0:47 - As a massive Jays fan and equally dismissive of the BoSox.... Roger Clemens won 3 Cy Young awards and an MVP before he came to Toronto. Had over 2500 K's. C'mon
Exactly. From 86 to 92 he was the best pitcher in baseball. Clemens's 13 years with Boston sort of mirror Koufax's 12 years with the Dodgers, except without the WS titles. 192 wins, 3 Cy Youngs (probably should have been 4), a legit MVP award for a pitcher, 4 ERA titles, etc. DP just doesn't like Clemens. Or Bonds. They weren't good media guys and were pretty surly. I get it. But by 1996 Clemens and Bonds had legit HOF stats. Schilling belongs, too, but his resume is sorta borderline but he gets a pass from guys like DP because Schilling was a good media guy.
@@Vic-Vega What? My point is that during his career, Schilling was very happy to give the media what they wanted. He was a jovial personality who gave good interviews and made their jobs easier and that elevates Schilling in guys like DP's mind from "borderline" HOFer to "definite" HOFer. Especially relative to a guy like Bonds, who was always surly to say the least with the media, or Clemens, who could be a hyper-competitive jerk. Being a jerk who is good with the media goes a long way versus a jerk who is bad with the media.
OMG, just shut up and put Bonds and Clemens in already. Literally two of the greatest to ever play their positions, and you have this dumb argument every year. Even if the writers don’t put him in, I hope one of those “committees” votes them in
"If you're a hall of famer you don't need to use." I stopped listening after that. Is he right? Mostly. Until you take into consideration the era Bonds played in, and the scenario he found himself in because of it.
Exactly. Bonds was the best and then the roids took off. He wanted to be seen at that level so he made the choice. if anything, the roids just proved that Bonds was by far the best in the game. Furthermore, these people that whine and moan about purity of the game, turn their backs on "greenies". An illegal substance that actually helped you on game day.
I do agree that regardless of if and when Barry or Roger took something, they weren't lock Hall Of Famers around the time they are suspected of starting to take some. Spot on by Dan.
Take a real close look at his career. It is carried by 3 great seasons and a number of mediocre years. If Hershiser isn't in then Schilling shouldn't be in. Hershiser was more consistent across his entire career and just as dominant in the post season.
#1 Barry Bonds, #2 Roger Clemens, #3 Mark McGwire, #4 Alex Rodriguez, #5 Sammy Sosa. We need these players that have been waiting in the HOF, during their prime gave a lot of writers work if it wasn't for superstars like these baseball would be boring, think about this. David Ortiz first yr HOFer too. 🙏🏻⚾️ 2022.
If Clemens, Bonds, Schilling, Sosa and Ramirez are not in the hall of fame why should A Rod make the hall of fame? If that happens we, the baseball fans, can tell what's going on. A lot of baseball fans would probably stop watching baseball and would stop believing in the hall of fame process.
@@sedohema players cheated in the past and nobody talks about that. Are you ok with players cheating in the past and being inducted into the hall of fame? Or you just like to ignore the fact that ever happened?
The baseball hall of fame is a joke. The baseball writers are a joke. So there’s not a single cheater or shitty person in the hall already? Bonds and schilling deserve to be in but aren’t because of what?
I agree they should all be in only thing I would say is if they all get in they HAVE to reinstate McGwire and put him in on the ballot since he has fallen off it
I remember my entire family getting together to watch Mark Mcgwire and sammy Sosa going for the homerun record....baseball didn't have a problem with them saving the sport in 1998 but won't let them in the hof
1sr because congress go involved and they were definitely losing the media and pr sponsorships so they had to revert and say " oh we had no idea anybody was taken anything. If RIP Cammineti did open his mouth, this would've been a closed topic for a lot longer than it became and dumb Mark having Androsterone right in his locker that reporters could see. * Real smart.........
Ortiz and Schilling were HOF Players when it really mattered in the eyes of the Fans. They delivered in the Post Season in more than one series appearance.
I used to agree but with Bud Selig in the HOF this just feels ridiculous. Is he in without the excitement of the steroid era? without the viewing increase for the home run races? Not a chance. On top of which he multiple times colluded to keep players from earning their due or even playing in some cases. Every manager and executive of the steroid era has made their career off the backs of these players and now lets them take the fall while they rake in the accolades. Its such a selective anger that ignores the many people who incentivized and encouraged the cheating in the first place and who continue to profit of it as a result.
Curt Schilling is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly in the postseason with bloody sick, and so he absolutely indeed does belong in the Hall of Fame, period.
@@rjperfetto584 Disagree, and even it that were to be true, it doesn’t take away from his absolute overall greatness and complete dominance and so he absolutely belongs in the Hall, period.
@@rjperfetto584 In my opinion Curt Schilling is the biggest snub on this list. Dude has the Strike to Walk ratio Since the Live Ball Era began in the year of 1900. He is part of the first pitching duo to hit 300 strike outs in a season (2002). 6 time all star was an ACE of 3 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks ,2004 BOS and contributing member of 4 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks, 2004 and 2007 BOS. He posted 3 seasons of 300 plus strikeouts 1997, 1998 and 2002 with 2001 finishing with 293 and finishing his career was the 14th player to reach the 3000 strike out mark and 14th at the time on the all time strikeout list one behind Gibson. Curt placed in the top 5 for Cy young voting 5 times with 4 of them being 2nd place by the way to other Hall of Famers like Randy Johnson. As stated in this video Schilling posted an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA in 19 post season starts. Between the 2001 and 2002 post seasons Schilling pitched to the tune 55.1 inings, 3 complete games and an ERA of 1.14 (Remember these are against the Cardinals for 3 starts, Braves for one start and the Yankees for 3 starts non are pushover teams, Yankees were the three time defending world champs. 2 of the complete games were one run pitching duels with Matt Morris where Schilling came out on top. Schilling would also share World Series MVP and Sports Illustrated player of the year honor with co ACE Randy Johnson in 2001. (If you are standing on the same stage as Randy Johonson doing anything...Hall of Fame just saying. I haven't even got to the bloody sock yet! I am getting there! In 1993 Schilling was named NCLS MVP despite not earning a win because both games Schilling pitched the lead was giving up by Mitch Williams the Phillies closer at the time. Thats how dominate he was in the post season. Now Schilling started 5 post season win or go home games (Elimination). Schilling record in these make it or break it games is 4-0 with Schilling teams wining all 5. 1993 Game 5 against the defending World Series Blue Jays Schilling pitched a 147 pitch 5-hit Complete game Shutout wining 2-0. The Blue Jays would win game 6 ending the Series. In 2001 Game 5 in the Division against the Cardinals Schilling and Morris had their second pitching dual in the desert with both pitchers pitching till the end with Schilling getting the win again after the Tony W. walk off hit in the 9th ended the game 2-1. Game 7 of the 2001 World Series is the only Elimination game Schilling did not get the win, giving up a 2nd run in the 8th and leaving while the Dbacks were losing. The Dbacks ended up wining the game in the 9th. The last game on this list A.K.A The Bloody Sock Game, Game 6 of the ALCS. Schilling had to go through surgery to stabilize a tendent hours before the game at Yankee stadium Pitching 7 inings giving up 1 run and 4 hits keeping the Red Sock dreams alive. In each of those 5 games Schilling Pitched 39.1 inings pitching at least 7 inings in each start never surrendering more then 2 runs in those games. For comparison Randy Johnson who also has 19 post season starts (Same amount as Schilling) numbers do not match up no Comparison Schilling was far better in the post Season. In conclusion as stated in the video Schilling WAR is almost 80 are you kidding me. If Schilling is borderline with WAR of almost 80, The best Strike to Walk ratio ever in the History of LIve Ball ERA and all those post season accomplishments. Kick out 94 percent of the HOF now. P.S Schilling did all of this in the steroid era of Bonds, Sosa, Meguire and many more without using Steroids himself. Schilling did not cheat at all and because of this Schilling is the biggest HOF Snub
Clemens was on his way to a hall of fame career... check your references on this one... 1986 was the beginning of his notoriety in my opinion... wether or not he should be in the hall of fame that’s another discussion
The Hall of Fame already had cheaters i including steroid users.. like Jeff Bagwell Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez. The character with integrity doesn't make you a Hall of Famer and that is the weakest move.. A baseball player with a great career makes you a Hall of Famer.
Clemens not a hall of famer? He may have done roids, but y'all are on crack. 354 wins, 7 Cy Youngs, 4600 plus strike outs, a very good career ERA, an MVP, 2 World Series rings, the only pitcher in history with 2 20 strike out games, 22 years in the bigs, all of this in the live ball era, where 80 percent of the batters or more were just as juiced. I hate that players cheated, but since this form of cheating was so universal in the league at the time, we're back to an even playing field.
If the Baseball HOF has players like Mike Mussina and Jeff Bagwell in it, but not Arod or Barry Bonds (or Pete Rose for other reasons) then I'm never spending my money to visit the hall of fame. XD
Besides longevity numbers like 3,000 hits, 500/600 HR, 3,000 K, voters should pay attention to seasons of historical significance. Sosa may not be a HOFr based on his ability to do anything else but hitting dingers but those 3 seasons of 60+ HR comprised an historically significant period, regardless of whether he used PEDs (there is no proof, never failed a test). Baseball history is incomplete without the McGwire/Sosa race, Maris' 61 in 61 and Maury Wills' 104 SB.
*Schilling isn't in the HOF b/c he participated in the congressional hearing on steroids.* He stood up for McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro & defended their integrity against Jose Canseco, who had accused them in his book "Juiced." And those 3 guys stumbled hard from that day on. It has nothing to do with Schilling's political views. If that were the case, they'd never put Steve Carlton in, & he was an avid Rush Limbaugh fan.
No, you’re wrong, it absolutely indeed is all about politics with Schilling and the ultra liberal leftist writers who won’t vote for him simply because of his beliefs. He is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly with the bloody sock, and so, he absolutely indeed does belong in the Hall of Fame, period.
@@notoriouseagle1074 totally disagree...enough with the ultra liberal nonsense....Curt Schilling is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly in the postseason, bloody sock and all, and indeed absolutely belongs in the Hall, period. Period.
Truthfully ally 5 of those guys should be hall of fame. If a player was caught and got suspended they should have an asterisk or something to show that they did cheat. Talents like bonds Sosa and Rodgers can’t not be recognized
he should be in yes he’s an awful guy and was a terrible teammate but as a player especially in the playoffs he was incredible and was the guy you wanted starting in a clutch
McGwire hit 49 his rookie year - definitely pre-steroids. Not saying he was HOF before that but he did hit a lot of HRs before you could see the changes in him.
@@clevin113 HI Corey. He hit 49 in '87, which is the first year that Canseco says he injected Mark with roids. Then there was a drop off for a while. He stayed in the 30s? Then you see him crank it throughout the 90s. To me, that is a pattern of usage (supposition somewhat on my part). He was using more than creatine. Sosa was helped by roids, cork and Wrigley's short fences. If he had been honest about it, I don't think I would be as anti-McGwire as I am now. They were all doing it. Just come clean. Stay well.
Well McGwire's problem is that his only real contribution on an MLB field was hitting 500 footers, the thing most overtly helped by roids. He really had no other skills as a baseball player. Sosa had a few stretches where, helped by the roids, he was one of the best all around players in the game because he was a good athlete. But yeah, without the roids he wouldn't have even been an all star.
When I think of Big papi, I think of how there is no way that he belongs there. I actually remember him with Minnesota to where he hardly even had a warning track power. He gets to the Red Sox and it looks like he has inserted steel plating into his body. No way should he get in.
think again, because you're wrong. He hit HR at a 32 per 162 game pace in Minny. Not his fault the franchise was too stupid to play him every day for the sake of Doug Mientkiewicz
I usually like Dan Patrick, but he's way off on the HOF. The BBWAA has anointed itself the gatekeeper of the Hall for decades, and it's a joke. Not only should Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, et al be in, but McGwire, Palmeiro and names before. Always funny how Griffey gets a pass compared to his contemporaries AND there are suspected ones never linked to any investigation who get a stigma. And Cincy (Patrick's hometown team) gets Barry Larkin in, one of the most headscratching inductees ever.
Agreed, Griffey gets passes because of his Dad's legacy and not getting in trouble, he definitely could've took something. Larkin is not a true Hall Of Famer
Give me a break with the steriod talk already yeah we get it it builds muscle gives you a boost cool still doesn't give you the ability to hit a home run lol it doesn't give you hand eye coordination it doesn't automatically make you a superstar there's plenty of guys who juiced and STILL sucked. Bonds Clemens all of them deserve to be in this is a joke what they need to be really talking about is cleaning house in terms of all these 80 year old plus voters who are out of touch with the game and the world.
I’m 23 so I grew up tail end of steroid era and I would put them all in, was the height of baseball and the entire playing field was on it, if they were left out you basically blank out almost 20 years of great players
Bingo!☝🏾 It's not the players fault.. it was the entire system of Major League Baseball to bring the fans back. they wanted the money.. at that point they don't even care about the rules. MLB want ratings to get there everybody's attention.. After the strike in 94.
Clemens and Schilling I don't think will ever get in because sports writers hate them just like how the writers hated Nolan Ryan when he played and robbed him of a few Cy young awards because he was a republican. The PED case for Arod is a bit different than Bonds and Clemens, in my opinion. Because he got busted after testing was put in place, I doubt he'll get in. He was caught doping, twice. Plus he lied about it each time. So Arod is fucked. Clemens was proven not guilty in a court of law, they didn't prove it in court so it's time for people to move on. If you watch any video highlights of a young Barry bonds gliding around left field and stealing bases for the Pirates, you will see a decidedly different physique than the bulked up super freak who slugged home runs for the Giants later in his career. You don't go from 186 to 230 without some help. Bonds would have been like Jeter had he stayed clean a HOF lock. Clemens and Schilling should definitely be in the Hall of fame.
Well there this no evidence that Pete Rose ever bet against his team. Everyone who knows Rose knows that he was always trying to win, on every play. The Pittsburgh Barry Bonds was on the road to cooperstown; if I had a vote, I would not vote for the San Francisco Bonds. 35 year olds don't suddenly find another gear. It just doesn't happen like that. He was 36 years of age when he hit 73 home runs in one season with a 328 BA it is incredibly rare for someone to be reaching the prime of their career at that age. I'm not denying that he had natural talent. His natural talent was very good. He was consistently hitting 35+ home runs with high batting averages. However, anyone can see that his stats were plateauing, and would eventually decline like it does with 99% of all MLB stars. The steroids allowed his aging body to perform at a physical level even greater than that of his natural prime age of 28, when he hit 46 home runs and batted .336.
@@aspacebeing710 You do realize he was in SF when he hit those 46 home runs right? And again, the roids do not give you hand eye coordination. You still have to put in the work. People also forget MLB did a lot of things to make home runs easier, which included allowing the roid era to even happen. And let's just over look the fact that Bonds played in pitcher friendly parks for most of his career and still put up HOF numbers. This whole purity crap from voters and old timers needs to go because these same people over look greenies which actually helped players on gameday.
@@old-schoolrookiecollector1667 Yep almost the entire league was on it and there’s only a few people with numbers near Sosa and he had the greatest 10 year home run power run of any player ever also they have to reinstate McGwire and put him in as well
Also you can make the case for Clemens based on just his Boston years if you want to compare accolades. 3x Cy Young, MVP, ROY, 6x All Star. Led the league in wins, K’s and ERA several times each.
Agreed....this guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is entitled to his opinion but his REASONING is VERY flawed. Red sox got rid of Babe Ruth too......so what does it matter if a team trades a player
If barry bonds died in a car accident in 2000, 5 years later he would have been in the hall. I don’t care that Dan Patrick does not want to hear that argument. Does not mean it’s not true.
@@BOBBYP1857 Yeah to level the playing field he had to be on every day. But hey, all the roids did was prove just how much better he was than every one else in the game.
@@byronsmith3152 It's definitely a lot easier being a then starting pitcher and taking something than a everyday player and having to maintain your skill set and health conditioning.
And tbh… thank god this dude doesn’t have a ballot to vote.. Bonds & Clemens were Hall of Famers before ever using.. I’m one to believe that if Bonds never used.. he wouldn’t be first in HRs BUT he would be the only player to ever have 600 HRs & 600 SBs.. HALL OF FAMER
@@rjperfetto584 He was already that.. it is believed that Bonds began using in the 2000 season... from 1986 to 1999.. Bonds already had 423 Doubles, 445 HRs AND 460 SBs Like I said, He would've been the only player to 600 HRs & 600 SBs... OR 600 Doubles, 600 HRs, 500 SBs... either way he's a Hall of Famer
No Dan people shouldn't be blacklisted for there political beliefs. If society did that we create a society of restrictive sameness and we never move forward. People like Dan Patrick do too much talking not enough reflectiveness
Guys, there’s players in the hall of fame that played before 1947. Do you know what that means? That means they didnt play with black or latino players because of the color of their skin!!!! I know you people probably thinking so, that was america back then, so let me flip it around for you to understand… imagine if these same guys that played before 1947 didnt play with gay, irish, italian or jewish players due to their race or sexual orientation??? Huhh!!! And we are still talking steroids???!!!!
Pudge is in admitted steroid user. Ortiz is going to get in admitted steroid user and how does Dan Patrick excuse it. Either you did or you didn't use it.. all or none. Schilling had 3 great seasons which carries his numbers. Look closely at his stats. He had a lot mediocre years. If Hershiser isn't in no Schilling. Hershiser was just as dominant in post season as was Schiiling and was more consistent over his entire career. Don't kid yourself Dan Schilling is burning up that he is not in the HOF.
well....since the hated mark mcgwire was kept out......i can not see bonds, clemens, sosa or a rod getting in......even tho they are much beloved......
If bleach 45 was on steroids during his term. Why can rhis candidates be in the HOF. All of this sports writers need to get over it. Stop been the all mighty. So none of you guys smoke pot in your days. PLEASE.......!!!!!!!!!!!!.
@@alanmerritts Oh I know what morals are. I grew getting them beat into my head and arse, lol. My questions stems from drawing a line. You can't say PED's cross a moral line but be okay with people who were racist, using greenies, or other ways of cheating. As the other poster said, players in the 80's were doing coke like it was nothing.
@@byronsmith3152 While you are 100% correct, are we supposed just give up/ in from here out? That is the line I am talking about. Is life itself also extend into everything goes , even if if happens to you. Where is your line or when does it start. You are correct about the long ago past. What about the future. Some people will always use the past to excuse the present.
A-Rod is judged differently because he fessed up and stopped denying. If Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa all just admitted what they did and expressed remorse, they would ALL get in.
Shilling HOF? Come on now. Nevermind his steroid use, but isn’t one of the primary metrics being a 300 game winner? He was far from that. Had some great years, yes. But he’s tainted like the rest of them.
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I didn't expect him to be so wrong. Bonds and Clemens were not Hall of Famers before they used? That's just nonsense.
That is because he wants shock value from his mouth. He knows full well he is being an idiot with that statement.
0:47 - As a massive Jays fan and equally dismissive of the BoSox.... Roger Clemens won 3 Cy Young awards and an MVP before he came to Toronto. Had over 2500 K's. C'mon
Exactly. From 86 to 92 he was the best pitcher in baseball. Clemens's 13 years with Boston sort of mirror Koufax's 12 years with the Dodgers, except without the WS titles. 192 wins, 3 Cy Youngs (probably should have been 4), a legit MVP award for a pitcher, 4 ERA titles, etc.
DP just doesn't like Clemens. Or Bonds. They weren't good media guys and were pretty surly. I get it. But by 1996 Clemens and Bonds had legit HOF stats. Schilling belongs, too, but his resume is sorta borderline but he gets a pass from guys like DP because Schilling was a good media guy.
Clemens could have retired after his Sox stint and still be considered a HOFer. Not sure why Dan is so down on his career.
@@gf4670 Schilling was "a good media guy??" Dude, that's like reason 1b (and a close one, at that!) why he's not getting any votes.
@@Vic-Vega What? My point is that during his career, Schilling was very happy to give the media what they wanted. He was a jovial personality who gave good interviews and made their jobs easier and that elevates Schilling in guys like DP's mind from "borderline" HOFer to "definite" HOFer. Especially relative to a guy like Bonds, who was always surly to say the least with the media, or Clemens, who could be a hyper-competitive jerk. Being a jerk who is good with the media goes a long way versus a jerk who is bad with the media.
@@gf4670 I don't think you've been paying ANY attention to the media narrative on Schilling over the past 15 years or so, lol.
OMG, just shut up and put Bonds and Clemens in already. Literally two of the greatest to ever play their positions, and you have this dumb argument every year. Even if the writers don’t put him in, I hope one of those “committees” votes them in
"If you're a hall of famer you don't need to use."
I stopped listening after that. Is he right? Mostly. Until you take into consideration the era Bonds played in, and the scenario he found himself in because of it.
Exactly. Bonds was the best and then the roids took off. He wanted to be seen at that level so he made the choice. if anything, the roids just proved that Bonds was by far the best in the game. Furthermore, these people that whine and moan about purity of the game, turn their backs on "greenies". An illegal substance that actually helped you on game day.
I do agree that regardless of if and when Barry or Roger took something, they weren't lock Hall Of Famers around the time they are suspected of starting to take some. Spot on by Dan.
Saying it's OK to leave Schilling off because you dislike him is ridiculous. It's the baseball hall of fame, judge him on baseball.
Take a real close look at his career. It is carried by 3 great seasons and a number of mediocre years. If Hershiser isn't in then Schilling shouldn't be in. Hershiser was more consistent across his entire career and just as dominant in the post season.
@@Gnofg Mediocre?? Even if that was true (it isn't), his postseason performance is impeccable.
@@Vic-Vega why isn't Hershiser in the HOF. His post season is also impeccable.
@@Gnofg I'm in favor of him, too (i.e. "why not both?").
@@Vic-Vega I think both were good pitchers but neither are HOF's.
#1 Barry Bonds, #2 Roger Clemens, #3 Mark McGwire, #4 Alex Rodriguez, #5 Sammy Sosa. We need these players that have been waiting in the HOF, during their prime gave a lot of writers work if it wasn't for superstars like these baseball would be boring, think about this. David Ortiz first yr HOFer too. 🙏🏻⚾️ 2022.
If Clemens, Bonds, Schilling, Sosa and Ramirez are not in the hall of fame why should A Rod make the hall of fame? If that happens we, the baseball fans, can tell what's going on. A lot of baseball fans would probably stop watching baseball and would stop believing in the hall of fame process.
So this will make you stop watching. Not Houston cheating their way to a world series and getting away with it. Those priorities are priceless
@@sedohema players cheated in the past and nobody talks about that. Are you ok with players cheating in the past and being inducted into the hall of fame? Or you just like to ignore the fact that ever happened?
The baseball hall of fame is a joke. The baseball writers are a joke. So there’s not a single cheater or shitty person in the hall already? Bonds and schilling deserve to be in but aren’t because of what?
@@Joes35 I think is cheating
I agree they should all be in only thing I would say is if they all get in they HAVE to reinstate McGwire and put him in on the ballot since he has fallen off it
I remember my entire family getting together to watch Mark Mcgwire and sammy Sosa going for the homerun record....baseball didn't have a problem with them saving the sport in 1998 but won't let them in the hof
1sr because congress go involved and they were definitely losing the media and pr sponsorships so they had to revert and say " oh we had no idea anybody was taken anything. If RIP Cammineti did open his mouth, this would've been a closed topic for a lot longer than it became and dumb Mark having Androsterone right in his locker that reporters could see. * Real smart.........
$10,000 says Dan takes HGH
Ortiz and Schilling were HOF Players when it really mattered in the eyes of the Fans. They delivered in the Post Season in more than one series appearance.
I used to agree but with Bud Selig in the HOF this just feels ridiculous. Is he in without the excitement of the steroid era? without the viewing increase for the home run races? Not a chance. On top of which he multiple times colluded to keep players from earning their due or even playing in some cases. Every manager and executive of the steroid era has made their career off the backs of these players and now lets them take the fall while they rake in the accolades. Its such a selective anger that ignores the many people who incentivized and encouraged the cheating in the first place and who continue to profit of it as a result.
Curt Schilling is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly in the postseason with bloody sick, and so he absolutely indeed does belong in the Hall of Fame, period.
That bloody sock is suspect that he did or took something to pitch with a ripped tendon that post season.
@@rjperfetto584 Disagree, and even it that were to be true, it doesn’t take away from his absolute overall greatness and complete dominance and so he absolutely belongs in the Hall, period.
@@rjperfetto584 In my opinion Curt Schilling is the biggest snub on this list. Dude has the Strike to Walk ratio Since the Live Ball Era began in the year of 1900. He is part of the first pitching duo to hit 300 strike outs in a season (2002). 6 time all star was an ACE of 3 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks ,2004 BOS and contributing member of 4 world series teams 1993 Phil, 2001 Dbacks, 2004 and 2007 BOS. He posted 3 seasons of 300 plus strikeouts 1997, 1998 and 2002 with 2001 finishing with 293 and finishing his career was the 14th player to reach the 3000 strike out mark and 14th at the time on the all time strikeout list one behind Gibson. Curt placed in the top 5 for Cy young voting 5 times with 4 of them being 2nd place by the way to other Hall of Famers like Randy Johnson.
As stated in this video Schilling posted an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA in 19 post season starts. Between the 2001 and 2002 post seasons Schilling pitched to the tune 55.1 inings, 3 complete games and an ERA of 1.14 (Remember these are against the Cardinals for 3 starts, Braves for one start and the Yankees for 3 starts non are pushover teams, Yankees were the three time defending world champs. 2 of the complete games were one run pitching duels with Matt Morris where Schilling came out on top. Schilling would also share World Series MVP and Sports Illustrated player of the year honor with co ACE Randy Johnson in 2001. (If you are standing on the same stage as Randy Johonson doing anything...Hall of Fame just saying. I haven't even got to the bloody sock yet! I am getting there! In 1993 Schilling was named NCLS MVP despite not earning a win because both games Schilling pitched the lead was giving up by Mitch Williams the Phillies closer at the time. Thats how dominate he was in the post season.
Now Schilling started 5 post season win or go home games (Elimination). Schilling record in these make it or break it games is 4-0 with Schilling teams wining all 5. 1993 Game 5 against the defending World Series Blue Jays Schilling pitched a 147 pitch 5-hit Complete game Shutout wining 2-0. The Blue Jays would win game 6 ending the Series. In 2001 Game 5 in the Division against the Cardinals Schilling and Morris had their second pitching dual in the desert with both pitchers pitching till the end with Schilling getting the win again after the Tony W. walk off hit in the 9th ended the game 2-1. Game 7 of the 2001 World Series is the only Elimination game Schilling did not get the win, giving up a 2nd run in the 8th and leaving while the Dbacks were losing. The Dbacks ended up wining the game in the 9th. The last game on this list A.K.A The Bloody Sock Game, Game 6 of the ALCS. Schilling had to go through surgery to stabilize a tendent hours before the game at Yankee stadium Pitching 7 inings giving up 1 run and 4 hits keeping the Red Sock dreams alive. In each of those 5 games Schilling Pitched 39.1 inings pitching at least 7 inings in each start never surrendering more then 2 runs in those games. For comparison Randy Johnson who also has 19 post season starts (Same amount as Schilling) numbers do not match up no Comparison Schilling was far better in the post Season.
In conclusion as stated in the video Schilling WAR is almost 80 are you kidding me. If Schilling is borderline with WAR of almost 80, The best Strike to Walk ratio ever in the History of LIve Ball ERA and all those post season accomplishments. Kick out 94 percent of the HOF now. P.S Schilling did all of this in the steroid era of Bonds, Sosa, Meguire and many more without using Steroids himself. Schilling did not cheat at all and because of this Schilling is the biggest HOF Snub
I like how they inexplicably left out Smoltz's years as a closer 😅
Clemens was on his way to a hall of fame career... check your references on this one... 1986 was the beginning of his notoriety in my opinion... wether or not he should be in the hall of fame that’s another discussion
Wait did he just say cheaters shouldn't get in then say Ortiz should get in??? So only certain cheaters can get in I guess smh
The Hall of Fame already had cheaters i including steroid users.. like Jeff Bagwell Mike Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez.
The character with integrity doesn't make you a Hall of Famer and that is the weakest move..
A baseball player with a great career makes you a Hall of Famer.
Clemens not a hall of famer? He may have done roids, but y'all are on crack. 354 wins, 7 Cy Youngs, 4600 plus strike outs, a very good career ERA, an MVP, 2 World Series rings, the only pitcher in history with 2 20 strike out games, 22 years in the bigs, all of this in the live ball era, where 80 percent of the batters or more were just as juiced. I hate that players cheated, but since this form of cheating was so universal in the league at the time, we're back to an even playing field.
24 seasons
I bet dan patrick doesn't mind klansman!
All of them!
If the Baseball HOF has players like Mike Mussina and Jeff Bagwell in it, but not Arod or Barry Bonds (or Pete Rose for other reasons) then I'm never spending my money to visit the hall of fame. XD
They are putting in too many Hall Of Good and suspect takers in.
I think with A-Rod, it will be right near the tip of Hall of fame percentage or 5 to 10 percent. No in-between.
U have no proof bonds was on steroids… so stop
Besides longevity numbers like 3,000 hits, 500/600 HR, 3,000 K, voters should pay attention to seasons of historical significance. Sosa may not be a HOFr based on his ability to do anything else but hitting dingers but those 3 seasons of 60+ HR comprised an historically significant period, regardless of whether he used PEDs (there is no proof, never failed a test). Baseball history is incomplete without the McGwire/Sosa race, Maris' 61 in 61 and Maury Wills' 104 SB.
The ball or bats or stadium enhancement could've been used or happening then too, if it's happening now, why not then
Clemens was totally a HOFer before Toronto! 3x Cy Young Award and an MVP! His stats in Boston were right up there with a prime Koufax!
Thank You Dan, I 100% agree with voting none of the cheaters in
*Schilling isn't in the HOF b/c he participated in the congressional hearing on steroids.* He stood up for McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro & defended their integrity against Jose Canseco, who had accused them in his book "Juiced." And those 3 guys stumbled hard from that day on. It has nothing to do with Schilling's political views. If that were the case, they'd never put Steve Carlton in, & he was an avid Rush Limbaugh fan.
No, you’re wrong, it absolutely indeed is all about politics with Schilling and the ultra liberal leftist writers who won’t vote for him simply because of his beliefs. He is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly with the bloody sock, and so, he absolutely indeed does belong in the Hall of Fame, period.
@@davekoffer1609 Enough of the Conservative right wing nonsense! Steve Carlton is a perfect example.
@@notoriouseagle1074 totally disagree...enough with the ultra liberal nonsense....Curt Schilling is one of the greatest pitchers of his era, particularly in the postseason, bloody sock and all, and indeed absolutely belongs in the Hall, period. Period.
Truthfully ally 5 of those guys should be hall of fame. If a player was caught and got suspended they should have an asterisk or something to show that they did cheat. Talents like bonds Sosa and Rodgers can’t not be recognized
The guy on left knows nothing about baseball
I wish the show would spend more time on mlb
All of them
0:28 - There you go, everyone is too old school and stubborn. Baseball is really going to lose fans with this.
Curt Schilling is a hall of famer
No he's not.
he should be in yes he’s an awful guy and was a terrible teammate but as a player especially in the playoffs he was incredible and was the guy you wanted starting in a clutch
Bonds, Clemens and Schilling must go in. Schilling was a winner/clutch (politics aside). MaGuire and Sosa clearly were helped by roids.
McGwire hit 49 his rookie year - definitely pre-steroids. Not saying he was HOF before that but he did hit a lot of HRs before you could see the changes in him.
@@clevin113 HI Corey. He hit 49 in '87, which is the first year that Canseco says he injected Mark with roids. Then there was a drop off for a while. He stayed in the 30s? Then you see him crank it throughout the 90s. To me, that is a pattern of usage (supposition somewhat on my part). He was using more than creatine. Sosa was helped by roids, cork and Wrigley's short fences. If he had been honest about it, I don't think I would be as anti-McGwire as I am now. They were all doing it. Just come clean. Stay well.
Only Schilling
Well McGwire's problem is that his only real contribution on an MLB field was hitting 500 footers, the thing most overtly helped by roids. He really had no other skills as a baseball player. Sosa had a few stretches where, helped by the roids, he was one of the best all around players in the game because he was a good athlete. But yeah, without the roids he wouldn't have even been an all star.
When I think of Big papi, I think of how there is no way that he belongs there. I actually remember him with Minnesota to where he hardly even had a warning track power. He gets to the Red Sox and it looks like he has inserted steel plating into his body. No way should he get in.
And he's the one getting a pass because people like him.
@@ryukenhondaraiden252 that is the weakest move by baseball writers.... What a joke.. baseball writers are hypocrites as far as the Hall of Fame
think again, because you're wrong. He hit HR at a 32 per 162 game pace in Minny. Not his fault the franchise was too stupid to play him every day for the sake of Doug Mientkiewicz
Totally agree, he came out of nowhere to in 2003.
I usually like Dan Patrick, but he's way off on the HOF. The BBWAA has anointed itself the gatekeeper of the Hall for decades, and it's a joke. Not only should Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, et al be in, but McGwire, Palmeiro and names before. Always funny how Griffey gets a pass compared to his contemporaries AND there are suspected ones never linked to any investigation who get a stigma. And Cincy (Patrick's hometown team) gets Barry Larkin in, one of the most headscratching inductees ever.
Agreed, Griffey gets passes because of his Dad's legacy and not getting in trouble, he definitely could've took something. Larkin is not a true Hall Of Famer
Garvey,Murphy,Manny Ramirez
Give me a break with the steriod talk already yeah we get it it builds muscle gives you a boost cool still doesn't give you the ability to hit a home run lol it doesn't give you hand eye coordination it doesn't automatically make you a superstar there's plenty of guys who juiced and STILL sucked. Bonds Clemens all of them deserve to be in this is a joke what they need to be really talking about is cleaning house in terms of all these 80 year old plus voters who are out of touch with the game and the world.
I’m 23 so I grew up tail end of steroid era and I would put them all in, was the height of baseball and the entire playing field was on it, if they were left out you basically blank out almost 20 years of great players
No, wrong.
Schilling and Ortiz should be in! Schilling is a flat out a hall of famers! End of story! Schilling is the greatest postseason pitcher of all time!
Are you high?
Greatest postseason pitchers off all time
1 Baumgartner
2 Rivera
3 Koufax
4 Smoltz
5 Petitte
Maybe schilling sixth
@@drexlspivey3047 naw schilling was absolutely the best of all time
Ortiz tested positive. If he is in then all the HOF roid folks should be in
@@jeffreyramsdell4781 Schilling isn't on the same level as Rivera. Rivera got 100% for a reason.
@@paulmilford1187Mo wasn't as dominant in the post season ask the dbacks
Put them in. They dominated that era. By Dan’s logic, blame baseball not the players.
Exactly!
Bingo!☝🏾
It's not the players fault.. it was the entire system of Major League Baseball to bring the fans back. they wanted the money.. at that point they don't even care about the rules. MLB want ratings to get there everybody's attention.. After the strike in 94.
@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868 The same thing will happen this season unless something drastic reoccurs
@@rjperfetto584 You think so? What's going to happen that MLB is hiding behind close doors..
Clemens and Schilling I don't think will ever get in because sports writers hate them just like how the writers hated Nolan Ryan when he played and robbed him of a few Cy young awards because he was a republican. The PED case for Arod is a bit different than Bonds and Clemens, in my opinion. Because he got busted after testing was put in place, I doubt he'll get in. He was caught doping, twice. Plus he lied about it each time. So Arod is fucked. Clemens was proven not guilty in a court of law, they didn't prove it in court so it's time for people to move on. If you watch any video highlights of a young Barry bonds gliding around left field and stealing bases for the Pirates, you will see a decidedly different physique than the bulked up super freak who slugged home runs for the Giants later in his career. You don't go from 186 to 230 without some help. Bonds would have been like Jeter had he stayed clean a HOF lock. Clemens and Schilling should definitely be in the Hall of fame.
There has been no proof Bonds took steroids so why not him? They also tried to0 get him for perjury remember.
Well there this no evidence that Pete Rose ever bet against his team. Everyone who knows Rose knows that he was always trying to win, on every play. The Pittsburgh Barry Bonds was on the road to cooperstown; if I had a vote, I would not vote for the San Francisco Bonds. 35 year olds don't suddenly find another gear. It just doesn't happen like that. He was 36 years of age when he hit 73 home runs in one season with a 328 BA it is incredibly rare for someone to be reaching the prime of their career at that age. I'm not denying that he had natural talent. His natural talent was very good. He was consistently hitting 35+ home runs with high batting averages. However, anyone can see that his stats were plateauing, and would eventually decline like it does with 99% of all MLB stars. The steroids allowed his aging body to perform at a physical level even greater than that of his natural prime age of 28, when he hit 46 home runs and batted .336.
@@aspacebeing710 You do realize he was in SF when he hit those 46 home runs right? And again, the roids do not give you hand eye coordination. You still have to put in the work. People also forget MLB did a lot of things to make home runs easier, which included allowing the roid era to even happen. And let's just over look the fact that Bonds played in pitcher friendly parks for most of his career and still put up HOF numbers. This whole purity crap from voters and old timers needs to go because these same people over look greenies which actually helped players on gameday.
Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, and Ortiz get in
Can't leave sosa off your list if your taking all the other PED users. 600 home runs is a no brainer if your voting for the other guys.
@@old-schoolrookiecollector1667 Yep almost the entire league was on it and there’s only a few people with numbers near Sosa and he had the greatest 10 year home run power run of any player ever also they have to reinstate McGwire and put him in as well
Ortiz was a user too .
bobblehead for the out siders
Also you can make the case for Clemens based on just his Boston years if you want to compare accolades. 3x Cy Young, MVP, ROY, 6x All Star. Led the league in wins, K’s and ERA several times each.
@Mike Smith Why did Boston cut Tom Brady? 🤡
Agreed....this guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is entitled to his opinion
but his REASONING is VERY flawed. Red sox got rid of Babe Ruth too......so what does it matter if a team trades a player
If barry bonds died in a car accident in 2000, 5 years later he would have been in the hall. I don’t care that Dan Patrick does not want to hear that argument. Does not mean it’s not true.
What if,sorry life isn't what if ,
his choice to take the juice
@@BOBBYP1857 Yeah to level the playing field he had to be on every day. But hey, all the roids did was prove just how much better he was than every one else in the game.
That is Roy Halladay in a nutshell. Halladay is no Hall Of Famer. He got sympathy votes Plus he had drugs in his system via like Jose Fernandez
@@byronsmith3152 It's definitely a lot easier being a then starting pitcher and taking something than a everyday player and having to maintain your skill set and health conditioning.
And tbh… thank god this dude doesn’t have a ballot to vote.. Bonds & Clemens were Hall of Famers before ever using.. I’m one to believe that if Bonds never used.. he wouldn’t be first in HRs BUT he would be the only player to ever have 600 HRs & 600 SBs.. HALL OF FAMER
No way 400-400 maybe
@@rjperfetto584 He was already that.. it is believed that Bonds began using in the 2000 season... from 1986 to 1999.. Bonds already had 423 Doubles, 445 HRs AND 460 SBs
Like I said, He would've been the only player to 600 HRs & 600 SBs... OR 600 Doubles, 600 HRs, 500 SBs... either way he's a Hall of Famer
All deserve to go in,except arod
It should be Schilling and Ortiz
They should let the roid users in on there last year on the ballot. Let them sweat.
but ortiz gets in. make it make sense
Ortiz can't get in then.
Yup
None going in count on it
Bonds schilling Ortiz Rodriguez buehrle
Schilling never used them Daniel
No Dan people shouldn't be blacklisted for there political beliefs. If society did that we create a society of restrictive sameness and we never move forward. People like Dan Patrick do too much talking not enough reflectiveness
Guys, there’s players in the hall of fame that played before 1947. Do you know what that means? That means they didnt play with black or latino players because of the color of their skin!!!! I know you people probably thinking so, that was america back then, so let me flip it around for you to understand… imagine if these same guys that played before 1947 didnt play with gay, irish, italian or jewish players due to their race or sexual orientation??? Huhh!!! And we are still talking steroids???!!!!
Let’s get this straight if Rose can’t go in those guys can’t go in!
greg
One has nothing to do with the other and yes Mr. Rose should be put in before he passes!
Pudge is in admitted steroid user. Ortiz is going to get in admitted steroid user and how does Dan Patrick excuse it. Either you did or you didn't use it.. all or none. Schilling had 3 great seasons which carries his numbers. Look closely at his stats. He had a lot mediocre years. If Hershiser isn't in no Schilling. Hershiser was just as dominant in post season as was Schiiling and was more consistent over his entire career. Don't kid yourself Dan Schilling is burning up that he is not in the HOF.
Very compelling debate between Orel and Curt
Glass house.
well....since the hated mark mcgwire was kept out......i can not see bonds, clemens, sosa or a rod getting in......even tho they are much beloved......
McGuire was a user prior to the era with Bonds and co. He also was a one trick pony. That is why he won't ever get in IMO.
Schilling.
If bleach 45 was on steroids during his term. Why can rhis candidates be in the HOF. All of this sports writers need to get over it. Stop been the all mighty. So none of you guys smoke pot in your days. PLEASE.......!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Schilling, Bonds and Clemens are hall of famers. What are we doing here? No brainers IMO
Media also to blame during steroid era, not just baseball and players union You guys were falling all over yourselfs during home run chase in 98
ANDRUW JONES DESERVES TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.................
These non HOF made baseball. Baseball today is boring.
Soooooooooooooooooooooo it’s ok for Ortiz to take steroids but nobody else 🤔
I see pap in the same category as Curt kinda. Fringe but a no for me
Has to be Bonds.
Schilling is a HOF. VOTE THE MAN IN. I happen to agree with his politics.
"I'd put none of them." -- The Problem
Why don't we forgive those who got people hooked on drugs as well. The morals today continue to disintegrate. There has to be a line somewhere.
Confused as to what you are talking about.
Raines got in and he was a heavy druggie in the 1980's. Eck was a alcoholic, etc
@@byronsmith3152 You proved my point. What is morals. Look it up if you don't know. You must be fairly young.
@@alanmerritts Oh I know what morals are. I grew getting them beat into my head and arse, lol. My questions stems from drawing a line. You can't say PED's cross a moral line but be okay with people who were racist, using greenies, or other ways of cheating. As the other poster said, players in the 80's were doing coke like it was nothing.
@@byronsmith3152 While you are 100% correct, are we supposed just give up/ in from here out? That is the line I am talking about. Is life itself also extend into everything goes , even if if happens to you. Where is your line or when does it start. You are correct about the long ago past. What about the future. Some people will always use the past to excuse the present.
A-Rod is judged differently because he fessed up and stopped denying. If Clemens, Bonds, and Sosa all just admitted what they did and expressed remorse, they would ALL get in.
Because he got caught cheating, lol. TWICE!
The Hall of Shame for the steroid cheaters should be in Needles, AZ.
the steroid users already in the Hall of Fame.... including racist and Amphetamines already in the hall of fame.
What is Dan talking about Schilling agreeing with violence? Remember when Dan came out and said he’s losing his mind? It’s starting to show.
Schilling advocated hanging the press. F him.
Schilling asked for the media to be lynched
If you can have a morality clause on steroids then there can be a morality clause on schilling’s politics
Sosa was all Juice, Bonds and Clemons would have made it, but screw them. Schilling is an ass, but should be in.
@Bud Fox Bonds and Clemens cheated, so they do not deserve to be in the hall of fame period.
@angel paige Nothing you can do about suspected steroid players. Just don't let in the ones that you know took steroids.
@@checoPH So do you advocate they remove all cheaters already in? ESPECIALLY the commish who allowed it to happen?
@@budfox2337 Well Barry never failed a test so....
@@byronsmith3152 Bonds had Balco doctors testify they injected him with steroids. Even his head grew two sizes, he would be the las guy I let in.
None of 'em. They were all steroid users. No steroid users in the Hall...Or make a separate wing located in the basement of Rod Manfred's home.
What about Greenie users?
@@byronsmith3152 Agreed.......
ARod is loved, Lance Armstrong is ostracized, I don’t get it.
Who loves Arod lol. No one
@@old-schoolrookiecollector1667 I do
Curt Schilling is NOT a Hall of Famer by any means.
100 plus percent agreed sir
Shilling HOF? Come on now. Nevermind his steroid use, but isn’t one of the primary metrics being a 300 game winner? He was far from that. Had some great years, yes. But he’s tainted like the rest of them.
Did he use ?
What planet are you from ,Schilling wasn't a drug guy .
Politcal talk is his issue ,dominant in the postseason drawfs Glavine and Maddox.
@@BOBBYP1857 3000 k too
Coopersfarm. Hall Of Fame farm team outskirts village name.