, unless it completely breaks somewhere down the road. 🤙🏽
Well man appreciate you taking our scoring system somewhat serious lol. See you in a few for our new bike unveil!! Schwinn Ascension!!! 8pm
I'm torn between the bucklos and the Judy. $80 difference. I'm upgrading a $400 big box bike... Which one to go for!? (Current shock is garbage, rest of the bike is great!)
Man go with the Jusy, especially if you can find it.Worth the money and you can find parts ANYWHERE!!! Judy it is!!LOL Good luck brother:) Or watch our Realtime review of the Epixon??Got another fork review coming out FRIDAY!
Awesome job. I was you you were going OTB on the one landing but you saved it. Lol
Man I did it two times and just about did!! LOL Thats why I had to give them a 10 out of 10 for big stuff, a bunch of other forks would of crumbled under that pressure:)
that lockout seems to be defective on the rockshhox fork. usually lock out on Rockshox lock out stiffens the fork up but allow it the oil to blow off, so fork to compress on hard impact, that one does not seem to do that, or the dial might be assembled wrong so it does not fully change the compression to fully lucked, but as I mentioned it's not a complete lockout, that could damage the fork, they have a blow off built into it.
so not like on mechanical lock outs where you turn the dial and thus turning a a key to lock it. this fork has a hydraulic lockout, which has a tube that gets gets the openings covered more as you turn it, but once you hit a curb they should compress.
So unless they did something different with this damper, that's how it always worked.
I think it probably is defective or installed wrong, so you should contact the retailer and as for a warranty replacement.
but they might have made the damper too sensitive to bumps in the locked out position, so might not work for heavy rider.
I think once it has time to circulate some oil t will work just fine with dad on it:) Looking at adding a damper to it I found one for like $75??
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS time to circulate? I don't know wha tyou mean if you mean lubricanting oil in lowers at the bottom of the fork Tha that's nothing to do with the damper other than lubricating the fork, but the oil inside the damper should be there and move thronthe ports, which the lock out closes off.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS you might be able to swap damper yes. I don't know which ones are compatible. Make sure it sone that fits into 30mm stanchion fork. It has to have smae thread and diameter or it won't fit.
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Will do, either that or the Recon we have that are 32mm for our new 29er build
Sweet jumps dudes the name does nothing for the scoring baby not here in Wolftick🤘🤘
Ha ha KEEPIN IT REAL!😎😎🤜🤘
I rebuilt a recon silver RL that has the same style damper and the oil level in the damper side is really sensitive. Too little oil and the lockout is pointless. Too much oil and the damper won’t work right. The rockshox book does say it’s not supposed to be a full lockout though.
Oh ok well thanks for the input. Dad needs to try it again since the oil has circulated:)
Solid contender based on value. I just came across an adapter from Cane Creek that allows you to use tapered stearing tube forks in a non tapered headset. This would open up the available options for the Agressor Pro. I need to do more research. Thanks for the great review.
For sure man, I have looked into the cane creek but the adapter is a 44mm, so I think the GT would be out because of the 34mm sizing?? May be wrong though....let me know asap!! Ha ha thanks man and be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! SCHWINN ASCENSION BABY!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Well that was quick research. I verified your findings on the cane creek adapter. I guess it will either be the RockShox Judy or the X-Fusion Enix. Thanks again.
For sure man, get the ENIX!! So hard to beat fr price and they are in stock:) heres an affiliate lol, go ahead JONES! ebay.us/6HmCOf
so basically you need volume reduction, so need to use tokens(what rockshox calls air chamber volume reducing spacers) but I don't know if that fork has that feature, some cheaper models don't, so some people but wine cork in theirs, or 3d print their own. but optimally you want it to be secure and not come loose, but even rockshox tokens can come loose, they did on Single Track Sample's enduro bike, so it made clack clack clack sound. cus they got unthreaded, but he did big jumps, rode hard, so not surprising. also make sure to regularly check the top caps on the forks, they can get loose too, even on a xc bike.
So that's why they should have some Loctite on them. but you should regularly check them.
I am writing from experience.
but as the dad mentioned you should have made sure rebound damping setting was set properly.
Yeah I really should have, now there is or is not a damper? I thought a damper was an overall adjustment you could make to the compression knob/lockout? Im confused....
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS a damper is the thing on the right, Tha that's compression or/and lockout and rebound, a damper is not the adjustment it self but the actual damper unit. Damping, is a wha the damper does, rebound damping, compression damping, on high end forks you can see a fast, low speed adjustment for both. not to be confused with ampening making something wet 😁
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS you are confusing damping adjustments with a damper, but this is a budget dmaper so only has basic lockout and rebound adjustment, my fork has fast and slow rebound adjustment, fast and slow compress ion damping which dampens the fork compressing at high and slow speed hits. So that's all adjustments with dials on a high end damper on a fork.
LOL ok gotcha, thats what I thought as well.
Yeah I may, just like the trace rc 34's we have. Those have damper adjustment.:) Thanks Johannes
Hey guys, got a gt aggressor pro a couple years ago, followed along to upgrade some of the parts. Im looking to get a new rear axle so I can pull my son in his burley trailer. Can you tell me the rear axle measurements? And whether you have a recommendations on the one to get.
Are you going to review the rockshox recon rl and see where it places on the list i would be interested to see where it places i purchased one after watching your guys video of the schwinn taff with one on it. anyways thanks for the great content you guys do and all the money you spend testing stuff for us.
Yes sir thank you for being a PUBLIC subber:) That helps and so does you commenting. We will do a scoring for them along with the Xfusion Trace rc34 and we have a new fork coming in as well! So since they are not considered "budget" that is the reason we have not scored them with the others, and we need a bigger sample size:) SEE YOU AT 8PM FOR OUR NEW BIKE!!!! LATER MAN!
does the judy fit the aggresor? with out to much modifications?
The Judy fits without any modifications if you get the straight steerer tube version of the fork. You don't have too, but we suggest changing out the headset while you have it taken apart. Here is an affiliate link: ebay.us/8Re27e
Remember kids, stealing bikes is WRONG!!
Clearing hedges(long collective of bushes) and ditches(V shaped water pits) of rubbish is probably ok... (and environmentally good)
I have new parts ordered for the now 'environmentally friendly👍' vengeance, more details to follow over coffee 😉☕
Have a great weekend😎🍻
🤣🤣🤣Love the Public announcement:)!!! We look forward to your nonsense and always get a laugh ha ha im glad you do as well. Later man and enviormently friendly LOL!!!
Interesting video an nice action footage. I'm curious about your audio recording on the bike, maybe a microphone from the helmet cam to inside the helmet?
Yeah I absolutely hate Gopro audio. We have played with the separate sound recorder idea but we haven't fully committed to it yet. We might try it again soon because the realtime audio is just horrible. Thanks
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I see, thanks for the info.
Just bought this fork and the rebound knob is ridiculous... Is there a higher quality replacement knob,like a typical metal knob?
A HA you must have sausage fingers like dad!! LOL I just looked up the extension kit and not too sure if this will work but if I were going to tackle it, wold order this one:) Good luck man and it is an affiliate link, so we get a little kick back at no extra charge to you, thanks!ebay.us/J0NtPV
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS haha totally.. love the videos by the way and thanks! I really wanted the x-fusion Enix but only a few distributors in Canada and something like a 3 month delivery time so here we are lol
HA HA That is ow it works out man, it is a bummer they are all out!! I loved the Enix but the suntour we currently have on it does a fine job!!
Love your rating system, glad you didn't get seduced by the brand name
For sure man, it is a ni e fork all around, just not the next level. Appreciate it Chris H??
Alsoo brother be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS did you watch my last one about suspension geometry?
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I do appreciate it!
Sure did:)
Hi man nice video,
I just want to make a question to you it’s out of the topic but, how has the ixf crankset been I want to buy one of them
Thanks Cristian, the IXF has been a great crankset and to date not 1 hang up man:) Heres an affiliate ebay.us/k5qcAI
yeah, that weight.
is yours quick release or thru axle?
Quick Release...
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS got it
You guys should do a mid range fork chart also for forks from $200-$400.
Many people might not want to go quite as cheap. Think about it
Hahaha yeah we have been collecting forks for a minute to do that. We currently have 3 with one on the way. The series should start in a couple of weeks if not sooner.
I'd be curious to see how they would fair against something like the Manitou Markhor. I'm riding a set on my old 26" mtb and picked them over the RockShox LOL.
Really? Well I like that, we have seen them and we are not crazy about the backwards crown...lol dont think we could do it!! Thanks man but who knows??👍👍🤣
I didn’t see that coming! Third place just doesn’t seem right. Mind you, on a e-MTB, weight really isn’t a issue. The worse thing about the Judy is the cheap plastic lockout lever (which btw: can be easily upgrade to a more durable metal one). Dialling in the Judy for me was really simple given that I don’t jump the bike. I still think it’s a great fork for very little money and WAY better than the stock Suntour’s that came with my bike.
Def better then stock, but they had a few things against them. For $169 you cannot beat these as far as an entry level fork goes...
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS The main issue being weight and there is no denying that these forks are no lightweights. Like I said, on an e-Mtb this isn’t an issue........
Where did you find the Judy for so cheap?
Looking forward to what you guys do with the next bike. Saw it already Instagram.
Well thanks man, NEW BIKE VIDEO COMING OUT IN AN HOUR OR SO!!!! SEE YOU THEN BROTHER👍👍
Manitou Markhor 100mm or rockshox judy gold 100mm what do you recommend?
Man have not tried a gold.....I do like the Manitou but cannot stand the backwards arch!! LOL If it were me I would buy a RockShox!! 👍🤣
Simply the best opening segment, you two are absolute gems.
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Great vid guys that fork looks great
Thanks guys, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS will do
Did you ride this on the gt aggressor
Yep😂
Nice video..
Does wolf dad count your personal feeling twords a product when grading??
I only ask because that's a factor in the final score. I've used 3 of the forks on your list Judy's are the best bang for the buck in my view..
Stay frosty brother
Agree with best bang, 169 you cannot beat that! See you at 8pm man, peaceout THUNDERLUNGS!!
8pm?? Is there a special episode I don't know about? ?? And what time zone?
You should put volume spacers In the fork so it gets stiffer as it goes up the travel
Agree man, we may look into the tokens??? Or the damper deal offered by RockShox!Thanks Evan
Don’t think you can fit volume spaces on the Judy. On the spec it’s n/a!
Nice GT.
Appreciate you man, thanks!
what lockout dont working?
Felt it worked ok on the trail, just not in the shop.
I think there’s something wrong with your lockout. I’m 200 lbs. I can put my full force into it and the lockout gives maybe three millimeters at most.
Really?? Hope not bit dad is pretty big lol🤣🤣🤣 may get it looked into, thanks mn
Alright wolftick fans and wolftick son and senior. Correct me if I’m wrong. But I think the best budget forks are the x fusion enix. I like to upgrade mine so please give me your feedback.
YOU ARE CORRECT!! So far they take the cake, if you watch the Budget Fork review video you will understand why:)
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yes sir. I did see the review video. Now where do I get me a hold of a xfusion enix fork? Thanks a lot for your response and videos… 🍺
Man unless you want a 26" man, you may be out of luck:( They are no were to be found!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS thanks for your feed back. Truly helpful. You said you work at a bodyshop. That’s awesome I do too. Tell wolf senior to keep it up. 🍺
@1x1 Chave Hey man The Tick is working on some links for you right now. Thanks and I will keep it up haha. We both answer comments on here so it can be confusing.
У меня точно такая вилка 100мм вопрос можно будет сделать ход 120мм?
Hey brother, we are not sure. I do not believe so, there is no token in the Rockshox judy silver TK.
What is the most injuries you've had on a bike and the most damage and Carnage
Man a tore up shinn, I was actually jumping at hot springs and not while jumping but on the way up my foot slipped and the pedal drove about 8inches top to bottom and dug all the way to the bone. Nasty scar and needed stitches😉 That's it so far
A lil heavy, not terrible.. no jumps near here... but seems like it'll "soak" up anything on the ground ... rough gravel/dirt trails would be a breeze...
Lol!! Will probably "soak" for sure!!🤣🤣 I love it, thanks for watching us brother, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
It’s actually 100mm in order to get 120 you have to convert them first. These forks are not meant for big jumps either.
Hmmm......well in the initial impressions we measure everything and the stanchions measure to be 120mm and we used every bit, so maybe these did come with the full 120. As for the jumping department we always take them to the jumps, just to get a good all around idea for people. Thanks for watching brother!
I like this type of scoring ;)
Thanks man, we take it all into effect . Thank you for watching man!
Thats weird that should deff fully lock out you might want to contact rock shox. i have never seen them not lock out lol and yeah they are kinda heavy i replaced my rock shox recon with the fox 36 and its night and day difference. Also for most rock shox forks i always run 5-10lbs more than they recommend and that key wont fall out and if it does u can always use a small allen key lol
Good to know man, I would love to try some fox 34s but they need to be about 200 or so😉 Totally not gonna happen ha ha thanks steve and hope to see you around 8! Schwinn Ascension BABY!!
Hell yeah! Here we goo
SEND IT!! LOL Thanks brother, be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!!
you guys are great, make me laugh, keep it up.... Dave Ferd
Thanks man! We appreciate your support. Glad you get our weird humor hahaha.
Epixon vs judy?
Well we did reviews on both, and you see were we ranked them, so the real question is which one do you think you will go with? Two things to remember are the Judy's are about $20 dollars cheaper and a 9mm qr for $169 vs the Epixon's 15mm thru axle at $190ish. They are both good forks. Let us know what you decide.👍
that cauliflower, where is that from? BJJ or wrestling? great video by the way
Hey brother its from No-Gi Jiu Jitsu, I am a coach and competitor. Thanks for the view man:)
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS cool man!! I'm also a BJJ practitioner.. it's cool to incorporate BJJ and biking.. ride safe brother!
You too👍
Like to see side view of the jump and the landing the rockshock is the best Fork you have only thing better is Fox 🦊 Rockshock 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🚲 I think your dad had too much to drink thinking you was going 22 mph it look like three or 4 mph I can see where my magic eyes 👀
:) Thats funny man, And thats some good input, I do need a side view.....
My bike came with this forks but they have 100mm of travel. Sucks I have to take the spacers out :/
Interesting review not the outcome I would have expected either.
Hay brother, honestly I agree with the not expected outcome, but our numbers dont lie lol, thanks dude. See you at 8pm!!! SCWHINN ASCENSION BABY
I did research comparison of the Judy vs the Epixon before settling on the Epixon so I agree with these results. Also, the TK is a turnkey damper, not quite a full lockout. The damper is a let off also so that's probably why it doesn't quite lockout.
Nice and so glad you agree!😉 we enjoyed it and looking forward to he next. Thanks for the info and may be the reason. Be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! schwinn ASCENSION BABY!!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I'm already there!
Have you ever messed with electronic shifters
No brother we have not
No brother
Is the "soak" drinking game still in effect?
Ha ha start taking shots!! Ha ha hey man wanted to let you know we filmed the realtime on the Sidewinder as is!! Because of you lol. Gave you credit and oneday you will see ha ha, also be sure to watch our next video coming out in a few hours!!! See you then!! 8pm Schwinn Ascension baby, you need one!!!
Jeremiah and John said you both are coffee drinkers have you ever drink 10 cups of coffee together within an hour I think that would be an awesome challenge between the two of you
Lol that's done on a regular basis! No need for a challenge ha ha
Have you ever been outside shocks before
No man..
Great review on the TK guys. I agree. X Fusion does make a great fork. Used to have the McQueen HLR which blew away Pikes, Fox 34, etc. IMO.
Thanks Chris, the x fusions feel very well constructed. 👍
You need a proper dirt jump bike. The BB is too far from the back axel on xc bikes and it makes them too front heavy.
For sure man, I would love one! Maybe a good used dirt jumper? GT makes one right?
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS yeah. The la Bomba
Tick rides MTB's. Wolfman drives a 2022 Harley Santa Sleigh
🤣🤣🤣 Hey now that's Old Saint Wolfnick!!😉
Still a decent fork for the price. A better damper would help, though.