We just had a 38 person tournament in SoCal, I was running rod with hex, and rod with ball was also very prevalent, what I noticed from the event and doing some testing with a friend is that ball beats hex on pure stamina, but hex has more offensive and counterattack, so it just came down to play style and the type of matchup you’re up against
While hex does help with burst resistance i think using wizard rod on more stamina oriented bits could help it outlast the hex combos even if its at risk of bursting to attack combos 🤔👍🔥
My question is whats the hate on disk ball? (In general not solely aimed at Nizuma) I've seen every version of WR but not a lot of love being shown to DB
It seems like the general consensus is that DB is too burst prone. I’ve had that experience with it personally but in tournament I saw a lot of people use it with hell scythe on 9-60 to try to mitigate that. The combo is in no way a rod counter but does very well against unicorn and other defense / stamina builds.
@@DARELMO hell scythe on db has a good win rate against wizard rod on hex(close to 60-65 percent). It only struggles against wizard rod combos using orb, ball and disc ball
@@robinsulit9855 not really scythe just has to much recoil which damages the stamina because of the amount of energy scythe spends with the heavy recoil so therefore your stamina is damaged with scythe only use 4-60 3-80 5-60 and 9-80 works well with scythe qs far as bits taper high Taper low flat ,flat and ball amd maybe hexa depends on your combo
I got a more interesting combo,WR 9-60 N. I had tested this in a local community event and even outspins those 2 combos. Tho it may very prone to be over finished
Its weird your rod ball did so badly against rod hex. In my own testing I found that ball was better for the mirror against rod on hex, but dropped in win rate (though still more wins than losses) against other meta builds.
test a wizard rod 5-60 on disc ball vs a wizard hexa combo next, please, I know DB is worse than B agaisnt attack combos but I currious if it will outspin the hexa combo and DB is still a viable bit even with low burst resistance..
@@nizumablader do you recon it has longer spin on disc ball or hexa ? Im really thinking about the hexa like if it makes it burst resitant and does nothing to its spin longevity then its just all pros no cons , sorry juat thought id ask your opinion on this as im quite new to the blading community and have no one else blading around me etc.
@@themachine7534 maybe marginally worse than ball for stamina. It’s hard to say, I’ve seen Rod on hexa beat Rod on ball and the other way around. It’s super close.
@@Penguen007 disc ball is much more passive, has more stamina( for some unknown reason) and is much more stable, it is the best pure stamina bit in the game right now
Wizard Rod, hellshammer, and phoenix wing. Depending on which combo you want or both. There are some other bosses you can get that have 9-60. The last random booster also had a green wizard rod that comes on hexa so if that’s cheaper you can go that route.
I think Shark Edge or Hellshammer or the upper attackers in general on an angled launch or taper might be good for bursting [?] Wizard Rod, but it's still by far the best defense and stamina blade atm. And Hex is just a solid bit, like Point, so.
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We just had a 38 person tournament in SoCal, I was running rod with hex, and rod with ball was also very prevalent, what I noticed from the event and doing some testing with a friend is that ball beats hex on pure stamina, but hex has more offensive and counterattack, so it just came down to play style and the type of matchup you’re up against
Yea well try tyranno on 9-60 gf or tyranno on 5-60 on low flat
Got a training arc going with Bust 5-60 LF to knock out the invading WR combos 😤😤
My vote is for Hexa. But if the testing method is actually battling two WizardRods, then Ball will probably win :D
Can you do a vid on hells chain 9-60 (or 5-60) ball against wizard rod 9-60 ball
While hex does help with burst resistance i think using wizard rod on more stamina oriented bits could help it outlast the hex combos even if its at risk of bursting to attack combos 🤔👍🔥
like ball? bro did you saw the video?
Thx since I don't have another WR so this will really help decide which is better. I have been waiting for someone to do this!
Happy to help
My question is whats the hate on disk ball? (In general not solely aimed at Nizuma) I've seen every version of WR but not a lot of love being shown to DB
It seems like the general consensus is that DB is too burst prone. I’ve had that experience with it personally but in tournament I saw a lot of people use it with hell scythe on 9-60 to try to mitigate that. The combo is in no way a rod counter but does very well against unicorn and other defense / stamina builds.
@@DARELMO hell scythe on db has a good win rate against wizard rod on hex(close to 60-65 percent). It only struggles against wizard rod combos using orb, ball and disc ball
That makes sense, it falls in line with the hex vs ball debate
The issue is it’s tall and it’s super burst prone. It’s not bad it’s just higher risk for bursting.
Honestly vipertail 3-80 db is a cool combo also hammer 1-60 db is kool too
Do you think it would work with Hellscythe?
@@robinsulit9855 not really scythe just has to much recoil which damages the stamina because of the amount of energy scythe spends with the heavy recoil so therefore your stamina is damaged with scythe only use 4-60 3-80 5-60 and 9-80 works well with scythe qs far as bits taper high Taper low flat ,flat and ball amd maybe hexa depends on your combo
I got a more interesting combo,WR 9-60 N. I had tested this in a local community event and even outspins those 2 combos. Tho it may very prone to be over finished
always wondered which tip was better for WR bc I want to go to my first event this year :)) looks like I’ll have to buy HH to get hex 😭
Its weird your rod ball did so badly against rod hex. In my own testing I found that ball was better for the mirror against rod on hex, but dropped in win rate (though still more wins than losses) against other meta builds.
Tried stock WR DB against Hex and it turned out that ball out spins hex. I think you need a semi aggresive launch on WR hex
WR + Hex bit is the way to go. It's a tank
For sure
Have you tested WR 5-60 H vs WR 5-70 H?
test a wizard rod 5-60 on disc ball vs a wizard hexa combo next, please, I know DB is worse than B agaisnt attack combos but I currious if it will outspin the hexa combo and DB is still a viable bit even with low burst resistance..
Db will outspin Hexa just whether or not you want to risk the higher burst chance.
Hey Nizuma could you try ViperTail 5-60 H?
Burst is wizard rods only flaw , put a hexa on it and its virtually unbeatable or like a 1/20 situation defeat.
I don’t think it’s 1/20 but as a defensive option it definitely helps with hexa.
@@nizumablader do you recon it has longer spin on disc ball or hexa ? Im really thinking about the hexa like if it makes it burst resitant and does nothing to its spin longevity then its just all pros no cons , sorry juat thought id ask your opinion on this as im quite new to the blading community and have no one else blading around me etc.
@@themachine7534 maybe marginally worse than ball for stamina. It’s hard to say, I’ve seen Rod on hexa beat Rod on ball and the other way around. It’s super close.
@@nizumablader thank you i really appreciate the tips. Let it rip brother.
Quick question: is 5-60 better than 9-60 on Rod?
@@AdamCartel depends on the build, for pure stamina 9-60, if your running as a defense build on hexa I’d do 5-60 or 5-70
What about 7-60
I would say optimal bit for rod is hex while the optimal disc for hellscythe is disc ball. I dont see why reason to use ball over hex or disc ball.
I would agree
Yeah if anything the bit choices for WR should be hex, disk ball, or rush. I personally wouldn't ever consider ball because disk ball is just better
Disk Ball doesn't give you as much control over the trajectory of your Bey. Ball is better if you want "ball behavior"
@@Penguen007 disc ball is much more passive, has more stamina( for some unknown reason) and is much more stable, it is the best pure stamina bit in the game right now
When Hasbro releases I'd go with Hells Scythe 9-80B, Wizard Rod 5-70H and Tusk Mammoth 5-80DB
WR 5-60 on Orb, this picks up more stamina and less KO.
why does nobody use discball on it?
It bursts really easily
Is it because of the bit or the height due to 5.70?
@@EVOL-Hobby the bit bursts really easy. 5-70 is fine
I have seen that combo ball in japan. Lot I wonder why🤔
Which Beys I need to get those combos?
Wizard Rod, hellshammer, and phoenix wing. Depending on which combo you want or both. There are some other bosses you can get that have 9-60. The last random booster also had a green wizard rod that comes on hexa so if that’s cheaper you can go that route.
I think Shark Edge or Hellshammer or the upper attackers in general on an angled launch or taper might be good for bursting [?] Wizard Rod, but it's still by far the best defense and stamina blade atm. And Hex is just a solid bit, like Point, so.
Ball loses completely against something like rush and hex beats rush, I think hex overall does better
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Rod, hex and 1-60😊😊
WR 460H better WD460B too ?
I wouldn’t run 4-60 over 9-60 or 5-60
What about 5-80HN?
Hexa is better than needle and high needle, no reason to run it on height it already outspins everything.
@@nizumablader but it's probably better than ball
@@fencer0Z I wouldn’t use it, not personally a big fan of needle or high needle.
hex bit is meta rn
Correct
Thats surprising, in my testing of hex v ball mirror matches ball came out on top
That’s what I keep hearing but I can’t get ball to outspin It
From my testing, wizard ball beats hex but hex beats nearly every other build
That’s what I’ve heard but I just can’t get ball to win against it lol