R Groves & Sons Backsaw Refurbish

I got this great little 12-inch backsaw/tenon saw in a groups of saws, that were $5 each. Most of the other saws were hand saws; and there was also a frame saw and a Disston pruning saw. This saw was in great shape, with only a tiny chip from one of the horns, and some surface rust on the plate and the hard back, which made it a great candidate for refurbishing.
Groves took on the name Groves and Sons around 1822, and started using the ESE medallion around 1825. Split nuts started to fall out of favor around 1875, so I think the saw falls into that era, roughly 150 to 200 years ago.
This saw is 12-inch with 2 3/4-inches still under the back, filed at 12 PPI for rip.

[@chriswilliams5498]

I have got one of these that has been handed down to me by my father. He had it handed down to him by his father. My one has a solid brass blade retainer. Its in rough condition and I'm about to restore it . I'm dying to know exactly how old it is.

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks Chris, that must be a nice saw. I'm not aware of a comprehensive website reference for R Groves & Sons, but according to one site, the & Sons may have come after 1822, but that still gives you a really wide area where your saw may have been made, even if you can ballpark when you grandfather may have acquired it. If anyone else know of a resource that may have more information on Richard Groves and Sons, our of Sheffield, England, please let us know! Thanks for commenting Chris, and good luck with your restoration!

[@Piratecapt8383]

I love Groves and Sons Totes Beautiful

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks Mike! This was a great find, and it cuts like a dream. Its my go to.

[@GenuinoHm-ou5ti]

Excelente video !.. una pregunta ¿ Que herramienta utiliza por rectificar la hoja ?. En ese proceso me quedo la duda como alinear. He aprendido mucho de usted.

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thank you GH. I use sandpaper (by hand ) to remove rust, after I soak the blade in rust remover. The teeth are sharpened with small triangular files. Sorry, I have no Spanish!

[@daveb7999]

Nice restoration, it's a saw worth bringing back to life. Thank you for the video.

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks DB, I was excited to find this saw in a lot of old saws. Its my go-to saw now for small work.

[@donetengenharia6927]

Really good job you had done, but it’s impossible to read your subtitles, please change the color of the letter.
Congratulations.

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks DE, you aren't the first one to say that! I will be doing my text differently in future videos. Thanks for watching and for letting me know how I can do better! -Philo

[@nickmastro9287]

Very nice job! Why do you use raw linseed oil rather than BLO?

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

I get that question a lot. Boiled linseed oil isn't boiled anymore, they just add driers, usually metallic driers, along with solvents and in some cases other oils. I see folks putting this on with their bare hands, its more like a paint. The raw linseed oil takes longer to dry, so I think it penetrates the wood better before it sets up. Its still under-cured when I add the first coat of shellac, which mixes with it a little to form a varnish, which I think gives a better bond for the finish. That in combination with a little paste wax means its easy to rub it back in a few years and maintain it. Thanks NM!

[@philipchandler330]

Learned a lot from your expertise Thanks so much!!

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks PC. This was a fun one, and I learned some things too! Glad it was helpful.

[@GT_Racer347]

Love it 👌 😍

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks GT. Its a nice little saw.

[@stevekelley1179]

Nice job 👏

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks Steve!

[@dalmircuel1834]

muito demorado

[@moonlightsnowfall6734]

Thanks DC, I looked at the video again, and it is a little long. I've been trying to find ways to cut down my video times.