Two covert narcs combining their efforts to get attention of an overt narc is also triangulation. A three way play because the two coverts truly do not like one another but there can only be one winner. Triangulation will end when one of the covert snakes disappears.🥀
Professor, you described the dynamics perfectly. And in a funny way, if the subject can be considered funny. With some distance ( or deflection maybe) it becomes hillarious
Sounds like my ex husband and his new supply. The supply is definitely narcissistic by the things she has done with the children & the court cases. She is now the overt and my ex husband is the submissive covert. She has ruined his life more than he ever would and controls everything. Now that I have healed & he can’t bother me or get supply from me, my child is telling me about the discord in the home. I let him speak & comfort him but I tell him to tell his therapist and move forward. I know they are imploding and soon will defeat each other.
Professor…you are an amazing teacher! You keep us intrigued and in suspense hanging on your every word. You enlighten and educate us like no other can! You awaken us from the slumber of the narc trauma…giving us lightbulb moments that truly empower us and set us free! Thank you…Thank you…Thank you! 🌻
Idk feels as though I get supply off of how you speak about narcissism in general..the way you speak sir is very awesome. But how you word things. Your videos feels like a deep dive into a perspective only we can understand and the victims.
Man .. Oprah really got this ball rolling with the competitive victimhood narrative. Now being some kind of victim is almost an essential feature of any competition. (Think American Idol, etc.). I don’t think Oprah did this consciously but she did recognize a winning formula when she stumbled on to it .. 🤔🤨
Excellent video Sam What happens when a borderline meets the others representatives of cluster B ? Does the borderline use all as an external source of regulation or only the primary psychopath can escape ? Thanks.
My covert ex tried to triangulate me with his new covert gf. I was having no part of that. I moved out of state. Now trying to keep my adult children out of the triangulation without being able to say something bluntly is like a full time job. Can’t wait until one of them discards. Seems to take longer with two narcs though. Yikes! 🤦🏻♀️
Sam will they ever trade places ? If two coverts are together and one cheats or does something that is a blow to the other’s ego, could the roles switch? Would the submissive covert become the dominate one to get revenge ?
I do the same behavior as you described for covert. Does it makes me a narcissist? I believe for me its a form of seeking validation cause it feels real when others validate my experience cause after being so much gaslighted & invalidated by narcissist, I've no trust in myself, I'm always doubting myself whether it's abuse or not or am I making it up. So when others validate & sympathise with my experience, it makes me feel like a real victim, so that I can show compassion for myself & not feel like undeserving of it (believing I'm making up lies to be a victim). I understand being a victim is no solution & maybe it irritates others. But it's more like a cry for help, that someone would listen to me & show me empathy (which I never got nor I feel deserving of ) or provide me some clarity & solution cause I believe others more than myself and self-gaslight . I don't know how much time it would take me to stop being a victim. If I'm being honest it does give me some kind of superiority boost, righteous feeling I'm better than the narcissist, who always made me feel like criminal. But being a victim does feel empowering, it makes me feel I deserve to stand up for myself. Actually believing in me being a victim helped me to stand up against Narcissist bully, I felt justified in standing up for myself cause otherwise I'll feel shame & guilt for standing up for myself. Even this comment is filled with my victimness. I feel like otherwise no one would believe me. Cause Unlike narcissists I'm not so confident in blaming others who's good & who's bad. But being a victim makes me feel understood & deserving to be cared (a form of love).
@@candicesalter3926 yes I know I've victim mentality & people don't like it. But for now I'm like that I don't think I've harmed you in any way. I've just expressed myself. If you can provide me any solution, I'm open to it. Otherwise keep your repulsion it to yourself
Two snakes in the grass bumping into each other... We know how this ends. The thumbnail describes it perfectly.
😅
Trust no one they will betray u when it's not going their way tell them. N. O
We do have to be extremely careful with trusting others. However are you saying that everyone will betray everyone else if it’s not going their way?
Paranoid.
Two covert narcs combining their efforts to get attention of an overt narc is also triangulation. A three way play because the two coverts truly do not like one another but there can only be one winner. Triangulation will end when one of the covert snakes disappears.🥀
Professor, you described the dynamics perfectly. And in a funny way, if the subject can be considered funny. With some distance ( or deflection maybe) it becomes hillarious
Sounds like my ex husband and his new supply. The supply is definitely narcissistic by the things she has done with the children & the court cases. She is now the overt and my ex husband is the submissive covert. She has ruined his life more than he ever would and controls everything. Now that I have healed & he can’t bother me or get supply from me, my child is telling me about the discord in the home. I let him speak & comfort him but I tell him to tell his therapist and move forward. I know they are imploding and soon will defeat each other.
I'm undecided if I love more the contents that Vaknin posts, or the images he puts on them… Tough battle 🤺🐍
You just described my brother in law and his wife 😂 It was beautiful.
Are they still together?
Professor…you are an amazing teacher!
You keep us intrigued and in suspense hanging on your every word.
You enlighten and educate us like no other can!
You awaken us from the slumber of the narc trauma…giving us lightbulb moments that truly empower us and set us free!
Thank you…Thank you…Thank you!
🌻
Idk feels as though I get supply off of how you speak about narcissism in general..the way you speak sir is very awesome. But how you word things. Your videos feels like a deep dive into a perspective only we can understand and the victims.
This was so enlightening Professor. Thank you. 😊
Two coverts walked into a bar...
Did they come together to support each other? Or to vent their grievances without resolution?
So accurate Sam 🎯 thankyou for this
Thank you for clarifying 🤗
The 5’o clock news is prolly what happens.
Thank you so much Professor ❤
Just wanted to ask this. Thank you for reading my mind 😅
Man .. Oprah really got this ball rolling with the competitive victimhood narrative. Now being some kind of victim is almost an essential feature of any competition. (Think American Idol, etc.). I don’t think Oprah did this consciously but she did recognize a winning formula when she stumbled on to it .. 🤔🤨
I also would like to know what happens if 2 psychopaths
Meet, respectively form an intimate relationship.
My stalker and I: 2 covert narcs.
Drama and verbal ubuse from both sides.
What about two psychopaths?
If this video applies to psychopaths too, then that's that. But I don't want to assume.
Check the video prior about narcissists meeting each other.
Well this explains my ex parents
Excellent video Sam
What happens when a borderline meets the others representatives of cluster B ? Does the borderline use all as an external source of regulation or only the primary psychopath can escape ?
Thanks.
Hiss hiss 🐍
My covert ex tried to triangulate me with his new covert gf. I was having no part of that. I moved out of state. Now trying to keep my adult children out of the triangulation without being able to say something bluntly is like a full time job.
Can’t wait until one of them discards. Seems to take longer with two narcs though. Yikes! 🤦🏻♀️
Interesting.
Sam will they ever trade places ? If two coverts are together and one cheats or does something that is a blow to the other’s ego, could the roles switch? Would the submissive covert become the dominate one to get revenge ?
I do the same behavior as you described for covert. Does it makes me a narcissist?
I believe for me its a form of seeking validation cause it feels real when others validate my experience cause after being so much gaslighted & invalidated by narcissist, I've no trust in myself, I'm always doubting myself whether it's abuse or not or am I making it up. So when others validate & sympathise with my experience, it makes me feel like a real victim, so that I can show compassion for myself & not feel like undeserving of it (believing I'm making up lies to be a victim).
I understand being a victim is no solution & maybe it irritates others. But it's more like a cry for help, that someone would listen to me & show me empathy (which I never got nor I feel deserving of ) or provide me some clarity & solution cause I believe others more than myself and self-gaslight .
I don't know how much time it would take me to stop being a victim. If I'm being honest it does give me some kind of superiority boost, righteous
feeling I'm better than the narcissist, who always made me feel like criminal.
But being a victim does feel empowering, it makes me feel I deserve to stand up for myself. Actually believing in me being a victim helped me to stand up against Narcissist bully, I felt justified in standing up for myself cause otherwise I'll feel shame & guilt for standing up for myself.
Even this comment is filled with my victimness. I feel like otherwise no one would believe me. Cause Unlike narcissists I'm not so confident in blaming others who's good & who's bad.
But being a victim makes me feel understood & deserving to be cared (a form of love).
Seek therapy.
@@charingcross7945 in my country there's no such kind of therapy
@@charingcross7945 My country doesn't have such therapy
Yes.
Read your words- me me me.
@@candicesalter3926 yes I know I've victim mentality & people don't like it. But for now I'm like that
I don't think I've harmed you in any way. I've just expressed myself.
If you can provide me any solution, I'm open to it. Otherwise keep your repulsion it to yourself