Costa is amazing...dude sounds so fresh and relevant...so glad he is working in MLB...they need him! Commissioner. You get that guy to focus on one sport, watch ot...super bright.
The first unanimous hall of famer and greatest closer in history also happens to get in at the same time as the hitter who absolutely dominated him. Martinez vs. Rivera (w/postseason): .579 / .652 / .1.053 in 23 plate appearances. There is something poetic about this.
@@stingrey1571 He was but he didn't spend his whole career there. Defensively he was the top catcher in the game and he was a good offensive catcher but I don't think he was someone that relied heavily on PEDs. Pudge was the first catcher made me one point damn I wanna be like Pudge. The best catcher I ever watched. Other than Johnny Bench and Piazza.
Both are HOfers for sure but Pugde is much more suspect than Piazza....with Piazza, there was one guy who saw back acne, thats a stretch. Piazza always had power and strength (read his scouting report) just got overlooked because he played first at the time and was absolutely terrible there.
I need to correct one thing Bob said. Schilling finished second to Johnson twice in the Cy Young voting, but the other time he finished second to Santana, NOT to Maddux.
He lost 60 games. No big deal. The only loss I remembered was in the 2001 World Series against Arizona in game 7. He committed an error, almost took out the Yankees best player, blew the save, blew the win and lost a World Series. There should have been one writer that used that game to vote against him. I still can't believe that happened. I think that was the only time I thought Rivera was human.
The case for Jeter not to be unanimous is easier. It's more than just "Ripken wasn't unanimous." It's "Ripken was great on offense AND defense, and Jeter was below-average defensively."
Jeter has 4 GGs and is 39th alltime in feilding...Cal ripkens career fielding is .979 to jeters .976. Far from below average. You seemed to be misinformed on a number of topics, maybe you should read more
I don't even know what Schilling said. I've said that if you don't like what he said during his broadcasting career, then he doesn't deserve the Ford Frick Award. Leave it out of the actual Hall of Fame debate.
Rivera definitely deserves 1st ballot HOF but not unanimous. He blew post-season series for the Yankees in 1997, 2001, and 2004. Otherwise, Yankees would have had three more championships.
I’m not against this, but many hall of famers deserved to be unanimous more than Rivera does. He was the greatest closer, but why should the greatest closer be the first or only unanimous selection? My point is that it’s merely a matter of how the voters of past elections voted and how the voters in 2019 voted. Rivera managed to be a unanimous selection for his status as a closer, and it proves how it’s humanly possible for a unanimous selection to happen. If it could happen for the greatest closer, it could have happened for others in the past, but didn’t. That’s all.
The Jeter comparison is poor. His numbers aren't overwhelming in the same way. The majority of his career he was not the unquestionably best player at his position like Rivera. even in his best statistical year, 1999, Omar Vizquel had a comparable year. Jeter is a no doubt hall of famer, but he does does not have the statistical weight to be unanimous.
His defense sabermetrics is way below average compared to other shortstops and Ozzie had a higher WAR than Jeter, and Ozzie was a better fielder than Jeter. Jeter gets in just because he had 3000 hits and all his leadership qualities etc. He's a 1st ballot HOF absolutely but he shouldn't be uninamous because he isn't the top shortstop at his position. Even Arod defensively was better than Jeter and Arod got to the league before Jeter. And i'm q Yankee fan.
Stephen Slezak If he’s a sure bet HOFer then he should be unanimous. There is no stepping stone of the Hall. You’re either in or out. There’s no such thing as first-ballot deserving or tenth ballot deserving.
@@justinamenta7241 I doubt that. ARod was still well conditioned in his mid 30s and he had more agility than Jeter. If he never got traded to the Yankees, he would have still played SS with the Rangers and other teams. I'm a Yankee fan so I got to watch Jeter and ARod play all my life. ARod was fielding a lot better than Jeter at times. The thing with Jeter is that he bobbled easy plays at times that Arod always makes those plays and ARod always dived for plays and would make those plays all the time. Jeter would dive late on groundballs and he would miss a lot. ARod was most of the time on point as a defender. Jeter shouldn't even had won that many gold gloves but Arod should have had a couple more and more than Jeter.
@cfm1181 Again not disagreeing with you. Look, HOF is a popularity contest pure and simple. It's not about numbers, or who is "great" or "very good." It's who do you like the most. So long as that's true, there will always be selections made that will drive us fans crazy.
When was the last time somebody was fired for saying something too liberal? Never heard of it. Of course if Curt Schilling said something too liberal he'd be in the Hall of Fame.
Costas is wrong for insinuating Verduccis work was stolen. The More people on the Moon Mariano stat has been long established for years, people have been saying that since he as still playing.
this whole baseball writers association voting is bullshit, keep the politics out and get the guys in who are deserving. You cant tell the story of baseball without bonds, clemends, or arod. Old fogies have tainted the reputations of incredible players just because they think they have to uphold some bullshit integrity in the game.
@jesusisnotallright s DJ has more hits, better avg, more gold gloves. Cal's 2 mvps were against weaker competition. DJ had to compete with arod, prime junior, Juan gonzalez,pedro and pudge. All of those named should be hofers.
@@terrancehall9762 yeah and Ripken had 200 more HRs and 400 more RBIs .Both had over 3,000 hits and Ripkens career fielding pct was higher. Theyre close but not to many people would rank jeter ahead of ripken
@@justinamenta7241 they had different roles plus Jeter did it in NY under the pressure of winning ws and having the Boss over his head. The ppl who wouldn't take Jeter probably don't like winning world series. Plus DJ had nearly 300 more sbs.
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Costa is amazing...dude sounds so fresh and relevant...so glad he is working in MLB...they need him! Commissioner. You get that guy to focus on one sport, watch ot...super bright.
The first unanimous hall of famer and greatest closer in history also happens to get in at the same time as the hitter who absolutely dominated him. Martinez vs. Rivera (w/postseason): .579 / .652 / .1.053 in 23 plate appearances. There is something poetic about this.
I totally agree.
Curt schilling is a no brainer hall of famer NO MATTER HIS POLITICS!! Ridiculous
mike piazza and ivan rodriguez are already in the hall of fame. the BBWAA seem to overlook their PED issue.
I will never get why Pudge gets looked at with PEDs. I never saw him in that way. A lot of catchers were big but again I never saw a thing with them.
Melbester9 pudge was on the mid 90s Texas rangers teams which included arod, Jose Canseco, Rafael Palmeiro, and Juan Gonzalez.
@@stingrey1571 He was but he didn't spend his whole career there. Defensively he was the top catcher in the game and he was a good offensive catcher but I don't think he was someone that relied heavily on PEDs.
Pudge was the first catcher made me one point damn I wanna be like Pudge. The best catcher I ever watched. Other than Johnny Bench and Piazza.
@@stingrey1571 you mean early 2000's.
Both are HOfers for sure but Pugde is much more suspect than Piazza....with Piazza, there was one guy who saw back acne, thats a stretch. Piazza always had power and strength (read his scouting report) just got overlooked because he played first at the time and was absolutely terrible there.
I need to correct one thing Bob said. Schilling finished second to Johnson twice in the Cy Young voting, but the other time he finished second to Santana, NOT to Maddux.
He lost 60 games. No big deal. The only loss I remembered was in the 2001 World Series against Arizona in game 7. He committed an error, almost took out the Yankees best player, blew the save, blew the win and lost a World Series. There should have been one writer that used that game to vote against him. I still can't believe that happened. I think that was the only time I thought Rivera was human.
The case for Jeter not to be unanimous is easier. It's more than just "Ripken wasn't unanimous." It's "Ripken was great on offense AND defense, and Jeter was below-average defensively."
Jeter has 4 GGs and is 39th alltime in feilding...Cal ripkens career fielding is .979 to jeters .976. Far from below average. You seemed to be misinformed on a number of topics, maybe you should read more
I don’t agree with Curt Shillings politics however, he belongs in the baseball Hall of Fame.
Curt was money at big games and is a Hall Of Famer
I totally agree because his hateful behavior is holding him back
Amber Puga Jim Bunning is not only a Republican but a former Republican senator. If he can get into Cooperstown, so can Schilling.
I don't even know what Schilling said. I've said that if you don't like what he said during his broadcasting career, then he doesn't deserve the Ford Frick Award. Leave it out of the actual Hall of Fame debate.
@@matthartleyjr9180 hateful? Lol dont be a puss
@@justinamenta7241 me hateful please nice try though take care
Rivera definitely deserves 1st ballot HOF but not unanimous. He blew post-season series for the Yankees in 1997, 2001, and 2004. Otherwise, Yankees would have had three more championships.
I’m not against this, but many hall of famers deserved to be unanimous more than Rivera does. He was the greatest closer, but why should the greatest closer be the first or only unanimous selection? My point is that it’s merely a matter of how the voters of past elections voted and how the voters in 2019 voted. Rivera managed to be a unanimous selection for his status as a closer, and it proves how it’s humanly possible for a unanimous selection to happen. If it could happen for the greatest closer, it could have happened for others in the past, but didn’t. That’s all.
These days the HOF standards are a joke in every aspect.
I'm getting sick of people saying that post season performances count a great deal. If that were true Ernie Banks would not be in the HOF.
Postseason is obviously just one factor...some people need that factor to get into the hof, and others dont.
The Jeter comparison is poor. His numbers aren't overwhelming in the same way. The majority of his career he was not the unquestionably best player at his position like Rivera. even in his best statistical year, 1999, Omar Vizquel had a comparable year. Jeter is a no doubt hall of famer, but he does does not have the statistical weight to be unanimous.
His defense sabermetrics is way below average compared to other shortstops and Ozzie had a higher WAR than Jeter, and Ozzie was a better fielder than Jeter.
Jeter gets in just because he had 3000 hits and all his leadership qualities etc. He's a 1st ballot HOF absolutely but he shouldn't be uninamous because he isn't the top shortstop at his position.
Even Arod defensively was better than Jeter and Arod got to the league before Jeter. And i'm q Yankee fan.
@@Melbester9 What the hell, I thought Jeter was a pro a year or two before A-Rod. Looked it up and you're right, A-Rod went pro a year before Jeter.
Stephen Slezak If he’s a sure bet HOFer then he should be unanimous. There is no stepping stone of the Hall. You’re either in or out. There’s no such thing as first-ballot deserving or tenth ballot deserving.
Players don't get in unanimously because the BBWA voters try to keep their favorites on the ballot.
@@justinamenta7241 I doubt that. ARod was still well conditioned in his mid 30s and he had more agility than Jeter. If he never got traded to the Yankees, he would have still played SS with the Rangers and other teams.
I'm a Yankee fan so I got to watch Jeter and ARod play all my life. ARod was fielding a lot better than Jeter at times. The thing with Jeter is that he bobbled easy plays at times that Arod always makes those plays and ARod always dived for plays and would make those plays all the time. Jeter would dive late on groundballs and he would miss a lot. ARod was most of the time on point as a defender.
Jeter shouldn't even had won that many gold gloves but Arod should have had a couple more and more than Jeter.
No disrespect to Mussina. However, he is not a hall of famer. This is not the hall of the very good.
The Unpopular Opinionated Tennessean he has a higher FWAR than many pitchers already in there lol let me guess, you don’t look at advanced stats.
The HOF isn't really dependent on win totals anymore, they consider so much more
Actually it has been the Hall of the Very Good for a long time now. I wished it wasn't, so if that's your point I would agree. But this is what it is.
@cfm1181 Again not disagreeing with you. Look, HOF is a popularity contest pure and simple. It's not about numbers, or who is "great" or "very good." It's who do you like the most. So long as that's true, there will always be selections made that will drive us fans crazy.
When was the last time somebody was fired for saying something too liberal? Never heard of it. Of course if Curt Schilling said something too liberal he'd be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah its sickening but i think he will get in by the next year or 2. He deserves to be
Rivera made it possible for Pujols to be a 100%er.
No argument. Pick a better closer. Nope.
Costas is wrong for insinuating Verduccis work was stolen. The More people on the Moon Mariano stat has been long established for years, people have been saying that since he as still playing.
what kind of rational is Shilling didn't win any Cy Young because other pitchers did? that works against him not for him.
The baseball HOF does not include the players with the most hits, homers and Cy Youngs. What a joke.
this whole baseball writers association voting is bullshit, keep the politics out and get the guys in who are deserving. You cant tell the story of baseball without bonds, clemends, or arod. Old fogies have tainted the reputations of incredible players just because they think they have to uphold some bullshit integrity in the game.
Mussina pronounced Muh-seena, not Mew-seena.
Moo-Sina
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Halls have become a joke
Dan Patrick is full of it bringing up msnbc like HOF doesn't have racists.
Any Anyaltics is to much.
Any kind of comparison means you're using SOME sort of analytics.
DJ is better than Cal.
@jesusisnotallright s DJ has more hits, better avg, more gold gloves. Cal's 2 mvps were against weaker competition. DJ had to compete with arod, prime junior, Juan gonzalez,pedro and pudge. All of those named should be hofers.
@@terrancehall9762 yeah and Ripken had 200 more HRs and 400 more RBIs .Both had over 3,000 hits and Ripkens career fielding pct was higher. Theyre close but not to many people would rank jeter ahead of ripken
@@justinamenta7241 they had different roles plus Jeter did it in NY under the pressure of winning ws and having the Boss over his head. The ppl who wouldn't take Jeter probably don't like winning world series. Plus DJ had nearly 300 more sbs.